Thread: meditating to enter AP/LD

Hey rebbit, these are all very very very common hypnagogic hallucinations that people experience, especially during WILD attempts and that are often associated and experienced with sleep paralysis. Sounds like you're figuring out how to wild

The blobbies that you see, on the other hand, sound like they are simply phosphenes

could you please share your meditation technique? Im very interested .

Thanks

Well bushi, before I answer your question, I would just like to add one more point. Forgot to add that when I experience this light experience, I usually "zone in" and "wake up". Mostly because I either get too excited or scared.

Anywho bushi, back to your question.

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Now remeber, by NO MEANS am I a master, expert, or even novice in this field, Meditation, for me, was a way to get high, but naturally. So if this has, or is to, in any way, shape or form, take a negative effect on you, then I by no means take responsibility.

1. If you can, find yourself some ear muffs/ear plugs.

2. Lay down on your bed either on your right side or your back.

3. Try to become relaxed, tense up all the muscle in your body, hold, and release.

4. Also, try and clear up all your thoughts, it is better to think about things now, than to have them pop up during meditation.

5. I have a problem with my eye lids twitching, so sometimes I will wear one of those eye cover things that you wear to sleep, or just close your eyes up realllly tight, move your eye balls from left to right a couple times, and relax.

5.5 sometimes you dont want to be comfortable, like, dont wear a blanket, keep yourself cold, or just sit up.

6. Now you are ready to begin.

7. Once you are all good and relaxed, begin by finding a good focus point, something that you will focus on during meditation to attain awarness. You can either focus on your third eye (between your eye brows), focus on the tip of your nose, focus on one thought, focus on a repeating phrase, focus on right ontop of your navel, focus on the air your are breathing in and out as if it was yellow energy, OR just think of nothing.

8. This is kinda hard to explain, but instead of breathing in through the begining of your nose, you have to breath in through the opening inside your nose under your nasal cavity. The best way I can explain where this is, is by trying to make a fake snore, and where that snore sound is created, is where you need to breath though. It will have a more hollow sound than breathing in through the tip of your nose like you are smelling something.
(maybe this is just a problem for me)

8. When breathing out you want your tounge touching the roof of your mouth, and have your lips pursed. (none of this is critical, but its what I do)

9. Also in the begining (this is not the regular meditation breathing sequence, this is just to prepare you and your body, look at number 10 real quick so see what I mean as to what the regular cycle of breathing is) , you can breathe in for 8, inhaling for your whole lungs, hold for 4 seconds, breath out for 8, and hold for 4 seconds. This is mostly to get your body relaxed and clear up your lungs. Just breath in and exhale to the extreme, push your lungs as far as possible. If you can breath in/exhale/hold for longer (like 10,5,10,5), then do it. Usually once I finish a starting set (8,4,8,4), I will mentally tell my self "relax" in a very smooth way that is, well, relaxing. I will do these long begining sets maybe 2,4, or 6 times until I get into regular breathing.

10. Now relax, focus, breathe in, hold, breathe out, hold. Now you can do this 4 seconds, hold for 2, 4 seconds, and hold for two. One thousand one, one thousand two... after a bit, your body will get in the natural rhythm and you wont have to count. Oh yeah and when you are breathing in, you only want to breath in with your stomach expanding which will indicate that you are only inhaling into the bottom of your lungs (which is what you want)*, if you feel your chest expanding, you are breathing in too far/deep into the top of your lungs.

11. Okay wow, sooooo ya. I will just try and sum all this up for you.
-earplugs/muffs, eye covers/eye squinge

-relaxed body, but dont be comfortable or you will go to sleep

-clear thoughts

-find focus point

-breath in through nose (but not tip like you are smelling), out through pursed lip and roofed tounge

- Do inital breathing set and self-relaxsurrance if you want of 8,4,8,4

- Carry on to normal breathing set of 4,2,4,2 with belly expanding, not the chest.

- Now do this for an hour, and bam, you are meditating.


Okay there is one thing I would like to touch up on which will lead me to another sub-method in meditating.

You will have wondering thoughts, and the best thing is, when you catch yourself, just go back to focusing on your focus point and continue meditation, dont even worry about it.

and/or

you can imagine yourself laying on a lillie ontop of a pond, and every thought that comes up, just imagine it as a bubble floating up from the pond, and bursting in the air. Like if you think about your school or work, then have a bubble with word school in it, float up into the air, and burst.

or

Just tell yourself, I dont want to think about these thoughts anymore, everytime one comes up. Or maybe do both! The pond and telling yourself you dont want to hear these thoughts anymore.


Okay now, that is the jist of it.

P.S. My apologies for the spelling and grammical errors, and feel free to ask any questions your mind and conjure up.

P.S.S. Comments and constructive critisisims are more than welcomed and appreciated.

P.S.S.S. Thanks for the response shift, I will definatly look more into that!

Thank you.

From your description, it sounds like you are successful in entering the trance state. This is the final goal for many types of meditations, and an amazing mental state in its own right. Many religions are based on reaching this state of mind, so congratulations on unlocking something so powerful.

Lucid dreamers (and APers) take it one step further, and enter a dream from this state. As Shift already said, you are in a hypnagogic state, right on the border of sleep. The final step of entering a dream can be the most difficult for some people, or very easy and natural for others.

It seems everyone has their own little tricks to enter the dream, just as everyone has their own tricks for meditating. Check out Clairity's guide for a good description of some things to try:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...415#post746415
You also want to be sure to do this meditaton after a few hours of sleep, so you will transfer right into a REM dream.


If you want more information from a lucid dreaming perspective, read around about Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming (WILD), Sleep Paralysis (SP), or Hypnagogia (HI). The vibrations, visuals, sounds, and body distortions are all commonly reported.

It is amazing to see how the experience is so similar no matter how you approach it. Out of Body Experiences, deep trance meditations, or Wake Initiated Lucid dreaming. It is great to be human