um...... uh............ what uh was that?
I have no idea, other than yet another plug for saltcube. Seriously...who pays 35 bucks to use a forum, especially one that contains information that is freely available? And yeah...all this mumbo jumbo about beaches and mandalas belongs in BD.
If I'm reading this right, she's trying to connect internet hacking tools to...an in-dream coincidence?
Ok, so I just found this thread, and one of the key things I've been using apparently is actually from this guy on youtube, despite the fact that I read it here on dreamviews. And that is the idea that the mind and body are seperate and that the body tries to see if the mind is awake or not. I have used this technique to successfully complete a WILD before, but since it hasn't happened again, I've been wondering if it was just luck. So maybe it was. My question then is how do you enter sleep paralysis and how awake are you supposed to keep your mind. I always adjust my consciousness to get lower if I feel I'll never get relaxed enouygh for my body to sleep, but I just end up falling asleep. Help would be appreciated. And thanks for the warning, it's very important imho.
It was most likely placebo dude :(
I like Nick's free YouTube 101 cos it is all about "relaxation". Lobsang Rampa said that Astral Projection is all about complete relaxation and right intentions.
Due to nerve damage some of my muscles are extremely tight and tense 24/7. They ache 24/7. If I don't take pain meds at bedtime I wake 3 or more times in 8 hours in pain.
Two days ago I bought a new gadget and hope to come of my pain meds, permanently. Then I hope to get into Nick' s Free 101 and post any results.
Help!
3 folk have sent something to my DV profile. It just says "tick this box" if you want Him/Her/it as a friend or contact?
What will happen if I tick the box?
Will I be notified every time said friend or contact posts any where on DV.
Or what?
Well I'm not most people, Raspberry.
So
For now i'm not clicking no boxes. Yes, I want you 3 guys as friends but I don't know what the Dream Views definition of friends is, yet.
And
Jeff777
If you want Fun, then, gaze into my avatar before you have a nap, then make a note of anything peculiar that pops up in your dream. Then see if it correlates to what I post in my "Synchronicity Game thread" in the Beyond Dreaming forum.
I'll post in just over 24 hours from now.
You don't have to post if you don't want to. Just give it a go for fun.
I probably won't be chatting to participants anyway cos I don't want to be flamed or slammed. I think the best way to side step all that is to stay silent and just post a Target once a week and let participants discover for themselves.
Umm... Ok. I was trying to help, and I just said that that's what the majority of people do. It's not like I pushed your buttons. DV friends don't really do anything except show up on your profile. Don't worry, your internet reputation remains intact.
Also, I think you should keep to to main topic of the thread, instead of posting questions here that have nothing to do with it. I noticed you doing this on other threads too. If you have a question, make a thread or pm someone (a mod perhaps?) please.
Cheers
I think there is some over-reaction to Nick's methods for LD/OBE induction techniques, as I found much of his information is accurate and helpful. I'll give some personal testimonials based on my 10+ years of practicing lucid dreaming:
Spoiler for Rhythmic napping:
Spoiler for Using Sleep paralysis to enter LDs:
Spoiler for The urge to move:
Spoiler for Hypnogogic Hallucinations:
Spoiler for Other aspects I found accurate and helpful:
Sure, none of this stuff is really "new". However I personally had to gather and piece-together little nuggets of good information (over several years of studying) and Nick did this for you in his "How to OBE" 2-part video. For me, it simply reinforced what I had already come to know was accurate, while giving a different perspective on the basic ideas. And yes, while some of the graphs did seem superfluous, I found many of them to be helpful. I am an artist, and being as such, I am a very visual learner. If I can correlate what I am being taught with a visual reference of some sort, usually that information will make more sense to me.
Nick may not be best graph maker, or may not know enough about learning theory to use visual references in the most effective ways. I don't necessarily think he was using graphs to con people, but rather just to reinforce the ideas he was speaking about. And so what if he charges money for his product. I can testify that it can be hard and time consuming to research, discuss, and test all of the various LDing stuff out there -- to weed out the stuff that doesn't seem to work and be left with a nice, comprehensive understanding on how to have LDs. I don't see anything wrong with Nick asking for compensation for the time and effort it takes. And if you don't think so, no one if forcing you to buy his videos...just like no one is forcing you to buy the crap off infomercials. Like you all have been saying, the same info can be found on the internet for free...so instead of paying Nick to research and assemble the info for you, do it yourself and save some $$.
But most of all, put on your big-boy underwear and stop whining. If you don't like his stuff, that's perfectly fine. Move on already. All this talk about taking down his website and etc is despicable...
I wish I had big boy underwear. But unfortunately my short girl boxers tend to have stuff like "I <3 Girl Pants" or "I'm with the band" or "GO BANANA'S!" on them.
If anyone knows where to find big boy underwear, let me know :shadewink:
Welp, wouldn't be the first time. :shadewink:
Nevertheless, though to me it's obvious his assertions are not "super-scientific", I don't think that justifies the way he is being villainized. Like others have said in this topic, he just seems like someone who knows of a method that works for him, as well as many other people, and is inferring what he feels is a plausible explanation for why those methods work. We all make inferences, and 99% of us do not take the time to sit down and research the science behind every inference we make to see if we are right. So what if he's wrong regarding the details of why his method works? Big freakin deal. I don't see why everyone is so butt-hurt over it.
I get why people don't like salesmen, I understand some of the points made about the graphs, and though I don't really see it myself, I can understand why an attitude of "only I am right and all others are wrong" would be irritating. But honestly, what I think is really pissing people off is that, despite him not being the most lovable or knowledgeable person in the LD community, he has become very successful selling a method that, for all intensive purposes, is PROVEN (even if he doesn't fully understand how it works).
How easy is it to hate someone like that -- someone who only seems to half-know what he's talking about, but has been that successful?
To me, I'm not bothered by salesmanship. I don't care for it, but I am not bothered by it. I do not have a problem with someone trying to infer explanations that fit their experiences either. I take things with a grain of salt, keep what I like and discard the rest. No point in getting all frazzled about it. After reading some on the comments on this thread, and the mob-like mentality of it all...it's sort of disappointing.
But thats you and the other posters are others!
That, and you are doing exactly the same as the people here. Getting all frazzled about something irrelevant, like someone not liking someone else, considering your big-boy part-of-a-post before, that is. Oh and btw, SE clearly stated that he didn't want the mis-information to spread, so he wasn't angry at the dude being sucessful, but at lying while being, whether he was doing it on purpose or not.
This website is open to (and encourages) opposing viewpoints. In the on-topic forums, members are certainly more than welcome to voice their opinions pertaining to subjects and/or people surrounding lucid dreaming. I don't condone talk of attacking anyone's property, but if you don't like the anti-newport conversations going on in here, perhaps it is you who should "move on already."
I wouldn't say I'm getting frazzled, but I see your point. Of course, now you find yourself in my position...being liable for accusations of "frazzlery" simply for pointing out the act in others. :banana:
I'd say that lying implies he is intentionally misleading people, but I haven't yet read a good argument justifying that claim. If anything, he is just wrong about why his method works, despite the fact that it does work. I'd say there is just as good of a chance, or more so, that Nick believes what he is teaching is true. If that is the case, then at worst he is just misguided...not necessarily a charlatan.
That doesn't sound like someone who is "encouraging" my opposing point of view. Nevertheless, this marks my third response in a 15-page discussion -- the "moving on comment" might be a little premature when applied to myself, but to others, not so much. Aside from some of the interesting biology posted by the OP, I hardly see this discussion amounting to much more than youthful angst and the accompanying desire to stand against something, anything.
But I digress