Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Hi Alric

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Originally Posted by Alric

Aside from the few silly things he does talk about though, I would suspect most of the stuff should work to some degree or other. Since it is basically the same stuff here on the forums, I don't see any controversy on the basic stuff he is saying. Each person is different so if someone understands it better by looking at videos then they should go for it.

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“It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it.” Carl Jung

I found this quote by Carl Jung on Bobbie Ann Pimm's site, January 5th, 2011, under Carl Jung, QuotesTags: Jung, Quotes

It is true for me, I think.

Nothing seems to work for me, lucid dreaming wise. I think there are different "spiecie's" of dreamers.

You "lucid dreaming" spiecies make so much noise as to make folk like me feel that your way of dreaming is the best way and the rest of "us" who can't do it, are just "dumb losers".

Nothing-much happens for me until folks start focusing-together on one thing. But when that starts happening ... WOW ... I start noticing both dream and waking-life coincidences (synchronizities).

I noticed this at first, on Nick's Saltcube site. When Nick Newport was known as Matt Jones, back in 2005 he helped run 35 consecutive Remote Viewing targets. These were physical objects that he put in a cardboard box and saltcubers aimed at getting lucid or else go OBE and visit the box to pick-up impression of the object in the box.

I wasnt on line back then. I didn't come on line until Saturday 1st of March 2008.

After Nick's 35, EyeOneBlack ran 47 consecutive Remote Viewing Labs. He put his physical objects in a drawing of a six pointed star.

A friend gave me the link to saltcube on the 27th of July 2008 after I complained to her that I was miserable, cos our Psi-Dreams yahoogroups site had gone dead.

Eye was on his 30th Target.

It was amazing to watch as participants dreamed each others dreams as they tried to focus on "What's in EyeOneBlack's Star.

That was real off-the-scale stuff.

And, sadly, it's the only stuff that works for me.

I find trying to LD and OBE lonely and boring.

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Originally Posted by debrajane

Hi Alric



“It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it.” Carl Jung

I found this quote by Carl Jung on Bobbie Ann Pimm's site, January 5th, 2011, under Carl Jung, QuotesTags: Jung, Quotes

It is true for me, I think.

Nothing seems to work for me, lucid dreaming wise. I think there are different "spiecie's" of dreamers.

You "lucid dreaming" spiecies make so much noise as to make folk like me feel that your way of dreaming is the best way and the rest of "us" who can't do it, are just "dumb losers".

Nothing-much happens for me until folks start focusing-together on one thing. But when that starts happening ... WOW ... I start noticing both dream and waking-life coincidences (synchronizities).

I noticed this at first, on Nick's Saltcube site. When Nick Newport was known as Matt Jones, back in 2005 he helped run 35 consecutive Remote Viewing targets. These were physical objects that he put in a cardboard box and saltcubers aimed at getting lucid or else go OBE and visit the box to pick-up impression of the object in the box.

I wasnt on line back then. I didn't come on line until Saturday 1st of March 2008.

After Nick's 35, EyeOneBlack ran 47 consecutive Remote Viewing Labs. He put his physical objects in a drawing of a six pointed star.

A friend gave me the link to saltcube on the 27th of July 2008 after I complained to her that I was miserable, cos our Psi-Dreams yahoogroups site had gone dead.

Eye was on his 30th Target.

It was amazing to watch as participants dreamed each others dreams as they tried to focus on "What's in EyeOneBlack's Star.

That was real off-the-scale stuff.

And, sadly, it's the only stuff that works for me.

I find trying to LD and OBE lonely and boring.

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..What?

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

The bizarre thing is that you're talking about me as if I'm not here, and yet I'm obviously going to read this thread. Am I really so mean and argumentative? Did I hurt your feelings? :(

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I don't think you're mean. Just honest and blunt. Hahaha.

Jeff, I agree with you on both posts.

DebraJane, I don't mean to offend you, but I don't understand half the things you go on about in your posts.

Jeff and Raspberry

I don't want to just endlessly talk, (argue and theorize). What we think is true today, about dreaming, will seem quaint and will ne giggled at, 100 years from now.

Folks everywhere (in my opinion) seem reluctant too ...

Well I don't even know what to call it. Honestly, I don't think there are words or concepts or even metaphors for it YET.

BUT

IT happens and IT is common.

But without the words to share IT, it stays practically invisible.

IT is what happens when folk gently focus on something SIMPLE with a giggley, happy, excitement as they drop-off to sleep.

The light-hearted, fun and friendly attitude is essential, for this to work, as the participants drop-off to sleep. (in my opinion).

I only got the first two installments of the amazing 103. I begged Nick not to send me any more 103 cos I don't want to just think, think, think about it or JUST talk, talk, talk about it (103).

I want to do the first two installments of 103.

Every time some one starts sharing with me I end up going to sleep with that gentle and light-hearted focus and connecting in dream-space with the one who talked on line with me.

So

I set up the Mandala and the beach between the Henley Beach Jetty and the Grange Beach Jetty, NEAR WHERE I LIVE.

I did this cos I am sure the "hooking-up" with real-life people, on the net, IN DREAMS, really, really happens.

It can be verified.

That is what the Mandala and the beach is ALL ABOUT.

VERIFICATION.

I love how this thread just turned into a fun house. It used to be about Newports stuff but now its about potatoes and other stuff.

I have watches his videos and I kinda liked them. I don't like how he is trying to sell his lucid dream stuff but his videos aren't that bad.

Thanx iFatal for your quick reply.

I have four log-ins at Nick saltcube, (ultravioletfrog, Hermit, RVevstasy and finally just DebraJane,my real name. A few days ago I went to open a fifth cos my other 4 image galleries have tooooo many photos in them.

When I went to open a new log-ins, called,mdrv (mutual dreamimg remote viewer), I got the message to purchase 102 and log-ins.

Well, I thought, since I really, really want a fresh photo gallery for my new thread called, "New Synchronicity Game" $35 seems a fair price, and I could always use a second 102. So I paid and opened my very important thread as mdrv.

Now I've forgotten my password for mdrv (ha!).


Anyway

101 is free

And

102 is blinking dirt cheap, $35.

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Originally Posted by iFatal

I love how this thread just turned into a fun house. It used to be about Newports stuff but now its about potatoes and other stuff.

I have watches his videos and I kinda liked them. I don't like how he is trying to sell his lucid dream stuff but his videos aren't that bad.

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Has anyone here looked at the lucidology 102?

If so then what is your review.

Let me state this again. $35 for a heap of information that is already freely available and on this very site. $35 for basic lucid dreaming tutorials.

What utter tripe.

Newport must love people like you...what would he do without ya.

It's not like i'm going to actually buy his stuff I just wanted to see some of the reviews people gave it. Even if they were good I still wouldn't buy his lucidology 102. I already know everything he teaches in his videos.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

What a sucker. Newport must love people like you...what would he do without ya.

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Aquanina

Just for the record.

The above

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Harsh and Discouraging

And

Yes

It did, "Hurt my feelings"

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Originally Posted by debrajane

Aquanina

Just for the record.

The above

is

Harsh and Discouraging

And

Yes

It did, "Hurt my feelings"

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1. Welcome to the internet. We aren't always perfectly prim and proper here. And we aren't gonna change that.
2. Reading through this made me want to gouge my eyes out.

Mario92

Actually, Mario92, that was between Aqunina and me, so please don't hurt your self on our account.

It hurt my feelings too

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Originally Posted by Mario92

Let me state this again. $35 for a heap of information that is already freely available and on this very site. $35 for basic lucid dreaming tutorials.

What utter tripe.

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That is utter tripe.

Where on this board is there directions for the shifted blackboard technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the computer menu visualisation technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the memory impression stabilisation technique?

Where on this board is the technique for quick switch OBE's?

Four years of research and practice went into honeing those techniques and $35 is extremely good value for money for them.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

That is utter tripe.

Where on this board is there directions for the shifted blackboard technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the computer menu visualisation technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the memory impression stabilisation technique?

Where on this board is the technique for quick switch OBE's?

Four years of research and practice went into honeing those techniques and $35 is extremely good value for money for them.

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You know, these certainly sound like they're still funded on the same building blocks as all other methods, just with very specific spins. Can you show me that, say, visualizing a computer menu is any more effective than visualizing anything else, per either Naiya's visual MILD, or the V-WILD (both of which are available here)? Yes, there are hundreds of induction techniques. But no matter how many you know, it all comes down to hard work and effort. You will not find a magic bullet in this man's methods. I would like to point out that there are other free LD sites, and they also offer some specific tuts...like Caffeine Withdrawal. I know a couple people who use it and like it, but they were rather proficient lucid dreamers to begin with, and got there from hard work and effort. They also weren't afraid to experiment on their own. You need only look at the front page of this site to glimpse the hidden ingenuity in this community. People who have only had a few LD's coming up with new ways to fly or exercise other forms of dream control, or else taking the basic methods and refining them into something specific that works for them.

So if you think a few new induction techniques are gonna help, then by all means, go ahead and buy them. But it is my opinion that you're wasting your money.

Completely agree...I also think that a lot of induction methods work by a sort of placebo effect. Meaning that it is not so much the effectiveness of the method but your expectation that it is going to work. This has been the case for me many many times with many many induction techniques that I have tried. Almost EVEY technique works for me the first time I try it. Maybe even the first few times. Then it stops working...or at least becomes less effective, and I return to my more natural LDing methods. This has been going on with me for years. So I would never pay for a new induction technique, when I know that it's really all in my head whether or not something is going to work. The reason you have success with NN'ss methods is because you pay money, and you expect them to work, so they do. That might be enough for someone to want to buy his methods...but as Mario says, it all comes down to the same basic principles of LDing.

I responded to this thread awhile back defending the techniques but have since discovered that my limited success was most likely due to suggestion/placebo. Since then I have found it to be unreliable at best, inneffective at worst.

Nick Newport is smart, I'll give him that. He's hustling people into thinking that they need him and his material to successfully master the art of lucid dreaming. He's a modern day Bill Gates. Remember how Bill Gates (college Bill), hustled his way into Steve Jobs' pants by thoroughly convincing him that his programs were vulnerable without Microsoft's help?

And we all know what came out of that.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/sponso...rules_1999.jpg

Bill Gates took Steve Jobs' products, put a Microsoft tag on it and sold it to the public before Apple could.

Nick Newport/Matt Jones has taken freely offered information, rehashed it in his own terminology and sell it to people as complex systematic jargon proven to work for newbies.



Ethical? dubious. I don't disagree with it though. My major is business administration so I'm learning how to sweet talk money out of consumers pants like Newport is doing. Matt's found a way to reinvent himself under the guise of Nick "New"port and rehash a 2nd DVD that he pretty much sold for 20 bucks as Matt Jones years earlier which was just rehashed material that's being freely offered online.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but there's a http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Ok-HiuO1NFuP0w born every minute. And it's people like Bill Gates, Nick Newport and countless others who have sweet tooths that your money satisfies.

Oh I LOVE the way that was put! :shadewink:

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Completely agree...I also think that a lot of induction methods work by a sort of placebo effect. Meaning that it is not so much the effectiveness of the method but your expectation that it is going to work. This has been the case for me many many times with many many induction techniques that I have tried. Almost EVEY technique works for me the first time I try it. Maybe even the first few times. Then it stops working...or at least becomes less effective, and I return to my more natural LDing methods. This has been going on with me for years. So I would never pay for a new induction technique, when I know that it's really all in my head whether or not something is going to work. The reason you have success with NN'ss methods is because you pay money, and you expect them to work, so they do. That might be enough for someone to want to buy his methods...but as Mario says, it all comes down to the same basic principles of LDing.

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completely true!!!!!!!!! i bought EWLD and have had more lucids than ever because i bought it and i pretty much expect it to work so it will.

and mcwillis, let me ask you something.



does nicholas newport offer a book chalk full of information on OBEs and Lucid Dreaming for only $5? No

did nicholas newport go to stanford? i think not

did nicholas newport get a P.H.D in Psychophysiology? i think not


Call me stupid but i would much rather buy a book that is only $5 new and even cheaper used rather than pay $35 for techniques from a guy who has only had 4 years of experience

plus most of a la berge's methods are on DV FOR FREE!!! and nobody here is trying to get me to buy a bunch of videos for $35

now call me stupid but Nick just seems like a huge joke to me

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Originally Posted by debrajane

102 is blinking dirt cheap, $35.

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sorry but for some of us $35 is not something we can just go spend willy nilly

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Originally Posted by Sentaku

Ya, I use his flash timer thing to do some EILDing =P

That's about all I really get out of this guy.

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I don't know why but i can't watch these videos at all...

They feel so...so...pseudo-real...