Lucid Dreaming Takes Dedication

I dont know how many times ive come to the site to find many threads made by people stating that they've been trying to lucid dream for a couple weeks, or a couple months with no results and are on the brink of giving up entirely.

PEOPLE! Lucid dreaming takes time and dedication its not going to happen over night. in some cases it does but thats not the case for most people.

So im just here to tell you do not give up! All the time and hard work will pay off in the end. Just keep at it, I personally don't think it should even be a problem of how long it can take to master lucid dreaming considering in the end you can be the god of your own world! And who wouldn't want that!

A problem i think some of you have is your trying to hard. And I think that when you try to hard and get no results it it makes you frustrated and increases your chance of giving up. So I suggest you take a more laid back approach. All I do is keep my dream journal, do various reality checks throughout the day, and frequently visit Dream Views. When i wake up in the morning and didn't have a lucid dream i don't dwell on the fact that i didn't become lucid cause that could just discourage you, I don't even really think about the fact that i didn't become lucid, i just go about my day knowing that ill being going to sleep again at the end of the day and have another chance to become lucid. Every night is a new chance to become lucid!

So in the end im telling you not to give up! It will all be worth it in the end.

Good luck everybody and Happy dreaming!:cheers:

right on. personal evolution is a gradual process.

yeah people need encouragement, it does get tougher the more you "fail" but I never see it as failing, at least even when I dont LD I at least still have cooler dreams now

True that. I've heard of people trying without results for over a year but they kept at it and now they LD all the time. Like you said it pays off in the end.

Very true. Too often have I focused all my willpower on lucid dreaming for a day, had no results, and felt so compelled not too give up, but to not continue at such a pace.

I've been at it for nearly a year already, but I finally had a very amazing dream (still no full-lucids) about a month ago, and I know I'm definitely not giving up.

yeah i've been at it for for a while now with no sucess but my dreams are becoming more vivid so i think im almost there.:banana:

Everything you said is so true! I tottally agree with it, that being said:

after a while, if you have a small handfull of lucids, you can stop practically all work and still get some (you start to get to know your dream world, and will sometimes just know). You may not get as much, but if you've already had a few and your sick of the work, you can still count on becoming lucid every once in a while (I do practically nothing, and do get lots). Plus, even if you do NOTHING, coming on DV can get you thinking about dreaming and LD, and that could help as well. I realize that this is geared towards newbs, but newbs usually will eventually get a couple of lucids and reach this point.

Exactly! I have been trying for weeks with no success, but I am not giving up! People have told me the dedication that I have is un-believable. I take that as a great compliment and it helps me keep motivated.

Good luck to all!

Motivation + Dedication + Recall = Lucidity.

Yeah, I use to go through this, be in a dry spell for months and I always thought I could never lucid dream.

But how I broke my dry spell, I had confidence and I never gave up, because I knew it
would eventually come to me.

Man! You are so right. Applies in all areas of life actually.

Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost.
That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange.

In otherwords, you must put an equal ammount of work into lucid dream in order to aquire the results.

Spoiler for The law:

That law is fictional. Taken from a manga/anime :D

Thanks for all the great responses!

i think it should be mandatory for every noob to read this thread.

Deleted so people would stop thread-jacking!

:lol:, what your founding fathers (notice that they themselves never fought, save George Washington) did was sacrifice thousands of young men over a 2% tax. Great Britain protected and nurtured you, and you turned around and bit them as they were busy freeing the rest of Europe from oppression.

Good point, bad example.

Good example!

Are you British? No offense man, but Britain was not showing her colonies respect.

Britain did not protect the colonies, they enslaved the colonies. The colonists came over here, and shed sweat, blood, and tears to discover a land, and to nurture it, and to make it's people prosper.

And we were under the Britih crown! In other words, we helped Britain, and all she did was tighten her hold on us by taxing us, despite the fact that American colonists had no representation in parliament.

We would have backed off peacefully, but NO! Britain wouldn't have it!

She knew quite well what an amzing land North America was, and would not tolerate part of it leaving her grand empire.

Despite the fact that NOBODY in Britain had even aided them in the hard, vigirous labor that the colonists had endured, they still wanted to own us.

Those young men went to war gladly, FYI. Those were the days in which soldiers did not need to be bribed with free education, and hundreds of benefits. Nor did they need boot camp.

Most of the founding fathers were the brain, and the rest were the brawn. Together we wroked with a common goal in mind. We worked harder than America ever worked. Prayed harder then we ever prayed. Thought harder than we ever thought. Fought harder than we ever fought.

With hard work, endurance, and the hand of God, we did what most people considered impossible.

We defeated the British.

NOT a bad example.

Terrible example.

I'm not British, in fact, I'm from the land north of you which wasn't oppressed, didn't fight a pointless war and did not leave the Empire through violence.

Britain didn't help Americans colonize the land? Early colonists were British. Plus you're forgetting that 'American' is the name taken by the religious outcasts who through oppression, violence and disease wiped out the real Americans living there.

Case and point; the war was started to a large extent because of the Ohio Valley, a piece of fertile land that Britain had left to natives already living there. Settlers encroached on their land and began a war with the natives; when Britain didn't help the settlers, the ranks of would-be revolutionaries swelled.

I love how you seem to think America was this peaceful little edge of the world, just wanting to be left alone. Everyone in Britain pays taxes. You pay far more tax in modern America than colonists ever did! The British Empire was maintained through tax, and Australians, Canadians, Americans, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians and others all payed it. You only made a fuss over it when it meant that you didn't have free reign to expand into land pledged to Natives.

And about that Freedom? Why did the British army grant immediate freedom to black slaves fighting under them, while the Americans forced them to fight for months on end until they were entitled to the 'all are equal under God' rule?

So no, I don't attribute lucid dreaming to a power struggle between a few well educated men on either end of the spectrum where thousands of ignorant or desperate young men died. There should have been conflict, but it should not have been in the form of bloodshed and death. War is rape, starvation, cruelty, pain and terror with a government stamp. War is wrong, always wrong, and never glorious. War is horror.



(Although, it should be noted that both sides during the war showed incredible tenacity, bravery, intelligence and determination, all qualities that are great for lucid dreaming.)

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Terrible example.

I'm not British, in fact, I'm from the land north of you which wasn't oppressed, didn't fight a pointless war and did not leave the Empire through violence.

Britain didn't help Americans colonize the land? Early colonists were British. Plus you're forgetting that 'American' is the name taken by the religious outcasts who through oppression, violence and disease wiped out the real Americans living there.

Case and point; the war was started to a large extent because of the Ohio Valley, a piece of fertile land that Britain had left to natives already living there. Settlers encroached on their land and began a war with the natives; when Britain didn't help the settlers, the ranks of would-be revolutionaries swelled.

I love how you seem to think America was this peaceful little edge of the world, just wanting to be left alone. Everyone in Britain pays taxes. You pay far more tax in modern America than colonists ever did! The British Empire was maintained through tax, and Australians, Canadians, Americans, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians and others all payed it. You only made a fuss over it when it meant that you didn't have free reign to expand into land pledged to Natives.

And about that Freedom? Why did the British army grant immediate freedom to black slaves fighting under them, while the Americans forced them to fight for months on end until they were entitled to the 'all are equal under God' rule?

So no, I don't attribute lucid dreaming to a power struggle between a few well educated men on either end of the spectrum where thousands of ignorant or desperate young men died. There should have been conflict, but it should not have been in the form of bloodshed and death. War is rape, starvation, cruelty, pain and terror with a government stamp. War is wrong, always wrong, and never glorious. War is horror.



(Although, it should be noted that both sides during the war showed incredible tenacity, bravery, intelligence and determination, all qualities that are great for lucid dreaming.)

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Bravo!
Wondeful that some people take the time to understand history.
Great post!

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Ten points to etherial for the most historically accurate post.

I deeply suggest that we get back in the game before a certain nameless someone locks this thread.


Excellent concept!

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Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Ten points to etherial for the most historically accurate post.

I deeply suggest that we get back in the game before a certain nameless someone locks this thread.


Excellent concept!

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...so how bout them lucid dreams? hehe

Splendid! How was the weather in your last lucid? (DV small talk)

How about them Cubs?

Seriously, though, it was really great timing for me with this post! I was just really starting to feel discouraged and on the verge of giving up, which I've done before. This was the pep talk I needed!

Okay...don't give up...don't give up...don't give up.

Betcha I have a dream about not giving up :P

How did I end up learning about history on a lucid dreaming forum?! :P Wow guys way to go off topic, but thanks for the info anyway.

The OP was great though, all very true. I'm always telling people to keep trying, keep trying! It may take months or years but it's worth it!

Heh, sorry ;)

I think Lucid Dreaming should be prescribed medication. The elation it brings you the next day is inexplicable! You find yourself grinning throughout the day just at the idea of it. Definitely worth the time and effort.

To quote Churchill, "We shall [dream about] the beaches, we shall [dream about] the landing grounds, we shall [dream about] the fields and [sic] the streets, we shall [dream about] the hills; we shall never surrender!"

I like this thread. It would make good reading for anyone who is feeling unmotivated.

I'm relatively new and haven't got a lucid yet, but I think its all to do with your attitude. I look at Lucid Dreaming as more of a lifelong goal, I mean....I've got every night for the rest of my life to try and develop this skill. Therefore I'm walking on sunshine, whooa oh

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Bravo!
Wondeful that some people take the time to understand history.
Great post!

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Every countries history is questionable at best.

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Originally Posted by sol

I like this thread. It would make good reading for anyone who is feeling unmotivated.

I'm relatively new and haven't got a lucid yet, but I think its all to do with your attitude. I look at Lucid Dreaming as more of a lifelong goal, I mean....I've got every night for the rest of my life to try and develop this skill. Therefore I'm walking on sunshine, whooa oh

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Great way of thinking. You should never feel 'bad' about not lucid dreaming, because it is not your choice when or how long you sleep for. All you can do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you.

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Lucid dreaming takes time and dedication its not going to happen over night. in some cases it does but not for most people

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Lol'd at how literal that was.
I totally agree. Sometimes its a hit and miss. Never give up after one go. As I have been saying recently, you may as well keep trying. Unless you have a busy schedule for the middle of the night then theres nothing stopping you. :P

This really is true. To be completely honest it's been two and a half years since I started trying to Lucid Dream. I've since only had a handful of lucid dreams that I wasn't even able to control! I have a tendency to get discouraged every once in a while. This is an absolutely terrible idea. It can (and usually will) set your progress back to 0. I've learned over time that the key is moderation. If you feel like you're getting frustrated, tone it down a bit! It won't kill you to be satisfied with the dreams your mind cooks up for a little while! Plus, now they'll be more vivid and you can expand your dream journal!

One way to keep from getting discouraged (and this will cause a riot):

DON'T count your lucids. Write them down of course, along with your other dreams but DON'T keep track of the numbers. There is no reason to count a night of no lucids as any sort of failure or disappointment. Just try to think about how you have a clean slate the next night, and if it happens, great, and if not, no big deal either because you'll have good dreams anyway. ;)

couldn't agree more with the thread,.

somenights you'll have extreme didcation and you get nothing, and sometimes you do nothing and have like 4 dreams ina row with 1 FA 'lawl

you just need to be moderatly persistant, dont try your ass of or you'll just end up stressing yourself wich is like a -50% chance for dreams. i suppose for those people who are desperate and sleeping is a highpoint of your day you could try using supplements. (not recommended: melatonin/b6 for starts)

i used to be desperate for dreams, and while i was i got none, i gave up on dreams, and got 1 so i tryed a MILD one last time while i was relaxed and careless of wheater or not it'd work, and BANG a LD woke my life up =D

good night!

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Originally Posted by Naiya

One way to keep from getting discouraged (and this will cause a riot):

DON'T count your lucids. Write them down of course, along with your other dreams but DON'T keep track of the numbers. There is no reason to count a night of no lucids as any sort of failure or disappointment. Just try to think about how you have a clean slate the next night, and if it happens, great, and if not, no big deal either because you'll have good dreams anyway. ;)

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That's actually a very good point.
I believe that some members think lucid dreaming is some sort of numbers game where we have to out do each other. Lucid dreaming is life changing whether you have had 1 or 100.
I know that I keep count of my lucid dreams, but I do this for my own evaluation purposes. To be honest, I should take it off because it discourages the whole point of lucid dreaming.

Sometimes failing in lucid dreaming is more important than having them. When you fail, it gives you a chance to look back and see where you went wrong. You never learn if you keep winning.

im not trying to out do anybody, i count my lucid dreams cause i like to see how many ive had. it doesnt discourage me at all.

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im not trying to out do anybody, i count my lucid dreams cause i like to see how many ive had. it doesnt discourage me at all.

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Same here. I like to do a positive visualisation thing where I imagine my count being much higher than it is now. And I like to think that updating my count after a success helps to reinforce the positive behaviour.

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Same here. I like to do a positive visualisation thing where I imagine my count being much higher than it is now. And I like to think that updating my count after a success helps to reinforce the positive behaviour.

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I agree. Its hard not to count my dreams, with my DJ in all.

Good points-- if counting lucids isn't causing discouragement, then no reason to stop. We're all different in how we think. :)

But if you're the type of person who goes "oh, I've only have five" and gets disappointed by that, I would say lose the counting. I've seen a lot of people doing that, where counting serves to discourage more than motivate.

The beauty of LD is its all a mind game...If you beleive you can...you can. LD is not a test of physical ability and dedication, like say....basketball, but a test of dedication solely. If you are dedicated to the goal of LD you will LD. LD without dedication is like a pen without ink, a soup without broth, a deflated beachball. USELESS.

Haha... This isn't something I don't have much of a problem with. Every night I don't have a lucid dream, I just tell myself... "Okay... TONIGHT I will definitely lucid dream!" lol

I figure I will eventually lucid dream. Whether it's by chance or because I keep telling myself I will.

How I think of lucid dreams is if I don't have one, or fail at WILD or something like that I don't get fustrated or quit or anything like that. I just say to myself, "Oh well. I always have tonight or tomorrow, etc." Sure I would really like to have one, but if I don't, oh well, I'll keep trying!

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Originally Posted by Conzo

How I think of lucid dreams is if I don't have one, or fail at WILD or something like that I don't get fustrated or quit or anything like that. I just say to myself, "Oh well. I always have tonight or tomorrow, etc." Sure I would really like to have one, but if I don't, oh well, I'll keep trying!

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Exactly. Why give up? What good is that going to do?