Thread: Lucid Dreaming Takes Dedication

right on. personal evolution is a gradual process.

yeah people need encouragement, it does get tougher the more you "fail" but I never see it as failing, at least even when I dont LD I at least still have cooler dreams now

True that. I've heard of people trying without results for over a year but they kept at it and now they LD all the time. Like you said it pays off in the end.

Very true. Too often have I focused all my willpower on lucid dreaming for a day, had no results, and felt so compelled not too give up, but to not continue at such a pace.

I've been at it for nearly a year already, but I finally had a very amazing dream (still no full-lucids) about a month ago, and I know I'm definitely not giving up.

yeah i've been at it for for a while now with no sucess but my dreams are becoming more vivid so i think im almost there.

Everything you said is so true! I tottally agree with it, that being said:

after a while, if you have a small handfull of lucids, you can stop practically all work and still get some (you start to get to know your dream world, and will sometimes just know). You may not get as much, but if you've already had a few and your sick of the work, you can still count on becoming lucid every once in a while (I do practically nothing, and do get lots). Plus, even if you do NOTHING, coming on DV can get you thinking about dreaming and LD, and that could help as well. I realize that this is geared towards newbs, but newbs usually will eventually get a couple of lucids and reach this point.

Exactly! I have been trying for weeks with no success, but I am not giving up! People have told me the dedication that I have is un-believable. I take that as a great compliment and it helps me keep motivated.

Good luck to all!

Motivation + Dedication + Recall = Lucidity.

Yeah, I use to go through this, be in a dry spell for months and I always thought I could never lucid dream.

But how I broke my dry spell, I had confidence and I never gave up, because I knew it
would eventually come to me.

Man! You are so right. Applies in all areas of life actually.

Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost.
That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange.

In otherwords, you must put an equal ammount of work into lucid dream in order to aquire the results.

Spoiler for The law:

That law is fictional. Taken from a manga/anime

Thanks for all the great responses!

i think it should be mandatory for every noob to read this thread.

Deleted so people would stop thread-jacking!

, what your founding fathers (notice that they themselves never fought, save George Washington) did was sacrifice thousands of young men over a 2% tax. Great Britain protected and nurtured you, and you turned around and bit them as they were busy freeing the rest of Europe from oppression.

Good point, bad example.

Good example!

Are you British? No offense man, but Britain was not showing her colonies respect.

Britain did not protect the colonies, they enslaved the colonies. The colonists came over here, and shed sweat, blood, and tears to discover a land, and to nurture it, and to make it's people prosper.

And we were under the Britih crown! In other words, we helped Britain, and all she did was tighten her hold on us by taxing us, despite the fact that American colonists had no representation in parliament.

We would have backed off peacefully, but NO! Britain wouldn't have it!

She knew quite well what an amzing land North America was, and would not tolerate part of it leaving her grand empire.

Despite the fact that NOBODY in Britain had even aided them in the hard, vigirous labor that the colonists had endured, they still wanted to own us.

Those young men went to war gladly, FYI. Those were the days in which soldiers did not need to be bribed with free education, and hundreds of benefits. Nor did they need boot camp.

Most of the founding fathers were the brain, and the rest were the brawn. Together we wroked with a common goal in mind. We worked harder than America ever worked. Prayed harder then we ever prayed. Thought harder than we ever thought. Fought harder than we ever fought.

With hard work, endurance, and the hand of God, we did what most people considered impossible.

We defeated the British.

NOT a bad example.

Terrible example.

I'm not British, in fact, I'm from the land north of you which wasn't oppressed, didn't fight a pointless war and did not leave the Empire through violence.

Britain didn't help Americans colonize the land? Early colonists were British. Plus you're forgetting that 'American' is the name taken by the religious outcasts who through oppression, violence and disease wiped out the real Americans living there.

Case and point; the war was started to a large extent because of the Ohio Valley, a piece of fertile land that Britain had left to natives already living there. Settlers encroached on their land and began a war with the natives; when Britain didn't help the settlers, the ranks of would-be revolutionaries swelled.

I love how you seem to think America was this peaceful little edge of the world, just wanting to be left alone. Everyone in Britain pays taxes. You pay far more tax in modern America than colonists ever did! The British Empire was maintained through tax, and Australians, Canadians, Americans, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians and others all payed it. You only made a fuss over it when it meant that you didn't have free reign to expand into land pledged to Natives.

And about that Freedom? Why did the British army grant immediate freedom to black slaves fighting under them, while the Americans forced them to fight for months on end until they were entitled to the 'all are equal under God' rule?

So no, I don't attribute lucid dreaming to a power struggle between a few well educated men on either end of the spectrum where thousands of ignorant or desperate young men died. There should have been conflict, but it should not have been in the form of bloodshed and death. War is rape, starvation, cruelty, pain and terror with a government stamp. War is wrong, always wrong, and never glorious. War is horror.



(Although, it should be noted that both sides during the war showed incredible tenacity, bravery, intelligence and determination, all qualities that are great for lucid dreaming.)

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Terrible example.

I'm not British, in fact, I'm from the land north of you which wasn't oppressed, didn't fight a pointless war and did not leave the Empire through violence.

Britain didn't help Americans colonize the land? Early colonists were British. Plus you're forgetting that 'American' is the name taken by the religious outcasts who through oppression, violence and disease wiped out the real Americans living there.

Case and point; the war was started to a large extent because of the Ohio Valley, a piece of fertile land that Britain had left to natives already living there. Settlers encroached on their land and began a war with the natives; when Britain didn't help the settlers, the ranks of would-be revolutionaries swelled.

I love how you seem to think America was this peaceful little edge of the world, just wanting to be left alone. Everyone in Britain pays taxes. You pay far more tax in modern America than colonists ever did! The British Empire was maintained through tax, and Australians, Canadians, Americans, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians and others all payed it. You only made a fuss over it when it meant that you didn't have free reign to expand into land pledged to Natives.

And about that Freedom? Why did the British army grant immediate freedom to black slaves fighting under them, while the Americans forced them to fight for months on end until they were entitled to the 'all are equal under God' rule?

So no, I don't attribute lucid dreaming to a power struggle between a few well educated men on either end of the spectrum where thousands of ignorant or desperate young men died. There should have been conflict, but it should not have been in the form of bloodshed and death. War is rape, starvation, cruelty, pain and terror with a government stamp. War is wrong, always wrong, and never glorious. War is horror.



(Although, it should be noted that both sides during the war showed incredible tenacity, bravery, intelligence and determination, all qualities that are great for lucid dreaming.)

Bravo!
Wondeful that some people take the time to understand history.
Great post!

Ten points to etherial for the most historically accurate post.

I deeply suggest that we get back in the game before a certain nameless someone locks this thread.


Excellent concept!

Originally Posted by Dream scientist

Ten points to etherial for the most historically accurate post.

I deeply suggest that we get back in the game before a certain nameless someone locks this thread.


Excellent concept!

...so how bout them lucid dreams? hehe

Splendid! How was the weather in your last lucid? (DV small talk)

How about them Cubs?

Seriously, though, it was really great timing for me with this post! I was just really starting to feel discouraged and on the verge of giving up, which I've done before. This was the pep talk I needed!

Okay...don't give up...don't give up...don't give up.

Betcha I have a dream about not giving up

How did I end up learning about history on a lucid dreaming forum?! Wow guys way to go off topic, but thanks for the info anyway.

The OP was great though, all very true. I'm always telling people to keep trying, keep trying! It may take months or years but it's worth it!

Heh, sorry

I think Lucid Dreaming should be prescribed medication. The elation it brings you the next day is inexplicable! You find yourself grinning throughout the day just at the idea of it. Definitely worth the time and effort.

To quote Churchill, "We shall [dream about] the beaches, we shall [dream about] the landing grounds, we shall [dream about] the fields and [sic] the streets, we shall [dream about] the hills; we shall never surrender!"