The New Technique, Fool Proof

I'm sure this could work for some people, especially with the spell. Other things that might help would be using an expensive/elaborate ritual cup to drink out of, a unique/elaborate way of preparing the drink itself, etc. I think things like that give more significance and "weight" to rituals, allowing them to have more impact on the mind.

or concoct something, I'm gonna put some random juice, add glucose sugar, add some other juice, stir, drink slowly :P lol

this dosent really seem to be a fool proff method, and its not really new =P however if i want to get someone into ld this might work pretty well, as long as they dont recognize the flavor.

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Originally Posted by mrdeano

I thought for a placebo effect to work, you need the subject to be unaware of it being a placebo. xD

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im gonna have to disagree with this. the placebo effect is essentially when you believe that something will heal you. before we understood this effect, placebos worked. now that we understand the theory behind it, and why placebos work, surely that can make belief in them even stronger. it does for me at least. understanding how the placebo effect works will only stop it working if you come at it from a pretty negative view. all about the power of positive thinking. however once you realise the power of the mind, then there is no need to put your faith in an external object, although it may help. nice method anyhow :)

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Originally Posted by JesterKK

Mrdeano is right in his comment. the technique may have worked better if you stated that a particular type of juice is great for inducing lucid dreams if you have it before bedtime. Then you could have made some elaborate scientific lie about why it works. Self-deception is a bizillion times harder than being deceived by others, and the technique that you are proposing is that someone ought to deceive themselves into believing something that they know is a placebo, actually isn't a placebo and is really somehow effective via means of placebo.
If someone succeeds with the technique then there is a good chance that their belief in the 'lucid potion' is reinforced. But if you fail, it takes even more self-deception to make the technique work.

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how is it self deception when placebos have been proved to work? :)

for what it is worth i have used a similar placebo type effect while in a lucid, (drinking, smoking) while telling myself that it will make the dream more stable and last for ages. it works a treat

its quite funny all the people saying that you would be a fool for believing in the power of your own mind. never underestimate the power of beliefhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEEXyRL0qE

Who the hell revived this stupid thread?
*looks suspiciously* gameOVERLOOOORRRRRRD!

cool technique apple juice is the best to drink before bed for dreams

if something is not true then it is impossible to convince yourself otherwise as there will always be a nagging thought in the back your head that 'this isn't true'