once i become a master at lucid dreaming... i want to take a crack at shared dreaming.... if i tell my friend that he is dreaming.... but he doesn't know its me in real life... can i be his dream guide?
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once i become a master at lucid dreaming... i want to take a crack at shared dreaming.... if i tell my friend that he is dreaming.... but he doesn't know its me in real life... can i be his dream guide?
I guess you could. But I would take caution in doing that. Its normally best to ask permission from people first before sharing a dream with them. Its the respectful thing to do, and if he ever found out that you were going into his dreams every night, he might either think its cool or there could be major problems between you two. Some people would get mad or scared by that.
uhm, what contex do you mean by dream guide?
I highly doubt it.
Dream guides are the access to your subconscious.....and you don't even know if he will remember it, my friend on here and I have had multiple shared dreams that I barely remember
I'm going to have to agree with Atras, it's not right to be sharing people's dreams without permission. I suppose it could be like an invasion of privacy.
with permission, How would I go about entering another persons dream?
http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared-dream-faqs-109499/Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatsReal
Thanks.
You can. You don't have to ask either. If you want to a little fuck who follows morals and manners or whatever you can ask, but you can be an evil bastard and do whatever you want :twisted: I mean does he really even care? Probably doesn't even remember his dreams anyways. You can take on epic adventures and shit. then he'll be all in an awesome mood in the morning from epic adventures. or you can torture him in dreams then he'll be afraid of you in waking life!!!! I've done that. its interesting how you can change peoples attitude towards you through dreams. Their emotions carry over even if they don't remember the dream. obviously you need more experience before attempting this stuff though. it would be pretty cool though.
lol thats what im talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
I intend on having the epic adventure, than tell him what he dreamt about and hell be like OMFG HOW DO YOU KNOW O_O_O_O_O
And from then on i'll tell him and he wont really care.... he never cares about anything XD
you may be able to convince him your god, that would really fuck his mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverlord345
Considering he is VERY religious... that would be AWESOME!!
you mean in the dream? lol
This is someone's mind we're talking about guys.
You may lose him as a friend if he feels you're in his head. You might make him paranoid and really fuck him up if he thinks his thoughts and dreams are not his own.
I don't know if shared dreaming is real, never done it myself. Still, if you're going to do it, make sure it's for healing, fun etc. Not torture and mind-fuck.
as i said before, im only gonna do it for fun... and tell him the next day :D
It still might freak him out that you've been in his dreams, pretty much his head. You might want to ask him beforehand.
okay :/
its because i wouldnt care id assume everyone else wouldnt care XD
I think I would. But meh, he's your friend, do what you want with 'im.
lol that sounds so mean :/
I agree. Shared dreaming is a powerful thing And if your doing it for the fun of it WITHOUT respecting the person your sharing a dream with, that's just wrong. You think he would be ok with it but when it comes to someone messing around inside your head, even the chillest people could get freaked out. If you don't wanna tell him beforehand, then just say " if for some reason I was able to go into your dreams, would you be okay with it" you could just tell him it's a theoretical question. Also, pretending to be god in his dreams is so unbelievably messed up, I'm kinda disgusted that you guys would even consider that. Have some respect, especially because he's your friend. You wouldn't want people going into your head and fucking with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Someones mind used to be the only place that was truly private, but with shared dreaming even the mind is open to others. By going into his mind you could stumble upon personal things he doesn't Want anyone seeing, or he could just feel like your invading his privacy. I wouldn't gamble on the fact that he'll think it's cool.
i said i changed my mind :/
EDIT: hows your opinion on telling him IN THE REAM that he is dreaming and that i am me in real life in the dream, than whle we are awake, prove it.
I would just Ask him first. He probably wouldn't even believe it's possible so hed still be amazed when you prove it to him. And if for some reason he gets mad when you do it, you can at least say that you asked his permission and he said yes. I mean it's really your choice but I would be careful about this stuff, shares dreaming has a darkside to it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverlord345
Shard dreaming is still a very new concept. BecUse of the Internet it is gaining some popularity but we are still the pioneers of shared dreaming. It is our responsibility to set a good example and not abuse shared dreaming. As more people fin out about it and once it is proven to be true (someone will prove it eventually) more and more people will start sharing dreams. Would you rather live in a world where people respect other peoples dream spaces or a world where everyone is constantly going into other peoples dreams and you are constantly living in fear that someone with hostile intentions will invade your dreams.
alright alright :D
i won't
or i'll ask him :D
good hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by gameoverlord345
well Normally when i go into other peoples dreams. They will not really care and be happy to see me. If they don't want me there they will say something like why are you here??? This is a dream look at your hand. This isn't a dream wtf are you talking about??!!!
but really who the fuck cares it not that big of a deal. Kind of exaggerating it. I mean you dream of crazy random shit all the time anyways. Its not like your going to mess them up forever or anything. really I would advise not giving a shit and doing whatever you want because thats your right as a lucid dreamer to go in stupid nonlucid dreamers dreams. be free and have fun. If someone doesn't like that... maybe you should fight them! Just be free and do what you feel like. manners don't exist in dreams. Fuck manners those are physical world shit. for people who take everything to seriously. don't take things seriously in dreams. it is a dream!!!!! That is what dreams teach us. Stop taking everything so seriously and getting offended. Just be free and stop being a whiny bitch. it makes you see through the eyes of a dreamer all the time. being free and playful and care free. there is no reason to take everything so seriously all it does is makes yourself stressed out. You waste your energy being offended. Everything is a dream.
Lucid dreaming may be just a dream, but shared dreaming is more than that. You dont have to take things seriously but other people havent consented to sharing a dream with you so they may be taking things more seriously than you. Im not gonna argue with you because its obvious to me that I wont be able to convince you that other people deserve respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
EDIT: and i dont see how im getting offended or being a whiny bitch by saying that you shouldnt invade peoples minds and fuck with them when they are most vulnerable.
I would suggest reading this http://www.dreamviews.com/f61/shared...-theory-94502/
I know it is just one persons opinion, but to me, it makes sense
lol Well fucking with peoples minds is pretty fucked up but you would be surprised how much that actually happens. not humans though. Other entities. They manipulate the consciousness of individuals and the collective consciousness. we are toyed with in our minds. We belong to a collective consciousness that is full of greed and hate. We open ourselves up to that. I wouldn't trip to much on going in peoples dreams though. I often get thrown in dreams randomly with other people anyways :P
Ya I don't really care about Etiquette. See incubus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atras
Well i guess thats your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
And wtf your comparing yourself with a demon that has sex with people in their sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
I wouldn't suggest doing that. Most people get freaked out and would call the priest if they heard a disembodied voice every so often or saw something let alone someone getting in there dreams. People like us are more used to very odd things so we sometimes don't get how other people would react. Imagine something happening to you against your will that defies all you where taught and know. Most peoples minds are very fragile to things that threaten there privacy and perception of reality.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Osmodin
naaa most people wouldn't even know its you in their dream because they are non lucid. really its not that serious unless you do something that seriously effects their own natural state of being. i think that it doesn't really matter. If they don't like you in their dreams it probably won't be enjoyable to dream with them anyways. if you don't like them you can give them nightmares. maybe they deserve it because they are assholes. do what feels right I dunno. I don't like morals. I want everyone to just be themselves. Listen to your heart and do what feels right in your heart. be yourself. don't be afraid to act from your heart. Morals are just beliefs created by your own mind on how to act in realtionship to whatever. But really do what feels right in your heart. let your heart be your moral guide.
My heart tells me to do what's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
I quess it depends on what person you want to share a dream with. I think it would be cool to have another person as a dream guide, but I dunno how someone else would react about having another person in their dreams. Itīs probably better to ask for permission.
Sorry :( It wasn't supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverlord345
lol npQuote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
i do have asshole 'friends' and i don't see how entering their dream is bad... won't they just think i'm a dream character? I just intend to have an adventure with them or something...Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
It's funny how you're the one whining when we're just looking out for other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
To be honest I think you're just being selfish. Sure, play around in your own dreams and do whatever, but it's different when someone is alive there too.
Dreams can be terrifying and I'm not gonna start fucking with people through them and I advise anyone else not to either. Atras and I are just saying that to avoid any reactions, arguements etc, just to ask (even passively) if you can go into their dream before you do.
I don't consider that whining. I consider you to be whining though, saltyseedog. Hypocritical much?
Wait, isn't everyones dream one big dream world or do you like enter a portal to another persons dream....
I don't know, I don't know a lot about shared dreaming. But when it comes to real live people there are things you can and can't do.
Well, i said i'd ask him so i will :D
So we should all destroy what seperates us from the animals? Morals which keep us from harming others and ineffect bringing about caos. So we should live our lives doing things reguardless of how it effects others? We should say kick a toddler becasue it would be fun, becasue they deserve it for makeing a mean face? This is extreem but you get it dont you?Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
We as humans would not be able to exist without morals, without morals crime would be rampant on the streets and thus no order. Humanity compleety destroyed and us being turned into animals that fight and bicker amongst themselvs? Humanity is damaged enough as it is. Cerial killers follow thire hearts but it is wrong. People are fragille and easy to drive off the deep end. You just should not tamper with someones head. Giving someone nightmares is wrong, the right nightmare given to the wrong person could potentially harm them in more ways than one.
I doubt you could even enter someones dreams any way. It takes mental discaplin to concentrait on that and you clearly have no discaplin.
Thanks! AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
we are animals foo!!!! Disregarding our natural animalistic state has caused all this chaos on earth. Look around!!! Look how fucked up everything is!!!! We are destroying ourselves and the earth!!!! We are greedy and horde and fight wars out of self importance and disagreement on religious morals and shit. It is soo stupid. animals would never do that! they wouldn't kill each other over disagreement of beliefs or to horde and and not share. Animals take what they need, but they are not full of greed and self importance. Nor do they hate others. They get angry. They get angry at behaviors that hurt them or the ones they love. They get angry when they are not free. They express what they feel. we are like domesticated dogs. can you imagine a wolf being put on leash and going with it? No! he would flip out and squirm around trying to break free and then run as fast as he can to get away or die trying. We have become domesticated. they train us so we obey. They train us so they have control. they don't want us to flip out and run away. they don't want us to listen to our hearts. They want us to listen to our minds. we are living in an unnatural state. A state where we believe ourselves separate from nature. We are not though. we are one with nature. we are one with humanity. we are one with ourselves. we do not know that though. We live in our belief of separation. Believing that I start here and you start there. Rather than we are all one and all interconnected. No matter what you do I will love you because you are my brother. You are a part of the family I belong to called humanity. But it doesn't mean I'm not going to get pissed when you act like an asshole to me.
Wow your contradicting yourself. The people that are destroying the earth and being greedy and shit dont have morals! If everyone followed morals, True morals, then there would be peace. If everyone was tolerant of eachother and didnt do things because it only is good for themselves there wouldnt be chaos. Your just trying to make excuses to do whatever you want but your just contradicting everything your saying and making no sense. I know your getting all these ideas from that strange satanistic belief you follow but dude Its messed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
EDIT: When i say morals I'm not talking about constraints that religion sets on society, I'm talking about doing whats right because its right.
You stole what i was gonna say lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atras
Oh my, first, you have to assume SDing is real. If it is, you have to give your own description of a DG, based on what you think a DG is, it might be harmful or not. Then what kind of person it is and all that, and make even more assumptions based on that.
Also, on the morals thing, morals are not universal nor objetive, it changes from person to person and age to age, so at least use "in this day and age" or something.
Morals are held out of the belief of seperation though. Have respect for someone elses boundries. But in reality boundries only exist because you believe they do. we are all one. We are all connected. we all have access to each others dreams (unless you intend someone not to be). we are free. Morals they keep pushing seperation. seperation is the illusion. It is the illusion that exists only so we may become one again. seperation is why anybody does not have respect for anothers well being. I know that sounds contradicting. Sometimes people deserve an ass whooping though. if they didn't get it they would just keep going around acting like an asshole to everyone. You feel it in your heart. express it!!!! to serve god is to serve yourself. to serve yourself is to listen to your heart. when you listen to your heart your desire is to do whatever for the greater good of the one. because we are all one. If you feel like lashing out and killing everyone, maybe thats because you listen to your heart and look around and everyone hates each other and sees one another as seperate? maybe thats what makes them go crazy. maybe they went crazy from there own thoughts of hate. either way, you should express yourself. For that is who you are. be yourself. don't live a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atras
Also I'm not satanist just cause I made a thread about satanism. I'm not like omg I'm just regeritating satanic crap. This came from my heart bitch.
You make no sense, morals is respect for other people. if you live by morals you arent seperating yourself. And I fail to see how living by morals is living a lie. Living by morals is being stronger than those who just give in to their every want. Because people dont live by morals we have greed and corruption and people not respecting eachother and shit. Theres no strict rule for morals, other than to do what you think is right and what is good for everyone, not just yourself. People can define their own morals, but morals arent acting in a way that only helps yourself, thats greed. And if you wanna live an eye for an eye life then go ahead. But I think that revenge is counterproductive. Your only making the problem worse and making seperation worse through revenge. I think that the person who is able to refrain from revenge even though someone was an ass to them is the stronger person. Love always trumps everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
You misunderstand. Morals are thinking doing what is right. Listening to your heart is knowing that what you are doing is right. Right and wrong in your mind only exist because you created those thoughts or beliefs. Nothing is truely right or wrong. But in your heart there is a burning desire and what that is is your soul. Your soul does what it does because it knows what it is doing is the best thing it can do in this moment. it acts from a perspective of knowing that you are eternal. it knows that all is one. You are one with yourself when you listen to the feelings in your heart. You act in a way that desires that one love. You dispise everything that acts against that one love. But really all I'm saying is stop making judgements from the mind and rather just listen to your heart and do what feels right. I'm not saying you have to do anything though. sorry if i sound like an asshole.
Humans are interesting. I wonder if life is really just an illusion, or a really long dream from which we never wake up to the reality of nothingness.
It depends on your perspective. from the perspective of nothingness all of this appears to be an illusion. From the perspective of this physical/dream reality nothingness appears to be an illusion.
There are plenty of people out there who have to stop themselves from hurting other people, even when they really want to. What would happen if those people just done what they wanted? They don't share your belief of everyone is one/connected. They won't give a shit about that.
Ok, so I feel it in my heart to kill your mother. You feel it in your heart to kill me because of that. Then my brother kills you, then your dad kills my brother, can you see what's happening here? I'm sure even the best of people have wanted to hurt someone sometime. But the difference is that they know it's wrong, so they control themselves, rise above it, and no one gets hurt.
You say we're like domesticated animals. Yes, we have rules and laws. But you wouldn't want an untamed wolf for a pet would you? You'd get hurt. That's why people think their actions through. It's called being unselfish. Thinking of other people's wants before your own. If EVERYONE was selfless, think what the world would be like?
I don't think it will be possible anywhere in the near future. Lucid shared dreams are still unknown territory by most, and a very very rare event even among the more experienced.
However, being his dream guide, keeping in mind the terminology, is impossible. Dream guides, as I have come to believe, are part of YOUR OWN subconscious. They are more personal to you, and they KNOW you better than yourself. It's more than just getting him lucid. A dream guide and the oneironaut take a spiritual journey together, into the depths of their very own souls. It's a very PERSONAL experience, and personally, I don't think anyone in this world can replace MY dream guide. She's MY dream guide, like your lawyer is YOUR lawyer.
Besides, there's a different attraction to DGs. I don't think you have ever met one of your DGs, as the feeling is wholly different.
Thank you so much for that :) I completely agree. I wish everyone thought that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
No problem ;) I just don't understand how people don't think that way to be honest. It's the basics to be a good person; help others out.
Me either. Its because of that type of thinking that is destroying this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Stay on topic? :D :D
Don't ruin the debate! :pissed:
Nah, I get you. we've wandered away from dream guide and onto morals and humanity. Meh. Back to the topic.
SO... I think what I said was pretty damn important. :D
Pfft, I have been the DG of a random DC for some days now, is that on-topic enough?
Lol yeah well on topic..I dont think its possible to be a real persons dream guide because I'm pretty sure they can only know your a dream guide if theyre lucid. And for that to happen you would have to constantly make them lucid and be there all the time but dream guides are part of the dreaming persons mind, so they know things about the person themselves. As a seperate person, I dont know if you could effectively guide the person because you arent part of their mind, if you get what Im saying.
The only reason something is wrong is because you think it is wrong. Nothing is wrong. Nothing is right. Nothing is everything. everything is nothing. We are nothing. In your heart you feel nothing. To feel nothing is to be free from the duality of the mind. The heart only desires oneness. What goes against oneness makes the heart angry. When you feel with your heart you love everyone and everything unconditionally. You see all as one. You feel the oneness in your heart. It feels empty. Everything is so empty. Everything is so pointless unless the mind says there is a point to anything. the only purpose the heart knows is oneness. Because that is all it feels. It loves everything and everyone weather they love them or not. This can be depressing as everyone sees everything as separate as they live in the duality of the minds judgments and expectations. The people you see walking down the street most likely don't love you unconditionally as family. Your own family might not even love you unconditionally as family. This is the moral guidance of the heart. Oneness. Beyond the judgment of the mind. Seeing the stupidity of conditioned love and hate. Only desiring freedom. Freedom to love and be loved unconditionally. This makes the soul angry and depressed when this freedom is taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Oh, well thats if my DC is a person, I'm always mind-reading him anyway so can tell him stuff about himself.
It is definitely possible to be someones dream guide even if they are not fully lucid. Many of my friends I have dream shared with I tought them dream travel and meditation and many other dream skills. Many of the dreams they don't remember obviously but the skills will stick with them subconsciously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atras
True. I guess it would be most practical if they were lucid but your probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
Well, it is pretty simple to make them lucid, I'm always telling DCs it is a dream, proving it and all that stuff. In fact, I always make my DC lucid or else it is too confusing and I get angry <.<
I think we're talking about other people not dc's, but yeah if you can find them its pretty easy to make them lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Oh I'm skeptic, so won't call them people unless it is a confirmed shared. It could as well be, but since I don't know go with DC <.<
Yeah i gotcha hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
I thought you've had shared dreams???? Your confusing me hukif!!!!
I have, several confirmed shared dreams over the years (They happened when I didn't believe in them, btw). In fact, I believe shared dreaming is real, but I'm a skeptic nonetheless. Skeptics can believe in this stuff too lol
I am confused as well. How can you a skeptic if you've already proved it to yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Being skeptic is only being in doubt, pretty simple. I will test stuff myself, won't believe anything I have heard etc. That I believe in shared dreaming doesn't means I can't be a skeptic, right? Of course, I'm not skeptic about SDing.
Oh ok thought you were saying you were skeptical about shared dreamingQuote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Yeah I guess it's hard to know whether it's the actual person or just another DC.