I know it's crazy and everyone around you would think your crazy, but it would be cool if your subconscious can talk to you while your conscious. Would that be possible? It can also be like your dream guide talking to you while your awake.
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I know it's crazy and everyone around you would think your crazy, but it would be cool if your subconscious can talk to you while your conscious. Would that be possible? It can also be like your dream guide talking to you while your awake.
It would be pretty cool, I'd actually like to talk directly to my subconscious in a LD and see if it changes anything about my beliefs in waking life.
This is essentially how dissociative personality disorder works, the person has various aspects of their subconscious split into different personalities or 'people' within their thoughts.
It is possible though, to train yourself to be able to accept answers from your subconscious. I know of people who are able to have full conversations within their head to themselves and work things out. I started doing this to a basic level - when meditating I can pose a thought to myself and catch the instant response which comes back. You learn to think without thinking - just simply allowing the ideas and responses to come to you straight from your subconscious. It's very intriguing and I actually got a PM asking me how I do this today!
Here's a thread I started about this recently: http://www.dreamviews.com/f36/access...logues-120200/
And a similar one: http://www.dreamviews.com/f96/intere...voices-120980/
I don't know. But I have once read about something years ago, that there's this kind of divine force in you that you can train yourself to lisen to... And it will help you thru life with making the right decissions. Like when you are driving and suddenly it tells you not to go right but left. You ask it why and it tells you to just go left and put on the radio. You go left and put on the radio and the broadcasters say there's a traffic a few km's ahead on the right turn you usually take. Ofcourse you could just have put on the radio earlier, but you ge the point. It's a force that speaks to you not with words but with pictures and associated emotions with it or something it was.
I've tried finding it again for years now but I fail everytime.
Its not crazy, this is how you are supposed to think.
Your being exists on multiple levels simultaneously, extending beyond this reality.
To give a sort of cheezy metaphor, imagine a space ship sending a man down onto an alien planet. He can only see what is right in front of him, but up on the ship they have topographical maps, instruments to measure weather patterns, contact with other vessels and so on. The ship has the much broader view. The guy on the planet needs to stay in communication with the ship in order to function properly, else he is going to run into trouble really quickly.
Well there are aspects of your consciousness outside this reality which can communicate with you. You, being deep within this realm, can use them to get a broader picture.
To further illustrate this, imagine the body when it is asleep. It is alive, all the organic process are functioning, yet it is but a shell. The mind has withdrawn from the body temporarily leaving it uninhabited. When you reconnect with your body and wake up, the mind animates the body. Well there is a further level of yourself which animates your mind in the same way. The spirit communes with the mind in the same way the mind communes with the body. It can spontaneously create insights, thoughts, knowledge, even speak in english, by organizing your own thoughts in the same way you may use your mind to move your body around. The mind, however, has free will to ignore the spirit, shutting down contact. When this happens, which it has to most humans, the mind quickly deteriorates. It is designed to have insight at creativity flow through it from above, it in and of itself is not creative. A paint brush isn't much of anything until an artist picks it up and works with it. Your spirit can work through your mind.
Inner receptivity and silence is the key to this contact. Constant, forceful thinking leaves no opening for insight to flow. The mind may think in order to pose the question, but if you leave no room for the response nothing will come through. If it is unable to commune directly with your ego, watch for synchronicities related to whatever question you have. I often have an issue that I am pondering, and in the following weeks I will repeatedly come across information or people connected to it.
Raetin,
Unless you are suffering from serious mental illness, as Dark Merlin noted above, there is no "other mind" lurking somewhere inside you. It's all you -- your subconscious is a unit of your mind, spirit, soul, or whatever, as Tranquil Toad so clearly describes just above, cheezy metaphor and all.
Think of it as a metaphysical filing cabinet for your consciousness that stores all the information, wisdom, instinct, and general flotsam and jetsam of your life that you simply cannot carry around in your waking consciousness at all times without going crazy. And, to extend this cheezy metaphor, that filing cabinet is always unlocked, whether you are awake or asleep, ready to supply you with whatever memories, reactions, daydreams, facts, reactions, or ideas that might be necessary in any given moment. That the drawers of this cabinet tend to be flung wide open during dreams might make its existence more obvious to you during sleep, it is still the same cabinet, and still very much a part of your own mind. There is no one else inside you to "talk to."
That said, it has always been one of my lucid dreaming goals to learn to access and rifle through that filing cabinet consciously during a dream. Perhaps then I might harness a currently involuntary section of my mind that can create entire dream scenarios from scratch (aka, thinking a hundred things at once, when you consider the details that go into a dream), and can tap any memory at any time. Then, once accessed, I would bring that ability to waking life. Hopefully without losing my sanity.
So yes, I agree that the so-called subconscious section of your being is a very powerful mental tool, potentially, but it is still very much a part of you. You are "talking" to it all the time, though you are not aware of the conversation. To become aware of this control this conversation, and perhaps control it, could be possible, but could also be hazardous to your mental health.
Sageous, you and I have very different views of the subconscious (or unconscious, whatever). I think, if it's capable of creating and maintaining dozens of dream characters that are nothing like you and that can say or do things utterly surprising to you, it definitely has the capability of presenting itself as distinctly different personalities even in waking life on those occasions when you become aware of it. I also believe the conscious mind settles into a defined "personality" as we grow up and we discard thought patterns that don't fit that personality, but the unconscious still has those thoughts, even if we aren't consciously aware of them.
I used to do that all the time when I went for walks, I would say something, and listen for an answer.
I stopped doing that a long time ago, though I bet I could still do it if I tried though.
Oh, and I have a friend who claims to have turned her conscience into a separate personality that she talks to on a regular basis.
But are our views really that different? That DC's are strange, or do surprising things, may only be signs of a conscious mind being held tightly closed (or accidental shared dreaming, for some here), rather than an entirely different personality inside. Your note about the conscious mind "settling" into a personality that differs from earlier versions of itself seems valid, but wouldn't this settling simply be another item for the unconscious mind to register? In other words, in the big picture of mind, does that really matter? After all, the unconscious must adjust to whatever the conscious is doing and, conversely, the unconscious is very likely influencing those changes the conscious is making. It's all one mind, in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
I largely agree, but I do think there are times when we ignore the promptings of the unconscious and it has to make its presence felt in no uncertain terms. Like for instance when we have archetypal dreams or certain nightmare characters that represent a "message" from the unconscious that we're not receiving properly.
Also, I believe the conscious mind is analogous to the left brain - logical, linear linguistic... and the unconscious is analogous to right brain - sees the forest while the conscious mind sees only individual trees, thinks on metaphor and image rather than sentences - and so communication between the two can be problematic. I hate to keep pushing this video in here, but have you seen Jill Bolte Taylor's Stroke of Insight on Ted Talks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
What she's describing sounds a lot like my conception of the conscious and unconscious. And the way she tells it, these are two very different minds.
It's crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raetin
Its possible. For me it takes a special set of circumstances to happen though. Usually I think its usually better for subconscious and conscious to work together, speaking with just one voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raetin
Sageous,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
As we have discussed elsewhere, the 'its all me' model doesn't seem to fit my experience very well. There seems to be a 'collective' element to my subconscious in the sense that actual information is shared.
Why is this on the beyond-dreaming section anyway... is raetin using a spiritual definition? Because every time someone dreams they are "talking" or more like interacting with their unconcious mind, so nothing new there.
That's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I do this a lot I look at my dog and ask her a question then I interpret her actions into an answer thereby projecting my subconscious onto her.
Well, since you can interact with your subconscious in your dreams would be normal, but being able to interact while conscious is beyond dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
I think if you pay attention, you find that you interact with your subconscious almost continuously while awake. All of your conscious thoughts spring out of your subconscious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raetin
But in any case, I don't disagree with what you or anyone else said.
True, but their's DCs in our minds that sometimes pass our expectations, and seem so intelligent, it's crazy. Sometimes you don't feel their part of you, like how some people say that their is an entity in their dream plane.
This is an important point. Much of your thinking process is actually automatic and beyond your current control. It would be like looking at a body of water and seeing a bunch of currents and fluctuations on the top, but of course below that are many deeper currents which give rise to what you see on the surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowofwind
sometimes i talk to my subconcious.sometmes i get a response,but most of the time i dont.
As long as you don't end up arguing with yourself, you should be alright.
And, in the end, it is all one mind...yours. That "body of water" may be deep, and rife with conflicting currents (even some you might not recognize consciously, as during a dream), but it is still your water, a constantly functioning part of your own mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad
And yes, Raetin, since your question seeks to explore your connection to the "subconscious," this is definitely a beyond dreaming moment...
Shadowofwind:Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowofwind
How about a little twist on this ongoing disagreement? What if the mind is set up as I (and more reputable folks like Freud, Jung, and James Hillman) stated, but there is yet another, external, piece built into the system of mind that allows communication with other minds, or perhaps spontaneous thought from normally untapped portions of the mind that might also count as external? This way your "subconscious" and conscious minds are truly one, but perhaps there is someone or something else to converse with after all, that has nothing to do with subconscious activity. Beyond dreaming indeed!
Talking to yourself or not, there's DC characters who have answers I don't know consciously. Dream Guides are also fun to talk to since they have so much information that I don't know consciously.