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I for one do.
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Moved to Beyond Dreaming. :)
:C But I wanted to ask you guyzez.
I believe it's real, along with several other things I don't talk about in public. It gets a bit lonely, not being able to talk about it to other people.
Yeah... I think it's possible. BUT I DUN KNOW HOW IT WORKZ
I'm pretty much on the same page as you. I've had enough interesting experiences to make me think there's something to it, but the mechanism is still a mystery. When I tried it with people in different time zones who were strangers, I was really confused and surprised that we had good results. It changed my older opinions about how shared dreaming needed to occur at the same time (in real time) and between people who had some kind of emotional connection to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zalak123
SAme with me. I think dream time always flows and real time does too... Asleep or awake... And you can stay in ther elonge.r. IDK
Yeah, to me that would make more sense. But lately I've started to loosen my views on it. In other words, I'm open to the idea that both people aren't dreaming or even sleeping at the same time. On the surface that sounds pretty impossible, but it's one of those things where it's kinda like, it wouldn't hurt to be open to it. In other words, if I were to run experiments on SD myself, ideally I'd have people in the same time zone, but I would be open to doing something with people sleeping at different time zones just to see what happens. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zalak123
Yeah, i'm tryint to figure out the mystery that is lucid dremaing. I think I had a couple with my freind.
i read what u haveto do is create a white room then yell their name as loud as possible then open the one door you created and theyll be there, do a couple tests and convice them there in a dream then have fun lol
Good idea!
Placebo might make it work, just find your own method and try to experiment with it to make your own opinion.
I believe it exists because of several experiences, data and experiments I have conducted with the subject, and of course don't know how it works.
I know it is true because when i was 5 years old i slept with my friend while my parents was gone of to denmark. So the day after when i woke up she told me about this amazing dream that she and i was in. I never told her but, i dreamt the same thing and i was lucid at the time.
Placebo?
Yeah it's real.
What's placebo?
How do you think I can have a shared dream?
Still figuring out the science to it, I'll get back to you.
"laughs hard at seroquels post" Anyway, by placebo I meant people making their own dreams coincide with the dreams of others to make their belief of "Shared dreaming is real" be proven to themselves.
Obviously Dream Sharing is real, and we have objective proof:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f45/share-...entence-94250/ :banana:
Alright guys, stop making me LMAO... specially since I SO want to post "Shared dreaming is not real, stop posting people!" since the thread was created <.<
You don't think it's real. Okay.
I have had some experiences which hint at shared dreaming and telepathy but I can't say concretely that I know it to be real. Just out of curiosity, what made you arrive at this conclusion? You seem to be 100% sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
I believe in it, and have actually had some interesting experiences with Puffin.
Do you mind briefly describing some of the experiences you had and highlight the points that made you believe?
A lot of people do :O
glad to hear i'm not the only one.
The individuated mind dreams alone and on its own. Shared dreams are not real in dream world.
I think eldante's statement is valid. Usually, so-called "shared dreaming" happens between people that are related or whose lives have crossed. If the same or similar things are experienced in their waking lives, then it is not surprising that they dream about the same or similar scenarios once in a while. In fact, if certain dreams didn't coincide, it would actually be weird. That is the nature of coincidences.
We must also take into account that one, both or all individuals involved may have poor dream recall. All it takes sometimes is for one individual to say that they have perceived a particular detail in their dream for the other person to create a false dream memory and believe that they have also dreamt the same thing. The mind is trying to fill in the gaps and any puzzle piece that is suggested will do subconsciously.
In every "shared dreaming" case, there are many things to be examined and ruled out before we consider the possibility of telepathy or any other phenomenon in the field of parapsychology.
On the other hand, quantum mechanics might describe a physical system whereby telepathy is possible, on certain occasions, and very much normal (not paranormal). This could also explain the number of interesting experiences I've had...
I've "visited" three people in the lucid dream state and according to their reactions when I told them about my experiences, it appears that I either saw what was on their minds at the time and sometimes slightly inaccurate replicas of what they were actually doing physically. It begs the question: did I tap into the subconsciously created inaccurate replicas of what they were doing at the time (because when we do things in wakefulness, a mental construct is always generated in awareness)...OR...was it all coincidence and my mind does better than wild guessing about other people's affairs?
If telepathy is a reality and the quantum entanglement of minds explains it, then it is not difficult to peruse the minds of others as all one needs to do is enter the lucid dream world and translocate to mental constructs simply by desire. Think of the person you wish to visit and translocate.
I can't claim anything concretely because I have only "visited" three people. One of them was visited twice. Three out of four experiments were accurate. The inaccurate one came from the most sceptical person (and even he confirmed an element of my experience to be congruent with recent events in his waking life). We must also take into consideration how people interpret our experiences.
One reported feeling funny around the time of my experience, and, he deliberately interrupted his meditation to say to his girlfriend that he felt funny, as though he was supposed to remember someone or something... around that time, in the dreamworld, I saw him in the meditative position and spoke to him and he spoke back. I came up with the theory at the time that I had had a conversation with a representation of his unconscious self (thus explaining why he did not remember the conversation but why he partially felt something in his meditation).
Perhaps his brainwaves had had changed during meditation and allowed him to partially perceive the mind frequency I was tuned to at the time. Who knows. Maybe him feeling "funny" was nothing but the product of his own intense meditation which coincided with my realistically imagined visit in the lucid dream state.
Another one was CaitHT from Astral Viewers who lives across the Atlantic from me. A lot of the things in my experience coincided with what was on her mind and what the lucid dream version of her said to me, coincided with what she had told her boyfriend at the time when he asked her if she was ok. In the lucid dream, I had also asked her if she was ok.
Maybe there is some truth in what Michael Persinger has claimed lately. The 7 billion brains in this planet are telepathically connected...
It's a possibility. If indeed it was not a fluky streak of coincidences, then I tapped into the minds of the people I decided to visit in the dream world.
Taking the theory of telepathy into account, I would have seen the mental models that the visited created in accordance to their waking experience, and, at times in accordance to their thoughts, dreams or imagination. I just got the impression that my experiences were making more sense to them than me. If the environments I saw in the dream world coincided with what the visited was doing in reality, it was always slightly inaccurate. It was very odd.
For example, in my "visit" to my friend Mike (stoneZoMbIe from Astral Viewers), I saw him sitting on the floor in a meditative position. He had CDs on the floor and a strange burgundy parallelogram-shaped object that looked like a radio and another dark object that I could not tell whether it was a box or a CD folder. I asked him if he was aware of my presence and he looked up and told me that he was. He said he was interested in out-of-body experiences and wished to do the same as me.
I told him that he could and in fact that he already inhabited the realm of the mind, all he needed to do was become aware of it. Let me mention here that his house looked different. It lacked furniture and was devoid of objects. All the walls in the house were light blue. This description is quite symbolic to him and it is a certain detail that I hadn't mentioned to him at first when I called him to tell him about my experience.
When I called him he told me that he was actually sat on the floor at the time, and going through his CDs. Furthermore, he told me he was getting rid of them as a test to prove to himself that he could live without his most cherished possessions as he was getting into Buddhism. However, he mentioned that he did not recall any "mental" conversation.
Then he asked me if his house in my lucid dream was empty. I said yes and he told me that it is symbolic to him because in his mind he is letting go of possessions and yet his mind is at peace. I mentioned that the walls in his house were light blue and he told me that he associates that colour with peace (many people do anyway).
It is clear from this account that I did not see anything physical and this may be due to the fact that sometimes we don't remember physical things accurately and the mental constructs may also get distorted by other thought-forms and symbolism. Either a telepathic link had been established at the time between me and him, OR, my mind simply showed me an excellent analysis of my friend and somehow guessed the activity he was engaged in at the time.
I wonder if lucid dreaming allows to tap into a natural "Mindnet" and if there is some truth to Rupert Sheldrake's theory of "M fields".
I'm not gonna brag here but, I have actually been thinking about the possibility of minds being quantum entangled way before Michael persinger started taking the whole remote viewing thing and telepathy seriously.
I am quite sure it exists, I had one shared dream (Non lucid thoo). I did remember it but the other person didn't but the dream was so unlike my dreams that I doupt it was just a coincidence. Alot of weird stuff in it the other person likes and I think is creepy and the other person acting as the exact copy of himself even thoo I didn't know him much(He told me that that's just the exact stuff he'd do). And yes the dream was annoying a bit as he was the last person I wanted to share dreams with honestly(Almost). That was the only time I think I had a shared dream, dunno why it happened but it did lol.
Okay well look at the dream I had here. Look at Puffin's Dream Here. We were both trying to have shared dreams, and that happened. Weird, right? I don't think it is just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summerlander
I have also been a member of the IOSDP and have been reading all of the results. They are amazing, and this makes me believe in shared dreaming even more :D
very good article I need it Thanks for the post.
Well I for one had a sherd dream with the Capra Demon last night. He kept on kicking my ass, and told me to level up bitch.
No, don't grind! He's a total bitch the first time you face him, but once you figure him out he's pretty easy. Just gotta take out those hounds asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by pointofbeing
As far as Shard Dreaming. I'm extremely skeptical. It's one of those things that I wish were true, but just because I want it to be doesn't mean it is. And I also find it impossible to take somebody's word for it. I will have to experience it myself before I will consider it as a possibility.