I think I found a way to become Lucid every time you dream...

I did a search on the forum and realized that nothing was spoken of Orgonite. Long story short it's the mixture of crystals, metal, resin, and copper coils to create a basic frequency generator. As most will know, crystals vibrate at certain frequencies, orgonite amplifies those frequencies. I've been practicing with a lot of different combinations of crystals and last night went to sleep holding orgonite made with only Rose Quartz.

Generally I get terrible quality sleep. I'll sleep 10-12 hours and feel more tired when I wake up then when I went to sleep and on top of that I toss and turn all night because of general discomfort and back pain.

Well this Orgonite I've made not only gave me some of the best sleep I've had in years (I didn't toss or turn once, I woke up in the same position holding the orgonite that I fell asleep in.) I also had no pain and best of all only slept for 3 hours and feel semi rested.

Here's the best part for all you guys trying to attain lucidity. Rose Quartz was the first crystal I've tested to actually make me lucid every time I fell asleep. It seems I always dream when I'm in contact with orgonite but Rose Quartz was the first crystal I've tested to also make me lucid as well as dream. It was very odd because I haven't been lucid in years. (I haven't really been trying honestly.) Not only did I NOT try any technique to attain lucidity but wasn't even hoping for it. Best part was it seems like every time I went lucid the orgonite kept me dreaming so that my dream didn't collapse or end like it used to when I became lucid. It was odd because it wasn't me who discovered I was dreaming. It was almost like I knew going into a dream that it was a dream. It was hard to explain. It get's better, my brain kept trying to convince me it was a dream and succeed twice only to be nearly immediately reminded by the orgonite I was dreaming again.

Long story short, I will keep testing this theory and keep you guys posted. But so far my findings are as followed:
-It gives you a great quality of sleep free from pain and tossing or turning
-You sleep less. Normally 6-7 hours. It seems like the longer I use it the less sleep I need the following night. So this number may become lower in the future.
-There is a strong detox like effect when in first contact with orgonite. It makes your hand tingle and eventually your entire body will tingle. Hard to believe it doesn't work when you can actually feel it working your body like nothing you've ever felt before.
-Over time you get accustomed to it. Seems to take about a week before you start to feel good from it rather than sick. (I've been told that this is what's called a Healing Crisis which is inherently good.)
-It seems that most orgonite does make you dream more often and help with dream recall. Some stones work better than others for this. So far Brazilian Quartz orgonite works great for ensuring you dream. 100% success in ensuring you will have a dream while holding it. While dream recall for it seems to have doubled. I can always remember twice as much about the dream as I used to. Although I have never became lucid from Brazilian Quartz orgonite.
-Rose Quartz orgonite not only seems to have the generic qualities of Brazilian Quartz but also helps you attain lucidity. I spent half the time I dreaming in a lucid state. Which is a LOT of time. Normally I would get what felt like a few minutes of lucidity and wake up. The orgonite seems to ensure you don't wake up or have your dream collapse. The only way my dream was able to trick me momentarily into believing I wasn't dreaming was when I would fall asleep in my dream and wake up believing that I wasn't dreaming anymore. But even then it was only a short time before the orgonite reminded me I was dreaming again.

The most amazing part of this is I have either been sick or going through a healing crisis from the orgonite but none the less I have had a constant sore throat, a lot of coughing with phlegm coming up and best of all a stuffy runny nose. For all intensive purposes, I should be having the worst sleep of my life. But somehow the orgonite is not only helping me get to sleep but also sleep better than I have in so many years.

I'm not trying to get you to buy anything. The stuff is easy enough to make yourself and even if it comes out crappy looking, it will still work like a blind mule. If you'd like tips on making some yourself then let me know I'll be happy to help. I might be able to make a few of you a piece but I don't have very much spare rose quartz to share and it will probably take me a week or 2 to get more good quality rose quartz in my hands so you'll honestly probably be better off going to a rock and mineral shop and getting your hands on it yourself and making a few pieces for you and your friends. Hopefully I'm not coming off as crazy here but as a guy who loves lucid dreaming, this was the most amazing experience I ever had and had to share it with you guys.

I've heard conflicting information about Rose quartz. A book says like other crystals it is a high vibration stone, therefor it does have qualities that are amplified in orgonite.

On the other hand, an orgonite subject matter expert has said while Rose Quartz is classified as a crystal, Rose quartz is amorphous rather than crystalline in structure and lacks the transforming and piezo electric properties that are exhibited by quartz crystals. So technically I suppose it's closer to a "rock."

Either way it seems to work for a lot of people I've talked to. Perhaps adding a Brazilian quartz to the mix will boost the Rose Quartz power. A test must be done. Should have time in a few days(maybe a week) to build it and try it out. I'll tell you guys about it once I test it out.

The only thing that I think I wouldn't like is the less sleep =D

However, I am a bit skeptical. Sites I found on a quick Google search were making some pretty extreme claims, like this being able to decrease pollution by throwing it in a contaminated area, end droughts, and make your neighbors nicer or move away. That seems very far fetched to me, and I was wondering if maybe you knew a scientific explanation to it. I would be more accepting of the idea it were only a few people making claims like that, and if there is a legit scientific explanation. You said that it is a frequency generator, do you think it is the frequencies that are getting you lucid, or the "orgone energies." If you think it is the energy, can you tell me what exactly orgone energy is?

Piezo electric properties that are exhibited by quartz crystals. Long story short this is a sort of "power under pressure" or closely described as an emission of energy under pressure. Crystals such as quartz all have a power inside of them programmed by earth, sounds far fetched but old radios used to be powered by nothing but quartz crystals. You needed special low power headphones just to use the radio because the volume and power was soo low. Haha

Either way this power is a frequency. As we all know with frequencies in our brains, some will aid in sleep and so on. The problem with Binaural Beats is that the quality of the audio, decoder, and headphones all need to be of the highest degree to get the full effect. Even then some claim it's just placebo. Crystals actually emit frequencies. That is based in science and proven.

Now when it comes to orgonite... the discoverer of it, Wilheim Reich went all out in his Orgone inventions. Even building crazy boxes and machine gun looking orgone busting boxes.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/health/...loudbuster.jpg

Believe what you want but the discover of this stuff had a conviction like a ravenous wolf. That is the spiritual side. Now here comes the science...

When resin hardens it actually compresses. This compression is exactly what a crystal needs to activate the Piezo electric properties of quartz. Mixed in with metal and a copper coil (Copper coils are used to amplify and direct the flow of energy but are not necessarily required) creates an energy that most can feel. Seems about 75% of the people I show it to can feel it. They describe it as a tingle they feel up their arm and like that of your hand falling asleep. Sounds odd but seeing is believing after all. ;)

Lastly I wish I could tell you for sure if it was the crystals frequency causing the lucidity or the orgone or perhaps even a combination of each. But honestly I don't know. All I know is when I hold onto it, my whole body tingles and I sleep like a baby. Haha Actually when I first got into it the orgonite I was making was so strong that it actually hurt a bit to hold onto the orgonite. Felt like large prickly needles mixed with a dull pain. Hard to explain but once I got accustomed to it it stopped hurting. :)

Also I've seen some people apply clamps to crystals to bring about the Piezo electric properties. It looks terrible but I've heard good things. It might be something to try on a budget. I'll stick to my tried and true orgonite. After all... as they say, if its not broke then don't fix it. Haha I haven't lucid dreamed like that before and I didn't even think it was possible. The only thing I did was sleep with my orgonite. So you be the judge. I'm not saying go out and buy some. That can be expensive. Make some instead. It will cost you 30 bucks in materials to make them and test them out for yourself. If anything it will be a fun project and a neat conversational piece if you put it on a table when guests are around.

I'm all for alternative's to everything... not sure I believe in crystals, etc., but I AM open to the idea. I try EVERYTHING to increase my chanced of lucidity (I even have a pyramid aligned with NESW underneath my head under the bed... which seems to help (might just be a placebo effect). Can you give me a break down of everything you need, how to make it, and how much it will cost? If it's reasonable to try, I'll do it.

All you need are these few things:

Fiberglass Resin - Home Depot - 12 bucks

About 2-4 feet of 10 gauge copper wire. The shorter the wire the easier it will be to coil without having slack. - Home Depot - 1 or 2 bucks

Copper plated steel BBs, honestly I don't know if the copper plated is necessary but that's what I use. - Walmart - 9 bucks (Get the american made copperhead BBs) They cost 50 cents more.

1 large Clear quartz crystal about 1 inch wide and 2-3 inch tall. Then 6-9 small fingernail sized rose quartz. My orgonite doesn't have the large clear quartz and still works but adding the clear quartz should in concept make it stronger. It's up to you. If you want to go my route then just get 15 small fingernail sized rose quartz. - Rock or mineral store - 6-8 bucks. Or buy somewhere online. Honestly I like to support the small businesses when I can.

1 large martini shaped glass. It should be shaped as closely as possible to a perfect cone. - 99 cent store... you guessed it 99 cents. Hahaha

Some latex gloves and a breather mask - Home Depot for breather mask, walmart for latex gloves - 3-6 bucks. Resin is a type of poison before it hardens so you don't want to get in on your skin or inhale it. Better safe then sorry.

As for instructions to make it... How to Make Orgonite "Holy Handgrenades" (HHg's) Skip steps 1 and 2 since you'll be using a martini glass.There are good youtube videos as well in case you like to see video instead.

Or if people want some I can make it. 30 bucks plus shipping. Although I wont have enough crystal to make any for a week or 2. So you might want to try your hand at making some if your up for it. :)

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I'm all for alternative's to everything... not sure I believe in crystals, etc., but I AM open to the idea. I try EVERYTHING to increase my chanced of lucidity (I even have a pyramid aligned with NESW underneath my head under the bed... which seems to help (might just be a placebo effect). Can you give me a break down of everything you need, how to make it, and how much it will cost? If it's reasonable to try, I'll do it.

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Honestly, before someone showed me this stuff if you would have told me crystals had frequencies and about orgonite then I would have called the police and said a man escaped the insane asylum and is talking to me. Hahaha The stuff works. You have to try and see it. It really is amazing that something so far fetched actually works. Hahaha

Love the idea. I probably won't do anything with it anytime soon, but I'll definitely keep this in mind.

Not commenting on the lucidity part, sleeping for more than 8 hours makes you feel tired, thats why only sleeping 7 hours felt better, not some crystal stuff but just plain biology, some people rest better at 6 hours of sleep.

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Love the idea. I probably won't do anything with it anytime soon, but I'll definitely keep this in mind.

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Glad I could get the creative juices churning. Don't be afraid to ask me for some tips if you find yourself curious about it. :)

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Not commenting on the lucidity part, sleeping for more than 8 hours makes you feel tired, thats why only sleeping 7 hours felt better, not some crystal stuff but just plain biology, some people rest better at 6 hours of sleep.

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As I said, I slept that long because of the terrible quality of sleep I was getting. I tossed and turned all night and therefor had to sleep longer to feel like anything close to 7 or 8 hours of sleep. I'm not trying to sell you anything, just offering an experience. That's all. :) Make some yourself and try it before you dismiss it. I didn't believe it at first either so I know how you feel. I have never slept in the same place all throughout the night. The first night I slept with my orgonite I did not toss or turn or even move my head once. My hands were even in the same place I left them. I know because my left hand was still on the orgonite when I woke up. Haha

hi there

i would like to give my opinion to this controversial topic wether Orgonite works or not.

first of all let me say that i am a academic scientist (a physicist exactly) at a University.
for the most scientists Orgonite doesnt exist and is claimed as hoax in the world of modern and "serious" science. i dont want to tell you why nowadays science doesnt belive in such paranormal stuff - this would take too long but the only thing i can tell you is that the main reason is money/lobbyism and the fear of many colleagues to lose their jobs or being claimed as fools.

so let me say something about orgonite....
i´ve been doing studies in paranormal phenomena for many years now. i also came across the energy fields of animate and inamite matter. at the beginnig of my studies i was sceptical about things would emitt their own field. so i did measurements on crystals and so on and came to the conclusion that objects really have a "shield" or field or aura if you want to say. i can remember my friend once showed me a big rose quartz and i measured it. i was very excited how strong its field was. the list of measuring objects/subjects would be endless but after a while i stopped because i proved to myself that this phenomena exists.

to be very honest i havent tested a Orgonite yet but as i said every thing has its own field which is also called Orgon in literature.

so congrats Bogalu about your experience/discovery and to be very honest i was going to do the same test in somewhen in the future. now i am sure that this lead me to success.

cheers
SA

PS: you can PM if you have interest

i forgot to claim that there had been experiments with gemstones and crystals. i also did some research which i forgot about it :D

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/gemsto...reaming-90649/

my studies will go on on this field

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Originally Posted by SonatArctica

hi there

i would like to give my opinion to this controversial topic wether Orgonite works or not.

first of all let me say that i am a academic scientist (a physicist exactly) at a University.
for the most scientists Orgonite doesnt exist and is claimed as hoax in the world of modern and "serious" science. i dont want to tell you why nowadays science doesnt belive in such paranormal stuff - this would take too long but the only thing i can tell you is that the main reason is money/lobbyism and the fear of many colleagues to lose their jobs or being claimed as fools.

so let me say something about orgonite....
i´ve been doing studies in paranormal phenomena for many years now. i also came across the energy fields of animate and inamite matter. at the beginnig of my studies i was sceptical about things would emitt their own field. so i did measurements on crystals and so on and came to the conclusion that objects really have a "shield" or field or aura if you want to say. i can remember my friend once showed me a big rose quartz and i measured it. i was very excited how strong its field was. the list of measuring objects/subjects would be endless but after a while i stopped because i proved to myself that this phenomena exists.

to be very honest i havent tested a Orgonite yet but as i said every thing has its own field which is also called Orgon in literature.

so congrats Bogalu about your experience/discovery and to be very honest i was going to do the same test in somewhen in the future. now i am sure that this lead me to success.

cheers
SA

PS: you can PM if you have interest

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It's funny you mentioned lobbying and other sources for the reason more people don't know about these things. As someone who I suppose you can call "Spiritual" to put it kindly about these sort of things you happen to find yourself amongst like minded people. Amongst these people you hear about conspiracies and all sorts of crazy things. I don't try to get myself involved in that sort of thing but maybe there is more to it then I thought. If your interested it in it then I would love to work with you about it. I really don't try to make much money if any at all on the orgonite I make so if you would like some pieces to test I would be happy to make some for you to try out for basically just the cost of materials.

Seems that most of the close minded people that hear about these things aren't closed minded by nature but have been "trained" to believe that things such as energy fields and paranormal and ect. don't exist by the lack of government admittance that these things exist. Many people lead lives with the logic that "if the government doesn't say it exists then it must not exist" which is sad but it seems over time more and more people are starting to come around to these things. Plus it helps to create something that has shock value like orgonite. I've had people say "I don't believe in that stuff" and all I say in return is "Just put your hand on it and then tell me that these things don't exist" more often then not it makes non believers into believers. :)

Sonat, all orgonite does is boost the power of the crystals that were mentioned in the article you provided. It also seems to make the environment better wherever it may sit. That could just be placebo effect but I happen to believe its true based on the premise that most others, including myself, can feel orgonite in action. Most people I know including myself for the longest time cant feel a crystals aura or energy. But when that crystal is placed in orgonite it boosts the crystals power by multitudes. That boost allows people to feel a crystals energy. That is what orgonite does in the basic extent.

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As I said, I slept that long because of the terrible quality of sleep I was getting. I tossed and turned all night and therefor had to sleep longer to feel like anything close to 7 or 8 hours of sleep. I'm not trying to sell you anything, just offering an experience. That's all. :) Make some yourself and try it before you dismiss it. I didn't believe it at first either so I know how you feel. I have never slept in the same place all throughout the night. The first night I slept with my orgonite I did not toss or turn or even move my head once. My hands were even in the same place I left them. I know because my left hand was still on the orgonite when I woke up. Haha

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Dismiss? I passed you some facts and nothing else, if you think it can be dismissed it says much about the technique <.<
Anyway it wouldn't do much if I tried, already have regular lucidity and natural recall, so yeah would need to induce terrible stress to test it, thats why I am not commenting on whether this gives lucidity or not.

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Dismiss? I passed you some facts and nothing else, if you think it can be dismissed it says much about the technique <.<
Anyway it wouldn't do much if I tried, already have regular lucidity and natural recall, so yeah would need to induce terrible stress to test it, thats why I am not commenting on whether this gives lucidity or not.

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I didn't mean to come off in any way as a attack on you. Sorry if I did. And congrats on the success in lucidity! I find it exhilarating when I become lucid. Much envy to you. :) Even if your not interested in the benefits orgonite may add to lucidity, it still has many great effects on overall health. If you'd ever like to know more feel free to PM me. Hope to hear from you. :)

I'm afraid this thread has intrigued me enough to ask questions despite my disagreement with most of what has been said.
To Bogalu: Can you identify the type of "energy" that you claim you feel in your arm? Is it visible? Willheim Reich described orgon energy as a visible, calculable energy in his proposed theory.
To SonatArctica: Would you be willing to describe your "measurements on crystals"? If so, what setting did you conduct these measurements in, and what measurements did you take and how? Don't hold back on the science, you interested me.

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I'm afraid this thread has intrigued me enough to ask questions despite my disagreement with most of what has been said.
To Bogalu: Can you identify the type of "energy" that you claim you feel in your arm? Is it visible? Willheim Reich described orgon energy as a visible, calculable energy in his proposed theory.

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The energy feels different depending on the crystals and construction. Most people who have never been subjected to feeling any type of energy before describe it as a tingle like their hand falls asleep. This tingle slowly creeps up their arm the longer they hold it. Eventually the energy can make your whole body tingle in 20-40 minutes of constant contact.

The energy that encompasses you from those who claim to be able to see auras and energy has most often been white, orange, and sometimes purple. But depending on the energy being emitted the color can be anything. For a more scientific look at it, Kirlian cameras that capture energy that emanates from humans, plants, animals and so on have seen extremely strong energy coming from orgonite devices.

This picture is of a orgonite pendant with copper shavings...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/...d7f5f4a2a1.jpg

This image is the energy coming from a typical human finger...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/...f9b87d1202.jpg

Long story short, the pendent emits a field of energy far surpassing that of our own energy field. With that being the case these devices "charge" our energy field making us healthier and more resistant to harmful frequencies such as WiFi, Radio, Cell Phone, ect. The pendant being photographed is small as well. Larger orgonite devices emit a much stronger field of energy.

In science it is fact that our bodies are governed by the Schumann frequency at 7.83 mhz. It is radiated from earth. From being subjected to so many unnatural frequencies like the above listed we have a hard time keeping in contact with the Schumann frequency. A clinical study showed that every single person in the control study who were completely blocked from the Schumann frequency became extremely sick and depressed. It also caused insomnia and can cause much worse problems. It causes too many problems to list. It governs brain and cell activity and without it we cannot live. Many say the main reason we have the psychological problems and health problems that we have today is because we have a hard time trying to maintain contact with Schumann frequency. Orgonite emits a positive frequency of energy and is supposed to "filter" bad frequencies. Most notice dramatic changes in contact with orgonite in a short period of time. That's all I really know.

"A clinical study"
While I peruse the rest of your post, do you have a link to that or any info about it so I can find it?

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"A clinical study"
While I peruse the rest of your post, do you have a link to that or any info about it so I can find it?

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The Chinese teachings state that to achieve perfect health, both signals must be in balance. Dr Ludwig found that this is indeed the case. He writes in his book `Informative Medizin' that research carried out by E.Jacobi at the University of Duesseldorf showed that the one sided use of Schumann (YANG) wave simulation without the geomagnetic (YIN) signal caused serious health problems. On the other hand, the absence of Schumann waves creates a similar situation. Professor R.Wever from the Max Planck Institute for Behavioural Physiology in Erling-Andechs, built an underground bunker which completely screened out magnetic fields. Student volunteers lived there for four weeks in this hermetically sealed environment. Professor Wever noted that the student's circadian rhythms diverged and that they suffered emotional distress and migraine headaches. As they were young and healthy, no serious health conditions arose, which would not have been the case with older people or people with a compromised immune system. After only a brief exposure to 7.8 Hz (the very frequency which had been screened out), the volunteers health stabilized again.

This is the study I was talking about only shortened. I cant seem to remember where I found the full study paper with all the results. Sorry about that but if your really interested maybe the above info can help you find the original study information. The original study is definitely an interesting read to say the least. Hope I helped. :)

I seemed to have gotten the Shumann frequency wrong. I thought it was 7.83 Mhz, it's actually 7.83 Hz. My apologies but for info I just plucked from memory I think I was pretty close. :) Haha

Well I found about 20 websites with the same abstract of the study but none of them have further info or citations about it. Regardless, I understand that Schumann's resonances do have an affect on the body, but some of this just doesn't make sense to me since I don't have any prior knowledge specific to this. I suppose anything is possible, must keep an open mind and yada-yada. Whatever works for you.

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Well I found about 20 websites with the same abstract of the study but none of them have further info or citations about it. Regardless, I understand that Schumann's resonances do have an affect on the body, but some of this just doesn't make sense to me since I don't have any prior knowledge specific to this. I suppose anything is possible, must keep an open mind and yada-yada. Whatever works for you.

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If you ever find yourself curious about orgonite feel free to PM me or just message back with questions. I'll be happy to try to answer anything you have in mind. :)

Moved to BD.

Update. I've just took another nap with the orgonite and nothing happened this time around. I did dream but don't even remember enough for a DJ. Could of just been that the first time was a fluke. I am extremely sick now though. Migraine, coughing up mucus/phlegm, general weakness, stuffy runny nose, ect. I was surprised I was even able to sleep. I haven't been this sick in a very long time. I still believe it's a healing crisis but none the less, I fell like crap.

I went to sleep feeling almost twice as terrible as the night before. I don't know if that prevented the orgonite from providing lucidity and dream recall. I woke up feeling surprisingly worse then when I went to bed. At this rate, a week from now I'll be dead. Haha ;) I did sleep semi restful. I barley moved at all thanks to the orgonite. The only reason I did move was due to my nose running or plugging up and needing a tissue.

As soon as I feel better I'll try again, I have a feeling I won't be getting any LDs when I feel like this. Haha I should be happy I'm getting any sleep at all.

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Update. I've just took another nap with the orgonite and nothing happened this time around. I did dream but don't even remember enough for a DJ. Could of just been that the first time was a fluke. I am extremely sick now though. Migraine, coughing up mucus/phlegm, general weakness, stuffy runny nose, ect. I was surprised I was even able to sleep. I haven't been this sick in a very long time. I still believe it's a healing crisis but none the less, I fell like crap.

I went to sleep feeling almost twice as terrible as the night before. I don't know if that prevented the orgonite from providing lucidity and dream recall. I woke up feeling surprisingly worse then when I went to bed. At this rate, a week from now I'll be dead. Haha ;) I did sleep semi restful. I barley moved at all thanks to the orgonite. The only reason I did move was due to my nose running or plugging up and needing a tissue.

As soon as I feel better I'll try again, I have a feeling I won't be getting any LDs when I feel like this. Haha I should be happy I'm getting any sleep at all.

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I don't want to come across as a hater of things like healing crisis, but I don't think being this sick is because of holding a piece of orgonite while falling asleep. I recommend seeing a doctor.

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I don't want to come across as a hater of things like healing crisis, but I don't think being this sick is because of holding a piece of orgonite while falling asleep. I recommend seeing a doctor.

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You'd be surprised. Most people that have experiences with orgonite describe the same thing. We call it the "vibrational flu." Hahaha You can check out the link to see a website that describes everything from my new sleep patterns, I've been sleeping in 3 hour blocks, to my healing crisis. All explainable. Plus my sore throat has nearly went away so I'm getting better and worse at the same time. Haha

Here's the link... View topic - SYMPTOMS OF SPIRITUAL AWAKENING - Forum for Orgonite and Tactical Orgone Gifting, How to make Cloud Busters (CBs), HHGs, and Succor Punches. Orgonite gifters, HAARP, Tesla, and Radionics discussion. Warrior Matrix.

mmmm for something like that , we could try wiring ourselves with a 9v batery :P and going to sleep

Um, given the plethora of LD'ing techniques, machines, etc, that are available, does it really make sense to use a device that makes you sick?

Not sure I'm catching the upside here...

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To SonatArctica: Would you be willing to describe your "measurements on crystals"? If so, what setting did you conduct these measurements in, and what measurements did you take and how? Don't hold back on the science, you interested me.

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Well, actually it is still "pseudoscience" what i am doing in this field because there are no "true" scientific devices out there yet to serve any objective data. the whole measurements were all of subjective nature but this doesnt matter to me since i am proud of getting positive results.

i am using a haribo tweezers (you often find it in haribo boxes to take out the candies). i hold it slightly between thumb and forefinger and glide over the object without touching it. i immediately feel a sensation at this place, sometimes stronger sometimes weaker it depends on the object´s energy field.

this is all what i am doing nothing extraordinary but it gives a prove of such phenomena.

i can tell everyone not to believe in such things but be open-minded and take the courage to prove it to yourself. you dont have to convince someone else. do it for expanding your consciousness!

best wishes
SA

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i am using a haribo tweezers (you often find it in haribo boxes to take out the candies). i hold it slightly between thumb and forefinger and glide over the object without touching it. i immediately feel a sensation at this place, sometimes stronger sometimes weaker it depends on the object´s energy field.

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These tweezers act as a miniature version of a divining rod - just for clearing this up ;)

forgot to clear up something very important...

i´ve read such words as "piezoelectricity" in this thread, "electrostatic forces, and so on..." in other forums.

the whole phenomena regarding Orgon energy, bioplasm, Od, Ether (including all the other descriptions for the same thing) doesnt concern any piezoelectricity, electrostatic or magnetic forces.
Orgon is...well, let me say, the primary energy source which can be divided in all known forces you want to speak respectively Orgon has the ability to become matter.
imagine a machine or a living being which/who is able to create a very dense Orgon field...this Orgon energy would get denser and denser till it condensate into matter.
what i want to say is, there will be machines in the future which can create matter of every kind but first of all we must find a way to produce immense amounts of Orgon. and of course there will be humans (including me :D) who can materialize things with just their mind. this is just a question of time and not of true or false.
just prove it to yourself...all of you!

peace
SA

This is the first time I have come across rose quartz being useful for inducing lucidity. So last night I charged and programmed a piece of rose quartz that I have. I slept with it under my pillow. I had plenty of dreams in my regular sleep and with WBTB but I didn't achieve lucidity.

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mmmm for something like that , we could try wiring ourselves with a 9v batery :P and going to sleep

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Surprisingly, using a 9v battery to power lemurian crystals or just plain Brazilian Quartz has yielded amazing results when accomplished using an in line 15mhz frequency generator wrapped around the crystal with a mobius coil. Basically the 9v battery powers the frequency generator and that generator then uses the mobius coil to activate the crystals natural energy, or thereby "amplifying" the energy the crystal already has available. I've never tried myself but all who said they have say it works extremely well. I don't know the exact science but that's the way I understand it.

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Um, given the plethora of LD'ing techniques, machines, etc, that are available, does it really make sense to use a device that makes you sick?

Not sure I'm catching the upside here...

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The device doesn't really make you sick. The temporary sickness can be compared to that of taking "detox" products that give you diarrhea, throw up, ect. The only difference is, orgonites detox effect seems to be much more profound and noticeable. I'm finally starting to feel better. Still feel a bit under the weather but definitely better now then the day before. Haha

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forgot to clear up something very important...

i´ve read such words as "piezoelectricity" in this thread, "electrostatic forces, and so on..." in other forums.

the whole phenomena regarding Orgon energy, bioplasm, Od, Ether (including all the other descriptions for the same thing) doesnt concern any piezoelectricity, electrostatic or magnetic forces.
Orgon is...well, let me say, the primary energy source which can be divided in all known forces you want to speak respectively Orgon has the ability to become matter.
imagine a machine or a living being which/who is able to create a very dense Orgon field...this Orgon energy would get denser and denser till it condensate into matter.
what i want to say is, there will be machines in the future which can create matter of every kind but first of all we must find a way to produce immense amounts of Orgon. and of course there will be humans (including me :D) who can materialize things with just their mind. this is just a question of time and not of true or false.
just prove it to yourself...all of you!

peace
SA

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There is 2 classes of orgonite. Original orgonite was made with just layers of metal and resin. The "new gen" orgonite is typically now made with the addition of crystals. When speaking of piezoelectricity, I am doing so in describing the "new gen" orgonite. Piezoelectric qualities have been proven in crystals. When force is exerted on crystals, energy in the form of electricity is actually created. Mind you in extremely small quantities, but nevertheless actually there. When resin in liquid form hardens, it actually compresses. This compression is what activates the piezoelectric qualities of crystals. This compression is what is supposed to make the crystal "amplify" it's energy. It also seems to be noted that while in a mixture of orgonite, may it be the metal inside, or perhaps a combination of the metal and resin, the crystal is boosted furthermore then just that of the natural compression exerted on the crystal.

The original orgonite, while having a very positive effect and energy, doesn't have such a profound effect as the "new gen" orgonite. Consider the "new gen" orgonite as "orgonite V2."

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This is the first time I have come across rose quartz being useful for inducing lucidity. So last night I charged and programmed a piece of rose quartz that I have. I slept with it under my pillow. I had plenty of dreams in my regular sleep and with WBTB but I didn't achieve lucidity.

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I heard golden yellow danburite works the best of any crystal for lucid dreaming, especially in combination with Scolecite or Seraphinite. I will be trying to get my hands on all these crystals and be combining them into one piece of orgonite. If anything could possibly guarantee lucidity, this combo of crystals should be it. :)

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The device doesn't really make you sick. The temporary sickness can be compared to that of taking "detox" products that give you diarrhea, throw up, ect. The only difference is, orgonites detox effect seems to be much more profound and noticeable. I'm finally starting to feel better. Still feel a bit under the weather but definitely better now then the day before. Haha

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So, things like diarrhea, vomiting, etc do not equal being sick? In your book, maybe; not most others'. I really don't think that is a very good selling point for orgonite; most people have little interest -- rightfully so -- in even the shortest periods of "side effects." You might consider downplaying the detox angle a bit!

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So, things like diarrhea, vomiting, etc do not equal being sick? In your book, maybe; not most others'. I really don't think that is a very good selling point for orgonite; most people have little interest -- rightfully so -- in even the shortest periods of "side effects." You might consider downplaying the detox angle a bit!

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Have you ever taken a colon cleansing product? Not fun stuff if you have. Haha Any sort of detox product gives you the appearance of being sick but all it is just the detox effect taking place. They are not side effects but is actually the intention of the product. When your body rids itself of toxins, those toxins were in fact the same things that made you sick from an earlier period. So aggravating these toxins gives then one more shot to ravage you before your body expels them. Just the process of cleaning out your body tires you out immensely, let alone what toxins may be unearthed one last time to take a bite out of your immune system on it's way out. Haha This is termed as a "healing crisis." The same effect takes place with orgonite, only stronger. But once it's over you feel better than you ever had before. Even though I'm still feel pretty sick I already feel stronger and more clear headed then I did before. Almost like a "fog" has been lifted. Seems hard to describe.

I'll tell you more about it once I'm done with this "healing crisis."

^^ I was never much of a fan of colon-cleansing either, but I do understand your point, Bogalu. I look forward to your post-healing-crisis report...

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I heard golden yellow danburite works the best of any crystal for lucid dreaming, especially in combination with Scolecite or Seraphinite. I will be trying to get my hands on all these crystals and be combining them into one piece of orgonite. If anything could possibly guarantee lucidity, this combo of crystals should be it. :)

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Interesting. I combined a herkimer diamond, amethyst and another stone that I can't remember the name of. Works well at amplifying my intent. However if my initial intent isn't that strong then no lucids for me. Interestingly if I have the correct level of intent and I don't use the crystals then no lucids, but with the stones it works really well to bring multiple lucid dreams per night.

I guess this is a bit of a bump, but I ordered one of these things last week and it came in today. I haven't noticed anything too special about it just yet, but I'll be posting results here if I have any. :)

They are cheap if you know where to look, too. This was 14 bucks, including shipping.

While I haven't ever used orgonite, I have heard that it is generally a terrible idea to sleep in their proximity. Based on my limited understanding of energy work, this makes sense.

Your going to sleep. Sleep involves the releasing of muscular tension, the slight slowing down of metabolic processes and most significently, a big reduction of brain activity. Your brain, can't slow down if your being stimulated. Subtle energy stimulates nerves. Orgonite allegedly has a shit-load of energy. Result: sleep bad. Your brief burst of prodigious lucid dreaming was probably a result of both the increased activity of your brain, the stimulation of your third eye and the strong placebo effect of your strong belief in orgonite being benificial to your sleep.

A possible remedy that I just pulled out of my ass is to connect your organite to an ossiloscope and set it to send a low voltage pulsed dc current phased as a square wave at a low frequency (I'll leave the frequency choice up to you? Perhaps 7.8 hz for obvious reasons). If your wondering why square waves over the "purer" sine waves, its the same reason why isochronic tones beat binaural. The steep drops in voltage that a square wave produces should entrain the crystal far more effectivly then the gradual sloping of the sine waves. Enough armchair blueprinting from me though,first course of action for you is stop sleeping in such close proximity to it.

Edit: Crap forgot to read the last post's date :P. I dont really want to delete my post though so screw it! Sorry about the bumping

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Edit: Crap forgot to read the last post's date :P. I dont really want to delete my post though so screw it! Sorry about the bumping

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No worries...it was an interesting idea, and maybe now Bogalu will respond so we can see if he's still "With us." ;)

For the curious... I never made a follow-up post because I never had any results. There was no boost to my lucid dreaming or even recall. Then again, I didn't have any physical illness symptoms either. It was as if the thing was never even there. Basically a waste of money, but at least it looks kinda cool.

Given how cheap the thing was, I'm willing to accept that it might have been defective, somehow. I wouldn't know. I'm not so willing to give it another try, though. I'll stick with things that I'll do myself, instead of relying on some external device that doesn't seem to work.

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For the curious... I never made a follow-up post because I never had any results. There was no boost to my lucid dreaming or even recall. Then again, I didn't have any physical illness symptoms either. It was as if the thing was never even there. Basically a waste of money, but at least it looks kinda cool.

Given how cheap the thing was, I'm willing to accept that it might have been defective, somehow. I wouldn't know. I'm not so willing to give it another try, though. I'll stick with things that I'll do myself, instead of relying on some external device that doesn't seem to work.

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In any "alternate medicine", one must be wary of snake oil merchents. Look up the mechanics of orgone. If you think the idea holds possible weight, build a device yourself. They aren't that difficult to make and if it doesn't work, at least you can publicly refute an idea without second thoughts and thats a privilage thats greater then you think.

Of course I'll have to admit to being a massive hypocrite in this regard as I've never given orgone a go. I can partly justify this as I have to accomplish things which I am certain hold weight and I'm leaving the zany for the end of that list.

I'm still in college, so I don't really have a spot to mix all this stuff together, nor the time. I don't know if the principles make sense to me because I've never done anything with crystals on their own, either. Perhaps in 6 months' time I can come back to it, but like you I'm preoccupied with other things for now.

Bogalu, could you put up a photo of your orgonite here?