Astra projecting. Mastered, and open to all. What would you do with the gift/ability ?

Before anyone jumps on this thread saying " It is not possible " the topic is started as a purely fictional story.

Lets say that one of DV members finds that from a Lucid dream, he/she can actualy detach from their body, and roam the planet.
They can travel at high speeds, and pass through any object, or wall, etc.
If they felt inclined, they could enter your dream, and teach you how to do the same thing.
So far they are so awe struck, that they have not put their gift to any use, except observation of natures events

If you had the opportunity to learn such a skill, what use would you put it to ?

A few examples

1 : Wealth - Find lost treasures from the past, and become rich beyond belief. Lost gold / sunken ships.
2 : Knowledge -Explore the sea bed for new, and exotic life forms. Improve biologies knowledhe base x 1000
3 : Misc' -Become a detective, and find any missing person in the world.
4 : Disclosure - Do an Edward Snowden, and make many truths available to the world. Not just government crap.
5 : Health - Find tumors in patients, or other problems. Vastly improve medical knowledge
6 : Energy - Discover any unknown oil fields, or gas supplies
7 : Prove the existance of life after death, and end many religous conflicts. Probably start a few as well.
8 : Not let anyone know, and build up your wealth, and power
9 : Become a SPY for your country. This one might get you isolated to area 51 for the rest of your life.

I am sure there are many more ideas out there.
Remember, you can not interact with the world in astral form.

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I would start closest to home and radiating outward find any person abducted and held prisoner ( like the three ladies in Ohio) and make sure the capture was caught and the persons freed.

Hi Tired Phil,

Funny I just read your oldish post tonight. Just yesterday I thought for myself why anyone wants to learn how to control how to astro-travel. I have to admit that it would be a really cool thing to know and master. But apart from that, as far as what you can do when you are out of your body and free to explore beyond space and time I don't see that you really need to astro-travel to gain all that information and do all those things that you listed. And excuse me again for my opinion because it's probably not the most common opinion about this matter. But I think you can just achieve all those things by just staying in your body and get into a deep state of mind. When you are there, you simply ask for what you desire to know or accomplish and it will come to you (with some practice). Nonetheless, being detached to the body feels really incredible and I wish everyone can experience that.

Boson

duuude, if I masted AP and I would probably try to pop in and out of existence just to prove to people that things like this do exist. #4 and #7 is what I had in mind if I could do that. No need for technology, just discipline and focus. and not to be random but right now technology is trying to make virtual reality a real thing for people, and I always thought, dang...technology is trying hard to achieve something everyone can already do. I mean don't get me wrong technology and the internet is cool, but shoot...bending reality with others is even cooler.

(Edit) oh just read that last part..about we can't interfere with the real world...dang it!! my whole point ..ruined.

I would I don't know be so much happy that I could cry out loud from happiness lolz :D and then have some fun and idk.... be a super hero lol :D

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Hi Tired Phil,

Funny I just read your oldish post tonight. Just yesterday I thought for myself why anyone wants to learn how to control how to astro-travel. I have to admit that it would be a really cool thing to know and master. But apart from that, as far as what you can do when you are out of your body and free to explore beyond space and time I don't see that you really need to astro-travel to gain all that information and do all those things that you listed. And excuse me again for my opinion because it's probably not the most common opinion about this matter. But I think you can just achieve all those things by just staying in your body and get into a deep state of mind. When you are there, you simply ask for what you desire to know or accomplish and it will come to you (with some practice). Nonetheless, being detached to the body feels really incredible and I wish everyone can experience that.

Boson

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I do not know what is your knowledge background about this, but you are definitely right. Most probably this is the way it happens, astral projection and OBE's might bring you to your own imagined world. Finding answers somewhere from beyond might be the only way to do it.

Hello flowofmysoul,

I was just writing from my own personal experiences about this.

Boson

Hi luckiestguy,

Yeah, perhaps you cannot interfere but I believe you can certainly create your own future by the power of your own will. Some people say that you cannot change anything in your life because it's already pre-determined but I don't think I agree with that. As I just typed that I thought about another aspect of OBE, which is not talked about very often: If you are ever in temporary excruciating pain, you can leave your body and that way you feel no pain. So learning the skill how leave your body is not just for view or simply a cool thing to know. Just wanted to mention that even though you may already know about all this.

Boson

hello Boson :D

hmm but isn't that kinda of interfering with reality already if we change our own future? and I'm like half and half with the predetermine thing, because on one side i could be lazy and just do whatever comes but then I feel like that's too easy or doesn't make much sense because of a lot of loops holes and excuses for the evil in this world. wait..so i guess im agreeing with you there haha. and about the AP thing, definitely, I never experiences an OBE before so I can't say a lot on the matter, but i have read that people going in surgery or having near death experiences and that happened to them, i get kinda freaked though cause i read that APing opens a door for demons to at get you. but then again, I read you can ask for protection from God so..i'll probably try that. I'm sure missing out though.

Hi luckiestguy,

I would be happy to reply on your reply below.

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hello Boson :D

hmm but isn't that kinda of interfering with reality already if we change our own future? and I'm like half and half with the predetermine thing, because on one side i could be lazy and just do whatever comes but then I feel like that's too easy or doesn't make much sense because of a lot of loops holes and excuses for the evil in this world. wait..so i guess im agreeing with you there haha. and about the AP thing, definitely, I never experiences an OBE before so I can't say a lot on the matter, but i have read that people going in surgery or having near death experiences and that happened to them, i get kinda freaked though cause i read that APing opens a door for demons to at get you. but then again, I read you can ask for protection from God so..i'll probably try that. I'm sure missing out though.

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Here is what I think about interfering with your own future. I think you do have many choices in life that you can make. At any given moment you can make a choice from many options and that will steer your life into a slightly different direction. Lets assume your life has already been written before you were born and there are certain things that you are here on Earth to live this life in order to experience certain things, perhaps you can call them learning experiences for your soul. But there are many roads to take from point A to point B. If you so wish you may take a detour by making a choice that may not be the choice to get you fastest from A to B, what I would call the enlightened ideal path. So even though you have the freedom to exercise your free will at any time, and I don't mean small stuff that choosing between eating an apple or a banana, you will still end up where you were supposed to be some time in the future. That's how I see it.

You are right on about what you call demons. I am just lazy and call every energy that may be harmful or disruptive "bad" energy. I am not much interested in that stuff myself. It's just destructive forces that's for no good. As far as my own belief goes, there is no more powerful source than the Divine Universal energy, that you may call God if you wish. Any being/energy associated with the Divine Light will work fine for protection, cleansing, healing, etc. It doesn't really have to be very complicated.

I hope I am making some sense of what I wrote. This is my own belief.

Boson

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Hi luckiestguy,

I would be happy to reply on your reply below.



Here is what I think about interfering with your own future. I think you do have many choices in life that you can make. At any given moment you can make a choice from many options and that will steer your life into a slightly different direction. Lets assume your life has already been written before you were born and there are certain things that you are here on Earth to live this life in order to experience certain things, perhaps you can call them learning experiences for your soul. But there are many roads to take from point A to point B. If you so wish you may take a detour by making a choice that may not be the choice to get you fastest from A to B, what I would call the enlightened ideal path. So even though you have the freedom to exercise your free will at any time, and I don't mean small stuff that choosing between eating an apple or a banana, you will still end up where you were supposed to be some time in the future. That's how I see it.

You are right on about what you call demons. I am just lazy and call every energy that may be harmful or disruptive "bad" energy. I am not much interested in that stuff myself. It's just destructive forces that's for no good. As far as my own belief goes, there is no more powerful source than the Divine Universal energy, that you may call God if you wish. Any being/energy associated with the Divine Light will work fine for protection, cleansing, healing, etc. It doesn't really have to be very complicated.

I hope I am making some sense of what I wrote. This is my own belief.

Boson

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ohh nice explanation i totally got your point about changing our future. hmm...i wonder which road im on then..path of power or truth....you got me thinking now but somehow i feel like i already know (path to power..:eek:). so like all roads leads to the same place, just you get to pick which road u wanna take. so like there's a balance of sort and when we take the path that somehow makes us do evil..it'll balance out because somehow we'll do the right things in the end..? unless....there's a necessary evil...which is now, getting me confused lol. Im not interested in them bad eggs either, just sometimes they get in the way and iv'e read some eggs have levels, all the way up to the big bad egg. but none can do much if God doesn't allow them too. so hooray for the good guys then huh haha.

but wait...didn't you say you don't agree with the pre-determine life thing? or you do believe that but the free will allows you to pick which road...and each road has its own experiences. I'm sorry if im asking a lot of question or not making much sense again. i just want to know and understand haha.

Hi luckiestguy,

I mean that not everything is pre-determined in your life. Your will can change the way you make your journey in life - you can decide how you want your journey to be and what detours you make. But the destination will still be the same. Not sure if that's clearer what I try to say. But don't take my word for it - it's just what I personally believe.

Boson

I just noticed this thread (sorry TiredPhil!), and, aside from being a bit confused about how fantasies about what we'd do if actually able to AP turned into a philosophical discussion of predetermination, I'm amazed that nobody -- especially among the AP community -- chimed in to mention that the OP is really about OBE, and not AP. AP, as I remember it, is all about moving your Self to other planes, other dimensions, other worlds, basically doing things other than roaming the earth and its occupants. Could be me, though; I'm old, and definitions change, I suppose.

That said, I think if I found I had full-on AP powers, I would likely go the Stargate "Ascended being" route and simply leave here, to explore other realms of existence, experience, and growth. I doubt I would have much attachment to earth, so I wouldn't be interested in material wealth or saving the world (as if anyone could or should do that); indeed, I probably wouldn't even come back.

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I just noticed this thread (sorry TiredPhil!), and, aside from being a bit confused about how fantasies about what we'd do if actually able to AP turned into a philosophical discussion of predetermination, I'm amazed that nobody -- especially among the AP community -- chimed in to mention that the OP is really about OBE, and not AP. AP, as I remember it, is all about moving your Self to other planes, other dimensions, other worlds, basically doing things other than roaming the earth and its occupants. Could be me, though; I'm old, and definitions change, I suppose.

That said, I think if I found I had full-on AP powers, I would likely go the Stargate "Ascended being" route and simply leave here, to explore other realms of existence, experience, and growth. I doubt I would have much attachment to earth, so I wouldn't be interested in material wealth or saving the world (as if anyone could or should do that); indeed, I probably wouldn't even come back.

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Topics on DV do tend to swerve away from the original opening statement. I have noticed this quite a bit.
Sometimes it is very annoying, other times it can be very refreshing.
I like your ideas on exploring other realms, and leaving earth all together.
Only one problem. Your body would always be here on earth. Would you detach the supposed silver cord, and let your body die ?
There must be people you would miss.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Before anyone jumps on this thread saying " It is not possible " the topic is started as a purely fictional story.

Lets say that one of DV members finds that from a Lucid dream, he/she can actualy detach from their body, and roam the planet.
They can travel at high speeds, and pass through any object, or wall, etc.
If they felt inclined, they could enter your dream, and teach you how to do the same thing.
So far they are so awe struck, that they have not put their gift to any use, except observation of natures events

If you had the opportunity to learn such a skill, what use would you put it to ?

A few examples

1 : Wealth - Find lost treasures from the past, and become rich beyond belief. Lost gold / sunken ships.
2 : Knowledge -Explore the sea bed for new, and exotic life forms. Improve biologies knowledhe base x 1000
3 : Misc' -Become a detective, and find any missing person in the world.
4 : Disclosure - Do an Edward Snowden, and make many truths available to the world. Not just government crap.
5 : Health - Find tumors in patients, or other problems. Vastly improve medical knowledge
6 : Energy - Discover any unknown oil fields, or gas supplies
7 : Prove the existance of life after death, and end many religous conflicts. Probably start a few as well.
8 : Not let anyone know, and build up your wealth, and power
9 : Become a SPY for your country. This one might get you isolated to area 51 for the rest of your life.

I am sure there are many more ideas out there.
Remember, you can not interact with the world in astral form.

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I was thinking about this yesterday. I have started an empty and sort of boring type of meditation. And I began wishing to become lucid while asleep to continue the meditation in the dream state.

I'm to just observe what I'm doing like walking and say to myself "walking, walking". When I notice that I am thinking I'm to say to my self "thinking, thinking" untill the thinking stops. When the thinking stops I'm to return my attention back to the walking and say to myself, "walking, walking".

The idea is to learn more and more to passively observe and bring the mind into the body and the bodies experiences i.e. movenent and real senses (seeing, hearing, tasting and such). In an attempt to turn down the imagination.

If I could do it in a dream would the dream sort of become suspended because a dream is imagination? (???)

I got hooked on this guys teaching and meditation after seeing this Youtube

Ask a monk Astral projection

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Ask A Monk: Astral Projection - YouTube

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It is his "walking, walking", "thinking, thinking" meditation that I would like to practice in a lucid dream, that I mentioned above

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I like your ideas on exploring other realms, and leaving earth all together.
Only one problem. Your body would always be here on earth. Would you detach the supposed silver cord, and let your body die ?
There must be people you would miss.

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Sure. I think that the "ascended" state of consciousness I would achieve would probably preclude me from missing anything in the human emotional sense, and I also think that I would likely be able to leave a piece of my mind with my loved one (my wife), and never forget her. As for the rest of the people in my life, well, I rarely see most of them now, and never miss them, so I doubt there'd be a problem in either direction ( I mean we all gotta go sometime, right?)

Funny thing: I have this conversation regularly with my wife, and she's not real big on me abandoning my mortal coil at all, even when I promise I'll visit her in her dreams. So I guess there would be some details to sort out here before making the exit leap (I haven't convinced her to come with me yet; she's fond of her physical being).

Iv had 3 dreams where I thought I will never come back, my best dream is one of them. In all of them I really felt like I am on the fringe.

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Iv had 3 dreams where I thought I will never come back, my best dream is one of them. In all of them I really felt like I am on the fringe.

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Care to elaborate on one of your dreams ?
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Main one, the most favorite dream so far - The Final Dream | flow of my soul

and 2 more:
Going Further | flow of my soul
Me Inside Another Body | flow of my soul

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Hi luckiestguy,

I mean that not everything is pre-determined in your life. Your will can change the way you make your journey in life - you can decide how you want your journey to be and what detours you make. But the destination will still be the same. Not sure if that's clearer what I try to say. But don't take my word for it - it's just what I personally believe.

Boson

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ohh i see, yeah i guess i just over thinking it then haha.

and at Sageous isn't it the same thing? AP is a out of body experience. out of body experience is way of giving a AP and near death experience another title. and wow how selfish...you only care about yourself and not others. this is the enlightenment you wish to gain?

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Sageous isn't it the same thing? AP is a out of body experience. out of body experience is way of giving a AP and near death experience another title.

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I would go further and say that OBE's, AP's, and NDE's are all the same things: Dreams. That doesn't sell any of those experiences terribly short, BTW, as dreams, especially LD's, are very powerful, potentially transcendental, tools for expanding consciousness. It's also my opinion, which matters about as far as anyone can throw it (including myself). But my opinion doesn't matter, as in his OP TiredPhil laid the groundwork and said it was AP we were masters of (which is why I questioned his description of AP, but played anyway, using my own understanding of AP -- but not arguing about the nature of the thing, which OP specifically asked us not to do).

Anyway...

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and wow how selfish...you only care about yourself and not others. this is the enlightenment you wish to gain?

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No, because enlightenment doesn't include mundane things like selfishness.

Yes, things transcendent, ascendent, enlightened, nirvanic, etc, tend to seem very selfish when viewed from a common-sense human perspective, and by every human measure that perspective is, obviously, correct (was that redundant?). That's the twist: the enlightened are selfish only from the perspective of those left behind. Sort of a herding instinct, I think. When viewed from the perspective the ascended soul (I imagine, as we all must at this point), it's not selfish at all, because the self in human terms has, by definition, become irrelevant. An ascended being seems to have no use for his old friends and family from the friends' and family's perspective, but from its perspective none of that matters -- what does matter, I don't yet have much of a clue, but I would bet it is wonderful. In a sense, ascension is about something very different than caring about yourself, or caring about others[ from our perspective that seems a bit callous, but our with ascendance our perspective becomes irrelevant.

An ascended level of consciousness probably views its human existence in a similar manner that a newborn chick might view the remains of the shell it just left, or a butterfly might view its empty chrysalis: both were vital components of its life just a few minutes ago, but now they are just casually shed shells -- discarded tools meant specifically to get them where they are now, once vital, now useless.

That said, there's also no reason I can imagine that an ascended being can't still interact with its loved ones left behind; still enhance their lives with its energy and love, and still absorb and enjoy the energy of their presence. This action does not seem to me to be a thing that must require the presence of flesh and blood. To become a higher being might require some sacrifice, but that sacrifice would be balanced by the rewards of a whole new sort of existence... an existence that still might be shared, if love and purpose are strong enough. (This is what I tell my wife, BTW, and to this day she's not buying it)

I'm rambling.

tl;dr: yeah, ascendance is selfish, in terms of humanity's rules for interaction and morality, but the whole point of ascendance is that those rules no longer exist. The lamas of the world have a bitchin' time explaining this, too; indeed, Zen Buddhism by any human measure is about the most selfish thing around. But even the Buddhists still find a place for love and compassion, even if what they're teaching seems totally bereft of it at times.

Quick P.S.: I just noticed that I seem to be singling out Buddhism here; that was not intended, at least in my head. Any group which sincerely seeks and teaches transcendental goals will run into the same perception of selfishness, I believe.

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An ascended level of consciousness probably views its human existence in a similar manner that a newborn chick might view the remains of the shell it just left, or a butterfly might view its empty chrysalis: both were vital components of its life just a few minutes ago, but now they are just casually shed shells -- discarded tools meant specifically to get them where they are now, once vital, now useless.

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Sageous, brilliant stuff throughout but wanted to highlight the above quote that I like. Anyone that has been around this forum a little finds you far from selfish in human, down to earth terms. You are always taking time and thought to reply to lots of queries. On ascending, it makes me wonder if we believe in this type of after-physical-life, it must be a different experience for each person. It must depend on what they are ready to perceive.

Thank you for the kind words, Fogelbise, I do appreciate it!

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On ascending, it makes me wonder if we believe in this type of after-physical-life, it must be a different experience for each person. It must depend on what they are ready to perceive.

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Agreed. So, in relation to the OP, "ascended" astral projectionists could maintain their ties to their old world and loved ones, because that is what they expected to do, wished to do, or perhaps because they were unprepared to do anything else. Interesting thought!

Yeah

I too spent a lot of time, last night thinking about what you said, sageous.

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An ascended level of consciousness probably views its human existence in a similar manner that a newborn chick might view the remains of the shell it just left, or a butterfly might view its empty chrysalis: both were vital components of its life just a few minutes ago, but now they are just casually shed shells -- discarded tools meant specifically to get them where they are now, once vital, now useless.

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For decades I've thought about how the butterfly would have no memory of being a robust happy caterpiller. A caterpiller relishes it's muscular movement and delicious texture and tast of food.

If it ever was told that in it's after life it will fly, it would imagine itself with wings.

But in the cocoon it totally disolves into a soup. It totally dies and if it was a luna caterpiller it will never relish texture or taste again cos the Luna butter fly has no mouth parts.

Any way, sageous

I never thought of the cocoon as any thing as a tomb of total death to the lovely, lively caterpilar. Like, there are no caterpillars in the after life, only butterflys.

And, if I'm lucky

There will be no "Me" in the true (distant) after life.

Only something far, far, beyond my imagination.

I want to LD or AP to go there. Nothing else really interests me. That's why when I do get lucid I am bored.