Discussing religion in that context is fine, what I was referring to was the discussion of evidence of God. That surely doesn't belong here.
Very interesting, by the way, Leo ;)
Printable View
Discussing religion in that context is fine, what I was referring to was the discussion of evidence of God. That surely doesn't belong here.
Very interesting, by the way, Leo ;)
In reply to this:
Now, I'm not going to go denying all the junk mentioned about remote viewing. I don't particularly have the time, or desire, to do so. If you're absolutely sure that you can see things anywhere in the world, universe or whatever, that's fine. I'm far away from putting money on it, because I think there's definitely some holes in the arguments. O's references to the US government seemed almost humorous to me, seeing as how O, and most of the people who believe in such phenomenon, don't trust the US government in the slightest. To propose that the US is conspiring to use weather-control to propagate massive destruction on one hand, while hanging on the same government's every word when it comes to this, seems a bit contradictory. Beyond selective hearing into some sort of 'Selected Trust'. Don't get me wrong, though, I VERY deeply appreciate O for always quoting sources. He really knows how to argue with gusto. As opposed to this sort of people:Quote:
Originally posted by Isaac Asimov@ The Relativity of Wrong
The young specialist in English Lit, ...lectured me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the Universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern "knowledge" is that it is wrong.
... My answer to him was, "... when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
This is where quoting sources makes the biggest difference. Oneironaut tells us why he believes what he believes, with references to something more than his internal feelings. Dropout just says what he believes, and criticizes our beliefs. In interest of keeping this on topic, I will refrain from listing my personal beliefs and reasoning here, but feel free to join the religious discussion team (click on the 'Teams' button on the toolbar underneath the DreamViews banner at the top of the page, find religious discussion and join it.), and meet up with everybody in the religious discussion forum (It'll be in the off-topic discussion forums once you've joined). There's already been a lot discussed there, but feel free to start a new thread.Quote:
Originally posted by Dropout
how can u say that got does not exist, for u to be typing using ur fingers on ur computer is proof of god, r u that ignorant that u dont realize that????? how would u be who u r out of all the people in the world in this time that we live in with out GOD. how did u come from nothing to being there trying to disclaim god??? give me a good reason how
Thanks,
-Tsen
Just wanted to say, in references to my own references of the US Government:
It's not that I don't trust "US Government" as a whole. I have a lot of distrust for the current administration. Again, I don't argue that every piece of info that I gather is 100% true. It is simply the best I have to bring to the table to be debated. On one hand, I believe the current administration Could be lying about developing weather mod programs because the benefits of keeping it under wraps (especially IF it's still in an experimental stage) far outweigh the benefits of making it public knowledge. I believe the validity of the Government references Could be possible because they are gathered from media sources that are (at least at face value) impartial to the US Government and yet can be traced by many sources as valid. So while I make no stance on fully believing them, I find them the best suitable sources for the argument and would like to see people debate them, if possible, and no one has, that all.
Thanks for the honest criticism though, Tsen. :cheers:
I don't know. I don't really have an opinion on PSI, honestly. I do believe that anything is possible, and I like to hear what other people have to say about it, whether I agree with them or not. If someone believes in something that I doubt, I still enjoy hearing what they have to say. Inevitably, I find that I learn something in one way or another. And, if nothing else, I've learned something. It’s a shame when what could be a nice discussion degrades into name-calling and my-opinion-is-better-than-your-opinion.Quote:
Originally posted by SolSkye
Its funny how generally topics on PSI end up like this. My guess is its generally because of the lack of presenting any evidence supporting the subject and seems to run solely on belief. What do you think Lost Soul?
Try to keep an open mind. :) Anything is possible, and whatever isn’t considered ‘proven fact’ now might be proven in a few years, or 100 years. Or never. Who really knows? Anyway, most of this discussion has been pretty good. It's up to you guys to keep it that way. :wink:
Yes it does, and if you don't like it, why are you in the beyond dreaming forum in the first place?!?! And by the way, The energy in Psi balls isn't CREATED, it is FORMED into one.Quote:
Originally posted by Myriad902
I'm going to sound harsh, but frankly of sick of this...all this talk about predicting future events, remote viewing, gathering energy balls into your hands like you guys are characters out of Dragon Ball Z.
1) Predicting Future Events - I'm sorry to break it to you, but this doesn't work. Want to know why? because it is a fundamental law in physics. In the 1930s Quantum Mechanics was invented (I don't really remember, but some key figures were Erwin Schroedinger, Werner Heisenberg, Max Planck, and possibly Niels Bohr). Before this law of nature was discovered, Newton predicted that if we knew the direction and velocities of every single particle in the entire universe, we'd be able to know how the universe would evolve anytime in the future (this is in principle, obviously impossible in practice). Quantum mechanics came about, and we discovered that the atomic world was very unpredictable. Every single particle in the universe (including you, your brain, brain cells, toes) and every single group of particles bound together (the things I just mentioned) are bound by a single or common "wavefunction". I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that Quantum Mechanics says that all particles have a probabilistic nature attached to it in which you can never know how the past has evolved, or how the future will evolve EVER. The details don't matter but, IT IS A LAW OF THE UNIVERSE, PREDICTING THE FUTURE IS ***IMPOSSIBLE*** IN THIS WORLD. SO SHUT UP!
2) Remote Viewing - Ok, I shouldn't even have to explain this, how the hell do you just float out of your body and/or mind and walk around discovering places and information that you have never experienced before? Oh wait, nevermind, it's impossible. Oh yes, I have seen the news articles, what a bunch of propaganda BS. All you morons do is walk around spouting crap, and I know atleast half the people that "share their PSI abilities" are just plain lying. However, physicists and engineers have been tinkering with nature for many millenia, TENS OF THOUSANDS have worked and worked, day and night, months and years founding out the secrets of the universe and applying them to make technology. What have you guys done??? Jumped on the band wagon??? ... Pathetic.
3) Psi Balls - I saved the best for last. This one is easier to explain than Remote Viewing which was debunked by QM. That is understandable, I know I didn't explain it very well, but it's hard too. However, this one is easier. Anyway, so you think you can shoot energy balls and fire balls around just by concentrating and coalescing energy between your palms?? That's a load of crap out of DBZ. You want to know why this is impossible??? Easy, by doing this you are again violating a basic law of nature which is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states "Energy cannot be created or destroyed" (energy is the same as matter...the famous E = MC2 states that; 'E' being Energy, 'M' for Matter and 'C' for the speed of light). You can't just 'create' Psi Balls between your hands...IT VIOLATES A LAW OF NATURE THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN COUNTLESS TIMES!!! The ability to create pure energy between your hands is a Herculean task for even our best technology. The amount of energy it would take just to keep the Psi Ball stable between your hands would be more than anything any human could conjure, and even if they could...WHERE IS IT COMING FROM! YOUR SPIRIT?! SPIRITS DON'T EXIST, GET OVER IT.
P.S. That was a lot of typing, and I know half the idiots in this forum won't read past the first sentence. I am definitely going to get bashed on this one. For those of you who made it this far, I salute you :D.
alrite so i take my words back if i insulted anyone but my belief is we couldnt be here without god.....on psi i tried it for a while, i mean i felt something but idk if it was just blood making my hands heavy or not so i dont know about all that, again sorry for that comment
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahaha!! !!
ok, sorry, its not my problem, nor is it my place to argue with you
"the more you know, the more you come to know that you know nothing"
God laughs at you, and i at him so goes this dream world :D ahahahaah
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
edit: this was not aimed at dropout 14, but at the origional thread starter
but dropout 14, keep in mind limiting yourself to one set of beliefs also limits your ability to experience :D (but i will say that where you seem to be holds much power but you still have to strive for it)
YAY! i got quoted... :)
there are only a few "facts" that i've read throughout this whole thread. It seems that everyone is either a skeptic who will never believe or a believer who won't be skeptical about ANYTHING
here are the FACTS:
-There is no proof that god exists
-There is no proof that god does not exist
-There is no proof that PSI abilities exist
-There is no proof that PSI abilities do not exist
are you guys starting to see a pattern here?
Quote:
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing."
"Oh," says man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead give-away, isn't it ? It proves You exist, and so therefore You don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh, I hadn't thought of that." says God, who promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. - Douglas Adams [/b]
Aww...I didn't see this thread. I never got past number 1 before I stopped reading. I come from a VERY long list of Native American Generations in my family who have Predicting Future Events. I'm to blinded to go on lol. :shock:
As I always say: wisdom is in objectivity. Many quotes on the topic from many different wisemen, philosophers and so on have been published but it seems not many take heed of the concept of objectivity.Quote:
Originally posted by napoleon_in_rags
there are only a few "facts" that i've read throughout this whole thread. It seems that everyone is either a skeptic who will never believe or a believer who won't be skeptical about ANYTHING
here are the FACTS:
-There is no proof that god exists
-There is no proof that god does not exist
-There is no proof that PSI abilities exist
-There is no proof that PSI abilities do not exist
are you guys starting to see a pattern here?