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I have a scientific proposition that will prove if OBE's really real or not. Don't worry it's very simple:
Have a friend place an object on your roof, next to a dim light. Experience an OBE. Tell him what you saw on the roof. If you are right then OBE's are real. :banana:
It's been done. There have been studies in which scientists have done exactly this only with a piece of paper and a sequence of numbers and letters. The result indicated the existence of OBEs.
only thing left for me to believe it is get my circle of trustworthy friends to learn how to OBE (I can't I live in suburbs too much light.) But I would like to the site, if there is any. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shineenigma
Sooo many people have done these things. Such as, a scientist holding a peice of paper up and writing something down, and a person who cant see what he wrote projects and looks, and then goes back and tells the scientist what the drawing was.
The only problem is, you cant prove it was astral projection, because of extra sensory ideas and the fact that people can make things up. You yourself can prove it to what, a bunch of friends, but the skeptics on this forum wont believe you.
Well I want to prove it to myself first ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
Only way to do that is to experience it first hand.
Skeptics are just people who cant/havent done it.
Once you REALLY do it, you will know it.
Nope, I can be the person who sets up the roof :boogie:Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
Then we get back to how do you know the person who is claiming to OBE isnt tellapathic or a cheat.
Ignorant people dont need help, they need shot in the head.
Fix yourself.
Well, I will be on the roof hiding the object until it is time, unless he owns a satellite he wont be able to see it. And if he is telepathic then I will automatically believe in OBEs.Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
And why on earth are you saying I am ignorant?
Anyway, that comment is self-defeating. Don't tell me you are all-knowing.
Oh yeah and thanks for the websites. :bigteeth:
I agree with cryptic, if you actually mean "ignorant people should be shot" then why dont you drink the juice first? let's quote something you said in your tutorial.
"After you wake up from your nap, immediatly change positions. Some people say to lay as still as possible and try the technique, but i say, if you change positions it is more regular then not moving at all. Think about it, when you wake up in the middle of the night, do you lay still, or do you shift positions to make yourself more comfy? I feel that if you shift positions to make yourself comfortable, your body will recognize this more, and thus it will fall asleep faster then normal."
.....no.
the feelings of being uncomfortable are associated with your body checking to see if your mind has fallen asleep, thus named "mind awake/body asleep".
if you resist the itching and urge to roll over, you'll be just as relaxed when resisted as you are when you change positions.
THIS I feel is a delicate stage of OBE's.
I never said i was all knowing. I just said that you are ignorant, and that they dont need help if they wont accept it.
If you bring up a topic and someone replys, you do not shoot down there replys unless they are idiotic, which mine were not.
You're the only combatant here. My first response was, Can I see the proof? (Which was never shown.) And I almost believe it, to be 100% sure I must conduct the experiment myself. You can't honestly expect me to believe all the crap on the net. Then, I would truly be Ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by C911
The only one being ignorant here is you, acting like a dogmatic preacher, with an "any skeptic should go to hell" type of mentality.
Now you are putting more words in my mouth.
I said your so called proof will have flaws and no one will believe your results.
You defending against this criticism is ignorant.
No more off topic.
I want to convince myself first before I convince others. That's all I'm saying. :lol:
Did the scientists who came up with these sequences have any contact with the person they were examining before hand? If so its possible the results can be explained by hypnotic suggestion.
Ever wonder how magicians always know the right card when doing card tricks, or how they can make an object with a person's drawing disappear and appear somewhere else? Its because there are techniques for getting ideas into a person's head without them knowing it.
If the scientist and the subject being tested were in contact prior to the experiment it creates the possibility that the subject used these techniques to make the scientist write them on the paper, or that the scientist used these techniques to get their sequence into the person's dream.
She's saying what you claim would convince you could have alternative explanations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptic
Meh. I am a skeptic because of the absence of evidence, not because I intend to be a skeptic no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadHatter17
You're really not getting this. What C911 was trying to say is your standards for evidence are too lax.
Oh. Well this is an ancient debate. Since you can't explore the entire universe, there might be a pocket where gravity doesn't exist...Quote:
Originally Posted by MadHatter17
When you astral project you can travel at very high speeds, I have been on Mars and other Planets beyond the boundary of the solar system,
can you explore the universe? can you travel faster than light?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasis