Remote Viewing Experiment

I'd like to convert a skeptic before the year is up, so I've asked Sandform to select an object and place it somewhere as a Remote Viewing target.

Once he's confirmed, I'd ask anyone willing to attempt this to send him their descriptions of his object and he'll post them here after a certain amount of time to avoid descriptions influencing each other. DO NOT POST YOUR DESCRIPTIONS HERE!!!

The process is very simple. Silence you mind and try to describe your target. It's vital that you resist the urge to outright guess or name your target. Only try to describe things like it's shape, size, color, texture, any detail you can come up with. If there is something you want to draw, please do so.

Practice Trial
While I wait for Sandform to get ready, I've placed something under my bed as a practice trial. It's under my bed right now for anyone who would like to take a crack at it. It doesn't take much time to attempt, and if you have time to waste in the beyond dreaming forum, you owe it to yourself to at least try.

Try to still your mind, as you're trying to pick up very subtly impressions, and resist the urge to outright guess your target. Only describe what is under my bed.

Start with first impressions, color, size, weight, composition, surface, any anything else that comes to mind. Then message me your results and I'll post them all at once. If you have a digital drawing of anything at all I'll take a look at that as well.

I especially want to hear from all you people who claim to have psychic abilities. This is so easy to do, anyone can do it, so impress me.

I have a description. I'll spoiler it.
EDIT: WTF!!! No spoiler!!? I'll post it here.
It is green... Silver? Moderately big. LIke a computer tower in size. Wait. WTF? YELLOW?! My mind just told me yellow. Oh well. I think it's made mainly of plastic. Some metal. Smooth, but not incredibly so. Relatively rough.

No spoilers please, anything people can peek at will ruin the whole experiment, no matter if it's accurate or not.

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Originally Posted by Ryuinfinity

I have a description. I'll spoiler it.
EDIT: WTF!!! No spoiler!!? I'll post it here.
It is green... Silver? Moderately big. LIke a computer tower in size. Wait. WTF?
YELLOW?! My mind just told me yellow. Oh well. I think it's made mainly of plastic. Some metal. Smooth, but not incredibly so. Relatively rough.

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Dammit, now I have to find something else! Seriously, no spoilers PLEASE!!!

But... since I'm changing the object now anyways, it was a yellow measuring tape, smooth plastic that's a little beat up, with some rough patches for gripping. The tape it's self is metal. There is green electrical tape on it to identify it as mine at work, but no silver.

But now there's something else under my bed. MESSAGE ME with your descriptions. And if anyone else posts anymore spoilers, I'm going to start experimenting with psychic ass kickings!

wow so he got it right, amazing, i have something in my head and i was dissapointed when i saw his description, but it still might be right coz u changed it. dont worry i wont ruin it, but i cant message you right now coz my comp is broke (im on my psp the now)

never mind i was able to PM you, i hope you didnt need it to be email

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'd like to convert a skeptic before the year is up, so I've asked Sandform to select an object and place it somewhere as a Remote Viewing target.

Once he's confirmed, I'd ask anyone willing to attempt this to send him their descriptions of his object and he'll post them here after a certain amount of time to avoid descriptions influencing each other. DO NOT POST YOUR DESCRIPTIONS HERE!!!

The process is very simple. Silence you mind and try to describe your target. It's vital that you resist the urge to outright guess or name your target. Only try to describe things like it's shape, size, color, texture, any detail you can come up with. If there is something you want to draw, please do so.

Practice Trial
While I wait for Sandform to get ready, I've placed something under my bed as a practice trial. It's under my bed right now for anyone who would like to take a crack at it. It doesn't take much time to attempt, and if you have time to waste in the beyond dreaming forum, you owe it to yourself to at least try.

Try to still your mind, as you're trying to pick up very subtly impressions, and resist the urge to outright guess your target. Only describe what is under my bed.

Start with first impressions, color, size, weight, composition, surface, any anything else that comes to mind. Then message me your results and I'll post them all at once. If you have a digital drawing of anything at all I'll take a look at that as well.

I especially want to hear from all you people who claim to have psychic abilities. This is so easy to do, anyone can do it, so impress me.

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This is not scientific as it's been described. People must be given exactly one (1) guess and their guess must be concrete. Otherwise, you'll just have people either guessing very vague and common properties like "made of plastic", or guessing over and over until they're correct. You can understand that that would prove nothing, right?

EDIT: I just thought of problem #3: Say you hide an object in a box and line up 1000 people to guess what it is. Chances are, at least one of them will be pretty damn close, just from mere probability. To be scientific, you must use a probabilistic argument to first predict how many people will get it correct just from chance, and then to be proven correct the actual number has to be well above that (there is such thing as variance).

jee wizz man, that doesnt matter, although its a valid point, this isnt to prove to the world that its a real thing, its already been proven, some military units used it in a war (cant remember what one)

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Originally Posted by slash112

jee wizz man, that doesnt matter, although its a valid point, this isnt to prove to the world that its a real thing, its already been proven, some military units used it in a war (cant remember what one)

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Bullshit. It's never been proven. The fact that the CIA tried to use it in the Stargate project doesn't prove it exists. For example, the Nazis tried voodoo near the end of WW2. Does that mean voodoo is real?

the fact that they actually used it to find where their enemies were and where mines were is enough proof for me.

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Originally Posted by slash112

the fact that they actually used it to find where their enemies were and where mines were is enough proof for me.

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What fact? Where are you getting this fact?

i dont know where i got it from itr just one of those things some people know, but h supose it could be a myth, but i know that it has been proved under scientific conditions, i saw a documentary on this and AP and OBE

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

EDIT: I just thought of problem #3: Say you hide an object in a box and line up 1000 people to guess what it is. Chances are, at least one of them will be pretty damn close, just from mere probability. To be scientific, you must use a probabilistic argument to first predict how many people will get it correct just from chance, and then to be proven correct the actual number has to be well above that (there is such thing as variance).

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No, but if I take those who got it right, and see if they are able to do it consistently, then we'll be getting somewhere!

So here are the descriptions I got. I'm a little disappointed so few people tried.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

I think the color is a dark blue or red... Not sure.

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Originally Posted by slash112

red, sort of cube or cuboid, wee bumpy bits on it and i think its plastic.

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Originally Posted by Licity

I have some results from the remote viewing thread. Im pretty new at this, but I got:
Red, gray, black. Relatively small, soft and smooth, probably made of cloth.

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and here is what was hiding under my bed
http://www.fotofap.com/thumbs/large/...c/P1000857.JPG

I was hoping for more descriptions, but that an OK start. As you can see, everyone mentioned the main color red. Licity got all the colors, even the gray of the dust on it. For a first try, I think those guys did pretty good.

Any single description by it's self is kind of useless, but when you several that are saying the same thing, it's a pretty good indication you're on the right track.

Sandform's Target
Anyways, Sandform tells me he's placed something underneath his bed now, so try that as the next target, and send your results to him. I'll get him to post them here in a few days to give to give more people a shot at it.

Under my bed
And I also placed something new under my bed as well for anyone who wants to try that one as well. Message me with those descriptions.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

No, but if I take those who got it right, and see if they are able to do it consistently, then we'll be getting somewhere!

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Six of one. That's like flipping ten coins or flipping one coin ten times. This means we agree that the correct answers must surpass chance.

And now I will show how the descriptions, if seen in a biased way, might be promising, but are actually incredibly vague.

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I think the color is a dark blue or red... Not sure.

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The colour was red, but to be correct this description only needed some part of it to be either blue OR red. That's almost every object you can imagine.

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red, sort of cube or cuboid, wee bumpy bits on it and i think its plastic.

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Red rules out only about half of the conceivable objects. The cube bit was completely and entirely wrong, no room for apologetics here. Bumpy could mean anything, and chances are you would choose to put a topologically interesting item under your bed, so it's a very good educated guess to say that it's bumpy. Plastic, well, a lot of things are plastic. Another gimme there.

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I have some results from the remote viewing thread. Im pretty new at this, but I got:
Red, gray, black. Relatively small, soft and smooth, probably made of cloth.

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By saying red, gray, and black, that covers almost every conceivable object if you require only one of the colours to be correct.

Relatively small: no shit, it's under your bed...

Soft: Nope, from the picture it's hard. Completely wrong.
Smooth: That's a 50/50, so being correct isn't exactly a miracle. Also, there's some room for interpretation here, as I can make a case for either, given the object in question.

Cloth: WRONG.

So, these results appear to actually be worse than random chance.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Blah blah blah blah blah...

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:D (Sorry!)

That was just the first attempt, just wait till we get some more participation. Not everyone is going to be good at it, I'm not at all. Just wait until we find a couple of people who are.

It's not supposed to be 100% accurate either, but some people give tons of accurate detail that makes chance seem very unlikely.

Hope nobody can guess whats under my bed!!! lol

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Relatively small: no shit, it's under your bed...

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Yeah, it would have to be small. When I said "relatively", I meant it to mean that it was small for something that could fit under a bed. I don't know how high Cusp's bed is off the ground, so the picture won't tell us much in that department.

There has to be a way to get this to conform to the scientific method, just give it time, the first trial was more of a warm-up than anything else.

I think knowing the person's interests could hinder the experiment, as the object might relate to their interests. For example, The Cusp's object was a red dragon, and his avatar is a reptile.

oh my gosh i was so close with the details, but the cube thing was way off, and when i said plastic, i really wasnt sure but when i mean i wasnt sure, i meant that even if it was right in front of me i wouldnt know what to call it so i just said that. and when i said bumpy bits, the the thing which was pictured in my head was pretty much what the dragons scales were, it was the texture of it when you touch it that i was thinking of, these small details which i got right were probably by chance, but if it really worked for it, then i need to improve in the shape

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

:D (Sorry!)

That was just the first attempt, just wait till we get some more participation. Not everyone is going to be good at it, I'm not at all. Just wait until we find a couple of people who are.

It's not supposed to be 100% accurate either, but some people give tons of accurate detail that makes chance seem very unlikely.

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You don't seem to understand -- the way this experiment is set up is fundamentally unscientific. So go ahead and preach to the choir, but you're not going to convince anyone with a brain of this stuff.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

You don't seem to understand -- the way this experiment is set up is fundamentally unscientific. So go ahead and preach to the choir, but you're not going to convince anyone with a brain of this stuff.

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lighten up man, its just a bit of fun.

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Originally Posted by thedogsmeow

I think knowing the person's interests could hinder the experiment, as the object might relate to their interests. For example, The Cusp's object was a red dragon, and his avatar is a reptile.

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yes but he asked for details and descriptions, not what it is, he wasnt particularly looking for, "it was a dragon"

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

You don't seem to understand -- the way this experiment is set up is fundamentally unscientific. So go ahead and preach to the choir, but you're not going to convince anyone with a brain of this stuff.

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I never intended this to be scientific, and why should I? These types of experiments have been done under far more stringent conditions than the internet will allow, by far more qualified people. The results of those tests indicate there is something going on, but they didn't settle anything. I'm not fooling myself into thinking these experiments will change the way anyone thinks, I'm just doing this to satisfy my own personal curiosity.

I am hoping to refine the methods and controls as this progresses, but imposing strict controls on an internet experiment is pointless. It would always be too easy to cheat, and could never be considerrd conclusive, so it's just not worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by slash112

oh my gosh i was so close with the details, but the cube thing was way off, and when i said plastic, i really wasnt sure but when i mean i wasnt sure, i meant that even if it was right in front of me i wouldnt know what to call it so i just said that. and when i said bumpy bits, the the thing which was pictured in my head was pretty much what the dragons scales were, it was the texture of it when you touch it that i was thinking of, these small details which i got right were probably by chance, but if it really worked for it, then i need to improve in the shape

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Actually, your "plastic" description wasn't that far off. While the dragon is a heavy stone, it's painted and does look very much like plastic. I actually had to scratch the bottom just now to make sure it wasn't some sort of heavy plastic.

The RV pros actually reccomend using terms like "Plastic like" when giving descriptions. For instance if you get the impression of a pumpkin, you would say pumpkin-like instead of pumpkin. THat way you target can still be round and orange, and it doesn't make you sound so wrong. While that may sound like cheating, the extra detail or leeway afforded in those types of descriptions can go a long way to identifying an unknown object.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

I never intended this to be scientific, and why should I? These types of experiments have been done under far more stringent conditions than the internet will allow, by far more qualified people. The results of those tests indicate there is something going on, but they didn't settle anything.

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Please provide a link to one peer-reviewed paper that says there's something going on.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Please provide a link to one peer-reviewed paper that says there's something going on.

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Will you just go away. Any respected scientist who lends his name to something of that nature gets ostracized by the community. Nobody is willing to risk their career on something like that. And any "peers" in a field of study like that wouldn't be taken seriously to begin with, so what you're asking is an impossibility.

i cant see a thing now when i try to see the new object, not a single detail, should i learn remote prescence instead and see if that works better? or should i read up more on RV because i havent looked right into it that much

Could you repost the picture of your first object? It isn't working for me.

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Originally Posted by edsq

Could you repost the picture of your first object? It isn't working for me.

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It's a red-painted Chinese dragon made of stone but looks as if it could be made of plastic. The scales look more like bumps than scales.

Maybe you can picture it :P

This is a great idea, Cusp. I wonder if we could set something like this as a monthly dreaming task. It would be interesting to see what people come up with when they peek under your bed in their dreams.

I know I've seen such experiments set up on other forums. We have so many skeptics here, I'm sure there would be some backlash.

I will try this tonight with both image streaming and dreaming.

So to recap, we currently have two targets. Something beneath my bed, and something beneath Sandform's bed. If someone wants to put out a target object for me, I could use the practice.

Try to describe the objects but not guess what they are. If you have an image in you head of what you think it is, you're doing it wrong. It's important to learn to recognize when you're doing that, and to try to avoid any description that comes from it.

So PM me with descriptions of what's under my bed, and PM Sandform (http://www.dreamviews.com/community/member.php?u=12358) with descriptions of what's under his.


And here's pic of that measuring tape in case anyone cares. Turns out there was a bit of silver on in, right at the end of the tape.

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Originally Posted by Ryuinfinity

It is green... Silver? Moderately big. LIke a computer tower in size. Wait. WTF? YELLOW?! My mind just told me yellow. Oh well. I think it's made mainly of plastic. Some metal. Smooth, but not incredibly so. Relatively rough.

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http://cache.imagefap.com/images/thu...1553038735.jpg

could anyone provide a link to an article on how to remote view because i havent found any good ones yet.

I wasn't sure if there was a new object yet, but while sitting here reading I saw an image in my head to I PMed it. I might have only seen it because I am half asleep but :P I posted it anyway.

Under my Bed: results of second attempt

This one didn't go well at all. I mean nobody was even close! It was a fuzzy red christmas stocking with a thick white band on the top.

Here's what people sent me:

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

When reading the post all my mind showed me was a spherical object which was green.

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Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

The entire object is dark blue, it is elliptical, possibly inflatable (?) and has numerous projections on its top.

It is made of rubber or some other material very much like rubber (a soft plastic?).

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Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Second attempt-

An object like a broom, wooden and sticky (not jelly sticky, sticky as in having stick-like bristles at one end).

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Originally Posted by slash112

black, smoth surface, but not smooth edges i think, kind of sharpish edges (as in not curved smooth ones), and for some reason i think its metal, at least some or most. and im not sure about the shape.

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Not a single thing that could have been even remotely close. I really should have provided some links on how to do this, or given more detailed tips on how to go about it. I'll get on that.

So now the christmas stocking is gone, replaced by a new mystery item. Keep those descriptions coming!

Try these.

http://www.psipog.net/art-rv-protocol.html

http://www.psipog.net/art-mechanics-of-rv.html

http://www.psipog.net/art-remote-viewing-manual.html

http://www.psipog.net/art-images-with-subc.html

:P I was way off
I'll try and concentrate next time instead of saying anything that just comes to mind

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

:P I was way off
I'll try and concentrate next time instead of saying anything that just comes to mind

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haha ye i think thats what i was doing aswell.:P

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

No, but if I take those who got it right, and see if they are able to do it consistently, then we'll be getting somewhere!

So here are the descriptions I got. I'm a little disappointed so few people tried.







and here is what was hiding under my bed
http://www.fotofap.com/thumbs/large/...c/P1000857.JPG

I was hoping for more descriptions, but that an OK start. As you can see, everyone mentioned the main color red. Licity got all the colors, even the gray of the dust on it. For a first try, I think those guys did pretty good.

Any single description by it's self is kind of useless, but when you several that are saying the same thing, it's a pretty good indication you're on the right track.

Sandform's Target
Anyways, Sandform tells me he's placed something underneath his bed now, so try that as the next target, and send your results to him. I'll get him to post them here in a few days to give to give more people a shot at it.

Under my bed
And I also placed something new under my bed as well for anyone who wants to try that one as well. Message me with those descriptions.

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LOL, that's kind of weird. I have the exact same thing sitting on my computer desk.

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

:P I was way off
I'll try and concentrate next time instead of saying anything that just comes to mind

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Originally Posted by slash112

haha ye i think thats what i was doing aswell.:P

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If the first thing that pops into your mind is a fully formed image, a complete object that you can name, it's wrong. Likewise if you lock onto the first impression you get and develop it until you have full fledged object you can name, wrong again. All you end up doing is making up detail to match your guess.

The only explanation I can come up with of how RV works is my second rule of dreaming, with the assumption that life is just a dream. It may sound outlandish, but it's an absolute truth in dreaming, and applies more often than not to the waking world as well.

The more attention you give something, the more related detail it will create

If you focus on a random guess, all you will do is create detail to that specific guess.

If you can manage to focus on your target without actually naming it or having an actual image of it (which is the tricky part), you should end up with detail related to that target.

Man I was off! I got the circular thing kinda... Since the dragon had round bumps...

If I had noticed that there was a second try, I would have attempted. Sorry, I missed it.

Gonna do another one?

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Man I was off! I got the circular thing kinda... Since the dragon had round bumps...

If I had noticed that there was a second try, I would have attempted. Sorry, I missed it.

Gonna do another one?

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Yeah, of course! There will pretty much always be something under my bed, so try at any time.

If anyone is interested, I have an item under my bed now. Send me a PM with a description if you feel like trying.

Hey, Cusp and Licity... You gonna tell us what was under your bed?

I have only received one guess, but...

there wasn't anything under my bed. My mattress touches the floor directly, so there isn't even a space to store something.

The guesses were pretty interesting:

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

A nudy mag.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

heart-shaped, and made of cloth.

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My original intent was to see what would be seen if you were looking for something that wasn't there, but I didn't get enough input.

Ah... tricky licity... :P

Maybe that's why you didn't get a lot of replies. Everyone who did the task saw nothing and just assumed it wasn't working hehe ;)

There is a nudy mag, whether he admits it or not.

Wait a sec licity, delphinus said it was heart shaped right? I'm assuming he RV'd the SHEETs. Just a guess. :lol: