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For me it took around a month or longer before I finally started to understand how to meditate and what meditation was really about. But it is something I'm trying to improve every day, and I still have a long way to go. Imo, meditation, like lucid dreaming, is a skill everyone should try to master in order to enjoy life as much as possible..
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Originally Posted by Ajna
I can often shut up the chatter. But then the musics starts... :cheeky:
Thanks for the info, guys. :)
CC, I'm just wondering did you "open" the third eye chakra beforehand?
Yeah, I did, maybe why this technique works so good for me compared to other WILD techniques :P
What music do you hear? A high pitch ringing sound?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumeria
How did you open it?
Usually people activate it by meditating on it, thats what I also do, but mine suddenly activated during a shroomtrip.
Well then, how do YOU meditate on it.
(I tried other techniques)
Same technique as the one in the topic. Or another, similar one I do is imagining a white light at that same spot, getting brighter and brighter and bigger and bigger until it fills my complete vision (while keeping attention on your breath).
Do you mean just think of a third eye on your head?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
Is that the whole activation...think of a third eye on your forehead?
No, It's a mystical energy center known as a Chakra
I know what a Chakra is. I am referring to the actual activation of the chakra.Quote:
Originally Posted by A dreamer168
And your comment doesn't answer zip to my question.
Saying its a chakra doesn't tell me how to do it.
It seems a lot here are skating around what you actually do (or keeping the reply that short, no one still really knows what to do).
It was the point of my seemingly simple question.
Sorry.
Apperantly, he imagines a ball of white light emenating from his Third Eye(In between the eyes and eyebrows on the forehead.....think of a vertical cat's eye)
With each breath he takes....the light grows bigger until it fills his vision
And CC how do you induce vibrations in that area?
Ok, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by A dreamer168
But if it emenates from the eye, wouldnt that fill his vision already.
It starts in his third eye.
And I am assuming the vision is from the third eye, so again this would already be pretty well filled from start, yes?
I hope you can see the vagueness and contradictions of the process, making it hard to understand.
No, the Third Eye Controls Inner Vision
It's not physical, it's the "mind's eye."
The light fills his outer vision, not inner vision
Hope that clears things up
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Ermm... No. Pop, rock, heavy, rap, new age, classical, oldies, folk, disco, spectrum games sountrack... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
I imagine my audio memory must take up a BIG chunk of my pea-sized brain.
so.... oyu just focus on the spot and after a while you will get a lucid?
They call it the third eye because this is the eye that combines the other two eyes, the eye with which you actually see. You and I would call it the minds eye, the eye with which you see your imagination, your dreams, your visualizations. The key to activating this third eye is your imagination. Put your attention there, and in order to increase the sensations, you can imagine white light getting brighter and brighter and bigger and bigger, or you can imagine warm sensations there, whatever you like. Be creative, what works best for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamChaser
The question on how to activate the third eye is the same as how to make your leg move, how to make your saliva glands secrete.. the answer is simple, you only need to know it's there, and then you can concentrate on it. Your body already uses it to dream each night, you already use it to visualize your imagination each day... the only change now is that you are aware how you do it. Turning the unconscious process into a conscious one. So now you can fully concentrate it.
With my imagination, just like I move my legs with my imagination. I wouldn't call it vibrations tho, more like a warm sensation, a pressure, but maybe that depends on what you imagine..Quote:
Originally Posted by A dreamer168
Yeah, basically. More like, that's the spot that causes the dreams, so better learn to control it. It's not easy to focus on it, you attention will keep wandering and wandering. How to keep your attention is a whole other story. The thing about WILDing is that you are already doing it unconsciously, each night. Now you're making it conscious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno
so do you imagin the light getting brighter and brighter then you drift away or when the light gets so bright you start over with a little light? if i put a penny or something on that spot would that help? do i have to do it as a wbtb or can i do it with my first sleep? and do i have to be tired. thanks
Just to put some of the misinformation on this thread to rest - the pineal gland is not some magical receiver, that is responsible for thoughts and/or vision. You can physically remove the pineal gland and continue to function, without a corresponding loss of mental function.
Was refreshing to see spaceexplorers contributions. Things happen that we can't explain, but seems people are too quick to arrive at the how of it all. If you focus on the 'third eye', it may well work to induce a state, but likely has zero to do with physical location of pineal gland.
Pineal gland aside, I am interested to hear about peoples rationalisations on theories of external consciousness. At this point it's one of those unknowable things, but there are many question raised when you begin to theorise consciousness resides outside the physical form.
If this consciousness exists outside the mind, how did it come to be, and what would happen to it if the world ceased to exist? Does it have a physical form / representation? Because everything is claimed to be forgotten between lives, how is this fundamentally any different from an entirely new consciousness? It seems to make no difference whether it's the same consciousness or another, because there is claimed to be no observable difference.
If you take a child, and brainwash it from birth - it will be hopelessly molded to any worldview you present. If there existed some super consciousness with knowledge of the ages, I doubt it could be so easily 'tricked' into believing whatever you fed it.
I've covered those topics, and can't see the link with spiritual mysticism. To my mind it's like saying brain waves / nerve signals correspond to 'flows of energy' - any relationship would appear to be purely circumstantial. We have people talking of consciousness/observer creating reality (waveform collapse), or information propogating FTL through entanglement, when the science doesn't reveal anything of that nature. I'm at a loss to draw any associations at all between Dark Energy and Higgs Field and mysticism.Quote:
And I am very suprised you have not mentioned Heisenburgs Uncertainty Principle, Eisteins Quatumn Entanglement, Dark Energy, The Higgs Field etc etc etc. These are scietific concepts which are now matching up with what some of the eastern traditions have been saying for thousands of years.
If a theory cannot provide testable predictions, and falls back to retrofitting arbitrary observations to fit the theory, it will struggle to break out of the realm of pseudoscience. The day someone claims they can interfere with my consciousness or thought processes without physically engaging my mind (including use of electromagnetic waves etc), I'll start taking it seriously :).
Which leads me to conclude: "Spirit" resides in Crystal structures. In our own brain in crystal structures within the pineal gland, but also in plants (DMT). Like native south american healers say: The spirit of our Ancestors reside in the Roots of this plant, refering to the roots of Mimosa Hostilis which contain the psychedelic crystal compound DMT. Spirit and Crystal seem tightly connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamChaser
So how to stimulate this Visionairy gland? Would it really be enough to concentrate one's attention on the 3d eye chakra and imagining a growing, glowing orb of bright white light?
I think we need to forget about the relationship between the Pineal gland and third eye chakra with this topic, because it is confusing the issue unnecessarily. Whilst the Pineal gland can produce DMT and Melatonin and I believe plays a part in both dreaming and mind/body dis-integration, its not necessary to know its biological nature to either understand or apply this energy work technique/meditation.
What this technique attempts to do is integrate the mind into a sense of awareness which is not necessarily the physical body, be it a dream body or astral body. This technique I believe is using focused awareness to stimulate the etheric energy body, dis-integrating the mind from the physical and integrating it into the etheric (energy) body, using the third eye chakra as a strong catalyst. If you are unfamiliar with tactile energy work then this manual explains everything you need to know;
http://www.xehupatl.com/download_fil...rgy_Ways_1.pdf
Using this method of stimulating the energy body (also known as 'energy body loosening') I have experienced both entries into WILD's and also astral projections close to the physical which usually end up progressing into a WILD. I think the relationship between lucid dreaming and astral projection is a grey area - the relationship being too abstract for established scientific thought. Robert Bruces book Astral Dynamics covers this material brilliantly with alot of experimentation and direct experience to help show you the door.
As with alot of this stuff direct experience is what we all should be aiming for because then we can form our own unique opinion based on it and not debate the opinions of others. Confirm the truth for ourselves either way. Like the difference between lucid dreaming and regular dreaming, the experience of astral projection is unmistakeably immersive and particularly engaging as it can be achieved with unbroken awareness just like the process of WILD's.
I tried this tech for a couple of days, and it was rather helpful - not for lucid dreaming though but for meditation. Though I would not connect pineal gland to mind eye, concentration on one spot is obviously helpful. At first part of meditation it help to suppress thoughts and at second (when I decided to lie) I suddenly fell asleep :).
Direct experience is no doubt useful, but it's not conclusive nor does it prove something as true. Visit any magican for an instant example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajna
I've had very direct, very real-seeming experiences that I know to be false and illusiory. At the time I would have sworn they were valid.
The idea that truth comes in many forms and everyone has thier own "individual" truth is a dangerous one. It's that very same way of thinking that considers Science to be a "theory" and thus relegates it to an equal footing with all other world views (such as flat earthers, astral travellers, evangelical christiantity etc. etc.)
Science to me is a METHOD. It's a process designed to eliminate that which is false. And at this point in history it is our best method yet for getting closer to the truths of our Universe.
Truth is an absolute it does not require a personal opinion or experience. The world is round, regardless of who knows it or who believes it. It would be round if the whole human race vanished tommorow. Science strives to be objective, it can of course never be truely objective in the purest sense of the word, but then nothing other than the universe as a whole can ever be.
However, refering to a buddhist parable which i believe says the same thing i am... If blind men were to try and describe an elephant through touch alone, one would say it is like a rope(holding the tail), another like a tree trunk (the leg), yet another would say it is like a palm leaf (the ear) etc. etc.
Individual direct experience may give you some evidence (or more correctly, Data - as evidence implys something to back up a theory), it dosn't however give you objectivity or the whole truth.
Only when you take your experience, and evaluate it with the corresponding data collected by the world at large, in a truely open minded way (in other words, accepting that we can be wrong and updating our world view to fit all the known facts) can you near the truth.
I've experienced many "mystical" things, do I believe in Chakras and Reincarnation? Well, I try not to believe at all, but regardless of my seemingly otherworldy experiences, I take on board what modern science tells me about the universe I live in. I try and validate the research that has been done in these areas, and cross reference with as many sources as possible. Having done so, and having read the work of paranormal investigators such as
Susan Blackmore, I find it hard to reconcile my experiences as factualy based on reality. Instead, I consider them to be elaborate, imaginary (and some times hallucinatory) experiences built from the complex psychology of the human brain and my cultural and personal programming.
Given the choice, I'd love to live in a universe with 3rd eyes, chakras, auras etc. etc. However, I am not given a choice, I live in this Universe. I would love being born human to mean that I am somehow in a position to become "at one" with the Universe. Instead, I will have to accept that the Universe definitely does not revolve around humanity or us individuals. Being Human simply means that I am in a unique (as far as we know so far) position to use my brain to asses facts, experiment, and grow to understand a little the vast universe of which we are a part.
And potato991, very much appreciate your intelligent input into this discussion.
I find many people who believe in the paranormal (specificaly auras and energy fields), do not seem particually convinced by thier arguments, If you offer them a meaningful way to prove it.
For example, those who claim to see Auras, I challenge you this:
Walk out in the wild, choose around 10 plants that you do not know the names or properties of, choose them based on if they have a positive or negative aura or energy. Then go home and eat the lot.
Of course no one would do this, because deep down, they are not convinced in the reliability or truth of thier beliefs.
Far more sensible isn't it, to learn botany, the science of plants, and to choose your dinner from plants that have been proven, via the scientific method, as harmless or benificial to the human body.
To all of you who believe in such things, challenge yourself, put yourself in a situation where your beliefs matter, where your belief being false may put you in some kind of actual harm or danger. Its a very quick way of realising how much conviction you really have. Those of you who believe in the third eye and psychic vision, try crossing the road with your eyes closed, use your third eye to asses the danger*
*Obviously don't really do these things, I am using dramatic examples to highlight that if such skills were available, if such things existed, people would not hesitate. The fact we do hesitate, the fact we instinctivly know that such things do not offer us real information about the world around us, is quite clearly telling. It tells us that we have let our desires for the mystical being true override our logic and sense.
It is not open minded to believe anything you hear.
A chef knows that posion is not a good ingredient for a meal, is he being closed minded by not adding it to the food? No, he's being knowledgeable.
Being open minded, I think, means opening your mind to the world of collected knowledge out there. Sure investigate mysticism, but whilst you do so also investigate the opposite. If you read the bible, also buy yourself a copy of "The God Delusion". Try and have a balanced view point.
Try to avoid belief, and try to aim for knowledge.
None of us believe the sun rises, we know it.
A blind man, however, has to believe initially. Yet he could with intelligence discern the truth. He could set up light sensitive equipment, he could survey as many sighted individuals as he can to establish how wide spread the consensus on the sun rising is.
Here's a simple and safer challenge for the psychic belivers out there.
Next time your in a cafe or bar, give your house keys to a friend. Ask them to hide them anywhere in the building, and under no circumstance tell you where they are. Then using whatever belief you have (auras, mind reading, energy fields) find your keys. Hunting high and low with your physical senses dosn't count. If you find them on your first attempt, and you can repeat this experiment without fail. Then please message me, I will be willing to make it financially very worth your while to prove your skills to me. It will make both you and I very rich and famous. And before people tell me its not about wealth... That amount of wealth and fame, would allow us to educate the entire world about the truth of these matters. Personaly, I won't hold my breath to hear from anyone, as i'm pretty certain if such things were possible, we'd have heard about it already.
Actually, it is very doubtful that this will be sufficient to prove this ability to scientific community. One anecdotal evidence is not enough. To prove remote viewing (even if it was really possible) scientific way, serious work would have been done. For example, before LaBerge lucid dreams were considered by scientific community as New Age mumbo jumbo or just oxymoron, so he had to make large work and provide very solid proofs to prove reality of this phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by spaceexplorer