Q&A Session: Log Posted

Here is the log from the Question & Answer session.

Edit: Just to clarify, my name is DaveyCash in the chat because Alex (the DV owner) has a sense of humour :P

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[00:01] DaveyCash: welcome to my meditation question & answer session [00:01] DaveyCash: how is everyone's meditation going so far? [00:02] fOrceez: Good! :D [00:02] DaveyCash: have you had any success with the technique covered in the last lesson (Lesson 4)? [00:03] fOrceez: Focal meditation on a mantra? [00:04] DaveyCash: yep, the combined technique [00:04] fOrceez: Depends what the end result is supposed to be like. I've meditated on the mantra 'I know the feeling of dreaming' once or twice [00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB: dan=bgut [00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB: !back [00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB is now known as Dark_Merlin. [00:04] fOrceez: Nice. [00:05] Dark_Merlin: but im naked :/ [00:05] fOrceez: dude wtf. [00:05] DaveyCash: welcome Dark_Merlin [00:05] fOrceez: David is being guru today :P [00:05] DaveyCash: well, that's why I'm here; to answer any questions you've got about it or any other aspects of meditation [00:06] Dark_Merlin: trying to think of questions :P [00:06] Dark_Merlin: aha [00:06] Dark_Merlin: i've been trying the combined meditation [00:06] Dark_Merlin: really thats what i've been doing while i go to sleep [00:06] Dark_Merlin: i'll sit and clear my mind [00:07] Dark_Merlin: then focus on my mantra completley [00:07] DaveyCash: ok [00:07] Dark_Merlin: last night i fell asleep doing that and had an LD! [00:07] Dark_Merlin: :P [00:07] DaveyCash: oh nice! [00:08] DaveyCash: have you noticed any increase in recall while you've been doing meditation? [00:08] Dark_Merlin: oh! [00:08] fOrceez: OH! Yeah! [00:08] Dark_Merlin: now that you mention it yeah! [00:08] Dark_Merlin: since i've been meditating i've been getting REALLY vivid and immersive dreams [00:08] Dark_Merlin: all my dreams feel like i'm living them [00:08] Dark_Merlin: and i wake up after every one of them [00:09] DaveyCash: wow, that's great [00:09] DaveyCash: have you felt more aware in them? [00:09] fOrceez: I'd agree with my dreams feel like i'm living in them. [00:09] Dark_Merlin: i'd say so [00:09] DaveyCash: and fOrceez, what about you? [00:09] fOrceez: Aware, yeah, i'd say so too. [00:09] DaveyCash: that's interesting [00:10] DaveyCash: so, haha, do you have any questions for me? [00:10] fOrceez: Why so ? [00:10] fOrceez: Not really >_< [00:10] DaveyCash: oh, interesting in a good way [00:11] DaveyCash: what about you Dark_Merlin? [00:11] GanjaCash^: i have no medidation [00:11] GanjaCash^: i stress [00:11] Dark_Merlin: oop sorry [00:11] Dark_Merlin: back [00:12] DaveyCash: GanjaCash^: have you tried meditating before when you're stressed? [00:12] Dark_Merlin: do you have any tips for getting better at void meditation? [00:12] GanjaCash^: no [00:12] TigerLilly left the chat room. ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is") [00:13] Dark_Merlin: i seem to be a lot better at focal than void [00:13] DaveyCash: GanjaCash^: would you want to try meditating? [00:14] GanjaCash^: ye [00:14] GanjaCash^: tbh i havent read all of ur lessons i tihnk [00:14] DaveyCash: ok [00:15] DaveyCash: I'd recommend go straight to lesson 2: void meditation, unless you think you need to brush up on the meditation basics [00:15] DaveyCash: but lesson 2 covers the first technique [00:15] fOrceez: SW, [00:16] fOrceez: What meditation technique do you use? And what for? [00:16] DaveyCash: ok, I'll answer Dark_Merlin's question first, then yours fOrceez :) [00:16] fOrceez: np. [00:16] DaveyCash: Dark_Merlin, do you find it hard to actually clear your mind in void meditation? [00:16] Dark_Merlin: yeah [00:16] Dark_Merlin: i always have something going on [00:17] Dark_Merlin: i can replace it with my mantra or whatever my focus is in focal med [00:17] DaveyCash: ok [00:17] Dark_Merlin: but in void meditation it just leads to scattered thoughts [00:17] DaveyCash: ok, are you ok with getting past the initial breathing exercise, before the void meditation? [00:17] Dark_Merlin: how do you mean 'getting past" aha [00:18] fOrceez: steadying your breath [00:18] Dark_Merlin: i'll sit and breathe until i feel really relaxed and then start [00:18] fOrceez: feeling it get shallower [00:18] DaveyCash: ok, that's good [00:18] DaveyCash: right, I'll go through how I do void meditation with you [00:19] DaveyCash: (sorry about the slow typing, people were just talking to me) [00:20] Dark_Merlin: thats cool aha [00:20] DaveyCash: I start with my eyes closed, and I first focus on sound [00:20] DaveyCash: I try to pay attention to every sound that I can hear [00:20] DaveyCash: and try to become aware of them all [00:21] GanjaCash^ left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed) [00:21] DaveyCash: then what I do is, I shift my focus to something completely different: touch [00:21] Dark_Merlin: hm [00:21] DaveyCash: I try to be aware of the feeling in my hands touching my knees [00:22] DaveyCash: and of the feeling of sitting down on the floor, the feeling of my eyelids being shut [00:22] DaveyCash: etc [00:23] Dark_Merlin: heightened awareness [00:23] DaveyCash: I do this for as many senses as I can, and then I try to start being aware of more than just one [00:23] Dark_Merlin: through each of the senses [00:23] DaveyCash: yes [00:23] Dark_Merlin: but isnt that focal? [00:24] Dark_Merlin: replacing your thoughts with sensory imput [00:24] DaveyCash: at first, yes, but [00:24] DaveyCash: I aim to be slightly aware of all the senses, rather than very aware of one [00:25] DaveyCash: at this point where my attention is scattered in small bits, it becomes easier for me to ignore everything that's going on around me [00:25] DaveyCash: because it all start to seem like background thoughts [00:25] Dark_Merlin: that makes sense to me now [00:26] DaveyCash: that's good [00:26] Dark_Merlin: you dont simply just sit and get all your thoughts to go away [00:26] Dark_Merlin: being aware of all your senses at once just makes you aware of yourself completely [00:26] DaveyCash: and finally I get to the point that the thoughts are just passing through me, because I'm paying so little attention to each of them [00:26] Dark_Merlin: and the thoughts slow and you dont pay attention [00:26] Dark_Merlin: yeah! [00:26] Dark_Merlin: :D [00:26] fOrceez: Wait- so does that mean i'm doin it wrong? [00:26] DaveyCash: so does that all make sense? [00:27] DaveyCash: I kind of answered your question too fOrceez, at least, that is how I do void meditation [00:27] Dark_Merlin: it makes sense now [00:27] DaveyCash: ok :) [00:28] fOrceez: Well then, what technique of meditation do you use the most/find the most helpful for what you want to achieve? [00:28] DaveyCash: fOrceez: I use void meditation by itself, when I feel particularly stressed [00:28] DaveyCash: or if I'm angry or sad [00:28] DaveyCash: hmm [00:29] DaveyCash: I guess I use the combined technique the most. Because I'm constantly trying to improve my recall further and have more LDs, and mantra meditation seems to help me with that [00:30] Dark_Merlin: i really like the combined technique [00:30] Dark_Merlin: even if i havent been doing the void as well as i could [00:30] DaveyCash: fOrceez: what do you think it is that you want to achieve from meditation? [00:30] fOrceez: Just to make it clear: the combined technique is focal on a thought? [00:30] Dark_Merlin: combined technique is void meditation to clear your mind [00:31] Dark_Merlin: then focal meditation on a mantra [00:31] DaveyCash: yes [00:31] Dark_Merlin: for increased MILD capabilities >:D [00:31] • DaveyCash was beaten to the punch [00:31] fOrceez: I want a deeper understanding of myself, and if i can, [00:31] fOrceez: get more lucids from the focal med on mantra. [00:31] fOrceez: Seeing as i'm taking the day off, i'll do some meditation later. [00:31] DaveyCash: ok, well, [00:32] fOrceez: Also; if you could tell me if i'm doing void meditation correctly, that'd be awesome.. [00:32] DaveyCash: a deeper understanding of yourself is gained through void meditation to a certain point, and then meditating on your 'self' (focal meditation in a way) [00:33] fOrceez: I do breathing for about a minute, then I start my meditation. I don't do the early focal meditation that you do, i just let my mind.. be at ease? [00:33] DaveyCash: so I think that could also be done while meditating on a mantra, in the combined technique [00:33] fOrceez: I don't go into any thoughts and look into the darkness behind my eyelids. [00:34] DaveyCash: oh, well void meditation can be different for everyone, so the specific way that I do it, most likely won't work for everyone [00:34] DaveyCash: that's why the technique seems so vague in the actual lesson [00:35] DaveyCash: I try to cover the technique that will work for everyone [00:35] fOrceez: ah. [00:35] DaveyCash: the way you do it seems ok, and does it work for you? [00:35] fOrceez: It does , and when I come out of the meditation, i feel like i'm in a dream. [00:35] fOrceez: I always have to rc after meditating. [00:35] DaveyCash: haha [00:36] DaveyCash: ok, then if it works, you should keep doing it :) [00:36] Dark_Merlin: :D [00:37] fOrceez: Yay :P [00:37] DaveyCash: so, got any other questions? about anything? [00:37] fOrceez: thinking :P [00:37] DaveyCash: I'd kind of like to stretch the session for another 20 mins [00:38] fOrceez: Have you ever tried to extend your conscioness outside of your body when meditating? [00:38] DaveyCash: I have actually [00:38] fOrceez: Once when i was void meditating, i concentrated my consciousness in like.. a bubble [00:38] fOrceez: then i moved it to the left and to the right [00:38] fOrceez: IT felt really really really weird [00:39] DaveyCash: in focal meditation a lot, when I go very deep, I almost feel like I'm getting closer to the object [00:39] DaveyCash: and I try to extend my perception to the object as well as my own body [00:39] Dark_Merlin: understanding the object itself? [00:39] DaveyCash: yes [00:39] Dark_Merlin: i tried that while i was focal meditating on a pen [00:40] DaveyCash: haha! I used a pen when I tried it [00:40] Dark_Merlin: trying to understand how the pen could bend to my will if i understood its structure [00:40] Dark_Merlin: it's plastic [00:40] Dark_Merlin: plastic is energy [00:40] fOrceez: Everything is energy! ^_^ [00:40] Dark_Merlin: i'm energy - therefore why shouldnt i be able to bend the pen [00:40] Dark_Merlin: didnt ~work~ [00:40] Dark_Merlin: but it felt trippy [00:41] DaveyCash: it does :D [00:41] fOrceez: It does work? [00:41] DaveyCash: no no [00:41] DaveyCash: it does feel trippy@ [00:41] fOrceez: Oh [00:41] fOrceez: lol! [00:41] DaveyCash: lol [00:41] Dark_Merlin: one day i'll bend it ;) [00:41] fOrceez: Have you tried anything spiritual with meditation? [00:42] DaveyCash: spiritual like psychic stuff? or looking into my 'self'? [00:42] fOrceez: both , whatever you'd like to explain to us :P [00:42] DaveyCash: hmmmmm [00:43] DaveyCash: I suppose I haven't actually tried looking into myself and trying to understand myself better [00:43] DaveyCash: but I have delved into psychic stuff with meditation [00:43] fOrceez: That's what i'm interested in [00:43] Dark_Merlin: same [00:43] Dark_Merlin: :P [00:44] DaveyCash: I didn't have any success with it at all, but I still have an open mind to it [00:44] Dark_Merlin: the most i've tried is object manipulation/tk [00:44] fOrceez: So what's your view on shared dreaming? [00:44] DaveyCash: I basically followed an online course on psionics [00:44] DaveyCash: on shared dreaming……that's a good question [00:45] Dark_Merlin: psionics [00:45] DaveyCash: I have had two experiences in my life, that I can recall, [00:45] fOrceez: penis. [00:45] Dark_Merlin: covering what areas? [00:45] fOrceez: Ben told us about the shared between you two. [00:46] DaveyCash: well I don't want to go into shared dreaming too much, or psionics either, in this class [00:47] DaveyCash: since it's supposed to be a meditation q&a [00:47] Dark_Merlin: ah true :P [00:47] fOrceez: damnit , trying to find IDM patched [00:47] DaveyCash: I'm happy to answer questions you have about that, after the session [00:48] Dark_Merlin: is there any other kinds of meditation you've tried? [00:48] fOrceez: Ah- okay. [00:48] Dark_Merlin: chakral, etc? [00:48] DaveyCash: not *really* [00:48] fOrceez: Or contacted any spirits from meditation? [00:48] DaveyCash: I tried a qi meditation (qi = chakra) once [00:48] • fOrceez shrugs. I'm into that kind of stuff. [00:48] DaveyCash: only once though [00:49] DaveyCash: I don't really know if anything notable happened in it. I remember feeling very relaxed after it, like I usually do after meditating [00:49] fOrceez: brb [00:50] fOrceez left the chat room. (Quit: ) [00:50] DaveyCash: ah, so just down to me and you [00:50] Dark_Merlin: he'll come back his net timed out [00:51] Dark_Merlin: i think [00:51] Dark_Merlin: :s [00:51] DaveyCash: lol [00:51] DaveyCash: ok, so is there anything else you want to ask me? like about my experiences [00:51] Dark_Merlin: i tried chakral once [00:52] Dark_Merlin: it felt really weird - especially 3rd eye [00:52] • DaveyCash tries to remember what the third eye is [00:53] Dark_Merlin: middle of your forehead [00:53] DaveyCash: ahhh yes [00:53] Dark_Merlin: gave me this blinding white light that filled my vision [00:53] DaveyCash: oh wow [00:53] Dark_Merlin: when i stopped i was just like'whoaa' [00:54] Dark_Merlin: talked to dad about it and he said he always got the same thing with 3rd eye [00:54] DaveyCash: that's interesting [00:55] Dark_Merlin: whats the most interesting thing you've ever had happen while meditating? :P [00:55] DaveyCash: I might look into chakra meditation and see if it has any advantages in dreaming [00:55] fOrceez joined the chat room. [00:55] fOrceez: Sorry,back [00:55] DaveyCash: the most interesting thing while I've been meditating... [00:55] Dark_Merlin: a lot of people focus on their 3rd eye to induce visuals when they're WILDing [00:55] DaveyCash: I guess it was when I was meditating on the pen once [00:56] fOrceez: Do you use the same pen all the time? [00:56] DaveyCash: I was really getting deep into the focal meditation (nope I just use any pen lying around the house), [00:57] DaveyCash: and the floor began to move up and down, following my breaths [00:57] DaveyCash: when I breathed in, it appeared to lift up, and then go back down when I breathed out [00:57] Dark_Merlin: ooh :D [00:57] DaveyCash: I kept meditating and went deeper [00:58] DaveyCash: and then this is where I felt like I was getting closer to the pen - [00:58] fOrceez: and then it exploded. [00:58] DaveyCash: it was as if I was moving now, not the floor. And I seemed to tilt and I appeared to be getting closer to the pen [00:59] DaveyCash: it didn't go further than that, but I really felt relaxed and completely focused when I came out of the meditation [01:00] DaveyCash: (yes, and then it exploded) [01:00] fOrceez: I can't say I didn't know that'd happen. [01:00] DaveyCash: lol [01:01] Dark_Merlin: thats really awesome [01:01] DaveyCash: it was kind of fun ;) [01:01] DaveyCash: :)* [01:02] Karlitaki joined the chat room. [01:02] Karlitaki was granted voice by DreamBot. [01:02] fOrceez: :P Sounds it [01:02] DaveyCash: so, is there anything else you'd like to ask me? [01:03] fOrceez: What about shifting your consciousness? [01:03] fOrceez: ./projecting it out fo your body [01:04] DaveyCash: you mean while meditating? [01:04] fOrceez left the chat room. (Connection closed) [01:04] fOrceez joined the chat room. [01:04] DaveyCash: oh well [01:04] DaveyCash: oh wb [01:05] Dark_Merlin: way to quit [01:05] fOrceez: Sorry, dc. [01:05] DaveyCash: that's ok [01:05] Dark_Merlin: hm [01:05] fOrceez: Writing up my 3-day-dream now. [01:05] Dark_Merlin: how long have you been meditating? [01:05] DaveyCash: let's see now [01:06] Dark_Merlin: sorry brb [01:06] Dark_Merlin: !brb [01:06] Dark_Merlin is now known as Dark_Merlin|BRB. [01:06] DaveyCash: I guess about 3 or 4 years in total [01:06] fOrceez: wow [01:06] fOrceez: That's a long time :o [01:06] Dark_Merlin|BRB: wowie [01:06] Dark_Merlin|BRB: :D [01:06] fOrceez: You're supposed to be brb, whore. [01:06] DaveyCash: I haven't been meditating the whole time though [01:06] DaveyCash: it's kind of been on and off [01:07] DaveyCash: I only started meditating seriously in then past year [01:07] DaveyCash: the* [01:07] fOrceez: Fair enough. [01:07] fOrceez: Are you still in school, btw? [01:08] DaveyCash: nope, I finished my first year of university back in april/may [01:08] fOrceez: Oh okay, cool. [01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB: ~back [01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB: !back [01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB is now known as Dark_Merlin. [01:10] Dark_Merlin: :P [01:10] DaveyCash: wb [01:10] fOrceez: hihi [01:11] DaveyCash: ok, so if there are no more questions, I guess that would be the session finished [01:12] Dark_Merlin: its a shame theres not more people here ><! [01:12] • fOrceez is out of questions. [01:12] fOrceez: yeah [01:12] DaveyCash: it would have been nice to have a few others, like Katsuno, in here for the session [01:13] fOrceez: Does anyone know what that colour's called? [01:13] Dark_Merlin: ..blue? [01:13] fOrceez: It's like.. a light orange. [01:13] DaveyCash: but it's ok, I'll still happily respond to PMs on the forum, stuff in workbooks, and also I'm going to post the log of this [01:13] Dark_Merlin: sweet :D [01:13] fOrceez: Yeah, light orange is blue, man :P [01:13] DaveyCash: hahaha [01:13] fOrceez: Should probably cut out the bit where i said penis >_< [01:13] Dark_Merlin: ahahah [01:14] DaveyCash: ok, did you learn stuff from this session? [01:14] fOrceez: Yeahs, i'm gonna try the mixed meditation more. [01:14] DaveyCash: ok :) [01:15] Dark_Merlin: i'm gunna try void meditation a lot more [01:15] DaveyCash: thanks both of you for making it [01:15] Karlitaki is now known as Karlitaki|Away. [01:15] Dark_Merlin: it sounds like it'll be really good once i get right into it [01:15] fOrceez: Happy to be here :) [01:15] Dark_Merlin: wouldnt miss it for the world dave :P