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Is anyone going to watch it?
He is going to predict the lottery numbers as they are being drawn, then he is going to show you how he did it.
http://vimeo.com/6457581
Apparently Channel 4 has banned him from buying any tickets due to the likelihood of him getting them right.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...--tell-it.html
Edit - The draw is tonight. I will post the results for the benefit of the American members.
It would be better if you recorded it and showed it to us :P ?
So does that mean if you were watching him predict the numbers you could get a lottery ticket yourself with the same numbers and win? :P
He is going to predict them literally seconds before the draw from what I gather. I think there is a cut off time before the draw so its impossible for someone to use his numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
As for recording, I am pretty sure that if he gets it right that it will be on youtube faster than a pedo in a playpark.
yeah but hes going to tell us how he did it so that means we can all start winning lotto from now on lol
I think it will require a lot of back work. He will tell you how he did it but I think it will be harder than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
I wonder what the company who runs the lottery think about this? Maybe its a marketing scam to get more people to buy tickets.
I'm sorry guys, but I have the dumb right now so help me.
A website (here) says this:
"In a television broadcast first, C4 will show the first event live across its entire network (excluding the +1 Channels). At 10.35pm on Wednesday 9th September, Channel 4, E4, More4, Film4 and 4Music will all screen The Event. Channel4.com will stream The Event at channel4.com/derrenbrown via MSN Messenger."
Does that mean I will be able to see online it or not? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Bonsay
It is referring to this -
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1241/26646694.png
If you have windows live messenger then you can view it via the advert at the bottom. But I don't know if this applies to people outside of the UK,
Ok I made my e-mail british so I can see the add. Hoorah! Thanks.
He did it!!!
I watched it live online on the channel 4 derrenbrown website.
I took a screenshot.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5...enbrownlot.png
He did it!!
wooowww
At first I thought he go them wrong by the expression on his face as they was going out.
I can't wait till friday now!
why is there a brick wall behind him in that photo? doesn't look like the set for where the numbers are drawn looks more like he did this at his house or something.
That is because the lottery is shown on the BBC network and Derren works for Channel Four.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
He is not allowed to appear on any other channel due to his contract.
He did it on a stage next to a tv which was playing BBC live.
WATCH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmxua_V1AcM
My guess would be that he used a time-honoured betting scam called "Past Posting". The numbers had already been drawn before he "predicted" them. Not too difficult to do, either, as there is no such thing as truly "Live TV". There is always a delay between the event happening and the TV reception thereof.
I found this out when I was watching the "Live" FA Cup Final once, during which I telephoned a friend of mine who was actually at the match. The so-called "live" feed on TV was seconds behind the action described over the telephone.
So.. he could have done it with a "stooge" in the BBC Lottery Programme audience, feeding him the numbers before the broadcast reached the masses.
It's basically the same scam that was used in the film "The Sting". That'd be my guess, and I stress that it's only a guess.
Most TV delays are 7 seconds, which I don't believe is quite long enough to set that up. (Did you watch the youtube vid?) The prediction was made earlier in the day, so his numbers were beside him before the lottery even began showing. Beyond that, he specifically stated that the BBC does not delay the lottery at all. It is broadcast to the second. I don't know how true the statement is, but maybe it's something you want to look up before settling on that guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
There is obviously some trick to it, no one could predict the exact numbers otherwise he would be doing the lottery every week - and winning every week.
Exactly. Be interesting to see how he did it on Friday :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
I think you will be able to predict the numbers if you had a record of all the past lottery numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
no i dont, because they are completely random. If you set up a computer program that created a lottery simulation and had it collect the numbers for the equilvalent of 100+ years, it still wouldn't be able to accurately predict what numbers would be next.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdeano
Well, he did it, he got it right. And we find out how the hell he did it tomorrow.
What? That's what probability is for :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
His trick had nothing to do with computer simulation of any kind, I am sure of that.
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Originally Posted by Eonnn
Yeah, and then he would have the world government list him as a global threat, would have him taken into custody, and he would be a guinea pig for the rest of his natural life, until they found out exactly how it was that he had that "power."Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Would you make yourself that public, considering the consequences?
(That's not a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know.)
Really? And, given the probability that all of the past numbers don't show any sort of sequence or pattern (being that they are random), how would probability explain being able to predict the numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
It is more probable for a new sequence to be chosen than one that has already been picked. if he had enough information, he could start ruling out some sequences and try to guess the next one. That's probably not what he did, though.
I don't know. I just don't see how that's possible. The lottery has only run for so many years, and he is only so many years old. How many different combinations can come out of a 6-digit sequence of 50 possible numbers? How feasible is predicting the next set of numbers, to a T?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
It just sounds pretty outlandish to me. Of course, so does "predicting" all the numbers. But still. I'm just saying that they both seem just as improbable, to me.
50 * 49 * 48 * 47 * 46 * 45 = 254,251,200
Again, that's not how he did it, but that doesn't make it impossible. Just very difficult and requiring lots of information.
Yeah, I suppose "don't see how it's possible" was a bit of hyperbole, on my part. I don't mean that I see it to be impossible, but still; If that was the case, then the man should get a medal or something. I've never seen anybody with enough balls to practically base their entire career on a 1 in 250million shot. Of course, if there was some sort of discernible pattern in past numbers, it would bring those odds down considerably, but we don't have any evidence that the numbers did have any pattern to them - as of yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
I'm really interested to see what he has to say, tomorrow night.
well no, but I would still make myself win at least a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Thereby drawing said unwanted attention to yourself. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
There is also the factor that 'superpowers' doesn't necessarily beget a lack of ethics. Not everybody with the ability to cheat at life uses it. Call me a romantic, but I do believe that - contrary to popular awareness - honor does still exist in this world, and I figure that would go for humans and 'superhumans' alike. Don't you?
Oneironaut are you saying Derren Brown is superhuman? lol thats funny. He is an entertaining entertainer nothing more, you can believe that if you want but he is a con just like criss angel, hiring actors to act as audience and using camera tricks.
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I think this is true, if you look at it while he turns it around the ping pong balls look egg-shaped and it does look like numbers on a screen.Quote:
1. There are no balls, there are half ping pong balls which you can see below the "line"
2. Above the line you are actually looking at a flat white screen made into a semi-circle shape. Someone else who is there remotely programs in the winning number
3. He turns the stand around and you can see the numbers that someone has entered in.
I don't believe I ever said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
I'm simply presenting the argument from the hypothetical that the metaphysical is possible, which is something I believe a lot of 'skeptics' should do more often. Saying "well that's just not possible", without critically thinking about the proposed feat, has become a knee-jerk reaction. It isn't 'investigation'. It is a priori assumption, and it really offers no benefit to anything except promoting dogma.
I don't know what you see, but I see a bunch of balls on an imperfect youtube video - a video so imperfect, in fact, that if you look at the perimeter of the card he is holding, you can see the pixelation (as with pretty much any fine line in the video). So yes, the numbers on the balls look digitized, because they are. That is; you are seeing them digitized as a result of it being a compressed video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
What I also see is that each ball/number is set at a slightly different angle than the other, giving more of the impression of their actually being 3D objects - set at non-uniform angles in their perches - than their being projected onto the balls, or superimposed digitally.
That's just me, though.
I am a big believer in the metaphysical and normally I wouldn't be so quick to judge but its Derren Brown - nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
2 11 23 28 35 39...
This crack pot just irresponsibly invoked the law of fives to win the lottery. Well, not win, but showoff his own "amazingness" Eris is pissed.
You see, 2+11 = 13. By invoking the mystic 5 twice we get 23. Not to mention that 13 is a mystical number in it's own right (perhaps even more so than
23!!)
23...I knew this was going to be there...Obviously lol
28...Simply invoke the mystic 5 once. 28-5=23.
35= 5x7 Basic law of fives
39 = The sum of all numbers execpt 39 = 99. Subtract 99-39 and you get 60. Basic law of fives relation.
EDIT: Post #33..Invoke the mystic 5 twice to get 23...Eris speaks through me once more.
I could have done this...A year of your life? I know your silly tricks sir!
So he revealed his system earlier this evening.
He got a group of 24 people to examine a years worth of lottery numbers and then got them to subconsciously write out 6 numbers.
He then added the numbers together (for each individual number of the 6) and divided it by the amount of people in the group.
It was very important that they did it subconsciously and not out the act of greed.
He said that he either did that or he rigged the machine XD
Edit-
I am pretty sure someone can explain that better than me XD
That is obviously a trick. He didn't even do anything. You just think he did, because of the way he presented it.
Watch it again. He doesn't write the numbers on a card until after they are called. He has a line of balls set up which SUPPOSEDLY already have the lottery numbers written on them. He doesn't reveal what is written on these balls until AFTER the lottery has been drawn. Then, he turns the stand around, revealing the numbers written on the balls. It is simple to switch these balls, project the numbers onto them, or use a split screen to do any sort of slight of hand. The details of this don't matter. That is a simple, unimpressive illusion to pull off, especially on TV.
Obviously, the balls he has lined up in the studio didn't have the numbers written on them until after the lottery was drawn. That is why he waits to show them until after the lottery is called.
Here is how he screwed with your mind. In your mind, you connect the numbers he is writing on the card with his prediction. In your mind, you connect the set of lottery balls with the ones drawn from the machine. Because you saw him write the numbers first, then saw them on the balls second, you think he predicted it. He didn't even have to lie in this trick. Your mind does the switch for you based on your preconceived notions. You come away from the trick with the false memory of seeing him writing the lottery numbers on a card before they were drawn.
He aided this confusion by talking nonsense non stop through the trick. This is a form of hypnosis, which causes confusion and gives the hypnotist time to slip in subconscious cues.
This is a good example of how we remember things the way we want to remember them.
This is obvious. He stood there and wrote them out to show what numbers were drawn, which is why he had the marker in his hand. He wasn't allowed to show the numbers by the BBC.Quote:
Watch it again. He doesn't write the numbers on a card until after they are called. He has a line of balls set up which SUPPOSEDLY already have the lottery numbers written on them. He doesn't reveal what is written on these balls until AFTER the lottery has been drawn. Then, he turns the stand around, revealing the numbers written on the balls. It is simple to switch these balls, project the numbers onto them, or use a split screen to do any sort of slight of hand. The details of this don't matter. That is a simple, unimpressive illusion to pull off, especially on TV.
No, that's actually a rights thing with the BBC. And how can you be so sure?? The balls were clearly written on with permanent marker, not projected onto, as you can see when he moves one of the balls.Quote:
Obviously, the balls he has lined up in the studio didn't have the numbers written on them until after the lottery was drawn. That is why he waits to show them until after the lottery is called.
He had the numbers written on the balls. I don't understand what you are talking about. If there was a projector, then it would have been blatantly obvious when he turned the stand around.Quote:
Here is how he screwed with your mind. In your mind, you connect the numbers he is writing on the card with his prediction. In your mind, you connect the set of lottery balls with the ones drawn from the machine. Because you saw him write the numbers first, then saw them on the balls second, you think he predicted it. He didn't even have to lie in this trick. Your mind does the switch for you based on your preconceived notions. You come away from the trick with the false memory of seeing him writing the lottery numbers on a card before they were drawn.
I don't have sound on my laptop, so I wouldn't know.Quote:
He aided this confusion by talking nonsense non stop through the trick. This is a form of hypnosis, which causes confusion and gives the hypnotist time to slip in subconscious cues.
It is a recording. You can watch it over and over and see what happened. I saw no trickery that you mentioned afoot.Quote:
This is a good example of how we remember things the way we want to remember them.
Hahaha, you watch too many movies man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
The purpose of his writing the numbers was so that he could show them, written out, after the camera had panned closer to the balls. Writing on the card wasn't even part of the trick, and I was never under them impression that it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
And if a projector had projected those numbers onto the balls, it is the most high-tech projector I've ever seen. The way the 'projected' numbers hug the balls, in perfect perspective, while they are being turned around, is just amazing. :-?
(That is to say, I don't think they were projected.)
I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick
But - out of sheer curiosity - why don't you tell me what would happen, if the power elite were to find out that metaphysical powers were in existence, and "regular people" could possibly have abilities that conventional weaponry and protocol just weren't designed to counter?
What do you think would happen if someone were to go onto national television and say that they could read the minds of anyone he passed on the street? Or they could move shit with their minds...and they could prove it. Honestly, how do you think government would react to that?
what a crock of shit. If you seriously believe Derren Browns explanation then the real trick wasn't "predicting" the lottery numbers it was brainwashing you.
We should have a poll to see how many people think Derren Brown is for real, and how many think he is a fraud.
Haha! Like he's not allowed to give the numbers he predicts before they're drawn lol! Did he at least buy a lottery ticket with his prediction numbers or was he not allowed to do that either? ROFLMFAO!
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I must say he does well not to look at his assistant writing the numbers on the balls. I wouldn't be able to resist looking and laughing if it were me :lol:
He openly admits that 'the events', including the lottery prediction show are about misdirection and deception. The thing about Derren though is he tends not to just lie. So I choose option 1, faking the lottery ticket, obviously he didn't use a ticket though, he used a line of balls instead. He used the word ticket purposely to throw people off the option, I wonder if he would've been able to skip this option so quickly if he'd rephrased it to be about the pingpong balls.
Option3 is blatenly wrong and Derren openly admits it, he even starts the show saying that he didn't break the law and he didn't effect anyone elses chances of winning which completely rules 3 out.
As for 2, there's obviously a huge difference in a crowd guessing the weight of a cow, a situation in which they can all have educated guesses based on some thing material and infront of them, and a crowd guessing the numbers of the lottery by automatic writing. Derren doesn't believe in things like precognition so you shouldn't believe he used this option. =)
Probably camera trickery as others have pointed out, i think split screen technology is a particularly interesting guess.
actually, that rules everything out except for what he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by RooJ
it is against the law to lie on television like that. and it absolutely rules out number 1 (he even said that at the start) as well as 3.
im not saying he isn't lying, im just saying that if you believe him when he said he didnt break the law, then you kinda need to believe everything else, because iverything else he said is based around the fact that he didnt break the law.
His explanation -
I would watch this before it gets taken down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IlwD...eature=channel
There are several parts to it.
All parts here too: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...nn&view=videosQuote:
Originally Posted by mrdeano
No, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
He explains what he did, but not why it worked. Kind of a rip off.
So... Who wants to help me win the lottery?
Im in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
We can get a group of us to try it and then split the winnings equally.
I'm drawing up a board like the one he used that showed all the previous numbers right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdeano
By the way, I loled so hard when he said the bonus numbers were only for women and gays. As if he can say that on Television!
So I made a thread to attempt this in beyond dreaming
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=83486
Don't waste your time. Here is how he really did it:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
Hmmm... that first ball does jump up a little bit. Visible even on the small low quality youtube vid. If I ever meet that guy, I'm going to kick his ass, and no amount of jedi mind tricks will be able to save him!
What is that guy talking about? :? I didn't see the balls move at all...
It's hard to notice but it is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
You don't actually see it move. One second they are all sitting flush, the next the first ball is slightly higher than the rest.
hahah this vid explains it really well!
Told y'all! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamQueen
Thanks for the vid Eonn :)
PS i feel sorry for anyone who watched his "Explanation Show" and wasted an hour of their life listening to him lie. Sorry but I just really loathe liars.
Missed the explanation show. How did he say he did it?
Here's the question: Is such a thing possible over a live feed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonnn
Not true. It's random, so it's the same chance as it was before that the same sequence is picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
If you flip a coin a ninety-nine times, and every time it lands on heads, it's not any more likely it's going to be tails for the hundredth flip. It's still a fifty percent chance.
Same in this situation, except with far more options.
I believe so. At least that's what the guys I know are saying! You can actually see the picture freeze when they sync it in. It's even more obvious than the ball moving. It's so completely obvious camera trickery of some sort is occurring at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
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Originally Posted by A Roxxor
Actually, he's technically correct on the first part. It is more probable that any one of millions of combinations will be picked in favour of any specific combination, such as "one that has already been picked." Since there are millions of possible new sequences versus the individual sequence (or small number of sequences) that have been picked before, the probability of it not coming up is near 100%. However it is gambler's fallacy to think that an individual sequence has a different chance of coming up versus any other sequence depending on whether or not it's come before. (Assuming at least that it is truly random.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
Roll a 4, chances of getting a 4 again is 1/6. Chances of getting something other than what we just got: 5/6. However 4 is still as likely as 1, 2, 3, 5 or 6.
DreamQueen, what is the name of the song in the video in your sig?
After watching the events on Friday (youtube :P) I'm now pretty(99.9999%) sure he either made a deal with the lottery people, or he cheated. Probably the first. Although I must say I saw the misterious moving ball in the Wednesday video. He's really good, it made people think.
Knowing Derren, he probably moved that ball on purpose.
I'm gonna buy a few dozen lotto tickets this week. I'll let you know if I become a millionaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
Or perhaps he just did the split screen. Can't make up my mind. My personal theory is more poetic though, one way or another it was just a trick, as he told us himself.
I didn't mean to say he used a projector. I'm just saying the only mystery in the trick is how he actually switched the balls at the last minute. There are countless ways to F* with the balls at any point in his trick. Swapping ping pong balls is lame magic 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I was just explaining the reason the trick is good. He messes with your reaction to the simple trick through the subtleties of the presentation. Look at the publicity images floating around of him holding his written numbers above the lottery balls. Blatantly deceptive.
Just to be annoying, if you have a coin that flips heads ninety-nine times, it is actually more likely to land heads the hundredth time. This is because it's probably a rigged coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grod
Last night he had his second part to 'controlling the nation' and played a subliminal message to make people stick in their chairs, it was quite funny!
Yeah, I watched that :) unfortunately, I did not stick to my chair :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam
If we can find a HD version of it online, we could post it in here and see if it works with the DV members.