Wikileaks vs US

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Originally Posted by Xei

lol yeah, I was just confused by your post. Eurozone is a common term which means anywhere which uses the Euro as currency. The UK is very intimately linked with the Eurozone but we're not officially in it (we use good ol' pound sterling).

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Oh, ok. My mistake. :oops:

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Originally Posted by Xei

There's a lot of talk in the news of trouble in the Eurozone at the moment due to the debts of countries like Spain, Greece, and Portugal. The rest of the Eurozone is linked to these countries and has a degree of obligation to help them out. Ireland was bailed out a few days ago and there are fears that the instability could spread.

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I've heard a lot about the Euro falling (along with the Dollar, but we already knew that). Do you have any thoughts on this "Amero" currency that is being proposed? I've run into camps who think it's going to happen and will be a negative; some that think it will be a benign change; and some that just don't believe there will be such a change in currency. I just don't even know what to make of it, at this point. What do you think about it, if anything?

I think opinion is the Euro can't fall as such; the problem countries are also the ones which aren't very economically important. It may be changed though.

I really have no thoughts at all on the Amero... in fact I'd never heard of it before, and naturally it's not a subject Europeans would really care about. My only comment is that I don't think Canada, which I thought was doing quite well, would really like to be involved with all that debt.

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Originally Posted by Xei

I think opinion is the Euro can't fall as such; the problem countries are also the ones which aren't very economically important. It may be changed though.

I really have no thoughts at all on the Amero... in fact I'd never heard of it before, and naturally it's not a subject Europeans would really care about. My only comment is that I don't think Canada, which I thought was doing quite well, would really like to be involved with all that debt.

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Gotcha. Fair enough. :)

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Do you have any thoughts on this "Amero" currency that is being proposed?

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There is zero talk or support for this in Canada.

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Originally Posted by Spartiate

There is zero talk or support for this in Canada.

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Cool. Thanks, Spart. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Spartiate

There is zero talk or support for this in Canada.

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Or in the USA as far as I know, O, where did you hear about this?

As far as I know, its imminence is a rumor. But it's a widespread one, and one that's been touched on by such mainstream outlets as CNN. Some camps say that there is a huge drive toward it. Some camps say that there is no interest in it. But I believe the possibility of such a merger is very real.







Wiki: North American Currency Union

Huh. It's not going to happen, our economies are too different. In Europe there is no major economic power, whereas here, the USA's economy dwarfs both of our neighbours. Even though there are wealthy countries in Europe like France and poor ones like Turkey, the relative difference is not like the difference between the US and Mexico.

It would be nice though, it theoretically will force republicans to be more aware of the national debt and try to manage it instead of letting it run away.

I'm actually surprised to see so many of you supporting this. This is one of those topics I just haven't kept up with (I mainly followed health-care and illegal immigration). I was kind of scared about WikiLeaks when I first heard about it, because I thought it may be possible that there are just some things that may be harmful to the military and its personnel.

But if it means that if someone is being corrupt, we have an easier way of knowing about it. If they want to cover it up, fuck them.

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Originally Posted by Xei

Apparently a republican has demanded that Wikileaks is added to the US's list of terrorist organisations.

A republican terrified of the truth... whatever next?

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

The entire republican party relies on ignorance. If these things are posted free on the internet, they will loss a lot of support. They also spend most of their time demonizing the sites that report the problem, instead of fixing the problem itself. Remember when photos were leaks of Guantanimo Bay prisoners being tortured?

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Lol no kidding. All the politicians care about is looking like they are right and covering their asses.

The Amero was a hoax created by Hal Turner.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The Amero was a hoax created by Hal Turner.

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I know that Hal Turner has perpetuated the rumor, by telling some of his hoax coins to be actual ameros, but how do you know he was the one who created the Amero 'rumor'? From what I've seen (& shown), the rumor goes far beyond Hal Turner. The only reason he got to creating the lie about having the coins is because the rumor was already circulating.

Its a conspiracy!!!

US shouldent be allowed to touch the creator of the site hes an Australian like me and that isnt cool just relax like on zoolander

I am excited to see whether Wikileaks is crushed and some chaos ensues, or whether it stays and some chaos ensues.
Fantastic.

I'm personally very supportive of the leaks. I don't care if it hurts personnel. The exposition of massive underlying lies and malpractice that has caused much death surely can't be outweighed by the potential endangerment of a few lives. Scare tactics to stop people from seeing some truth about secretive government practices.

I hope it fucks up international image.

I think the language coming out of the White House is hilarious.

It's like, 'this act is unequivocally evil. You are a terrorist'.

Actually using phrases like 'this will lead to the DEATHS of COUNTLESS NUMBERS of INNOCENT PEOPLE'. Actually saying that! And all the guy is doing is relaying stuff that the government said.

The hyperbole is just incredible... who swallows this??

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Originally Posted by Xei

The hyperbole is just incredible... who swallows this??

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Anyone brainwashed by the media, which is, unfortunately, a large percentage of the American public. :?

Christ, the site is still under mass DDoS. This shit is absurd.

So, when can we get around to setting up that second, open, free internet? We shall call it Darknet.

Interpol just put Assange on their Most Wanted list for those alleged sexual assault charges from Sweden.

He should just go to Switzerland. I heard from a friend that they wouldn't hand him over unless they had clear proof of criminal activities. Moving from place-to-place might be a better idea than holding up in Switzerland, though.

I thought we'd been through that shit already. Christ... amazing.

So who wants anarchy?

-raises hand-

Obviously they didn't stop at the first time it created a buzz, and I say good for them. Most of the stuff I heard about that was leaked, the government said it was secret because it might embarrass them. All I have to say, is being embarrassed isn't a national security concern. If the government is going to keep holding back information, people are going to keep poking around in it. They need to learn that they have to share everything, unless it has a direct security concern. If its troop movement, or new weapon systems, that is classified information. If its some official from china talking smack about the us, that isn't classified information.

Apparently Assange has tried to talk to Swedish authorities to discuss the charges against him but they aren't talking to him. Amazing.

Also Wikileaks changed servers today because the old one shut them down.

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Originally Posted by Xei

Apparently Assange has tried to talk to Swedish authorities to discuss the charges against him but they aren't talking to him. Amazing.

Also Wikileaks changed servers today because the old one shut them down.

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According to their Twitter:

WikiLeaks,org domain killed by US everydns.net after claimed mass attacks KEEP US STRONG https://donations.datacell.com/

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Australia's government already does things like censoring the internet.

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actually i think the only thing we censor are child porn site (obvious reasons). Although i just tried getting onto wikileaks and my browser came up with an error.

the recent "internet censorship laws" were rejected because nobody could be bothered the sign up for their free porn sites (I don't know what the real reasons were, something about how kids would just hack through it anyway)

If you ever have problems using the wikileaks domain name try using the IP, im from the UK and the wikileaks domain name doesnt work for me either, but the following does:

http://88.80.13.160 / http://213.251.145.96/

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Ahh, as blueline pointed out, it seems its just the .org domainname thats unavailable at the moment... i should probably read the twitter feed sometime =\
The following also work:
http://wikileaks.de
http://wikileaks.fi
http://wikileaks.nl