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I wanted to like multiple times throughout the video. He explained it and refuted it so clearly and so well.
And.... :sniper:?
I expect a huge anonymous response on record/movie company websites.
The Cynical Brit? Isn't that pretty redundant.
I want SOPA to pass, just to spite all of the internet
SOPA needs to be killed, if SOPA passed the internet will never be the same again.
If there are any actions going aroud against SOPA, I'll join, just like the old Operations like payback !
If SOPA passes, the goverment will take over the internet, if there's one thing I believe in then it's A FREE INTERNET AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Goverments are going corrupt, I heard that the goverments are trying to keep everybody quiet.
But, if we alll unite as one, we will be divided by zero.
From the 12th of December 2012, to the 21st of December 2012 TYLER will leak everything, that date will be the end of our fear.
We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.
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Originally Posted by sh4rkbyt3
brb, self mutilation
U mad, bro ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
oh god this guyQuote:
Originally Posted by sh4rkbyt3
*sh4rkbyt3 gets outta this discussion, Carôusoul apparently doesn't understands the whole concept of Anonymous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
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Originally Posted by sh4rkbyt3
Kill yourself
Goodnight sweet prince.
http://www.thetural.com/360/user_ima...dfca94c75c.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
Didn't Anonymous lose all credibility when they failed in their stated objectives numerous times during OWS?
Didn't white people lose all credibility after Nixon?
Which stated objective?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Taking down Foxnews.com, the November 5 bank run, etc. Of course, you'll deny these plans had anything to do with Anonymous, so whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
They had something to do with white people though. Seriously, the whiteys really cocked up big time with that Fox news thing.
The thing is, if you followed Anonymous more closely, you'd know exactly what their plans are and which ones are simply associated with them by some random guy. I'm also curious how a hacker organization is supposed to convince everyone to drop their bank accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNQh56czKgcQuote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
As a person who occasionally likes to see the world burn (in ways that are not very harmful) I am looking forward to this! Because technically, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, AOL, etc. all going down for an unknown period of time will not be very physically harmful... and it'll show people who are addicted how addicted they've become.
Plus it will piss off every whiny, ungrateful, "entitled" American middle-class asshole... all because they didn't care about their government. (Too busy with their bread and circuses I suppose.)
Does that sound too harsh? Because really I think it will do us good to get people caring again, at least about one thing!
It'd be nice to see Apple get behind this and turn off Congress' Iphones
They haven't publicly supported or opposed it. That, to me, makes them look bad. (Yes, it would possibly boost iTunes sales... but it would also make them terrible people for complying.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
I love the way you think. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
I still support the Congressmen who oppose SOPA, but now I don't care if it passes; I'll be content either way.
True, there's a point where you just have to go "fuck it" and watch the idiots destroy themselves.
Of course I'd rather Congress be competent and just not pass this bill whatsoever...
After watching Twitter blow up over Christmas over people getting the wrong colour iPhone when some children wouldn't even dream of ASKING for such extravagance... I think it's for the best. Some people take this all for granted, they need some well-intentioned mayhem.
It's not their fault entirely. If you give your kid shit without them doing anything, you can't expect them to grow up and WANT to work for everything they need or want.
But I agree, well-intentioned mayhem seems like the best option to fix all this. Or just a large bomb underne
Then the parents can deal with their complaints. "FACEBOOK ISN'T WORKING! I CAN'T GOOGLE STUFF!"Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Anonymous is not a single set of individuals. Why is that so fucking hard for some people to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Average response:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
"Facebook isn't working! What's it say, something about...'S-O-P-A'? I don't care about soap! Want Facebook!"
Yeah, but it kinda is. It may be amorphous at the edges, but there is certainly a core group of people behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
I'm perfectly fine with that ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
That just proves how single-minded people are, and how we're lucky to have minds that can see through all this garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
Amen! (I can't think of a non-religious word that fits better.) It's nice that people can survive functionally without the internet; I actually enjoy my life better without the internet but it keeps SUCKING ME BACK IN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Lulwut? Presever's made up response of the average person proves how single minded people are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
I think Puffin means that anyone's experience of facebook reveals how single minded people are.
Is it really that hard to understand my post? :P I meant to bring attention to how people don't care for larger issues, and instead indulge their own addictions or need for a website.
I wish I had two minds.
But the post was made up. It's an assumption. We will see whether it stands strue on the 23rd or whenever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
What gives you this impression? The "group" has no administration, unless you look at smaller projects, such as chanology. As a whole, it's more of a hivemind, that eventually converges on attacking something.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Apple won't. I'm sure as a company, they don't support it, but a huge chunk of their business, is the iTunes store. They don't want any of the big companies to pull out of it. I think they could still oppose the bill and not loose anyone because, honestly, they have no where else to go, iTunes is the dominate music store, but they won't take that risk. Steve Jobs would have taken the stance, Apple without him won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
A blackout does not mean they will go down. It means they will give you a page explaining SOPA, and likely post a link to email your Senator directly from the site, provide their phone number. Facebook and google both have SIP phones, it is likely they will offer you a way to call the senators directly from the page without having to use your phone. The tumblr blackout had a button to go back to the normal page, FB and google most likely will too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
Fighting Antipiracy Measure, Activist Group Posts Personal Information of Media Executives - NYTimes.com
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Lawmakers and their aides have also been targets. A photograph of a 25-year-old aide for the House Judiciary Committee was superimposed into pornography by a group related to Anonymous, according to another aide who was briefed on security threats to lawmakers and their staffs. “Why can’t they just hire a lobbyist like everyone else?” this aide said.
Haha! Go Anon.
And that quote says more than anything, huh?
Under voter pressure, members of Congress backpedal (hard) on SOPA
from your article:
That's Utah for yaQuote:
Lest anyone doubt the signers' tough-on-piracy bona fides, they include Orrin Hatch (R-UT), who once proposed that Congress give copyright holders a special exemption allowing them to hack into the computers of those suspected of piracy. In a 2003 hearing, he suggested that damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."
I want the blackout to be an actual blackout... where they go down, and you can ONLY reach a page about SOPA... until it's repealed or killed. That's more pleasing to me and would be more likely to get people to participate in government.
YAY!!! This is so EXCITING!
Oh I just posted that in the internet censorship thread before lol
Forgot about this one somehow.
I don't really get why they're doing it though if SOPA and PIPA are not going to pass?
They may possibly be outraged that American politicians are so corrupt and unduly influenced by media industries that there was at one point even a CHANCE of such a dysfunctional bill being passed? Because I'm a little outraged about that...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
I thought only SOPA was getting denied, PIPA's still going through as of now (unless I'm mistaken) so we still need to demonstrate.
Besides, on the same tone as preserver, let's show congress that change doesn't have to work through a lobby.
Oh okay, I thought they wouldn't support PIPA either.
Maybe they should also massively bias the pages of the politicians who supported it :lol:
Google Plans Home Page Protest Against U.S. Piracy Measures - Businessweek
Google is participating as well.
Slightly unrelated, but apparently if you're in the UK you can now be extradited to the US for an act taking place in your own native country despite having committed no crime whatsoever and having never set foot in the US, nor being bound by US law in any way shape or form.
What the fuck?
BBC News - 'Piracy' student Richard O'Dwyer loses extradition case
That's some bullying. Apparently the media industry can't corrupt UK law as well as they can corrupt US law so they just have the US intimidate the UK into extradition.
That's how America rolls... the man most likely to be our next President (besides Obama), Mr. Willard "Mittens" Romney, said last night in the debate that the United States would absolutely pursue their own interests around the world before responding to international law.
You mess with our corporations or military bases, we fuck you up through either extradition, bombing, sanctions, or regime change. (If you're lucky, you get a combination of 3 of the 4!)
And us Americans who wish America wasn't fucking crazy silently sighed.
Romney couldn't beat Obama in his wildest dreams. Not in his wildest dreams.
Yep, just ask Marc Emery Marc Emery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Quote from the Preserver's article:
:facepalm:.... The freedoms they enjoy, WHICH YOU WANT TO FUCKING TAKE AWAY YOU DAFT CUNT!Quote:
The so-called blackout day to protest anti-piracy legislation is “abuse of power given the freedoms these companies enjoy in the marketplace today,” Christopher Dodd, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said today in an e-mailed statement.
*deep breaths*
I agree that Romney can't win too.
You know, America is just taking advantage of a well known trait of the human psyche.
If they/you all spoke some exotic language and had darker skin everyone would see you the same they see any country you're at war with now. Probably worse.
That's not hard, though. His wildest dreams consist of having a sip of alcohol WHILE smoking a cigarette!Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Don't forget while wearing a speedo and drinking some tea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
Flow chart for SOPA/PIPA: Ape Con Myth › 00227 – Super PIPA-SOPA
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Originally Posted by tommo
THIS IS NOT HOW LAWS FUCKING WORK. THEY ONLY APPLY TO ACTS COMMITTED WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION. US LAW IS NOT WORLDWIDE LAW.
By that logic any country anywhere could have you arrested and demand your extradition.
What should have happened in both cases:
US: Send this pirate over to us
UK: Hahaha, fuck no. You do know that we're not a part of the US, right?
US: Send this pot-grower over to us
Canada: Lol, fuck no this is Canada's business only bitch. Go fuck yourself.
I mean.. this is just.... what...?
can we revolt now plz?
All I have to say about SOPA is ...who cares if it passes?
All I got from this was major corporations being able to shut down and censor websites hosting copy-written material. But the solution to that is to not use copy-written material on your website really. This actually sounds like good news if it DOES passes, because this would put mainstream media and independent media on the same level.
I'm a musician myself, and I see how big corporations ( for example the big 4 major record labels ) want to keep control of the music industry. It's all about them wanting to be the "Gatekeepers". They want it so that they get all the money from internet radio streams and to be the major distributors of music. They have to realize that it is 2012.
Everything is direct content-to-consumer now and technology today has made so anyone can create content they want. Anyone can create Indie games now, produce films, animate shows, television shows, write e-books, model, create music and actually monetize if they have the passion to do so.
Unauthorized to use a Lady Gaga song for your youtube video because it would cost thousands to clear it? Simply use a royalty-free song from an independent musician or site that hosts indie music, it's cheap and youtube can't give you shit about it because you have permission to use it from the content-creator ( who owns the copyright ).
This whole thing really is the music/film industry not accepting that life has moved on, and they no longer have a monopoly on distribution.
A lot of fear on this SOPA, government is not just going to go shut down your website just because. They will only do that if you have illegal copywritten content on your site. They just care about the money. It's the dumb entertainment industry CEO's that needs to reevaluate their business model if they want to stop piracy.
Tell me about it.... I was fucking astonished as I watched all that unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
I mean.... seriously it is just FUCKED. That's all there is to say about it!
There is no international law setting a precedent for it but they still fucking do it anyway!!!!
Just....
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Majestic - That actually is quite a good point. Maybe it will actually take business away from the main music labels.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
haha! Wouldn't that be fucking ironic....
However, it is a problem with news because heaps of blog posters and youtube creators use content from news articles.
And they could easily shut them down (and I'm sure Murdoch is just itching to do that).
Maybe, could be news too but I've never seen someone's youtube video get snatched down because they had a copy-written article on there. They are worried about that BIG money ( film, video games, and music ) And if they did so what, you can easily just create another article and change it around a bit in your own words.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
The people who support SOPA are old-skool people who don't even know how to use a computer. They are trying to figure out how to stop piracy and go back to buying dvd's, cd's, and newspapers which is retarded because technology is advancing and those days are over. They are on their last leg and this SOPA thing sounds like a last desperate move to get people to go back to that old business model.
I've seen people having their Youtube videos taken down due to malicious DMCA claims even where the use is easily covered by fair use, I've seen people have it taken down by fraudulent claims, and I've seen it done by people abusing it to get the personal details of someone they particularly detest. All in all, it gets abused quite a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestic
Murdoch is a bastard who would almost certainly have such things taken down if he could get away with it.
Also, the funny thing is that SOPA will do fuck all to prevent piracy. It's fairly easy for technically-competent users to get around. Trying to stop this sort of behaviour through legislation when politicians barely understand the issues involved and the nature of the internet will always fail. There's an entire generation of people who grew up using the internet who will run rings around them.
rofl no wonder these people hate the internet. Just can't shut people up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4kfTah7yI
I was getting through the day alright with these sites shut down, but then when I learned one of the fansites I visit all the time had also been shut down for the day, I was sad. :c
The response has been pretty incredible ever since wiki shut down. The last time I saw facebook (and twitter, tumblr, etc) so overflowed with something, it was when OBL died.
Are you going to write your senator now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Russia Today is hands down one of the best news stations in existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by knight31
I'm going to start only posting news videos and articles if they're from RT.
That'll be the first song taken down....Quote:
Originally Posted by knight31
I'm glad it's getting people riled up. Although I do find some gripes with it; I was telling people about this last year, but no one CARED. If THIS is the only way to get through to America, we are going to have a very, very shitty future.
I've been telling people this since I was 8. No one cares still.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
Me too, maybe not since age 8, but for years leading up to 2008 I was telling friends and family that the shit was about to make contact with fan in the West, and they would dismiss me out of lack of respect. No one gives your words any weight if they think they're better than you. Likewise, people tend to take the word of the people they respect as gospel. Sometimes it's warranted, but for most people respect derives from arbitrary titles. That's why, for example, most Americans believe that Obama can save the country. But I digress...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Point is, most people aren't persuaded by reason. Their monkey brains tend to only believe the words of superior monkeys.
Too true mate, although I'd put quotation marks around "superior".Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
For example whenever I'd say something thing about a medical study or similar things, or say something about certain prescription drugs (including one's I've taken) etc. and my mum would be like "You're not a doctor, I'm sure they know better than you". But then even my dad (who is a doctor) admitted that patients even something know more about a drug or intervention in general than the doctors do, because they have the time to research everything about it, whereas doctors do not. The doctors are the ones trusting regulatory bodies etc. to allow safe and effective drugs.
Just an example I can remember.
I suppose most people really are just followers, inferior apes that cannot think for themselves in any meaningful way.
Told my roomate about this last night, he does not know anything about SOPA or any of the things happening. He then thinks i'm a conspiricy nutjob, and saying it's a "rumor" after telling me he's never heard of it, then when someone at work says it will not go through he believes me about SOPA and says "see? nothing is going to happen". The guy strives off ignorance...i'll admit i'm ignorant of alot of things, but not this thing (atleast what they are trying to do). Everyone at my work gives this 0% chance of happening, because the internet is "too big".
And when it all blows over and PIPA and SOPA are stopped, exactly these people will be going "See, nothing to be afraid of". Same thing happened with swine flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
True, but the fact this thing is still going to be talked about should have people more worried. Roomate told me not to "worry" too much, i'm like wtf....it's not like they said "hey guys i want this to happen" and they said "Fuck off" and that was the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
Pretty sure Marvo was agreeing with you. In his special way.
'Hacktivist' collective Anonymous said it set its sights on the U.S. Department of Justice and apparently knocked the agency’s website offline today.
'We are having website problems, but we’re not sure what it’s from,' a Department of Justice spokeswoman told CNN.
The Department of Justice website glitches came soon after various Twitter accounts associated with Anonymous took aim at the agency.
:cheers:
Taking down their websites won't accomplish anything, apart from getting a bunch of kids arrested. The only real way to combat media organization, legally, is to not give them any money.
I own an anti-government based website. I recently sent an email to another such website owner who has a small team of people working for him. Within a minute of sending that email I suddenly had 43 non-human visitors to my website. This is the level of spying that is going on and I say fuck 'em, lets have a little bit of class war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
I know he was, i was just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
how many people actually visit the department of justice website?
I'm willing to bet none.
Ok, here we go, this is clearly a lot better....
http://www.slashgear.com/anonymous-t...usic-19210145/
Earlier today the sites Megaupload and Megavideo were shut down by ICE, a federal group responsible for working with and shutting down groups that pirate media illegally – in retaliation the hacker collective known as Anonymous have shut down the RIAA, the MPAA, Universal Music, and the United States Government site Justice.org, belonging to the Department of Justice. These hits have been confirmed by several anonymously run “official” Anonymous sources such as twitter accounts @Anonops, @AnonymousIRC, and @YourAnonNews, and were likely planned in advance. As a bit of an extra jab after the biggest sites in this situation were downed, Anonymous noted that they should simply say, “for #SOPA supporters their#SOPAblackout is today.”
Like shutting down those sites will really do anything. I bet they are all like "OMG WE ARE GOOD JAJAJAJA".
Good bye Dreamviews, it was fun having a Dream Journal.
Watch this is all just a lucid dream. And reality checks are just not working for a reason.
Just hours after Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) announced he was delaying a vote on the PROTECT IP Act, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), the sponsor of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed suit and announced he would be delaying consideration of the companion legislation.
“I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy," Smith said. "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."
"The Committee will continue work with both copyright owners and Internet companies to develop proposals that combat online piracy and protect America’s intellectual property," Smith continued. "We welcome input from all organizations and individuals who have an honest difference of opinion about how best to address this widespread problem." (He may want to check out our thoughts on the matter.)
Even former Senator Chris Dodd, the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, seemed to concede defeat. "With today’s announcement, we hope the dynamics of the conversation can change and become a sincere discussion about how best to protect the millions of American jobs affected by the theft of American intellectual property," he said in a statement. "It is incumbent that they now sincerely work with all of us to achieve a meaningful solution to this critically important goal."
The ideas present in both SOPA and PIPA may return, but both bills in their present form—and with their present names—are probably done for good.
A key figure in the fight against SOPA was Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Issa had planned to use his perch as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to highlight the flaws of SOPA's DNS blocking provisions. He was planning to hold a hearing featuring the testimony of actual technical experts, something that had been mysteriously missing from Smith's hearings on the bill. Wednesday's Internet protests were originally scheduled to coincide with the hearings. But Issa scrapped his hearing after receiving assurances that the DNS provisions would be dropped from SOPA. The broader protest went forward anyway.
"Supporters of the Internet deserve credit for pressing advocates of SOPA and PIPA to back away from an effort to ram through controversial legislation," Issa said in a Friday statement. "Over the last two months, the intense popular effort to stop SOPA and PIPA has defeated an effort that once looked unstoppable."
"I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation" funny that they first hear from the critics when they are in large numbers. The criticism has been the same from day one.
If only we could have this sort of mass action for things which don't affect everyone.
Well, I guess it's proof of what I was saying to O a while ago, if we really want peace or real action on anything, the only way to get it is for everyone to have a common goal.
Too bad people don't realise that every injustice affects everyone.
+1 to that. Black March. Can we do it, reddit? - Imgur This is the general idea circulating around Reddit and those other sites (lol). Unfortunately, even if this idea is spread far and wide enough most of the general public will be too OMG GUISE LETZ G0 C DIS NEW MEWVIE and it won't make much of an impact. But then again, that is what was said of the blackout which originally was made up of very few major sites and ended with 115,000 sites either blacking out or mentioning sopa/pipa on their site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
A consumer strike initiative is absolutely something that will hit RIAA/MPAA where it hurts, and instead you can go spend your money on better investments, which will also help the economy a lot.
Even if it doesn't hold 100% for every person who joins, diminished sales for a whole month (preferably longer. If you can go a month without, why not a year?) will still create a gap in their profits. In the end, it's all about money, and if consumer relations is what will make them money, they will improve on that, which will be good for all of us in the long run. Who knows, the entertainment industry might actually advance beyond it's current dinosaur state.
What if we already don't buy music (unless it's directly from the artist)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
What if SOPA was passed? - A comic - Imgur
Spread the image and convince other people not to buy music and movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
Encourage other people (not just people on the internet) to join the cause. And try to not come off as an activist nut. Make sure to mention that they can use the money they save on good investments, like paying off debt or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePreserver
I love paying off debt. I wish it were our nation's pass time, instead of "building debt."
I usually come off as an activist, although not "nut level," to people... but most people seem to ignore activism. They prefer conformity (it's sometimes lonely in the activist community around these parts.)
Brilliant comic right there, thanks for that. I'll do my part in spreading, hopefully someone will read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Was just about to post that^ @ tommo.
Hilarious, sad and infuriating, all at the same time. :?
I told my roomate it's been scrubbed for a while because too many angry people, and he told me "see? it would never happen, and never was going to happen.", and i'm like "Are you kidding me? it's not happening because people believed this, and took a stand against it", because if they all felt the way my work does about this this bill would have passed...The bill had a real chance of happening, but too many angry people sending emails, letters, phone calls they said FUCK IT!!!!! Had to roll my eyes at him and say "I'm done talking about this with you because it's like talking to a brick wall". Ugh....how the heck are they calling me an idiot for believing this....FFS listening to ignorance face to face makes me want to punch a hole in the wall. /rant
Lol typical fucking denialist/brainwashed logic.^
All you can do is shake your head, man. Shake your head in disgust and then with a sigh of reluctant acceptance.
Usually this guy is white liberal scum, but even he sees what has happened:
SOPA IS DEAD, LONG LIVE SOPA! - YouTube
He seems like less of "liberal scum" and more "cynical asshole." But his cynical assholery is well-founded.
Not just liberal, a white liberal!Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
He is an asshole though, and so is that other guy who wears a hat indoor and yells all the time. You know the guy. Fucking Americans.