U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Some sense of salvation or duty in the name of Allah. Presumably they believe they will be rewarded in some sense. Or they're not acting out of religious duty at all and instead do it out of desperation.

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I was pretty sure when tsiouz used the word profit he meant money.

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Suicide bombings and other atrocities could easily be called the same sort of "counterfeiting."

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Except it can't be backed up by scripture.

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Ahmadinejad isn't even the major player in Iran.

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I have known Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all my life (since I was a little girl), and I know what he is capable of. He might not be "the" major player, but he is a dangerous freak, to say the least.

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Moot point. Some Muslim could say that's the result of "counterfeit" Islam.

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But then you point out the islamic countries who continue to cut off hands and stone people to death!

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Originally Posted by Fechtel

I was pretty sure when tsiouz used the word profit he meant money.

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Profit does not necessarily refer to money. Look it up.

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Except it can't be backed up by scripture.

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Somebody could point out that the Bible says to sell your daughter into sexual slavery. You'd say that's not true due to the New Testament or something. You could point out that the Quran says to go on a suicide bombing run. They could say that's not true due to some passage that says killing yourself is against Allah's law or something. I'm pointing out the futility of your argument. You could go back and forth all day and be standing on the same ground.

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I have known Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all my life (since I was a little girl), and I know what he is capable of. He might not be "the" major player, but he is a dangerous freak, to say the least.

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What, are you from Iran or something?

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But then you point out the islamic countries who continue to cut off hands and stone people to death!

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A perversion of religion can be widespread. But it will still be a perversion.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Profit does not necessarily refer to money. Look it up.

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The way I understood him, I thought he meant financial gain. Of course I know it can have other meanings.

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Somebody could point out that the Bible says to sell your daughter into sexual slavery. You'd say that's not true due to the New Testament or something.

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That's correct.

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You could point out that the Quran says to go on a suicide bombing run. They could say that's not true due to some passage that says killing yourself is against Allah's law or something. I'm pointing out the futility of your argument. You could go back and forth all day and be standing on the same ground.

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But there aren't many "moderate" Muslims speaking out.

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What, are you from Iran or something?

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I have told you everything about me. I gave you my name, the names of my children, I even told you who my father was!

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A perversion of religion can be widespread. But it will still be a perversion.

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But in this case, the "moderate" Muslims are silent.

Many many years ago, Ahmadinejad tried (unsuccessfully) to have a young Saudi girl assassinated. She was a convert to Christianity, and this (among other things) bothered him very much. Back then he wasn't even popular with the media.

Frontier Airlines (Denver Co.), Flight D147 to be exact.

There were other people involved, too.

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Originally Posted by Fechtel

I have told you everything about me. I gave you my name, the names of my children, I even told you who my father was!

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...When?

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But in this case, the "moderate" Muslims are silent.

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"Moderate" Christians tend to be silent about fundamentalist Christians thinking the Earth is 6000 years old. Silence does not necessarily mean support. It could mean a willingness to get on with their lives and not focus on what the crazies say. Or it could mean death since the crazies happen to be in power. Or it could be that you personally just aren't hearing what they're saying because you might not live near any "moderate" Muslims.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

...When?

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Well, if you haven't read all my posts you might have missed it. I am of Iranian descent, but I was born and raised in a western country. My father was half-Iranian, and he fled his country as a young man because he was persecuted for being a Christian. My parents, as well as my brother and I, are all evangelical Christians.

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"Moderate" Christians tend to be silent about fundamentalist Christians thinking the Earth is 6000 years old. Silence does not necessarily mean support. It could mean a willingness to get on with their lives and not focus on what the crazies say.

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Well, I reject the theory of evolution as well. But name one Christian who still to this day supports the crusades or the spanish inquisition?

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Or it could mean death since the crazies happen to be in power. Or it could be that you personally just aren't hearing what they're saying because you might not live near any "moderate" Muslims.

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Not many are speaking out.

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Originally Posted by Fechtel

Well, if you haven't read all my posts you might have missed it. I am of Iranian descent, but I was born and raised in a western country. My father was half-Iranian, and he fled his country as a young man because he was persecuted for being a Christian. My parents, as well as my brother and I, are all evangelical Christians.

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I think my original point was that while Ahmadinejad is probably crazy, but he's relatively insignificant power-wise when it comes to Khamenei. So using him as an example of a powerful violent Muslim isn't entirely appropriate hellbent on destroying the world isn't entirely appropriate. There are, or were, Christians like that too.

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Well, I reject the theory of evolution as well. But name one Christian who still to this day supports the crusades or the spanish inquisition?

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I personally don't know of any. But what's the point? You're trying to argue that at least Christianity is more moderate than Islam? Pure religion may not be the only reason for that. This is an immensely complicated issue that spans many areas that all have an effect. It is not good enough to simply say "THEY are violent because of their religion and WE are not because of our religion."

Also, I referred to the young earth idea. Not evolution.

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Not many are speaking out.

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Again, there are probably a multitude of reasons for that. It is not necessarily just some sort of silent agreement.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I think my original point was that while Ahmadinejad is probably crazy, but he's relatively insignificant power-wise when it comes to Khamenei. So using him as an example of a powerful violent Muslim isn't entirely appropriate hellbent on destroying the world isn't entirely appropriate. There are, or were, Christians like that too.

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I told you that I have known him since I was a little girl. I have known his entire family.

What most people don't know is that Mahmooood also played a significant role in 9/11.

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I personally don't know of any. But what's the point?

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The point is that many Muslims will support terror acts throughout the world, but 0.01% of Christians will support the crusades or the spanish inquisition.

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You're trying to argue that at least Christianity is more moderate than Islam? Pure religion may not be the only reason for that. This is an immensely complicated issue that spans many areas that all have an effect. It is not good enough to simply say "THEY are violent because of their religion and WE are not because of our religion."

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Christianity is not a religion.

Christianity is the truth.

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Also, I referred to the young earth idea. Not evolution.

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To me, both of those are false philosophies/theologies.

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Again, there are probably a multitude of reasons for that. It is not necessarily just some sort of silent agreement.

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Or maybe it is because they actually agree with these murderers?

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Originally Posted by Fechtel

I told you that I have known him since I was a little girl. I have known his entire family.

What most people don't know is that Mahmooood also played a significant role in 9/11.

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You'll have to excuse me if I don't give much credence to a single anecdote from an internet forum.

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The point is that many Muslims will support terror acts throughout the world, but 0.01% of Christians will support the crusades or the spanish inquisition.

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Source?

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Christianity is not a religion.

Christianity is the truth.

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Okay, I really don't give a shit about whatever idea you think is "the truth". That's not what we're arguing about here.

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To me, both of those are false philosophies/theologies.

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You're an old-earth creationist who rejects evolution? Wow. Never seen one of those before.

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Or maybe it is because they actually agree with these murderers?

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The views of the few do not necessarily represent the views of the many. Like I said in the R/S forum, the fallacy of composition says hello.

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Source?

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Well, you admitted you couldn't name a Christian who says the Crusades were a good thing.

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You're an old-earth creationist who rejects evolution? Wow. Never seen one of those before.

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My mistake, I misread your post. I am a young-earth creationist who rejects evolution.

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Well, you admitted you couldn't name a Christian who says the Crusades were a good thing.

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So? The relatively few Christians I know are all REALLY moderate Catholics. You still have the rest of the world to poll.

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My mistake, I misread your post. I am a young-earth creationist who rejects evolution.

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I can only feel bad for your science teachers.

Christians didn't support crusades because the
"Christian" world already dominated the rest of the world through violence.
To call a whole race or nation "Islam" or muslims is an insult That points to identidification of human beigns into religious caricatures.

In the same way the rest of the world keeps a stereotype for the united states.
So i can say that in the us people growing up without education that they are responsible for the abuse of the nuclear energy with the excuse of self defence and that your lives are a reality show in which eight years old children are doing bottox and people eat their shit for money.
Or i can see that the organized collective pushes the man into chaos that education and health cannot be afforted by the average person and that media using the limits of propaganda
which is been used to create uneducated and desperate people in order to accept any kind of crap,as desperation and apathy can make a person easy to manipulate.
So if i ever visit your country i have two choices.
Or im gonna close the horizon in front of me by paying attention to what i've heard already judging your people like an image i've seen and never experienced
or try to find the people which are worth for and see the other side of the coin.

People don't cut off hands and suppress each other in the whole islam that is just rubbish.
And even if they did can't you see that the world is still a mess everywhere?