U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use 'Hiroshima' Tactics for 'Total War' on Islam | Danger Room | Wired.com
As if there was ever any doubt. :|
U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use 'Hiroshima' Tactics for 'Total War' on Islam | Danger Room | Wired.com
As if there was ever any doubt. :|
lol at how America's own wars against Islamic terrorism have caused thousands more deaths of American citizens than Islamic terrorism ever did.
Yeah. We run a real tight ship, over here. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
It always bemuses me how these people never seem to realise that. Are they hallucinating constant terror attacks or something?
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War is profitable, especially for the interests of the Federal Government and Central Banks. Nothing centralizes government like an imaginary foreign threat. It has nothing to do with protecting Americans and it never did.
I guarantee you that there will be little to no punishment delivered, because quite frankly nobody gives a fuck.
This is the worst form of bigotry this country has seen in a long time, and yet it's flying right under the radar because the American people have been so terrorized by the bullshit that's been beaten into their headds, particularly over the past decade.
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The only thing "radicalising" American Muslims is stupid bullshit like this.
I have now come to understand that there's no such thing as a rational counter-terrorism expert. It is therefore time for the United States population to make our intentions clear. Our Defense Department must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.Quote:
“We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam,’” Dooley noted in a July 2011 presentation (.pdf), which concluded with a suggested manifesto to America’s enemies. “It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.”
It's a little bit of that, sure. The 9/11 attacks were considered an attack at the American values and way of life; if Americans don't attack first, one of the Islamic nations will have the first strike and might wipe us out. Some people consider genocide the easier solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Unfortunately, some of my own family members feel this way. I detest this mentality. I'm not surprised that the military was teaching this to students. It's obvious that the government heavily relies on profiling to protect itself. The governments beliefs and actions have influenced many people to hold similar views about Muslims, or any Middle Eastern. Pretty sad that some people can be manipulated so easily.
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Why is Wired one of the only sources for this?
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Originally Posted by Xei
No, just acknowledging the constant threat of it. We have prevented lots of terrorist attacks and done a great deal to keep WMD's out of the hands of terrorists. You have to take into account the number of deaths we have prevented. It's an enormous number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
However, I have changed my mind about some things fairly recently. I think we should stop giving aid to Israel and sending troops to the Middle East. It's a hornets' nest over there, and hornets are going to be hornets. It's time to stop jabbing it with a stick. I am all for having high level security measures here as long as they are constitutional, but we have awesome enough military equipment for it to not be necessary to have our military stationed all over the world. Our Middle East policy needs to change.
I am not for war against Islam either. I do think it's a dangerous religion that teaches hatred and murder-suicide. Christianity teaches dangerous stuff too, but a much smaller percentage of Christians take their holy book literally these days. Once upon a time, Christianity was much more dangerous than it is now. Islam is still extremely dangerous. That doesn't mean all Muslims are.
Once you start realizing why terror attacks are being plotted, you stop worrying about the attacks themselves and more about why they're being plotted in the first place.
Prevented? Why do you think these guys are so intent on exploding you in the first place? Are they jelly of your freedoms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Or maybe they're just a bit annoyed at a country which has killed scores of innocent civilians via drone aircraft in Pakistan and seems to have the mentality that this isn't a big deal. What exactly do you think the Americans would do if Pakistan started sending drones over there?
Did you see what I said about poking a hornets' nest with a stick? They have crazy Islamic nut cooc burger beliefs about murder-suicide any way. That is their religious fanaticism, and that alone has nothing to do with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
We are dealing with a really insane situation, and extreme tactics are being used to deal with it. Some are good, and some are not, but it's a very difficult judgment to make. There is the issue of why the stuff started happening, but there is also the issue of what to do now.
Read Bin Laden's answer to Q2 in his "Letter to America." He demanded that we call off many of our freedoms. I don't think he was jealous of our freedoms, but I know he despised them. He was the leader of the terrorist group that is our biggest enemy. They are your country's biggest enemy also.
Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk
The most disturbing part about all this, are the comments that article has received. That seems to be the general consensus these days on the internet, it's gone way passed the usual bigotry the country is (unfortunately) known for. It doesn't matter what video you watch on Youtube these days, there's always a bunch of anti-islamic racist rants in the comments - most of them with hundreds of "likes." There's always been a couple of asshats on hell bent on spewing their hate but they've usually been shut down by the majority. Anti-Islamic sentiments seem to be on the rise though, at least imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero
It seems to me that there two options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Option one is that one continues with the foreign operations, in an attempt to 'destroy' radicalism in those areas. Clearly this will never work, because in the reality-based world there aren't a finite number of terrorists that we simply have to deal with and then go home; the civilian casualties create a legitimate grievance against America in the first place, which is the source of new radicals. In addition there are American casualties, in greater number than is due to the initial terrorism. So option one is to perpetuate the existence of the enemy and the deaths of citizens and foreign civilians.
Option two is to stop all of the foreign meddling and focus on domestic security. Perhaps the radicals have an easier life for a while, but fairly soon they have ceased to be an issue because there is no extant grievance against America in their country any more. No more deaths of Americans or anybody else.
Because we are over there. Because we've been over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
That's why I find the mentality of the people mentioned in this article so utterly stupid, they were either born on september 12th, 2001 or they're purposefully being douchebags to incite a holy war.
Let's say you sleep with a midget's wife and he stabs you because he was a midget. No, dipshit, it's because you slept with his wife.
I'm just finishing up Chalmers Johnson's Nemesis and sleeping around is literally a reason for hating the US. Especially for Okinawans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
^ Read Chalmers Johnson's Blowback, The Sorrows of Empire if you haven't already, a phenomenal read.
Read both before Nemesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinGill
I like this idea a lot. But then I guess you'll get people complaining about the inevitable loss of privacy resulting from tightened security, although personally I think that's simply the way forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Also I think part of the American mentality (deepest apologies if I offend any Americans with my generalisations) is a feeling of security from simply being on the offensive; in other words I don't think some people would be happy just sitting back and defending. Even if they are actually safer that way, they might feel more vulnerable because they're not attacking anyone and asserting their dominance.
I hope I'm not sounding ridiculously arrogant and ignorant :chuckle:
I agree with option two, but I think option one actions are often at least sort of understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Anti-Islamic sentiment is very understandable. Aside from the fact that Islam is totally false, you have to take into account that 9/11 wasn't committed by the Hindus, Buddhists, or Sikhs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinGill
It was done by Muslims.
It is not the religion that makes a man cretin it is the way he'is using her for profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fechtel
Amongst all religion movements The christian is the number one in slaughters.
We've seem to forget the bloodbath of the crusades,the inquisition and women who didn't even recognized as human beigns by catholics,burning of people in the fire just because somebody showed them with the finger.
The black race enclaved by christian countries and dutch british and portugese were christians of course.
Even before the end of sixties a woman should get married before having sex with a man.
Christianism existed for two thousand years as the most horrific and violent religion.
The most guilty of all.
Coran is a noble book,but as any deep religious book can be misunderstooded easily fanatism and stupidity occurs.
Show me a dumb christian and i can show you the same thing.
As for the "false" islam,just look at the travesty of the western "christian" world and try to consider the potential that maybe islam is not in the worst place right now.
They kill themselves in a suicide bombing. Where is the profit?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsiouz
Everything that you describe (crusades, slavery, etc.) is the result of counterfeit Christianity. Go read the New Testament and tell me where you find support for the things you listed.Quote:
Amongst all religion movements The christian is the number one in slaughters.
We've seem to forget the bloodbath of the crusades,the inquisition and women who didn't even recognized as human beigns by catholics,burning of people in the fire just because somebody showed them with the finger.
The black race enclaved by christian countries and dutch british and portugese were christians of course.
Even before the end of sixties a woman should get married before having sex with a man.
Christianism existed for two thousand years as the most horrific and violent religion.
The most guilty of all.
This is a clear pattern of behavior here, just as Mahmoud Ahme-derange-ad wants to rule the world and wipe out Israel.Quote:
Coran is a noble book,but as any deep religious book can be misunderstooded easily fanatism and stupidity occurs.
Show me a dumb christian and i can show you the same thing.
In the west we don't cut off hands, or stone people to death. You have NO idea what you are talking about.Quote:
As for the "false" islam,just look at the travesty of the western "christian" world and try to consider the potential that maybe islam is not in the worst place right now.
for the bombing part think your question better.
Now have you read the coran?
Go and read it and show me the "suspicious" part to show you the misunderstood.
As for the testament,The guilt that the old one carries should be enough.
And in the west peope don't cut off hands maybe,just kkk was burning black men alive,murders cannibalism acts ect.
You wanna tell me that the fact that the horror of christianity stopped maybe 50 years ago you're so far away from that?
Have you met any society evolve into 100 years?
or maybe that horror just stopped because many people stopped gather in a christian church?
Some sense of salvation or duty in the name of Allah. Presumably they believe they will be rewarded in some sense. Or they're not acting out of religious duty at all and instead do it out of desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fechtel
Suicide bombings and other atrocities could easily be called the same sort of "counterfeiting."Quote:
Everything that you describe (crusades, slavery, etc.) is the result of counterfeit Christianity. Go read the New Testament and tell me where you find support for the things you listed.
Ahmadinejad isn't even the major player in Iran. AndQuote:
This is a clear pattern of behavior here, just as Mahmoud Ahme-derange-ad wants to rule the world and wipe out Israel.
Moot point. Some Muslim could say that's the result of "counterfeit" Islam.Quote:
In the west we don't cut off hands, or stone people to death. You have NO idea what you are talking about.