The NDAA: 1984 is Approaching.

The U.S. government now has the right to indefinitely detain and even kill U.S. citizens without trial. Yes, that is totally real. The government can do that now. The U.S. is banging on the door to totalitarianism, and if the banging continues long enough, the door will eventually open. If you look at the list of Senators who voted for the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act), you will see that there are D's and R's all over it. I am at a point now where I can't really say what the difference between a Democrat and a Republican is. They are really starting to seem like the same party. Also, the NDAA was signed by Obama, who got elected by people who passionately opposed the Patriot Act.

NDAA Bill: How Did Your Senator Vote?

So this is my question: What the Hell is going on here?

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No surprise for the Texas senators....I hate them both.

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The detention provisions of the Act have received critical attention by, among others, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, and some media sources which are concerned about the scope of the President's authority, including contentions that those whom they claim may be held indefinitely could include U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces.[16][17][18][19][20] The detention powers currently face legal challenge.

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With luck there will either be clarifications or legal challenges to the act.

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Originally Posted by melanieb

With luck there will either be clarifications or legal challenges to the act.

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I really hope so. The enacting of the NDAA is the scariest change in the law to happen since I was born.

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Thanks for watching my link from here http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...epression.html
and here, The Economic Collapse and The End Of Our Liberty [HQ movie] - YouTube if it was from my thread that got you thinking?


2013! Martial Law Coming Soon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cj5CykRn8 I always seen 2013 as a bad luck year, look the number.

US Soldier Exposing Obama Martial Law New World Order Agenda!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8Cpc...endscreen&NR=1

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Thanks for watching my link from here http://www.dreamviews.com/extended-d...epression.html
and here, The Economic Collapse and The End Of Our Liberty [HQ movie] - YouTube if it was from my thread that got you thinking?


2013! Martial Law Coming Soon!
2013! Martial Law Coming Soon! - YouTube I always seen 2013 as a bad luck year, look the number.

US Soldier Exposing Obama Martial Law New World Order Agenda!!!!
US Soldier Exposing Obama Martial Law New World Order Agenda!!!! - YouTube

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Those and other things have gotten me on a tear about this issue lately. I argued against the NDAA the day it was signed, but I recently looked back on that day and thought about the deafening silence that was in the air and has been ever since. Even if the government doesn't have a totalitarian agenda and are just concerned with a little more power at a time, it is very clear to me now that they could easily pull off totalitarianism. That is the main thing that is wigging me out. The public is letting something outrageously out of the question slide by. That is exactly what allows dictatorships to get powerful. Most Americans seem to think it could never happen here. It could happen here, and we are very rapidly going down the road toward it.

If you think this is only states think again, i am afraid of this> This isn't Canada anymore. - YouTube

Canada is a Corrupt Police State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R0Wzhy1o7I
and i had deja vu when i was 16-17, thinking cops will come to me for no reason, i guess i was wrong, i am put in this time frame once again and i hate it. :(

American Officers To Police Canada- NAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8eq42XN85M

Wake up Canada - New World Order Has Arrived - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlpeIrnKXG8

Police Brutality? Niagara Falls Canada at Free Mark Emery protest (short version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

I was in occupy when I first learned about it. Boy did burst our bubbles and freak us out. A month later, at least in my city, there really wasn't an occupy. Mission accomplished I guess...

Into The Fire - Press For Truth - G20 Toronto Full Movie - YouTube
Truly saddened that this happened near my birthday, June 25 2010.

Oh, I'm not saying it's only happening in the U.S. I'm just in shock because I thought I at least lived in a country where the population would never accept such a travesty, but it's being accepted. I am in disbelief because our 5th Amendment requires a judicial process, and I feel like I am watching the Bill of Rights become irrelevant. I hate that Canada is dealing with government gone mad too. Things are getting ridiculous.

Fortunately, Americans seem to be taking the Second Amendment seriously. That's a plus. The Tenth Amendment doesn't really exist any more. The Sixth Amendment apparently has no meaning as far as the government is concerned. The Fifth Amenment just got stomped pretty hard, and the Fourth Amendment has been on the way out for a while. Speaking of the Fourth, it has not applied to automobiles in any kind of realistic way since more than a decade ago. Now the Supreme Court is dealing with the issue of whether random police dog sniffs of people's houses without a warrant or probable cause are Constitutional. We have a very serious problem on our hands.

When can police dogs sniff at the door? - NBC Politics

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Into The Fire - Press For Truth - G20 Toronto Full Movie - YouTube
Truly saddened that this happened near my birthday, June 25 2010.

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As i am watching this, who the fuck are those people at 47 mins of this video, some not uniformed and looking like a couple of rednecks, and one bloody ass ugly woman with an afro,:holyshit: lookin like a fuckin' texas chainsaw massacre killer, like damn wtf, and with metal rods and telling people to back off like DAMN! A NIGHTMARE

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As i am watching this, who the fuck are those people at 47 mins of this video, some not uniformed and looking like a couple of rednecks, and one bloody ass ugly woman with an afro,:holyshit: lookin like a fuckin' texas chainsaw massacre killer, like damn wtf, and with metal rods and telling people to back off like DAMN! A NIGHTMARE

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They could probably land roles in a Rob Zombie movie.

Lol damn you're right! That bitch especially! I'd like to meet her in a dream sometime and shove that damn stick where the sun don't shine! Fuuuuuuuuuu.....

What's really messed up is - the people are holding up signs saying NWO is coming and here are the police demonstrating that it's basically true.

Shocking Interview Obama Does Not Want You to See. - YouTube
Remember the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqlBHSePw0
Movies always foretell future, reason why i am a big movie fan.

Lol every movie can't come true!! :lol:

Do even the rightwing nutjobs take Alex Jones seriously? He's just a fearmongering idiot. If you watch too much of this stuff you're going to make yourself crazy. The thing to do is, decide what your course of action should be and stop paying too much attention to all this frightening stuff, some of which is close to the truth but a lot of which is over the top and meant to play on your fears.

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Lol every movie can't come true!! :lol:

Do even the rightwing nutjobs take Alex Jones seriously? He's just a fearmongering idiot. If you watch too much of this stuff you're going to make yourself crazy. The thing to do is, decide what your course of action should be and stop paying too much attention to all this frightening stuff, some of which is close to the truth but a lot of which is over the top and meant to play on your fears.

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No but movies have hints, i never said every movie comes true.
Explain, NDDA, & NWO, why our rights are being taken, etc, and why this is happening, we all need to know, even if it is a bit made up or not, i always intend to learn more than what others do.

Oh I agree, this is important stuff and we do need to be informed about it - but I'm not sure youtube videos are the best way to do that. Anybody can put together a video and post it on youtube. I mean, some of them obviously are good - like the police and the riot one - that's just showing something real as it happens. But when videos are edited and have voiceovers, it's just too easy for anybody with a political agenda to slant things to mean whatever they want. Personally I get depressed if I watch too many videos like that - though I do understand it's better to get depressed about videos and be prepared for what's going to happen in reality than to be totally caught off guard when it happens. I'm starting to think it's time to go all Doomsday Prepper or look into moving to another country. Lol, that country WOULD have been Canada, until you started posting these! :panic:

.. And I guess you've already seen Zeitgeist: the Movie? That one messed me up when I first saw it - and now it seems to be coming true:

Zeitgeist: The Movie | Watch Free Documentary Online

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I'm starting to think it's time to go all Doomsday Prepper or look into moving to another country. Lol, that country WOULD have been Canada, until you started posting these! :panic:

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I saved you the trip. lol, Canada is not what it used to be, 13 yrs ago. And i'm sure Americans feel the same at their own country due to rights being taken.
And about gun bans, believe it or not Canada is doing the same and we aren't even a big gun fan like america is, odd eh? but look Australia Protests Gun Ban Wake Up American Your Next.flv - YouTube

CIVIL WAR IN AMERICA, Says DHS Informant...coming martial law..NWO TAKEOVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsVOzOea6og

Ahhhhh fuuuuuck... we're doomed! :parapet:

ILLUMINATI-WHEN MARTIAL LAW HAPPENS [FULL LENGTH] - YouTube
important stuff starts at 19mins of video.

SANDY HOOK - The Documentary (FULL VIDEO) 2013 - YouTube

The US government is preparing to counteract civil unrest due to economic collapse and food riots. Food riots have been happening all across the planet and it's the IMF's doing. Most, if not all war is fought in an attempt by international banking cartels to seize financial systems. Currently it appears as though the US is winning the game but their actions in South America, Africa and the Middle East have actually been subservient to these banking cartels. Furthermore, every single presidential assassination can also be linked to their attempts to liberate the people from private, central banking system by issuing new currency. These are facts you can easily look up, this is not speculation.

If US citizens were to riot due to food shortage or economic collapse, the government will be prepared and it has not hidden this fact. If we wish to regain control over our financial system to prevent food shortage, we must figure out a non-violent means of doing so.

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SANDY HOOK - The Documentary (FULL VIDEO) 2013 - YouTube

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Oh good, another nonsense movie.

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Oh good, another nonsense movie.

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may i ask why you think this?

You should all move over here to the UK.

Our capital city has more CCTV cameras per person, than anywhere else on the planet.
Everyone walks round like the world owes them a debt.
All so wrapped up in their little problems, that they don't give a shit about anyone else.
We used to have a TAX where if a person had glass windows, they would have to pay the government more money.
Fuel is now $ 10.14c per gallon ( Yes that is over ten dollars )
£ 65 billion paid in road duty per year, but only 7 billion spent on roads.
Politicians walk 50 yards through a hallway to dinner. The hallway looked a little boring, so they lined it with potted trees. It cost the same as a house to rent the plants.
Lovely place England.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

You should all move over here to the UK.

Our capital city has more CCTV cameras per person, than anywhere else on the planet.
Everyone walks round like the world owes them a debt.
All so wrapped up in their little problems, that they don't give a shit about anyone else.
We used to have a TAX where if a person had glass windows, they would have to pay the government more money.
Fuel is now $ 10.14c per gallon ( Yes that is over ten dollars )
£ 65 billion paid in road duty per year, but only 7 billion spent on roads.
Politicians walk 50 yards through a hallway to dinner. The hallway looked a little boring, so they lined it with potted trees. It cost the same as a house to rent the plants.
Lovely place England.

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Sounds like Toronto lol

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

You should all move over here to the UK.

Our capital city has more CCTV cameras per person, than anywhere else on the planet.
Everyone walks round like the world owes them a debt.
All so wrapped up in their little problems, that they don't give a shit about anyone else.
We used to have a TAX where if a person had glass windows, they would have to pay the government more money.
Fuel is now $ 10.14c per gallon ( Yes that is over ten dollars )
£ 65 billion paid in road duty per year, but only 7 billion spent on roads.
Politicians walk 50 yards through a hallway to dinner. The hallway looked a little boring, so they lined it with potted trees. It cost the same as a house to rent the plants.
Lovely place England.

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These things seem arbitrary.

In the US a budget committee spent close to a million tax dollars on a conference in Las Vegas, financial institutions have been caught laundering drug money but aren't being prosecuted because they're "too important to the economy," whistle-blower Bradley Manning has spent over 1000 days incarcerated without trial, our healthcare industry sucks 20% of our collective income and rakes in a 75% profit margin, we have more incarcerated citizens than any other country in the planet and most of them are there because of a plant, we spend more money on the military than the rest of the planet combined despite the fact that we're in massive debt, we bailed out banks and financial institutions for bribing politicians to deregulate the economy so they could purposely tip it over, and generally people are more interested in Justin Bieber's love life than any of that.

How much is gasoline in USA ?

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How much is gasoline in USA ?

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You can't compare, because UK has a different currency than the rest of the world.

£1.00 = $1.49
Looks like a comparison to me

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£1.00 = $1.49
Looks like a comparison to me

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Is that euros or pounds? last i checked, UK doesn't have euros.

Guess which group of people these facts are about

29 of them have been accused of partner abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
9 of them written bad cheques
17 have been involved in at least 2 business bankrupcies
3 have been in prison for assault
71 have such poor credit, they can not get a credit card
14 arrested for drug related crimes
8 arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently in lawsuits against them
84 arrested for drink driving ( In the last year )
One is receiving a jail sentance today ( and his wife ) for perverting the course of justice.

To top it off they all have the best 'corporate' pension schemes possible for when they retire.

Did you guess ?????

Well, if you said the British government, you would be right.

Looks like the world is in this mess, and the general public just go along with it like the sheep they are.

I have an idea, rather than complain about which banking district is further along, we acknowledge they're all fucked up. Now what do we DO about it?

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I have an idea, rather than complain about which banking district is further along, we acknowledge they're all fucked up. Now what do we DO about it?

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Now, THAT is the question.

First of all, we need to agree on what the actual problem is.

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First of all, we need to agree on what the actual problem is.

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This sort of reasoning should get you to your goals.
You come over as in intelligent person ( I am new here, so I could be wrong )
To get answers you have to ask, not just one question, but ask if the question you have is the correct question to ask.
Hope that came over as a sane statement.

Well there's multiple trains of thought to deal with. Some people think we should get rid of government altogether, others believe that the government should exist but be afraid of the people. I'm of the latter position in that I believe what is necessary is not violent revolution but a social movement capable of influencing government more than the bribes can. Bribes help win elections, but the people actually win them and contrary to popular belief you can get your representatives to back issues if you harass them enough.

So there's essentially two requirements to create a social movement adequate of improving government, the first is that you need a cause which will actually improve government, and the second is you need to get a lot of people behind it. That's why I say we stand a chance at changing things if we can all agree on what our first priority is. Then we can focus on that first priority, terrify the living shit out of our representatives so they enact it, and move on from there.

So what do you think the very first thing we need to change is?

There is nothing that should be changed suddenly.
There are many truths coming out, and a lot of changes are already happening.
Look to the source of war, and violence. You will find power. Not powerful people, but power to fuel the world.
Oil is at the very top of the list, with many governments getting together to invade small insignificant areas.
Both our countries are guilty of this.
But even higher is greed. Mans need to have "MORE" We are a very selfish race of people.
Get rid of every greedy corrupt politician, and others will just step up, and take their place.
Sort this problem out, and every other problem on the planet will fall away very easily.

Just an opinion.

Have I ever advocated the removal of government officials? I say this, and only this, we have the power and we have forgotten this. We'd rather complain and fear the coming authoritarian apocalypse because it's easier than taking responsibility and making the necessary sacrifices to remind the people in power that they answer to us.

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