Diagnosis required - What is wrong with me ?

When I reply to threads, ideas teem from my head.
So many that I often write in a confusing way.

The ideas are in my head, but getting them into text is quite a task.
I often have to edit my post many times before pushing the "Submit Reply" button.

Writing a paragraph is also a task that is beyond me.

My handwriting is so poor, that I have learned to write in capital letters better than in lower case.

I can not read a book without skipping the boring parts.

Even on here some of the long replies written by the more articulate amongst us, are not read.

Does anyone have a similar problem, or a suggestion that might help.

Thanks in advance,
Phil

I always know exactly what you are saying. But based on what you are saying here, you might have an attention deficit. If you want to improve your ability to articulate what you are thinking, practice goes light years.

Believe it or not, your reply has put a tear in my eye.
I do not know why.

Proper diet may help. Eliminating processed, packaged foods - eating raw, organic vitamin rich fruits and vegetables. Healthy body healthy brain - increase that processing power!

Meditation to increase concentration.

Reading. Not forum posts, but longer articles or better yet novels. This will increase attention span and allow the brain to link concepts together which stretch over multiple paragraphs or chapters. The brain is a muscle, it can be exercised.

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Proper diet may help. Eliminating processed, packaged foods - eating raw, organic vitamin rich fruits and vegetables. Healthy body healthy brain - increase that processing power!

Meditation to increase concentration.

Reading. Not forum posts, but longer articles or better yet novels. This will increase attention span and allow the brain to link concepts together which stretch over multiple paragraphs or chapters. The brain is a muscle, it can be exercised.

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Another of those coincidences that occur
All your advice was taken by me - about one month ago.
I have improved my diet, considerably.
I even read a book from cover to cover, only missing out a few pages. Poul Andersons ' BRAINWAVE"
As for meditation, I have been researching the subject for many months now, but there are a bewildering amount of styles out there. Care to suggest one ?

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

When I reply to threads, ideas teem from my head.
So many that I often write in a confusing way.

The ideas are in my head, but getting them into text is quite a task.
I often have to edit my post many times before pushing the "Submit Reply" button.

Writing a paragraph is also a task that is beyond me.

My handwriting is so poor, that I have learned to write in capital letters better than in lower case.

I can not read a book without skipping the boring parts.

Even on here some of the long replies written by the more articulate amongst us, are not read.

Does anyone have a similar problem, or a suggestion that might help.

Thanks in advance,
Phil

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yep same here. though i usually reread my post then delete it before hitting "submit reply."

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Another of those coincidences that occur
All your advice was taken by me - about one month ago.
I have improved my diet, considerably.
I even read a book from cover to cover, only missing out a few pages. Poul Andersons ' BRAINWAVE"
As for meditation, I have been researching the subject for many months now, but there are a bewildering amount of styles out there. Care to suggest one ?

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My best advice is to eat nothing that is bleached. That includes sucrose (labeled specifically as "sucrose" or "sugar"), bleached wheat flour (Don't trust any wheat flour that doesn't say "whole" or "unbleached" in the ingredients. That is ingredients, not the front package label, which only tells you some stuff that's in it but not all of it.), and rice that is not natural brown rice. Caffeine and excessive marijuana are really bad too. If you knock all of that out, I bet it works wonders. Also, long bike rides and runs can help a whole lot, especially if you do them on a regular basis. This advice isn't just some stuff that makes things a touch better. It can take you to a whole new level of reality.

I think everyone feels that way to some extent. I also find it very hard to write a paragraph, and I've always suspected that typing out a post takes me about 5x as long as it does most people. But it may be for different reasons. I spend most of my time rearranging my sentences, reading it over, changing things around, etc. I've realized that I usually read my entire post over again after writing a sentence.

And while reading other people's posts, yes, I do feel the need to skip the boring parts. If a post is longer than a couple sentences I'll want to skip it all-together. Like if my own posts were being written by someone else, I may skip them.

But I do read very long posts sometimes. I try to read every word of a post. But there's this feeling like it's a huge task that I need to tackle, and I struggle not to 'skim' it. So perhaps it's just something you need to force yourself to do for a while. Read a post while trying to comprehend it and not to skip any parts. If you've read this entire post, you're already doing it. Maybe with enough practice, you'll eventually stop having to try to not get bored.

Could be ADHD. I have pretty much all of those symptoms, and was recently diagnosed. I always thought ADHD was bullshit until I read a couple of books on it and just thought "oh god, this is me to a T." And, oddly enough, hyperactivity isn't necessarily a symptom. I feel like the way we live nowadays just makes people so horrible at processing and connecting large amounts of information.

It's not just for kids anymore!

I used to have ADHD and couldn't complete a thought in my head. It made my communication with people mumbly at best because my brain was always so cluttered. Mindfulness was my answer. Even though I'm not as mindful as I want to be, I have to remember the differences between me and my former self.

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Another of those coincidences that occur
All your advice was taken by me - about one month ago.
I have improved my diet, considerably.
I even read a book from cover to cover, only missing out a few pages. Poul Andersons ' BRAINWAVE"
As for meditation, I have been researching the subject for many months now, but there are a bewildering amount of styles out there. Care to suggest one ?

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There are indeed many types of meditation, and that is of course both good and bad. Good, because one has many chances to find the really appropriate type for one self. Bad, because going through them all may take a while.

What I would suggest, at least for a start, is Vipassana - often called Mindfulness in English. It is essentially an effort of noticing whatever happens to be there to notice - without passing judgement on it at all.

In other words, sit still, notice something, and keep noticing it - and nothing else - without thinking about it. Simply pay attention to it.

The stuff you notice can be anything, the sound of blood rushing past your ears, or any other sound, the feel of a twitch on your nose, or the way it feels, where your upper and lower lips touch, or simply the feel of your breathing; the air going in, and out, in an endless cycle. If you begin to think (which you will), then you could start noticing your thoughts, or your emotions. But whenever you catch yourself blaming yourself, you should stop doing so, and instead return to noticing something - for example how the self-blame feels.

You shouldn't jump from one object to another in quick succession, but stay with it for a while (which will be as little as a few seconds, if it is a one-time sound, or as much as hours or more, if it is your breathing).

In the beginning you will probably struggle to maintain focus on just one thing for more than a fraction of a second, but with perseverance comes the ability to maintain focus unbroken for several seconds, and even minutes. And every second spent in this kind of meditation pays off in the long run.

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As for meditation, I have been researching the subject for many months now, but there are a bewildering amount of styles out there. Care to suggest one ?

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I meditate frequently, but have never researched or tried any specific technique. I simply sit with eyes closed, turn inward and observe my thoughts in a passive non-judgmental way. You are distinguishing between awareness and what awareness is viewing - the thoughts/emotions.

This has many benefits, but will specifically help your concentration problem. Concentration fades because thoughts arise which grab one's attention and distracts them. The less you are distracted by random thoughts the more alert and present you will be.

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yep same here. though i usually reread my post then delete it before hitting "submit reply."

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I do that a lot, I'd probably have over 1,000 posts if I didn't. I almost deleted this reply because it's stupid.

BTW, why is this in extended discussion?

I have just started a very simple exercise in becoming more aware. - Probably an established technique that someone has modified.
It sounds similar to "Mindfull Meditation" but has a different approach.

It involves trying to wake up, when you are already awake. - Sounds daft, I know.
Basically, you imagine you are sleeping, and this is a dream world. Then look around, as if you are in a lucid dream.
Pay attention to every little detail of sound or sensation. Look at everything as if it were new to you.
The next thing to do is try to wake up, as if in real dream.
So far the exercise has produced some unusual results. Many events in my life that were mundane, are now facinating.
Taking a bike ride, eating, or even taking a shower.
Everything seems different somehow. Like it is the first time I have experienced them.
With no extra effort on my part, even real dream recall has become easier. But this might indicate that I am dreaming more.
Dream characters are also talking to me more, and even leaving me with thought provoking ideas.

Does anyone out there have similar results with their meditation practices?

Here is a link that may be useful,,, http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-yoga...-dreaming.html

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I have just started a very simple exercise in becoming more aware. - Probably an established technique that someone has modified.
It sounds similar to "Mindfull Meditation" but has a different approach.

It involves trying to wake up, when you are already awake. - Sounds daft, I know.
Basically, you imagine you are sleeping, and this is a dream world. Then look around, as if you are in a lucid dream.
Pay attention to every little detail of sound or sensation. Look at everything as if it were new to you.
The next thing to do is try to wake up, as if in real dream.
So far the exercise has produced some unusual results. Many events in my life that were mundane, are now facinating.
Taking a bike ride, eating, or even taking a shower.
Everything seems different somehow. Like it is the first time I have experienced them.
With no extra effort on my part, even real dream recall has become easier. But this might indicate that I am dreaming more.
Dream characters are also talking to me more, and even leaving me with thought provoking ideas.

Does anyone out there have similar results with their meditation practices?

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I experience that when I move beyond my mind's label/symbol system. The technique you used is a creative way of doing so which works well for you; I would advise continuing that while sitting in one place without distractions.

There is a great well of power and life which dwells beneath our waking minds, giving rise to and feeding the mind and body. It is very exciting to tap into that potential.

If you're truly concerned, go to a doctor, and I promise you that that's the only advice that will ever help you here.

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If you're truly concerned, go to a doctor, and I promise you that that's the only advice that will ever help you here.

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I disagree. The advice I gave him is much more likely to help him than what a doctor will tell him. Doctors are under the spell of big pharma. They are always thinking, "Hmmm, what pills should I prescribe for this?"

That is not to say that pills are not sometimes needed. Sometimes they are. So is surgery. But conditions like what Phil has are usually best handled through nutrition, exercise, and/or meditation. If the problem persists, he should see a doctor. I just don't want him to be given a false fixation by way of an ADD medication like that cocaine in a pill called Adderall.

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cocaine in a pill called Adderall.

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The fact that you're mixing up the connections between cocaine and Ritalin with a connection between cocaine and Adderall shows me that you definitely aren't in any place to be giving medical advice. Not to mention that you told him caffeine was a problem when it's been shown to help significantly in focus. I also personally believe that sativa (not indica) marijuana can do wonders for focus, but let's not argue about that until it's completely legal and its effects can be freely tested upon with little to no stigma.

And no matter how vehemently I'll argue over what advice is good or what advice isn't, the fact is that I'm not a valid source either. The only person OP needs to talk to right now is the guy who dedicated a hefty portion of his life to helping sick people.

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The fact that you're mixing up the connections between cocaine and Ritalin with a connection between cocaine and Adderall shows me that you definitely aren't in any place to be giving medical advice. Not to mention that you told him caffeine was a problem when it's been shown to help significantly in focus. I also personally believe that sativa (not indica) marijuana can do wonders for focus, but let's not argue about that until it's completely legal and its effects can be freely tested upon with little to no stigma.

And no matter how vehemently I'll argue over what advice is good or what advice isn't, the fact is that I'm not a valid source either. The only person OP needs to talk to right now is the guy who dedicated a hefty portion of his life to helping sick people.

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I used a metaphor. Addrall's effects are very much like that of cocaine. Of course adderall isn't literally composed of cocaine. I assumed you would understand that. Caffeine has a temporary fix aspect, but it is horrible for blood sugar and nerves, and the come down and after effects can really be bad for attention. Marijuana is the worst stuff on Earth for attention, for most people. It depends on the person, though. Abusing pot on a daily basis will leave most people in much more of a fog. I know it affects me and a lot of people I know that way. I dedicated a hefty portion of my life to trying to resolve my personal biological issues, and I learned that nutritional matters are very often not the territory of doctors. The advice I gave will most likely have a major effect. A doctor who gives the same advice is a rare organism.

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I used a metaphor. Addrall's effects are very much like that of cocaine. Of course adderall isn't literally composed of cocaine. I assumed you would understand that. Caffeine has a temporary fix aspect, but it is horrible for blood sugar and nerves, and the come down and after effects can really be bad for attention. Marijuana is the worst stuff on Earth for attention, for most people. It depends on the person, though. Abusing pot on a daily basis will leave most people in much more of a fog. I know it affects me and a lot of people I know that way. I dedicated a hefty portion of my life to trying to resolve my personal biological issues, and I learned that nutritional matters are very often not the territory of doctors. The advice I gave will most likely have a major effect. A doctor who gives the same advice is a rare organism.

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The effects of Adderall have never been linked to cocaine, while Ritalin's have. The fact that you've immediately lumped the two together in your mind tells me a lot.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue about marijuana, it was my opinion.

If a post is boring then I lose interest fast - even if it's short. Like with anything, it depends on the ability of the writer (filmmaker, speaker, what have you) to make it interesting. A long movie can feel short, or a short one can feel like a brutal marathon.

One of the problems with the internet age is that everybody now has a public voice, but not many people really deserve it or know what to do with it.

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The effects of Adderall have never been linked to cocaine, while Ritalin's have. The fact that you've immediately lumped the two together in your mind tells me a lot.

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What do you mean by "never been linked?" They are in the same category, which is called "stimulants." Are you saying their effects are not similar? They in fact are. I told you I used a metaphor. Do you know what a metaphor is? Your willingness to be personally insulting over this topic while ignorant about the topic tells me a lot. Here, learn something...

Drugs Similar To Adderall | LIVESTRONG.COM

Perhaps the most infamous drug that shares some similarity to Adderall, cocaine is a powerful stimulant. Although it is not a member of the amphetamine family, cocaine's stimulant effects are similar to those of amphetamines, reports the DEA--although these arise more quickly and do not last as long as those of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine.

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Adderall abuse can have very serious side effects, similar to manic behavior exhibited by meth or cocaine users, including increased heart rate and high blood pressure. Other side effects include:

Reduced desire for food
Insomnia
Abdominal cramping
Dehydration
Depression
Symptoms of anxiety
Dangerous weight loss

Stimulants | NIDA for Teens

http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/...Stimulants.pdf

Just because they're both stimulants doesn't make them the same.

But whether either of us is right or wrong doesn't matter. Once again, what OP needs is a doctor, not someone on a forum.

Their effects are very similar, as I showed, so my metaphor was legitimate. Even if I had been wrong, the way you came out of nowhere acting like a 12 year old brat would have still been stupid.

The advice I gave works, no matter who gives it. He can try it himself and not have to worry about any appeals to authority.

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Their effects are very similar, as I showed, so my metaphor was legitimate. Even if I had been wrong, the way you came out of nowhere acting like a 12 year old brat would have still been stupid.

The advice I gave works, no matter who gives it. He can try it himself and not have to worry about any appeals to authority.

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The effects are only similar in high dosages, as has been the argument for a long long time. Doubting your medical credibility isn't acting like a twelve-year-old in any way.

Your advice was given based on two posts, while a doctor will have a whole file and the person actually there, not to mention years of education in the subject and far more knowledge than either one of us. Medicine isn't as black and white as you're making it out to be, and just as you have this image of doctors pushing pills as the solution for every situation you're pushing changes in diet the same way.

Does it hurt for TiredPhil to get some advice from his DV friends? Are you thinking good ol' Phil is some kind of child who will take the advice as 100% true? I assume he will just read them, take the ideas as interesting things to think about, and continue to make up his own mind, like an adult.

General medical advice is only bad if the person is passing their opinion off as truth, or misrepresenting their credentials. I see your logic, but to suggest Universal Mind's ideas are harmful, minimizes TiredPhil's ability to think for himself in general.

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Does it hurt for TiredPhil to get some advice from his DV friends? Are you thinking good ol' Phil is some kind of child who will take the advice as 100% true? I assume he will just read them, take the ideas as interesting things to think about, and continue to make up his own mind, like an adult.

General medical advice is only bad if the person is passing their opinion off as truth, or misrepresenting their credentials. I see your logic, but to suggest Universal Mind's ideas are harmful, minimizes TiredPhil's ability to think for himself in general.

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That's why I said "If you're truly concerned" in my first post, right before UM denounced medication. If he's just looking for friendly advice, super. If he thinks he has a serious problem then he's in the wrong place.

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That's why I said "If you're truly concerned" in my first post, right before UM denounced medication. If he's just looking for friendly advice, super. If he thinks he has a serious problem then he's in the wrong place.

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Good enough for me. Peace.

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The effects are only similar in high dosages, as has been the argument for a long long time. Doubting your medical credibility isn't acting like a twelve-year-old in any way.

Your advice was given based on two posts, while a doctor will have a whole file and the person actually there, not to mention years of education in the subject and far more knowledge than either one of us. Medicine isn't as black and white as you're making it out to be, and just as you have this image of doctors pushing pills as the solution for every situation you're pushing changes in diet the same way.

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Do the research. The vast majority of doctors are pill pushers way over being nutritionists. No matter what Phil wants to do with doctors, he should try what I suggested. If everything is okay after he tries my suggestions, what would be the point of seeing a doctor then?

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Do the research. The vast majority of doctors are pill pushers way over being nutritionists. No matter what Phil wants to do with doctors, he should try what I suggested. If everything is okay after he tries my suggestions, what would be the point of seeing a doctor then?

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If OP seriously thinks he has a problem, then no matter what he shouldn't be on a forum asking for a diagnosis. Whether your advice this particular time is valid or not is irrelevant.

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If OP seriously thinks he has a problem, then no matter what he shouldn't be on a forum asking for a diagnosis. Whether your advice this particular time is valid or not is irrelevant.

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I don't think you understand how in the dark most doctors are when it comes to nutritional issues. Phil should try what I said no matter what he does or doesn't do with a doctor. If he sees a doctor, which might be worth checking out to at least get ideas, I can almost guarantee that the doctor is going to be thinking pills and give him a prescription for something fucked up. I have had my own experiences and taught way too many zombie students who are victims of big pharma. ADD pills SUCK. Beware.

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I don't think you understand how in the dark most doctors are when it comes to nutritional issues. Phil should try what I said no matter what he does or doesn't do with a doctor. If he sees a doctor, which might be worth checking out to at least get ideas, I can almost guarantee that the doctor is going to be thinking pills and give him a prescription for something fucked up. I have had my own experiences and taught way too many zombie students who are victims of big pharma. ADD pills SUCK. Beware.

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I've met both people who've gotten great results from ADD medication and people who've gotten terrible results, and not only did they hate it but if you saw them both with and without you could tell it was doing more harm than good. They can work wonders on the right people, and if OP is one of those people then a doctor can help him. Nutrition isn't always the answer and can do good or do harm the exact same way medicine can.

If OP is as concerned about being pushed medication as you, a psychologist is also an option. They aren't allowed to prescribe things and, once again, know more than either of us. No matter what your problem, the internet is not and never has been a good place to get a diagnosis or a cure. Ever.

I am pretty sure most doctors know an incredible amount about nutrition. That is nutritional facts that can be studied and supported.

Here is an example,,, some alternative types say you must eat your veggies raw. They say cooking it removes a vital 'life' element from it. A doctor is probably going to want some proof of this missing 'life' element, as it appears to science that cooked veggies are more thoroughly digested and cause less gas and stomach distress. So,,, I suppose you could laugh and say medical types know nothing, because they fail to acknowledge 'life' as a food component. However, from my way of seeing things the whole easily digestible, less stomach distress, is the winner.

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I've met both people who've gotten great results from ADD medication and people who've gotten terrible results, and not only did they hate it but if you saw them both with and without you could tell it was doing more harm than good. They can work wonders on the right people, and if OP is one of those people then a doctor can help him. Nutrition isn't always the answer and can do good or do harm the exact same way medicine can.

If OP is as concerned about being pushed medication as you, a psychologist is also an option. They aren't allowed to prescribe things and, once again, know more than either of us. No matter what your problem, the internet is not and never has been a good place to get a diagnosis or a cure. Ever.

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I am not saying he should not see a doctor. I am saying that he should be careful with doctors and that the health advice I gave him is good advice no matter what else he does. The nutritional advice I gave him cannot do any harm. I didn't say he should take megavitamins or anything. Bleached grains are horrible and unnatural, caffeine is not something humans have to have, and there is nothing wrong with not abusing pot. I have been through this game myself. I know how it works.

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I am pretty sure most doctors know an incredible amount about nutrition. That is nutritional facts that can be studied and supported.

Here is an example,,, some alternative types say you must eat your veggies raw. They say cooking it removes a vital 'life' element from it. A doctor is probably going to want some proof of this missing 'life' element, as it appears to science that cooked veggies are more thoroughly digested and cause less gas and stomach distress. So,,, I suppose you could laugh and say medical types know nothing, because they fail to acknowledge 'life' as a food component. However, from my way of seeing things the whole easily digestible, less stomach distress, is the winner.

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I am not into the raw foods thing, but I am into natural foods. Ask 100 random doctors what is wrong with bleached grains. I bet most of them have their heads up their asses. I assure that the diabetes epidemic would cease production if bleached grains disappeared off the face of the earth. I am glad doctors care about the scientific method, but they need to look hard into this issue. They are not doing it like they should, though things have gotten better since 20 years ago.

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The nutritional advice I gave him cannot do any harm.

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this time.

Have you noticed that I haven't once said your advice was wrong? The most I've said is that caffeine isn't harmful and that IMO marijuana can potentially help. You just keep trying to talk about your problem with doctors.

I've said this like five times, but no matter how legitimate your advice is and no matter whether it's harmful or not, if OP seriously, truly is concerned about his health and mental well-being he should never have come to a forum. But just the same, as I also said, if he just wants some friendly advice then whatever.

And I haven't said he shouldn't see a doctor. I just told him to beware of bad advice and not to expect any kind of nutritional solution to be offered.

You said that caffeine isn't harmful. It really can be for some people.

The best defense against hypoglycemia ... [Diabetes Technol Ther. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

This is an article from one of the rare doctors who actually understands this stuff.

http://www.drday.com/attentiondeficit.htm

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Preventing Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and ADHD by Dr. Lorraine Day

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It scares me to think that anyone might believe the things on that page without a second source of any kind. It looks like it was made in 99, claims that my doctor can't cure me, and that accepting God has medicinal value. She repeatedly names off percentages without so much as a single source and skimming through the first page nearly everything she says is either a fallacy or an ignorance of anything that doesn't support her claims.

I don't know how a smart person like you could see that website and think "Yes! This is credible information!" but I seriously recommend you stop trying to use it to support any argument. It looks very foolish on your part.

Also some people are allergic to dogs, that doesn't make them bad or mean that others can't have them or love them or be happier with them with no adverse symptoms. In the majority of the population (by a landslide) caffeine has absolutely no undesirable long-term effects and the only threats are possible withdraw and possible crash.

People with hypoglycemia and diabetes need to avoid caffeine. I didn't get that from that article. I have known it for decades due to many sources and my own experience. The article I posted is not meant to be my ultimate source. It is an article from a medical doctor (which means so much to you) about stuff I already knew. So there's a doctor for Phil. The last line about God isn't something I agree with, but the nutritional information is factual.

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People with hypoglycemia and diabetes need to avoid caffeine. I didn't get that from that article. I have known it for decades due to many sources and my own experience. The article I posted is not meant to be my ultimate source. It is an article from a medical doctor (which means so much to you) about stuff I already knew. So there's a doctor for Phil. The last line about God isn't something I agree with, but the nutritional information is factual.

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Who said OP had either of those things? Now you're just restating what I already said as if it was your point all along.

It's an article with no sources by a doctor trying to state all of it as fact for every single person who has trouble focusing. She uses several fallacies and refuses to look at anyone's side of this but her own. If I met a doctor like her in real life I would discredit them just the same.

Also I'm having trouble finding the place on her website where she confirms she's a doctor. Guide me? All I can see is her ten-step plan to curing cancer and the fact that she believes AIDS can be transmitted through kissing.

BTW, and I think I've said this to some extent - The article about ADHD has some great advice referring to what you should be eating, and everybody should try their best to avoid things that are harmful, but to flaunt it as some kind of cure for ADD or ADHD is both factually and ethically wrong.

What are a doctor's usual sources in a clinic room?

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What are a doctor's usual sources in a clinic room?

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Well for one thing actual proof that they're a doctor.

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Well for one thing actual proof that they're a doctor.

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Lorraine Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaker 2011 - LORRAINE DAY, M.D.

Success Stories

https://www.doximity.com/pub/lorraine-day-md

Your conversation has departed from the OP. Remember what this thread was created for and post accordingly. TiredPhil may still need support.

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Your conversation has departed from the OP.

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We are discussing what advice Phil should take.

Do not stop this on my behalf.
All the points of view coming forward are very interesting, and I am taking a lot of the advice on board.
Not saying which, though.

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Lorraine Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaker 2011 - LORRAINE DAY, M.D.

Success Stories

https://www.doximity.com/pub/lorraine-day-md

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Stay Away from Dr. Lorraine Day

Encyclopedia of American Loons: #98: Lorraine Day

At this point I don't know if you're trying to tell me her information is credible or trying to show me that doctors too can give bad advice. I'm thinking it's the latter.

No, I was just illustrating what is stated in your first link: "Dr. Day graduated from the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine in 1969 and then trained in orthopedic surgery at two San Francisco hospitals." That's all I was going for.

You suggested earlier that there is no proof that she is a doctor. Now you have it. I know first hand that what she says makes sense. Phil can try it out for himself and see the truth of it. So can anybody else reading this.

The pharmaceutical industry's worst nightmare are doctors who spread the truth about natural treatments. Of course they are going to put propaganda against them on the internet.

But any way, Lorraine Day is a verified medical doctor.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, I was just illustrating what is stated in your first link: "Dr. Day graduated from the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine in 1969 and then trained in orthopedic surgery at two San Francisco hospitals." That's all I was going for.

You suggested earlier that there is no proof that she is a doctor. Now you have it. I know first hand that what she says makes sense. Phil can try it out for himself and see the truth of it. So can anybody else reading this.

The pharmaceutical industry's worst nightmare are doctors who spread the truth about natural treatments. Of course they are going to put propaganda against them on the internet.

But any way, Lorraine Day is a verified medical doctor.

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The world's worst enemy is somebody who makes money off of dying people claiming they can cure cancer.

No doctor is against a natural remedy, and no natural remedy is discarded just because it's natural. Aspirin is a natural remedy, for God's sake. Alternative medicine, by definition, has either not yet been proven to work, or been proven not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.

That article you just called "propaganda" had in-text citations after every single claim and served only to discredit blatantly false information by an evil woman looking to make a buck off of lying to sick people.

I am not an expert on cancer, but I do know what can be done about diabetes, hypoglycemia, and attention deficit and that the medical industry at large doesn't push it much but DOCTOR Lorraine Day does.

My advice for cancer patients is to follow doctor's orders while knowing the downside of chemotherapy and to also try Lorraine Day's natural treatments. That is her advice also.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am not an expert on cancer, but I do know what can be done about diabetes, hypoglycemia, and attention deficit and that the medical industry at large doesn't push it much but DOCTOR Lorraine Day does.

My advice for cancer patients is to follow doctor's orders while knowing the downside of chemotherapy and to also try Lorraine Day's natural treatments. That is her advice also.

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And I do know that if there were a treatment that actually worked and was as simple as people like you and Dr. Day make it out to be, it wouldn't be a big secret and she wouldn't get to market it as "what doctors don't want you to know".

Also are we just ignoring the parts where she believes AIDS is a government cover-up and that the Swine/Bird flues were hoaxes? Just because she's a doctor doesn't mean she's mentally sound or anybody we should believe. That's why I thought you were just trying to show me an example of a doctor who wasn't credible.

You keep changing the subject, and I told you I am not an expert on cancer. I know some major stuff she is right about. The point was that she is a doctor. You said you didn't have proof of it. Remember?

Look at my Sandy Hook thread to see how much I trust the government. The conspiracies you mentioned are possible, though I am not convinced of their realities, but they are beside the point.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You keep changing the subject, and I told you I am not an expert on cancer. I know some major stuff she is right about. The point was that she is a doctor. You said you didn't have proof of it. Remember?

Look at my Sandy Hook thread to see how much I trust the government. The conspiracies you mentioned are possible, though I am not convinced of their realities, but they are beside the point.

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Yeah, and I now accept that she's a doctor. I never said I didn't believe she was, all I said was I couldn't find proof on her site. That's over.

You don't have to be an expert in cancer to know that any ten-step plan to curing it is a load of fucking bullshit.

By the way, she isn't exactly an expert in cancer either. Or attention deficit. Or AIDS or swine flu or any of that stuff, she was an orthopedic surgeon. She specialized in the skeletal system.

I am not going to beat this dead horse any beyond this post, but I know with as much certainty as I can know anything that what she says about natural foods and how they relate to hypoglycemia, diabetes, and ADD is correct. Phil can check it out for himself if he wants to. I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Phil can check it out for himself if he wants to.

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And nobody has ever said otherwise.

And nobody has said anybody did.

Okay, I'm done with this issue metamorphosis dialogue. If you really want to have the last word that bad, go ahead.

Sometimes I consider having the last word in a thread but if anyone should have it, the honor should belong to TiredPhil. ;)

I was referring to my dialogue with Jesus.