From another thread discussion:
Note: I have placed this here, because I think it is related to this thread topic and I want to comment on these points being made, without disrupting the other thread topic from where these were lifted.
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1. Adam and Eve were like the rest of us and were as the scriptures attest, spirit children of God, our Eternal Father who is indeed the father of all his spirit children.
Adam and Eve were not like the rest of us, for many reasons, some of which I now note:
1. Eve's body was made through the process of cloning.
2. Adam had a direct and apparently visible relationship with his creator.
3. There is no mention of Eve having the breath of YHVH.
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2. Each of us as spirit children of divine parents received spirit bodies and in heaven were on our mission to grow and become prepared to receive at our appointed time physical bodies of flesh and bone.
This is only true of those who know it to be the case.
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3. Adam and Eve dwelt in the Garden off Eden for a unspecified period which could have been hundreds of years.
I think 30 years is a useful timeline, if we are going to include that in the debate.
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4. They had no children during their entire time in the garden.
This may have been because Eve was a later addition - perhaps around year 28/29
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5. They appear to have all memory of their pre-earth life erased like the rest of us when we were born.
This is because it was important re YHVH's plan. Without the sentience experiencing being 'human', the results will be smudged. Authenticity produces the results YHVH requires.
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6. In their child like innocence according to the Bible their eyes were not yet opened to understand good or evil. In other words they had zero experience in exercising the power of agency.
Another reason for the authenticity. Without the tabula rasa in place, the authenticity could not be established.
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7. As such they were not capable of understanding the consequences of exercising agency.
Assuming Adam was the main player for most of this time, yes - he was capable as a sentient person of learning such things as he naturally grew.
Adam could have started out as a toddler in the garden, tended to by the messengers delivering YHVH's will as part of the process.
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8. There is nothing to indicate that they had any concept of what this new word death meant.
This appears to be the case.
However, 30 years of living on this planet would have shown Adam sufficient evidence that things die. Things were created by YHVH, to have a 'use-by date'.
Adam would have learned at some point that he was a 'Spirit' and perhaps even realized that he probably had some prior existence, even if he did not know the details.
In that, it might be argued that Adam had no understanding of death the way YHVH was meaning it.
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9. At that point in history they were unaware that God had appointed a time for all men to die.
This may have been the case because there was the tree of life, which Adam was permitted to eat of, which any humans existing outside of the garden would not have had access to.
In order for this to be the case, Adam must have had some type of access to knowledge of things happening outside of Eden.
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10. At that time they were not yet informed that Jesus Christ was foreordained before the foundations of this world to become the savior of all mankind.
11. At that time they were not informed that all mankind would be redeemed and by his atonement be resurrected and overcome death.
Adam may have been aware of this information, if he had of had access to his former existence, before being transferred [breathed] into the human form YHVH prepared for the Spirit which 'became' "Adam".
But yes, the information was - perhaps - not accessible to Adam as it would have had no relevance to him prior to eating the forbidden fruit.
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12. Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden as immortal beings not subject to death.
It is uncertain as to the state of Eve, as we do not know much about how human clones think or act re sentience.
However, Adam - as the authentic personality YVHV was growing in the garden - was only able not physically die, if he ate of the fruit of life.
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13. They received the God given gift of agency and told that they may chose for themselves.
That is the sentience given to the body-set, which then 'became' the "Adam" personality.
The ability to choose, is the natural state of sentience, once perimeters are set up where choices can be made.
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14. I find nowhere any evidence or statement that God cursed Adam.
There is mentioned of YHVH cursing the clone - Eve - with the pain of childbirth, but - like with death - If they were eventually going to mate, it would have been inevitable that Eve would eventually experience giving birth to children and experiencing all the pain that goes with that.
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15. It appears that mortality is indeed a part and parcel of our mortal probation on this earth.
We [as "spirits"] are here to assist YHVH with the growing of human personalities which can be useful to YHVH's Plans.
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16. Death has never denied anyone from receiving every blessing God has ever promised including eternal life.
This is not necessarily correct.
Those who do not come to the understanding that they are Spirit Children of YHVH here to assist YHVH with The Plan, either by believing that they are simply products of the human brain, or believing that they are the body-set rather than Children of YHVH are still somewhat blessed by YHVH [because YHVH wants them to understand themselves as Children of YHVH] rather than simply that which turns to dust and fades into oblivion, only hoping in being chosen by YHVH to be resurrected.
Such would only happen if there were those personalities among the dead, seen to be still useful to YHVH. Otherwise they stay on ice until, if ever, YHVH finds a use for them.
Overall, the object of The Plan is for YHVH to grow personalities which are useful to the objective of The Plan.
Any who cannot say that they are Spirit Children of YHVH, are simply not, by their own admission.
