Should Israel exist

The Zionist movement started harmlessly enough as Jews began to move to Palestine during the 19th Century. They bought property. They lived as members of the Ottoman Empire just like everybody else. But it was England's Ambition to Conquer the World that landed us all into trouble. Over several million dead bodies England forceably stole the Empire from the Ottomans, and then did not know how to administer it. So we had the Instability that allowed for the criminal motives of the Radical Zionists. They decided they would betray their Palestinian Neighbors and declare their own Nation and conduct a massive confiscation of Palestinian properties and forceably eject the Palestinians out of what had been their Land, which had been respected by the Ottoman Rulers, being more Civilized then the English. Of course, no Civilized person can condone such behavior.

George Bush would call it respecting the "Realities on the Ground"... that Israel had stolen it five minutes ago and now it is as good as theirs. Somebody needs to steal something from George Bush and see if he respects his own doctrine, that once stolen, it no longer belongs to him.

It would be fine if the Palestinians had ever surrendered in War, but that is just the point. They have never surrendered.

In real estate law we have a notion called Hostile Defense. In the American West if somebody encroaches upon some land and puts it to productive use for 20 years without the Deeded Owner putting up a "Hostile Defense", which means nothing more than once putting a phone call through to the Sherif in order to complain, the the Usurper can claim for a Title Transfer... I was using it, he was not, and he never complained.

But from the very first minute, until now, for how many years you wish to count, Palestine has Hostily Defended its right to their stolen properties, to their stolen Nation.

Since America and Britain are the only Nations on earth that support this Thievery, well, they should make it right. Either move Israel to Scotland or California -- let them see how it feels to be forced from their homes. Or move Palestine to Scotland or California, giving them enough compensation whereby they are willing to make the deal. But of course without any of the present duress and violence.

Dropping bombs on ones victims and assassinating their every spokesmen in order to establish an absolute intimidation, is not really a way to assure a lasting Peace. If too much Duress is involved in a Peace Treaty, well in every legal sense, it invalidates the contract. Any valid Contract must involve a real interest accruing to each party, and not just "We will stop murdering your babies if you agree to our crimes". Suspension of Duress and Violence does not count as any Legally recognized accrual of interest.

But George Bush never studied law... nor anybody who voted for him.

I voted Yes , probably one of the few who did.
But to me the Question ''Should Israël exist?'' comes down to ''Should my jewish Family in Israël be saved from exile from their homecountry?''

Well my YES is a firm YES because we have all seen what happened to the Jews in WW2. And I also took note that the racist Anti-semite have never disappeared and is back now more than ever, mainly due to false one sided media coverage . My family in Northern Israël had to leave their hometown Qiryat Shimona because it was just raining missiles.The whole town is burning and still under missile and katchusha fire. However you hear surprisingly little about THIS side of the conflict. The media creates a false pre-fixed image of a conflict while there's so much more to it.

Hezbollah , just like Hamas, Fatah, Al Aqsa and other Militant Brigades fighting for ''the bloody murderous Palestinian cause'' claim to be very integre and rightious....However they do NOT fight for peace for the lebanese, or the Palestinians...They fight to destroy Israël to the last inch. How can I be so certain?:

Years ago at times of cease fire agreements with Hezbollah, Hezbollah would simply continue firing katchusha mortars on Northern Israëli Villages and cities to cause Massive Israëli Civilian Death. Hezbollah is not on speaking terms and thus Israël's only option to save it's people from murderous terror is to push Hezbollah back into northern Libanon.....and that is only possible by war since the Lebanese Government doesn't do anything about the Hezbollah ( They wouldn't dare Disarming Hezbollah since Hezbollah is Iran's Long arm ) My family shall not lie when they phone us that they are in a bombshelter because they're under fire.

And if Israël should be dismantled, where should the Jewish people go? it seems no other place Really wants us...and certainly not now that anti-jewish sentiment and violence is now stronger than ever.
You know, even though not everyone is a racist...too many people are. Basically the world hates us Jews. Never been any different. So it is no wonder Jewish folks from Europe after WW2 thought: let's get the fuck out of here before it happens again. Let's return to our homeland of old so we can defend ourselves with borders. As a, nonrelugious, but involved jewish person with a jewish background I know how deep the hatred for the Jews runs. And that it is only a matter of Time before it peaks and gets out of hand again. Before that Time, I think I'll move to Israël myself too.

Just Imagine being Jewish: Half the world hates you. Kinda sucky..but FUCK the world.
And WHO the hell do Europe think they are to be in ANY position to critisize The Jewish state of Israël: it is Europe's more than 1000 years old disgustingly racistic sentiment that made the Jewish people flee to Israël. And now they're telling us to stop defending ourselves,die and let Hezbollah Bomb our people and Hostage our soldiers(In this action also 8 other Israëli soldiers were killed: the Media ''failed'' to mention that as distinctly as the people of lebanon and palestine ( who are sufferig too: and yeah I am a human being with feelings. It's really sucky for them and they don't deserve to be in between all of this violence...but alas. But my family that left everything behind in their Northern Israëli hometown and had to flee the missiles and move to their daughter's house in Tel Aviv, more down South, is Just as sad.

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Sure, but not by stealing some other people's Land.
Israel was conceived by Lord Balfour who was paying back the Rothchild Banking Enterprise for the German Gold Reserves that were transferred to England during the first World War. The Palestinian People were not consulted. England felt that they won the World War and thus they had every right to Rule the World as they choose fit. They gave the Jews the Land of Palestine to pay off the German Jews for their Treason.
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Well if only the Brittish would have told the Jews: ''Well WW2 proved that this world is one dangerious bitch for you guys so Welcome back into your own country'' that'd been just great.

Too bad the Brittish only saw Israël as Their Colonial Pride (yeah Israël was a Brittish mandate) and since they didn't want to loose it they sent the newly arrived jews back in a boat to Prisons in Cyprus from which they'd have to return to ''not so friendly'' Europe. Jews kept comming back, and no wonder, and Eventually after the UN forced the UK to give the Jewish people their well-deserved state, The Brittish gave it up and the Stae of Israël was born in 1948. But before that happened, The Brittish did EVERYTHING within their power to keep the Jews away from Israël: They even set up an anti-jewish Sentiment amongst the Local Arabs there and Founded Arab Brigades and supplied them with weapons to fight the Jews...Which are the same people with the same sentiment fighting Israël now, today.

The UK Started and Fueled this Conflict .
The Palestinian Authorities (READ: Religiously Insane Militant Movements) and vast Majority of the Palestinian people never embraced the Jewish people with open arms at all: They have always been Intolerant . Their Overly fanatic Religious and racist views have been the reason for this Violent Intolerance: The Jewish people would have had no problem living in an Israël where Palestinians and Israëlis coexisted as neighbors.I mean FUCK do you really think that people who have just escaped Violent Mega-Doom are in any mood to start another, senseless war? It is what you hear from Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Aqsa Spokesmen.( people the UN, for some stupid reason, think you can trust...UN needs new glasses, away with their pink colored irrational hippy glasses, they should see the world and it's people sharp and for what it is.

Really too bad that, at first, the Brittish, and later, the local Arab population did not see it this way too.
That's why Israël has always been a beseiged country. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa, Al Fatah, Al Quds, PLO are organisations bent on Israël's Destruction: With the same sentiment from the Brittish Colonial period after WW2. They teach their Children at young age in Hezbollah SCHOOLS to hate the jews , not to trust them and that they are treaturious and arrogant. And that they are descendants of pigs and monkeys: If that's where this Religious racist berzerk Hatred and Violence already STARTS at the age of 5 I don't see how the Hezbollah and friends, claiming to be so Integre and Rightious, Contribute to a peacefull middle east.

All they do is continue killing more and more Civilians, and causing more and more friction between Middle Eastern nations. It was THEM that brought this war into Lebanon, by Using Lebanon as a Artillery base to cause death and terror amongst Israëli civillians. There is no negociating with an organisation who's demand is to destroy all of Israël and kill all of it's people. These are no terms to be taken serious. They are large scale death threats by hatefull people that should be answered and erradicated.
They should be eliminated to the point where they are just to weakened and fragmented to lead organised Artillery attacks on Israëli Civilians.


That's my View on this. pretty firm
But people: DON'T TRUST THE MEDIA : there are so many sides, historical events and other background information that will never be shown by the media. Did you know that during the Syrian/Egyptian invasion of the land Israël alot of Arab and northAfrican bedouins Fought WITH Israël against the Egyptians to push them back out of Israël? Bedouins are a friendly, neutral people who have always lived like kings in Israël...of course they wanted to fight on Israël's side. There are so many things, Crucial when forming an opinion about this conflict, that most if not all of you don't know. You only see what They(media) want you to see.

Because I noticed how false and subjective The media was covering this and how far it was from reailty ( which I have seen many times with my own eyes) I learned not to trust the media . So even if there's news about War in Sudan....I don't take it as seriously either.

I voted no..

And I like the metaphors better.

It's like being lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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I voted no..

And I like the metaphors better.

It's like being lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.
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Sooo....you mean to say? Why should my Family not have the Right to exist in a Jewish state?
It's funny how often you hear people say about foreigners ''Go back to your own country!'' and how the Jews, who have fled back to their ancient homeland are told to MOVE OUT OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY..

I don't get it. Is there so little understanding for the desire of the jewish people to safely live in the land of Israël?

Media has really messed up your mind. and alot of minds.

BTW what argument is that anyway? a Lame duck? Lame joke about a serious conflict.
Why shouldn't Israël have the right to exist according to you then?

People don't understand they don't get to see the truth: just the parts Media WANTS you to see. It is how western nations form public opinions amongst their own people: People are so easily influenceable.

Example: Say if you watched a Friend of yours touch another guy's girlfriend's Butt and the guy Punched your friend dwon. You'd pronanly think '' Well he had it comming, his own fault''

Now if THE SAME thing would be happening, but then this time you were looking at a very attractive person while your friend touches this girls butt and you look around and see you friend get hit.... You'll be like: ''Hey leave my freidn alone you asshole!''

See how Easily our Opinions are falsely formed when we don't get to see ALL of the truth. It's pure Indoctrination of which most are unaware, but their opinionms are usually hard and almost ''programmed'' in mind Thinking the Truth is the ''Israëli/Palestinian David and Goliath story'' they get presented by the Media, because it's all they get to see.
Don't think you are shown the full conflict in all it's sides. And untill you've seen the Complete Truth your Idea of this conflict is seriously messed up.

Wide Scale media Mindfucking people. And they all buy it. except for a few who have ears eyes and hearts of their own. If you think a Hizbollah Rocket attack in Northern Israëli Civilians you are Either a Terrorist yourself or a terrorism Sympathiser. The main issue in the latest Israël/Lebanon conflict is: HIZBOLLAH SHOUDL STOP LAUNCHING GODDAMN MISSILES AND BOMBS ON OUR PEOPLE. If they would stop, which isn't gunna happen, we would have no reason at all fighting them. You think Israël just felt like a Militairy game or somethinmg? In what kind of world do you live?

A media-created lie...and trust me you're not the only one. all the masses go with the obvious. While people with ears eyes and a heart of their own will recognise the Truth that they WONT show and tell you.

Dear SKA

My. I wonder how you can entertain such tone that assumes some entitlement for the Jews to just walk in and take over other people's homes, or how you can assume that the British had every right to dictate massive confiscations within an occupied Territory -- they had acquired the Ottoman Empire only by conquest but by International Law did not have any right to confiscate Private Properties. Pillaging an entire People's Nation should not be condoned by any moral person... but you condone it just fine.

Everything you say indicts the Arabs for hating the Jews. Well, duh. Did not the Jews hate the Nazis? Do the Blacks not hate the KKK? Do women not hate their rapers? Don't you hate it when somebody would steal you car?

Your point seems to be that the Jews can do anything they want... violate any moral restriction... rules that everybody else is expected to obey... but for which the Jews... and the British by extension, or exempted from.

Yes, yes, yes... the Bible calls the jews the Chosen People of God. Well, that would mean something if the Book was not entirely produced by Jewish Writers. What is this Bible but the jewish "Mein Kempf".

But then, what about other Tribal Religions. Is every People who claim Racial Superiority as a Religious Right supposed to be indulged in their thrusts of conquest and genocide. Was Hitlers mistake not to make himself an Official Prophet for a German Religion just as valid as any Jewish Religion would be? And then there is Japanese Shintoism.. which is nothing more than Japanese Nationalism that requires bowing and the lighting of candles. So it is that Japan has its natural and unselfconscious arrogance, and their dismissive attitude for any other Asian People or Power. But does Religion make this institutionalized Hatred morally correct or Internationally Acceptable.

No.

When any people, even if they are Jews, set up a policy of Racial or Ethnic Supremacy, and go about implementing policies to victimize the rest of the World... to subjugate other People's, then they deserve the Hatred they have provoked through their own actions, behaviors and policies.

If it is wrong to be a Nazi. If it is wrong to be a KKK. Then it is wrong to be a Zionist.

Honestly, why couldn't Jersusalem have been in Antarctica or something. Nothing down there but penguins. :)

no, because war is evil and any country which continues it and does not try to end it, has evil within it...and thats just plain wrong, and people use religion to justify war, that discusts me, the word religion means to bring together, and that is what it should be doing, bringing all kinds of people togetherfor the good of humanity, not to tear it apart...

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no, because war is evil and any country which continues it and does not try to end it, has evil within it...and thats just plain wrong, and people use religion to justify war, that discusts me, the word religion means to bring together, and that is what it should be doing, bringing all kinds of people togetherfor the good of humanity, not to tear it apart...
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Sure I would have to Agree. I would love to see people realise that their not arabs, or jews, muslims or Christians...But people, all people. Religion has driven us so far appart and so out of touch with eachother. It has put us into devided camps. It is why I am certainly NOT a supporter of Religion. Religion is where Innocent, Harmless FAITH gets Corrupted, Organised and used to indoctrinate and dictate society ...and with sucess:

Look at what Religiously Motivated Extremist Organisations such as Hamas, PLO, Al Aqsa, Qasam Brigades, Al Fatah and Hizbollah do.
Look at what Hizbollah did: They nest themselves deep into the social Structure of Lebanon. They ''Hijack'' the social life there: That's why in South Lebanon there's only Hizbollah Schools, Hizbollah Hospitals, Hizbollah Neighberhood watch, Hizbollah EVERYTHING...They control Society .

And they don't use it to do any good: In their school Children's first song they sing is a song that goes: ''Arabs are beloved, Jews are Dogs'' A Lebanese Child will endure a childhood, and probably lifetime, of Hizbollah Dictated Hate Indoctrine against Israël and the Jewish Presence in the Middle East. I heard a radio interview with a former Palestinian Terrorist who had come to realise how insane the hatred Indoctrine against the Jews was. I'll post the Link if my mom is back home: She has it. This interview will give you alot of insight on the extreme hate Ideology and Motives of So called Sovereign Organisations such as Hizbollah and Hamas.

Hizbollah ; the organisation said to be so sovereign, has to my undenieable knowledge never stopped Bombing Northern Israëli Towns and Cities. Even after the Cease Fire Agreement and Withdrawal from the Israëli army ot of Southern Lebanon in 2000 the Bombing of Civilians never stopped: I saw a big crater of where a katchusha had hit near the Gymnhall that was part of my Cousin's Public SwimmingPool. It was a large impact hole and the pressure of the explosion had bursted all windows of the Gymn hall.
What has my Cousin, Running a Public Swimming pool in a Town near the foot of the mountain, Ever done Wrong to Hizbollah or Lebanon?




Nothing.




My other family In Northern Israël ( My Aunt, Another Aunt and My Uncle, My 3cousins and my grandmother before she died, have called us many many times to say that they were in Bombshelters because Hizbollah was Attacking them with Mortars and that they were okay.
Hizbollah are murderers that fire mortars and missiles at civilians non-stop, no matter what cease fire agreements you make with them: They won't negociate: They speak with mortars.

That leaves the Israëli government no choice but to speak back in this language. It's appearantly the only way Hizbollah is EVER going to stop Bombing Israëli Civilians.

I'm not going to say much because I don't really have a whole lot to say.

However, I'm upset at how the international community feels that it MUST intervene between these two waring nations. I'm as appalled as the next person at the cruelties of war, but this is between Israel and Hesbolla (sp?) and who are we to intervene? Lebanon made it perfectly clear that they don't want us (the US) to intervene and I'm sure that while Israel appreciates our support, they make their own decisions regardless our opinions on the war.

It's like two kids who have grown up fighting. Now, an adult can come in and break it up, and should, but if the kids can't reconcile their differences together, they will grow up enemies. Sure an adult can try to explain why they should get along, but the adult doesn't know the whole story (though they may know a lot) and they can't make up the children's' minds for them.

My thoughts are kind of scattered, but they usually are when it comes to Extended Discussion and the like. All in all, I don't think that the international community should try sending in troops to try and stop this (which probably wouldn't work), or come up with a "plan of action" that both groups must agree to... or else... or else what?

The problem with just leaving them be is that the US government funds almost the entire military budget for israel.

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The problem with just leaving them be is that the US government funds almost the entire military budget for israel.
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And it's a good thing they Do, Because that budget will go into Militairy equipment and troops,defending the lives of my Israëli family and 1000nds of other Harmless Israëli civilians who are constant victims of Katchusha bombardments of Hizbollah. They ned to be kept away from our Northern Border so they cannot Fire Bombs on our Civillians. How obvious is that? You can't let some terrorist organisation, that won't recognise the State Israël and wants to destroy it, have their way with your Civilians.Bombing them constantly from the Golan mountains: I have been there, in Those Mountains, Seen a Mortar-Crater near my Cousin's Public Pool, heard stories of bombardments from my Family, been in an Israëli armycamp at the Border with Lebanon, watched over parts of South-Lebanon. This is the side of the Truth that the Media DOESN'T show the Public. The Media's head is so far up The Arab Oil Sheikh's Arse, I can't tell where the media ends and the Oil Sheikh begins. You see that is why the Media is so Subjective: it's pure, mainly saudi & Iranian, oil business-power that they use as a Political Tool to influence Western Media. People do everything for money.

Everyone needs to read Exodus by Leon Uris before throwing their opinion out there. If you dont know its a novel about the birth of Isreal.

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Everyone needs to read Exodus by Leon Uris before throwing their opinion out there. If you dont know its a novel about the birth of Isreal.
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I don't know this book, what's it about? In a Nutshell...
If it's about the Exodus and Jewish History and the Kingdom of Israël, yeah that may be some meaningfull information to read. People should first realise what the Jews are doing in Israël and why it is Ignorant and easy to just say ''they stole that land from those poor people, bastards''.

People need to know the background stories and histories behind all parties in this conflic before forming an oppinion against any of the parties: You cannot Oppose that which you do not fully know and understand what it is. In this Case it's Zionism, and Why the Jews had to move back to Israël?
If people would spend some time Reading about the History of this Land, and the many Different Cultural populations that all have their own Historical roots lying in this Land, perhaps they would understand the motivatiosn and sentiments better and form a more solid and Credible Opinion based on KNOWLEDGE. Not letting emotion take the Mind of you after having seen Lebanese casualties of an Israëli bombardment and just deciding that ''The Zionists are Beasts!''. I know plenty of people who reason their anti-Israël Sentiment like that. Pathetic.

KNOWLEDGE. Think with your Mind. Not with your Heart. It will show you the Truth

I voted 'no', and Leo stated his opinion most eloquently.

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So I suppose you think it's a good thing that most terrorists and suicide bombers come from the Middle East? They want to kill us all! There will never be peace there.
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Can you show us where you found this information? Or is it the fact that the media focuses in so hard on the middle-east that gets you to believe that most terrorist are soully middle-eastern? And "there will never be peace there" is a very negetive comment, one I wouldn't have expected from a forum mod :?

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Well, I honestly think that a family of jews should just knock down your door and throw you and your children out on the straight, with the explanation that God loves them, and that you and your family are second rate and subhuman.
That is what you would deserve. If you would take fairness away from others, you should have it taken from you.
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Well said!! :thanks:

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I voted 'no', and Leo stated his opinion most eloquently.
Can you show us where you found this information? Or is it the fact that the media focuses in so hard on the middle-east that gets you to believe that most terrorist are soully middle-eastern? And "there will never be peace there" is a very negetive comment, one I wouldn't have expected from a forum mod :?
Well said!! :thanks:
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Well Said Bullshit indeed., Because that is nopt the way the Jewish People migrated back to Israël. There's too many here who know little to basically nothing about this conflict and just Jump on the Bandwagon against Zionism. Any one with a little insight into the suffering of others would Feel Sympathy for the Suffering Palestinian and Lebanese Population. BUT ALSO you would understand and feel the Suffering of the Jewish People and have at least SOME understanding for their desires, motives and RIGHT to live in Israël: Unwanted and hated in most parts of the World due to WideSpread Xenophelia based Racist beliefs that Prophecise that the Jews are forging a World Domination Conspiracy. Listen, I'm, Jewish, a real Kike, feel Comitted through a Cultural way: I haven't been Planning any World Dominations Lately. I've got better occupations to spend my days with. I'm only Smoking joints, Playing guitar and enjoying life as much as Fate allows me. So I hope you people here understand why these BullShit Racial Stories and paranoid Conspiracy theories around ''The Jews'' are so rediculously full of Ignorant Prejudice.

I'm so sick of those Ideaologies and the masses of people who just find it ''amusing'' and Rebelious fun to jump on the Anti-Israël band wagon.

Extreme Religious and/or Racist beliefs have always blown my Mind as I Observed their Violent Manifestations on the news and with my Own ears and Eyes in this Crazy World we live in: How we, as Human Beings, allow our selves to be devided and put into camps and team up against eachother so easily:

I see Arabs, Negros, Asians, Jews, Northern Europeans, Slavonic peoples...as PEOPLE, Different people, with Different Racial physical appearances, Different Cultural and Thocratic background..... But they are PEOPLE.

I bet that I could have a real good time and understanding with even Eskimos ( people with lifestyles so alien to me), because I can see it in peoples eyes. They are the same as me, Flesh Blood and a Soul.

In don't understand how people allow hatred indoctrine and Religious Devision to kill their individualism and common ''Fellow-Human'' understanding. This Sub-human Racist Hate Indoctrine is the HEART of the Problem with Hizbollah on the Northern Borded.

You'll be scared senseless when you read their internet sites full of racist-religious Propaganda. The hatred is Bizarre. And Hizbollah feeds this hatred to Lebanese Children at the age of 5 in a Hizbollah school in HIZBOLLAH OWNED SOCIETY : That promises plenty of terrorists and hizbollah supporters to come for the future generations: Is THAT contributing to peace in the Region?





No.
And neither is firing Katchusha Mortars and Rockets with EXTRA Shrapnell at Harmless, Innocent Northern Israëli Civilians in towns and cities non-stop.

The street where my Grandmother lived, and my Aunt+Uncle+3Cousins still live is now very likely to be a bombarded rubble. What have these people ever done wrong against Hizbollah or the Lebanese?


Nothing. They just live there. It's because of Hizbollah Insane Hate-Ideaology that teaches ''those jews'' don't deserve to live there. They think it is a Rightious, devine act of Jihad to Bomb and Kill as many Israëli people they possibly can. This is not a Reasonable Organisation to sit around the Table with for peace talks.


Now ONLY when Hizbollah Stops carying out these Attacks from Southern Lebanon, killing our people randomly, THEN Israël would have a Credible and Trustworthy peace partner. Too bad Hizbollah have never been on Speaking terms. Only on Mortar terms. And thus the Israëli Army acts likewise to save it's people from the Threat in the North. PEOPLE, remember PEOPLE?

I really do hope that a long term Peacefull Situation will be Established
One way or the other: Hizbollah's Militant Capacity either gets damaged beyond repair and they're driven away from the Northern Israëli border, or Sheikh Nasrallah (Hizbollah's ''Boss'' and Founder) offers a credible long Term Peace Agreement While the Hypocrit World Community is WATCHING so it will be on black an white and they couldn't afford carrying out any more terrorist attacks from the Mountain to Appear Integre towards the World Community.


I see solutions might be made some day soon. people are about to get sick of the war and suffering on both sides and see that the hatred-ideaology has led them from bad to worse.

It goes both ways. I think anyone who is truely honest with themselves knows that neither side is innocent.

The problem is all the people helping them. If israel didn't get money from the US and lebanon didn't get money from iran, neither of them would be fighting. Neither of them would have a fraction of the stuff they have now and they probably couldn't even affored to do this crap. They both hate each other but we are throwing weapons into their hands and going "Yea go get them".

i voted no. the jews should have been shipped to the us or some other nation, instead of being given a nation belonging to another people, thus causing unnecessary wars.

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i voted no. the jews should have been shipped to the us or some other nation, instead of being given a nation belonging to another people, thus causing unnecessary wars.
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Too bad Racism, and Anti-Semetic Racism in Particulair, Runs very Strong through American Society.
The Jews aren't REALLY welcome in the US( because it is said we are forging World Domination Conspiracies via the US )
The Jews aren't Welcome in Europe: No NEED to explain WHY: Read About the ,strangely, often ''denied'' Holocaust.
South America is where all the Ex-Nazis fled so I don't think it'll be a suitable place for the Jewish people to live.


Perhaps the Northpole?


You know what? I am Jewish and so is my Family. and I'd like to say, to all of you who think we just need to pack our shit and MOVE (again?!).... GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
The Jewish People, exiled from their Homeland by the ROMANS, have always been Discriminated, Killed, hated and blamed for all that went wrong in Europe.

What Integre European Country could possibly think it is in ANY POSITION to tell the Jewish People, they caused So much Pain in the Holocaust Disaster, that they should leave Israël?


It is the only place that makes any sence for us to Live in. It is the Only Place we can defend ourselves from the Anti-Shem Masses. It is the Only Place we have a PLACE of our own with our own borders. NO LONGER SHALL THE JEWISH PEOPLE BE A MINORITY IN A HOSTILE NATION OTHER THAN SAFE ISRAËL.


These people have been shifted around, Exiled and SYSTEMATICALLY MURDERED ( As some DARE to denie ) for so Long they just don't give a F*CK whatever the Hypocrit World Community tells them.

I personally FIRMLY believe that the Jewish People have the RIGHT to live in the Land of Israë": Too bad the intolerant, Religiously Insane Ideaology of Hamas and Hizbollah and such are so Intolerant as to never have TOLERATED the Jewish Presence in the Middle East.
Same story for Christians. Hizbollah is Straightout an insane mad dog on the loose: They won't tolerate and will attempt to kill as many NON-muslims, Infadels, as they possibly can.


Do you think it is Reasonable to sit around the Table with An organisation that only ''Speaks'' by carying out Mortar and Misile attacks on Harmless Israëli Civilians?


Nahuh. Don't think so.

i said the jews should have been shipped to the us or another nation after ww2, instead of given israel. as of now, i think the jews should stay in israel.

and i can understand the hamas and other moslems are pissed at the jews. after all, the palestinians and moslems had to leave their homes to the jews. i know i would be angry and full of hate if someone from another nation came to my house and told me and my family to move out.

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Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

do you think the jewish state israel should exist? please vote in my poll yes or no and if you can leave a message sayhing why you voted that way.
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i voted no and heres why...
jewish people suck.



no, no, before you get all offended again, im just kidding. I voted yes because i think u cant just give israel to those crazy palestinians just because their suicide bombing u every ten minutes. its like a whiny kid who doesnt get his way. just slap him across the face and say "NO!"

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Originally Posted by SKA

Too bad Racism, and Anti-Semetic Racism in Particulair, Runs very Strong through American Society.
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No it doesn't. US is very mixed so I am not going to argue that there is none, because theres people in the US that believe just about everything, but its definitely not "very strong".

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Originally Posted by mountain

i voted no and heres why...
jewish people suck.
no, no, before you get all offended again, im just kidding. I voted yes because i think u cant just give israel to those crazy palestinians just because their suicide bombing u every ten minutes. its like a whiny kid who doesnt get his way. just slap him across the face and say "NO!"
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I think Jewish people and the lebanese/muslims/palestinians should just all kill each other over it.that way, whoever wins, wins. and we dont have to debate about it anymore
Jewish God vs. Allah battle royale!
I think we need a suprise challenger... can anyone say.... L RON HUBBARD!!!!!

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You know what? I am Jewish and so is my Family. and I'd like to say, to all of you who think we just need to pack our shit and MOVE (again?!).... GO FUCK YOURSELVES.[/b]

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Wow, no tears for the victims at Qana (in 1996 or 2006)? I guess you'd rather focus on the wrongs done to your people than the wrongs your people have done to the Lebanese and others. Many innocent people have been killed because Israel's brilliant, compassionate government and armed services don't care about where they drop bombs, and they actually have guidance systems. Are these Lebanese families part of Hezbollah? No. They're just poor people trying to make a damn living in one of the most hostile environments on Earth.

Let's not forget the four United Nations observers in Lebanon who were killed because the Israeli military kills indiscriminately. They were in an outpost that had been mentioned to the Israeli government. The Israeli military knew its exact location. They shelled it fourteen separate times over the course of a few hours, and an Irish observer radioed the Israelis multiple times to let them know they were striking a building with UN personnel in it. Then the Israelis dropped a 500-lb. bomb on it, and that was the end of four civilian lives. You can't tell me that's not a deliberate act of aggression. Kofi Annan even got branded anti-Semitic for stating that it was deliberate! That's not racism, it's the damn facts!

Now the Israelis are not going to allow the United Nations to repair bridges in Lebanon so that civilians can get aid. That's blatantly stupid and almost certainly a violation of international law. What is it that Israel has against innocent people?

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Originally Posted by Leo

Jeez, what the Jews should do is outright buy a chunk of property in Africa. Those nations are so poor and some of them are so large. They would gladly sell off a chunk considering how much money the Jews have to offer for it. Just think of how much Money the Jews spend bribing American Politicians each election year -- why, that much money could buy a piece of Africa, on the coast, double the size of present day Israel. But I suppose they don't want it if they have to come by it honestly. To them being the Chosen People of God means you should be able to rape, pillage and steal and fully expect to get away with it. Like the Germans thought it was okay to be the Master Race. You know, it only shows that the British and the Americans were really no different from the Nazis...in the end they all play the same Super Power Game.
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Nah Africa doesn't want them...remember they are the reason most West African nations are poor because of Jews raping the diamond and gold mines for centuries, people know that...then calling themselves Jew-wellers, welding together Africa's stolen riches, it's disgusting how everything is ignored...Like America's pampering of Israel and it's commitment to Israel being untouchable to even criticism(it's anti-semitism they say), so what is generalization on minorities then which is constant and watered down to something less than racism...do people think? If I remember correctly America says we're supposed to feel sorry for the Jews and they claim one of the reasons they give them billions of dollars a year is because of what Hitler did to them, I agree it was sick, but who did it? Hitler...Germany right! One of the richest countries in the world...

Remember what America did? A little thing call slavery?....for 400 years? Remember the native american slaughter? Millions... Where is the sympathy about that? Britain stole and gave the Jews Israel in almost the same fashion in which Liberia was stolen and given to some freed slaves by America...it's also getting raped by Jews for it's riches, and still where is the billions of dollars a year like what Israel recieves to buy weapons and build over 200 nuclear bombs(for what reson in the world I can't imagine, why and how a human could...but they're not nearly alone so much evil surrounds) from America...I guess since the government says it's legal and they're Jews you can sponsor state terrorism, theft and oppression...thats acceptable only to the sheep you created...Maybe America likes cleaning up after the mess of others instead of itself, particularly Hitler, or maybe even the Jews...they're chosen by god I guess

America and god is a touchy subject since the word isn't even allowed in schools or most public places, science is accepted as logic and fact, and even science itselff says life started in Africa in places like the Omo Valley so who would be the chosen people in a logical scientific sense, which America is supposedly based on...but even if they claim this blind loyalty is because of God's will how come they pick and choose the parts of God's will in wich to follow, the END TIMES or completion would seem more logical to follow if your going to since all will be reveiled in the end...Revelation 2:9 "I know your works, oppression, and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan....3:9 is similar...is the masses really that ignorant?

God favoured the Jews because they were slaves, they killed their own saviour according to bible history, and they created more slaves and went the ways of evil and greed up to this day, now his favour is somewhere else with real slaves...

But seriously how can anyone sympathize with the Jews after all they did and continue to do in the name of racism and opression against ALL people not of their own faith, especially muslims and Africans...not me, never, it's just a matter of time before the meaning of Newton's third law is fully realized

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Originally Posted by JDream;

.... we never lost our connection to the Land of Israel. ...

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But when immigrants form Poland take up arms and violently throw Palestinians out of their homes.

What is this CONNECTION to Israel but sentimental imagination. Like a Irishman in New York thinking about the silly Blarney Stones.

But you know what CONNECTIONS the Palestinians have to the land.

THEY STILL HAVE THE GODDAM DEEDS TO THE LAND YOU ZIONIST MOTHERFUCKER!