I have no idea what you mean by that. Hamas is trying to destroy Israel. Hamas was put in power in Palestine because a lot of people in Palestine want to destroy Israel. What are you talking about?Quote:
wtf? Hamas was elected democratically? they are trying to destroy themselves??? jesus christ...
[/quote] damn I made a mistake! I was going to leave out Chomsky's name at the end of the article...because I knew there'd be some shallow..narrow minded person who wouldn't even read it because who said it. As bin laden? well I wouldn't say chomsky has quite that much credibility...but shouldn't you read his argument and then disagree because of what he says not who he is? btw Chomsky has said america is the best country in the world...he just points out its not perfect and questions things from time to time without blindly following. I don't see how that is hating america as much as bin Laden? and then you said I might as well have quoted HItler? if I quote chomsky I might as well quote hitler? lol :roll:
Wow, I can see you are reaching for the personal insult card because your arguments suck. How unpredictable. I did read the Chomsky point and have no plans of assuming any of it is true on the weak basis that he said it. Are you too narrow minded to comprehend that? Chomsky is an extreme hater of my country, as are you and many of our own citizens. That is a recipe for little more than pitiful reasoning and vicious delusion.
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hmm anyways now im hopelessly off topic. ...and I was just trying to talk like a politician, make my point and Then if I feel like it stay on topic and be part of the actual debate...why in the world did I want to talk liek politician? I have no idea. [/quote]
My best wishes go out to you and your sanity.
[/quote] I don't even have a segway...hmm too bad...but what blue meanie and kramari are saying is the point of the whole debate. [/quote]
And they are incorrect. No matter what the demands of the Japanese were, they were in no position to have demands. Succumbing to any demands, even just for Truman's autograph, is dangerous. It rewards evil aggression, and it cannot happen. France and Poland might do it, but look at their record of being the world's bitches. We don't believe in it. We ended up allowing the Emporer to remain in power because we struck a reform deal with him.
[/quote] so Clearly the bomb was dropped for more than making the japanese surrender...and more than making them surrender on our terms.
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Uh, no. We struck a reform deal. The great Japan of today is the result of it. Before the reform deal, the notion of allowing the Emporer to remain in power did not come out ahead in a cost benefit analysis. And once again, caving in to ANY demands by attackers is pathetic policy. Somehow I get the impression that I might have to explain that again. (?) So that is why we did not cave but later made a deal and gave them what they had demanded before post-treaty negotiation. So it is fallacious to ASSUME that the U.S. policy was based on anything other than the legitimate war purposes I have described. It is leaping to a conclusion to hold that the bombs were dropped solely to intimidate the Soviet Union. That is a hypothesis that is interesting but not logically conclusive. The next time I get stoned and listen to Art Bell's radio show at 3 a.m., maybe I will call him and talk to him about that idea. But I will not assert it with conclusive certainty or even suggest a mere preponderance of the evidence.