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[EDIT] This was a split topic from another post. Moonbeam is not crazy!
Don't quit your day job. :wink:
The "food" in your painting is somewhat repulsive; more like excrement of some sort. Otherwise not too bad! And a good subject: altho of course I'm against factory-farmed hamburger and I think anyone who enjoys boxing is a primitive SOB I think anyone who enjoys boxing is a primitive SOB, I am strangely fond of George Foreman.
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
*resists the urge and walks out, quietly* :roll:
A bow an arrow is a rather primitive weapon, no? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
http://i5.tinypic.com/4dotzir.jpg
No...go ahead...I can take it.. :putemuppunk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Yes you are correct sir. My weapon of choice is a nine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Well, if you're going to throw the first punch, like you just did, you might as well put something behind it, worth defending against. :putemuppunk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
So....
How do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
I don't think that watching two people beat each other up is something that civilized people should do. It's just part of the progress of the human race. We don't watch gladiators fight to the death, do we? Why not? Would you enjoy that? A lot of people probably would, but I think people should try to rise above watching other people get hurt as entertainment. Especially when the "entertainers" may not have a lot of other options in their life and so altho they are not forced to do it, they may feel compelled. It is their right to trade their health for money if they want, like a prostitute--I just don't think people should encourage them to do it. It's not just a sport; there is a difference between competing to be the fastest or whatever and seeing who can hurt the other person the most. I am amazed that educated and/or intelligent people watch this stuff. When I see a couple guys fighting like animals and people cheering them on, it is so weird, I feel like a anthropologist in some primitive culture watching a sacrifice or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
P.S. You don't see many rich guys doing it getting brain damage, mostly poor guys with the rich people betting on them.
Ok. That's where I figured you were going with this. I just wanted to be sure, before I made any assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
First off, keep this in mind: Pain is relative.
Many atheletes put themselves through intense pain, to stake their claim. Doesn't matter if you're an olympic runner, a mixed martial artist, stuntman or body builder. If you get passed thinking about "getting hurt" as the objectively terrible thing that most of us feel it is, the truth is that some of us are able to take it a lot better than others.
That said, putting two professional boxers in the ring together is a lot different than, both, gladiators fighting to the death, and two animals going at it, in a pit. Looking passed the "OMG someone's getting hurt" factor (which the boxers are obviously much more comfortable with than many of the spectators) then boxing and professional martial arts are nothing but fast-paced, full-contact chess matches. There is a lot of skill and experience that goes into professional boxing matches. So much so that, once you've taken this into account, that's all you see, when two fighters are going at it, in the ring. The games are regulated so that the fighters are checked on as often as possible. If someone (that has been practically bred to take this level of what most of us would consider "punishment") feels that he is unable to continue, he can stop at any time. If an injury looks, from a third party, too bad to let the match continue, it is stopped. Professional boxing is not some backyard "extreme sport" where two guys that know jack shit about technique, conditioning, safety or respect just get let loose on each other for X amount of time. If you feel this way, then you're definitely misguided.
You don't honestly think that everyone who boxes (or gets into mixed martial arts tournaments) does it soley for the money, do you? (if they just wanted to get paid, they could just go into "professional wrestling" where the fights are scripted and no one really risks getting hurt.) You think that a man's (or woman's, actually) reasons for getting into something like professional boxing or martial arts means that they have "no other options" in life? Often times it is a hobby. It is an interest, an artform to many (hense the relation to the term "martial art"). The people that decide to start boxing often have just as many other options in life as the people who decide to work desk jobs. It's simply that they find something they love and stick with it, which turns them into 'nothing but fighters' - same as a person who decides to become 'nothing but a guitarist,' or 'nothing but a graphic artist.'
Boxing is not about "go in there and do whatever you can to beat the other guy's brains in." It's about two men trained at the same game, conditioned to take (usually temporary) physical damage as part of the territory, how to defend oneself, how to play the offensive, and how to compete (in what many of us have trouble seeing as tolerable punishment) with both dignity and respect.
Physically extreme? Sure. Primitive? Only if you're seeing things superficially. :P
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
You go girl!! Although a nine is a bit weak IMO. I prefer a 40 for a hand gun but preferably over both a shotgun.
I say we begin a new post here. :wink:
Oneironaut.
I think the over all view of boxing has went down hill unfortunately. There are not too many boxers who one would idle. They are all punch dumb., Tyson (speak for himself) - Holyfield - listen to the guy. :roll: Lewis, Lennox that is, arrogant.
Now the ultimate fighting gets a whole range of techniques but is too bloody for most females.
I think men generally view aggression very differently.
Moonbeam,
My wife felt uncomfortable having a gun ready for self defense. Understandably because she had not grown up around them.
If you familiarize yourself and are fluent with a firearm there is nothing to be scared off.
having children in the house requires a different outlook to me though.
OK the easy one first: I like my nine because it holds 15 rounds, as opposed to what, 10? in a 40. I concur that the 12 guage is the best in some situations. But under my pillow I have a .357--it will never jam, it will work perfectly even if I don't shoot it for years, I don't have to think to use it when I'm sleeping, and it won't shoot me accidentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howetzer
Yes definitely true; altho a swimming pool is more dangerous than a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howetzer
I hear what your saying about the sporting side of it. I've had this discussion before and it makes me uncomfortable because I don't want to compare this to animals fighting and say they should be stopped. I just don't think most people look at it the way of an artform, maybe I've been around the wrong people and I admit I don't know much about boxing or really any sports, but to me it's just an extension of the gladiators and the pain of others as entertainment. It seems to me that the boxers are taken advantage of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I know this is just a matter of opinion and I don't think boxing should be outlawed or anything. I don't think ALL people who watch boxing (just some of them) are brutes who woud just as soon see a dog or a knife fight. It is probably something so much a part of human nature that it will always happen and is better kept in a ring and controlled.
Well you could buy high cap magazines. 13 opposed 15 and pricey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
I assume you have a revolver? - easy, foolproof, safe.
I purchased night sites for my 40 HK. Tritium. It is awesome. The sites will glow indefintely. You can see it in the darkness to locate the firearm, then you can easily align the front and rear site to align your target.
Well yea the .357 is a revolver. I was always paranoid of automatics because I thought it would probably jam at the crucial moment. But then I got the Beretta and actually it works really well, but I still wouldn't want to give up the reliability of a revolver in some situations. I also have a .38 special S&W Airlite (revolver) that weighs 7 oz, holds 5 rounds, and can fit in my pocket (if I'm wearing loose pants). It shoots +P rounds and is not fun to shoot--it kills your hand (especially when it's cold out. It's kind of funny to watch people shoot it; they're like "Ow! Ow!" every time because its so tiny yet powerful.) I'd have to shoot an automatic like weekly to feel as comfortable with it as the revolvers; I wish I had the time. Probably a 40 caliber is better than a nine mm but I'm sort of attached to mine (it's a military Beretta Desert Storm edition); it's just for fun anyway (til the bad times or the zombies come! Then we break out the big guns.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howetzer
That's cool. I painted the front sight on my .357 with glow-in-the-dark paint. It helps a little. If I ever had to use that at night I would be counting on not having to aim, I think. My BF has laser sights on a little .22 automatic he's got just for fun but I don't have anything with a laser yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howetzer
George foreman ROCKS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Also, that reply was the reply to my eye-bleeding-beautiful piece of art, the already famous 'Portrait of the Messiah of grilling', George foreman. But really, I don't get the context of the initial post. :0
Yes he does. I heard something about him once that was so sad about his childhood, about him being really hungry, and how he wanted to help people eat, so he invented the Grill. I haven't used mine as much lately as I used to, but I wore out like three of them before I got more into slow-cooking with the crock pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I think Howetzer moved this because we got off the topic of your inspired artwork and into weapons and boxing, which I'm sure is what you really had in mind. It makes it look like I started a weird random thread.
I like boxing, not to hurt, but to get me in shape. I use my punching bag a lot, and box with friends sometimes. I probably would box competitavely though.
If it's a matter of defending myself, I will go to any length. If I were to get jumped on the street, I'm obviously not going to just box, I'll do any form of fighting to survive.
Self Defense? When it comes to fighting, I do both Karate and Jeet Kune Do, but I focus on the Jeet Kune Do. Weapons aren't my idea of self defense, though I will use them if needed.
I think in many cases, weapons tend to make people overconfident. I have fought on more occasions then one, against someone who was armed, while I was unarmed and the person was often of little challenge.
Anyway, when it comes down to it, I really enjoy just sparring with others. Jeet Kune Do has to be my favourite art.
Boxing has had its problems, to say the least. With the large amounts of money involved and matters of pride, I doubt it will ever be completely free from corruption. However, on the face of things, it's still a regulated professional sport with highly trained athletes.
Ideally, boxers must have discipline, physical courage, heart, exceptional conditioning, talent, good sportsmanship, and a deep desire to win. In my culture, these are all good and admirable qualities. It's great to see things come together. There's the excitement of seeing how the boxers with different reaches and fighting styles perform against each other, and how they adjust their strategies, etc. There's the excitement of seeing how the match progresses and come-backs that the fighters make. Obviously unequally matched fighters and unfair advantages make for a boring fight.
That's why I enjoy watching it...plus seeing those cut physiques in short pants :bigteeth: So, yes, there is something basic about it. Sports are an outlet for that, more so for men in US culture than for women, but many women (self included) enjoy watching men compete against otheres and test themselves. Why? For social status? For breeding privileges? Who knows lol
The difference in my mind between human and animal fighting is that profession human athletes, including boxers, aren't forced into competition. They have a choice whether to compete or not. Most of them understand that suffering is going to be involved in their activities...the pain of training, the pain of self-denial and discipline, the pain of performance and recovering from any injuries. My guess is that most athletes would say that it's worth the reward they get from competing and winning: pride, bragging rights, admiration, and, of course, a paycheck. The animals used in c0ck and dog fighting have no choice at all. The only ones benefiting from their pain and suffering are the humans who put them into that cruel situation.
Well I don't disagree with too much of this. Just as long as you realize that there is a civil, tactical and even respectable side to boxing. Sure, not everyone sees it this way, even many of those that love the sport, but please don't try to group all of us together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
And many fighters go into fighting for themselves - not as entertainers. It just happens that, as a byproduct, people are entertained by what they do, and they pay good money for it.
Such is the way of those who choose to fight for a living. The question is, is sacrificing being punch-dumb for the love of your sport, objectively, bad? If you're going to choose to do nothing but fight, it's obvious that you aren't going to end up as the sharpest crayon in the box, but who's to tell you you're wrong for doing so? Hell, many of the people who are the sharpest crayons in the box use their knowledge for nothing but helping themselves, so who is a less likely candidate for idolization? I see what you're saying, though, so I'm not necessarily arguing your point - I do understand that it's factors like this that make many people look down on fighters. I mean, who's going to idolize a fighter, other than someone that already carries a level of respect for what it takes to be a good fighter? It's definitely not for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
WEll...I guess so..if you say so. I feel somewhat convinced right at the moment, but I don't know if it will last. I never really looked at it like other martial arts, which I can't say I ever felt were just a display to satisfy a repulsive urge in people to see brutality. Mostly the permanant brain injuries are what bothered me I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
WEll remind me of this if I ever start going off on boxing again. I may have some brain cell loss myself causing memory problems.
Every one has the right to protect themselves from danger through self defense. How ever fighting through sport like boxing, well thats just plain stupid to me. All it shows is some one is more stronger then some one else, and while it shows this you have 2 guys practically killing each other.
I once saw an interview with one of the boxers after the fight and he couldn't put a sentence together, he was smacked that badly. Its not healthy either, think of the physical damage that is caused to the brain and other body parts.
Haha. Don't worry. I got yo back! :teeth:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Does no one else practice an (Martial)art? :huh2:
All I have is a little (2 1/2 - 3 years) Karate training, as a kid. As soon as I get the time (and extra money) to go further, I'd like to get some more martial arts under my belt. I'm thinking of starting with kickboxing, then moving on to Kung-Fu and perhaps Judo. The goal, of course, to be able to incorporate them all in a personal, comprehensive style, a la Jeet Kun Do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
Krav MagaQuote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
I use firearms ;)
I was attempting to teach Mitzie some basic self defense moves.
I am sorry...But sometimes it just does not work. There is TOO much of a weight difference.
Self defence methods are too complex for the average Joe, I reckon.
Who's gonna be ready to grab some thug's opposite wrist from the opposite-outside of the hand and rotate it before the guy can resist? In the end, going for the eyes with everything you have will a) disarm them, b) save you from any further attacking c) mean they are completely disabled without killing them d) preventing them from any future attempts at this kinda thing e) permanent punishment.
All ya gotta do is leap on them like a crazed facehugger from the film Alien, and you'll completely obliterate any threat.
Not that I don't think martial arts are great, but average people just dont think about or practice them to the extent that they'd actually work as effectively as in training!
That's why guns are better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Regardless of the size and hardness of the grip, a 38 special +P is weak. My 2 and 1/2 inch .454 would probably break your hand, or my friends 4 inch S&W 500. Also 40's can hold as many rounds as you can find a clip for. My friend keeps a 15 round clip in his 40 at all times, it extends a little, but big deal. Like Oneironaut said, lots of sports are full of pain and injury, but most athletes enojy what they do despite the risks. Its in their genetics to be able to withstand pain and injury. Fighters are not only be born with the ability to take damage, they have to train ridiculously hard. So fighters deserve recognition and admiration, which is exactly what they get as being professionals. I agree too many people may be hoping to see someone get permenately injured, but that doesn't mean there isn't tons of fans who just enjoy watching the talent and skills of the best fighters on the planet. I'm just saying you shouldn't make a generalization when they are many different view points amongst all the MMA or Boxing fans. Its like saying all racing fans are idiots because they are all just waiting for someone to crash.
I saw a guy on TV shoot one (the 500); that was pretty cool but it did look painful. The local gun shop's got one, so I looked at it. I don't think I'd need that unless I was in danger from grizzly bears; otherwise that's just over-kill, don't you think? What do you mean, the +P is weak? I think it is a fine belly-gun, anybody I shot with that I would be touching. Actually I guess they would be touching me. Any farther than that, forget about itQuote:
Originally Posted by imaginefication
Actually I was thinking of a .45. (In the April 07 issue of Guns & Ammo there is an intersting comparison of the 1911 .45 vs. the Beretta M9; with the Beretta being the winner in the author's opinion.)Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginefication
Yea, so? Isn't that true? ACtually, I pretty much think that no matter what they are watching it for. (Run away!!!!!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginefication
Ya, full power .454 or 500 rounds are deffinetly over kill, I keep my .454 loaded with strong colt 45 rounds when I carry it, but I do carry extra .454 rounds just incase I ever need to shoot through a row of cars or something, and its really fun to shoot the big rounds when target practicing, makes you very accurate at lower calibers. I agree 38sp +P is a good self defense round, it just feels like blanks to me because I am used to strong stuff, the first gun I ever shot was an 18" 12 gauge with a small hard plastic pistol grip, filled with 3" magnum slugs, so anything below 357 mag is like a kids toy. Okay, you are probably right about the racing fans, i should have used a better analogy. :content:
I'm still trying to figure out this thread... the creator didn't even mention self-defense AT ALL, he said half a sentence of opinion.
Boxing's a great sport, there's actually alot of...I wouldn't say science, but there's tons of strategy. Just 75% of the people who watch, know what it is. I think Thai Boxing is a little more technical. But that's because they don't limit themselves to just the hands, so they have alot more counters, defense, ect.. But I'm biased as I used to train in it :D
and Jeet Kune Do is NOT a style..it's a philosophy. Pisses me off when i hear someone call jeet kune do a style.
In fact most JKD schools are FULL OF IT. Bruce Lee's style was called Jeet Kune Do, It's not anyone else's. The whole concept of Jeet Kune Do, is that he could not teach you Jeet Kune Do.. It was a philosophy of taking away what you couldn't do and take in what you could. All JKD schools are nowadays are the same styles being regurgitated (Kickboxing, Wing Chun, Silat, generic knife denfense, and some grappling art) they were all brought into the JKD "system" from the upper tier friends of bruce lee. If Bruce Lee could only see what JKD has become today...he'd roll over in his grave. Twice.
For me Defending yourself comes from three things.
1. Awareness - Being aware of your surrondings. Shady looking People, escape routes, places to go for help.
2. Preperation - Physical preperation (working out, especially cardio), escape routes could go here too, something legal to give you the upperhand if nessessary (Knife, Mace, Gun) helps too :)
3. Mental attitude - This has to do with NOT being afraid to get hit...which of course most people are, protecting your vitals (chin, jawline, temple) will stop you from WTF-KTFO. It also has to do with being able to 'explode' on someone, pushing the pace into your fight (which can mean overwhelming them with strikes, while continuing to move forward). There's also a profiling that criminals use agianst "marks" based on how people carry themselves (people with their hands in their pockets & an not making eyecontact are considered to be signs of a easy mark. People who are confident, walk with a wide posture (legs wider than normal), arms swinging more carefree, and 'eyeballing' people as you walk.
Try walking down the street and simply looking at other pedestrians, you'd be amazed at how many people simply drop their head or turn to look away to avoid eye contact. These are considered easy 'marks' because it shows by non-verbal communication that they are not willing to dominate AND they've also looked away giving the criminal (you in this case) the surprise advantage.
Other then that it's common sense. Learn to walk the f*** away! One time when I lived in Knoxville. I was approached by some guy at a gas station when i was going for cigarettes. I came out of the brush to walk through the gas station's car wash (it was the quickest route from my house). This guy about average height (i'm 6'0'', slightly taller than average). Did exactly what I was talking about. He stood with a WIDE stance, waiting for me to approach him and stared at me the entire time...I wasn't liking where this was going so I completely avoided the car wash and walked about 300-500 ft. out of my way to walk around the brush to the other side of the store...when I got next to the door of the gas station I walked towards the pumps until I could see the guy agian.. He was basicly standing around looking shady, BUT from this perspective I saw 2 more guys waiting for nothing. So I got my smokes and walked home, later one of my friends came by and said that the cops were all around the gas station. So whatever...
Turns out some unlucky guy, got stabbed that day in the car wash by 3 suspects :shock:
He ended up surviving the ordeal despite being stabbed in the chest 3 times. That night on the local news guess who matched the description... :holyshit:
Moral of the story:
1) Think before you enter a situation that looks odd, even if you think you can take the guy.
2) ALWAYS follow your gut instinct. It's ussually right and if it isn't 400 ft. out of your way is better than being stabbed 3 times.
EDIT: LOL ok, i just re-read the first post..forgot to read the part about it being a split subject.. :bigteeth:
sorry about the above, guess the topic starter isn't crazy, that was honestly weirding me out :content:
Well said. I agree about JKD too.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg
Imagine 38's next to these monsters.
Kind of hard to hide that in your pants, isn't it! :shock: When I got the Airlite, I wanted something tiny yet powerful (enough) and reliable. It only weighs 7 oz (titanium), but it hold 5 rounds of .38 special. (I hadn't heard of the +P round until I got that gun, so I've never shot it in anything with any weight to it; probably wouldn't be as painful.) The hammer is shrouded so there is nothing for it to get caught on. So for the purpose I wanted it for I think it is ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginefication
It really is funny to watch people shoot it, it is unexpectedly (but not dangerously) painful. I thought the 500 was for a bear so I guess it does hurt but in that situation you probably wouldn't notice. Doesn't look like fun at the range tho.
(Edit: Decided repeating anecdote about .357 and a grizzly bear was inappropriate.)
(RE: racing--I thought I had asked for it! Guess there aren't as many racing fans as boxing.)
Yup they shoot em' full of holes and pump em' full of lead. The Badass gun toteing characters of the real sesame street. The whole Posse' is in full effect and ready to bust a cap on anyone who messes with Mr. Snuffulupagus.
http://media.funny.co.uk/files/4032.jpg
That ^^^^^^^looks more like offense than defense.
Do you think the concealed weapon permit is a good idea?
Are you asking me? Are you giving me advice? Or asking my opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howitzer
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
That was kind of vague.
It was a general question to all.
I am a gun advocate, enthusiast and collector, however my opinions very on the concealed weapon permit.
Much like the Ten day waiting period, I believe it is just another method for the Government to allocate funds from sportsman.
Most people that I know , even the ones who I have shot with and are safe I am not so sure they are ready to be put in any position with A - an offender and B> a gun.
I am not sure I am ready and guns are as familiar to me as DV.
You can teach someone safety but not common sense.
If you have a loaded weapon it ca put you in a very volatile and vicarious position very quickly.
There are obvious positions people have that you would easily recognize their need for a sidekick.
They aren't better since they aren't defensive weapons!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
A possible deterrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
And read a few articles from "armed citizen" and see how defensive they can be. :wink:
http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/229L.jpg
This is the .454 I own, its the smallest one I know of. Its only 41oz. Very easy to carry and conceal.
I also carry a .357, either on my ankle or in an x harness. Here is a picture of it.
http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/288L.jpg
Its 25 1/2 oz. , still hardly noticable to carry, but heavy enough to prevent flipping, so you can rapid fire accurately.
I have a conealed permit so I can hide my backup guns, but I usually open carry one too, which doesn't require a permit in Indiana. There is also no waiting period here. I think it should go back to the old days where every man open carries, it is the main reason crime rate was so low, even though there were hardly any cops and no forensic or surveillance technology. It is why the old west bank robbers are so famous, because they were so rare, not many people had the nuts to rob a bank when it was guarenteed to be a massive gun battle, now a days anyone can try to rob a bank, because at the most there is a few security guards. Same goes with house robbery and many other crimes, criminals aren't scared to do it anymore because they know most people aren't ready to shoot them. I don't rely completely on guns, I still work out and have studied some martial arts, but if I have the option I will always choose a gun first to defend myself, most criminals will back down at the sight of one. In some situations you can just shoot a round into the ground its going to send most predators running. I would only shoot someone if I really had to. EDIT- ofcourse unless someone breaks into my house, then they are getting a couple 3" triple ought buckshots in their ass with no questions asked. :content:
What do you mean? How are they less defensive than any other weapon or even just hitting somebody? It's defensive if you are using it to defend yourself, right? I guess only armor would be really considered defensive, is that what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Howitzer--is it not true that crime has gone down in every state that concealed carry has been legalized? I don't think there are many states left that haven't done it. I think it is true (that crime has gone down), but other people say that is not the reason, so I'm not sure if it gets the credit or not. Either way, it hasn't caused any harm, and I'm for it. It ought to go across state lines tho.
imaginefication - nice! That .454 looks like it would be comforting to have in the sleeping bag when you're camping. I didn't know it came in a two-inch barrel; the 500 I saw had a 6 or 8 inch; it was huge--I was laughing thinking about somebody carrying that around! Yours looks much more managable. A least to carry, if not to shoot. Another revolver person--I have always felt better with a revolver; the 9mm is cool and fun on the range, but IRL I always worry about jamming. Also shooting myself. I guess if I can't save myself in 6 rounds (or 5 as the case may be), it's not going to happen.
http://smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmW...3503_large.jpg
2" 500
http://smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmW...3504_large.jpg
4" 500
The 2" is only available with a survival kit, thats why the silly grip, but you can get a custom one.
But unless you are shootin 500 special or you are extremely strong, it is pretty ridiculous.
I do wear workout gloves when I shoot 454 rounds at the range to make it a little more comfortable, but the grip is great, there isn't much bite. It is deffinetly a lot of fun to shoot, though at the range its so loud it can cause a comotion. When I look out the range windows I can see people in the store with their hands over their ears. At this range there are few people who shoot anything over 44mag for whatever reason. It is expensive to shoot the 454 a lot, so I also shoot lots of 357.
A gun isn't a defensive weapon because it is built to kill/seriously maim. It is also built for range so is thus also aggressive as you're making the decision to attack before anyone else has a chance to attack. Because of both of these factors, it makes the gun weilder aggressive, rather than defensive, unless you're in a war situation with other gun-wielding attackers! With a melee weapon or martial art or whatever, it can be used defensively to block, parry, etc. and can only be used at close range where the attacker is an obvious threat. I'm not against guns or anything, but I dont think it can really be called self-defence!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
p.s. since its getting gun-nutty in here, I might as well join in...
S&W 686 8" FOR ME ;D
http://www.vdwschietsport.nl/cms/ima...volver_008.jpg
This is my favorite long barreled gun, the ruger 7 1/2" .454 super redhawk
http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/55L.jpg
My favourite, The Brick - 215 x 102.5 x 65 mm (8.5 x 4 x 2.5 inches).
http://www.innfusion.com/blogimages/Brick.jpg
But for real, I have one of those hun bows - Looks like this one.
And a longbow.
:)
It's self-defense if that is the only way you use it. Just because you can use it at a distance, doesn't mean you will. Besides what if there was a threat to someone at a distance? In which case it would come in handy. Not everyone carries around a "melee weapon" or knows martial-arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Ha haha bonsay lol :wink:
That is one sweet gun. I like Rugers anyway. But I am particularly fond of the not fluted cylinder. The grips make a good Addition too.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginefication
I shot a .50 cal Desert Eagle at the range. It was hilarious. I shot three rounds and looked. everyone in the place, about 7 people all stopped shooting and were looking over at me.
The things just not right man. :bowdown: