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I still hold that somebody has to "police" the world, but that is irrelevent. So, what should we do? Just let all the psycho nations like Somalia and Iran run free? There seems to be a whole lot of negative criticism of how we handle things, but no constructive criticism.
So WHY is what America does wrong? How should we handle these threats? Mainly, tell me what we can do better, not what we are doing wrong.
I have to agree with you that it makes sense to put potentially dangerous nations down. I'm glad the U.S. has eliminated Saddam, as he would be a potential threat to Europe if he had managed to get hold of nuclear weapons. I'm also glad the U.S. will take care of Iran if needed.
I can't say I care much for the peoples' freedom down there nor the deaths of the Americans, Europeans and natives from the invaded nation, though; what matters to me is that no missiles hit anywhere close to me. Besides, the wars add something to follow through media, and are put into video games, movies and cool stuff like that.
Don't take this the wrong way or anything King. But that's possibly the most dickish thing i've ever heard in my life. But I suppose that's what you were going for.
Who the hell would bomb a neutral country?
But to answer the original question... That's a complicated answer right there.
Why is what america is doing wrong? Because it forces a viewpoint/lifestyle on to the nation in question. Wether for better or for worse is a subjective opinion. Now you could argue that the death squads in Bosnia was immoral and needed to be stopped, I'd have to agree with you on that one... but for one reason or another people don't like the US to get involved.
My Nihlistic approach to wars in between other countries is to let the dumbasses bomb each other..they've been doing it in the middle east for SO long before US involvment..it's a shame the US had to stop it.
How should we handle these threats? They're not really a world threat until they have nuclear capabilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...nuclear_weapons
Now about Iran...I could careless if they have nuclear weapons or not, in fact I hope they get some. Isreal has far too many, compared to pakistan. Give some to Taiwan too, just to get china to back off from them.
But what the hell do I know... My opinion holds no water in these types of conversations, I'm not on the side of the fence that controls the outcome of worldly matters...Ask the World Bank. :content:
Fanatical Muslims?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geves
BTW you brought up a good topic. Taiwan. I think China's lust for Taiwan will draw us into WW3. If China invades, will we respond?
Lets imagine the globe as a country for a moment
The parilament, the senate, the governing body
surely that is not America
Surely that is the United Nations
surely the Untied Nations provides us with an almost "global democracy", I see the US policing the world as a "Global Dictatorship" under a blanket of democracy.
What we need to do, is pledge far more troops to the United Nations, change the way that deiscisons ar emade, remove the veto powers from the Security Council, add a couple of African, South American coutnries. Lets turn this globe into a democracy for real. A world police is needed, the United Nations, but currently their greatest threat is the United States, ignoring there resolutions, rampaging around the globe, playing God.
We need a stronger, fairer, Untied Nations, and we MUST alow the ICC more powers. The internationl criminal court, is basically powerless, due to the United States.
The ICC must become un-contestable
Imran
Are you suggesting that the US needs more troops placed around the world? Because the US has far more troop placement than any other nation. (Bosnia and general eastern europe, Korean border, Middle East spring to mind) If anything the US needs less troop placement. There's a presence of US troops in ALOT of countries.
Last I checked the UN was good for nothing but talking and trade sanctions. Why give do-nothings more power?
I understand that the US has an unbalanced amount of power in the UN. But that's what happens when you're the only country willing to provide a decent amount of troops to nations in need.
And I'm sure african/south american countries are invited to join the UN.
I do suggest you read up regarding the structure of the United Nations
Most south american and african countries are members
i was reffering to the security council, the only section of the United Nations that does anything
the General Assebly has no pwoers at all, just non-binding suggestions
I am not saying the US should place more troops, i am claiming that we should add to the countries i tnhe secutiy council, and select them via a fairer process, i never said nefing about the US placing mroe troops, troops should not be employed abroad under a single coutnries banner, they must be placed through the United Nations, a fair and blanced United Nations, a truly democractic Untied Nations
and western eladers who go against the United Nations should be asnwerable to the ICC
Which I see you chose to ignore
Imran
Huh? Who is the dictator? Will he still be in office after his term runs out? Wait, dictators don't have terms. So what countries are under the complete rule this dictator who single handedly rules each country entirely?Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
If America was a good world police, they would have invaded darfur. If preventing genocide is not on a police-officers priority list, or at least not higher then fighting a (also bad) 'terrorist-regime', please explain why.
EDITED: Because my reading comprehension is not up to snuff :yumdumdoodledum:
I thought he said Derfuhrer my first quick read through ><
Sorry about that, Neruo...
thank god no one quoted me on that one :doh:
Because Holland would protest against it. Don't mess with Holland!Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Really, every U.S. decision to go to war is based on a list of reasons. Darfur has a humanitarian problem like Iraq did under the Hussein regime, but Iraq was about many, many things, such as what we saw as a major threat of WMD terrorism resulting directly or indirectly from a severe enemy that had previously engaged in mindless WMD terrorism. The Iraq list was a whole lot longer than the Darfur list. I still think we should go in there and change the government. I think a union of nations should be formed and liberate every country that is not free. If all of the free nations of the world were interested in a free world, we could have one really soon. Think about that.
So, Neruo, do you think the United States should invade Darfur?
Actually, I don't know. Do you really think a new government would better things? However, If America was going to invade ANY country, I would rather have it to be Darfur. Some sick shit is going on there, way worse then what Saddam was doing at the time you invaded him. It just again proves that America isn't about liberation, it is about self-preservation. Your main reason to invade Iraq was because you were scared by people like Cheney that said "We are absolutely sure that Saddam has WMDs".
And universal: do you really think invading countries with force works? Where has it worked? Unless there already is Major resistance against the 'bad' regime, then it might work. And even then, in most cases, the resistance becomes the tyrants. Seriously, for instance, lets say you invade darfur, and stop the genocide. Are you going to kill every person that wants to kill some other person because of ethnics/religion? You can't just change People with invading a country with force. Changing people takes dozens of years, and brute force and (more) oppression really isn't the most efficient way.
Maybe we could just send them flowers and put on a love concert. But then again, brute force did change things in Europe in the 40's, and the 90's. My government needs a good list of reasons for something like that though. War is serious stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
OOPS! THEY LOST THE GOOD LIST OF REASONS TO INVADE IRAQ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Also, Germany declared war to YOU if I am not mistaken, the second world war was WAY different from Iraq or Vietnam. Also, mid 90s? You mean Bosnia or Croatia or what was it? Is that a cheerful place now?
Also, taking away the reason there is hate or other bad things is a bit more easy then giving them more reasons to hate, like by trowing napalm on their Children. Unless you agree with Israel's brute-force and oppression way of 'keeping peace' in land that isn't even theirs.
The Isrealis have conquered it, so it is theirs now.
I hope so increadably much that you are joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by King
The only reason isreal has even a slight bit of control in that region is because the US has pampered them with trillions of dollars, jets, bombs, intelligence, the list goes on and on.
and how were they thanked?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
thanks isreal :mad:
I'm not racist towards them..I just greatly HATE the way they conduct opperations. They basicly answer to no one and get all the perks of being in a alliance, with nothing given in return.
I'm not joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I'm not quite sure what all of that was about, but I still say that brute force has never freed anybody. Bosnia and Croatia are not free, and their recent freedom could not lead to a much better future. I do agree that we should be so concerned with taking away other nations' reasons to hate us. It's all about what THEY want. We should let oppressive dictators do as they damn well please. Please keep taking up for the people who actually do target children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Target children in what way? Attack targets or potential cannon-fodder targets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
They use children for both. The PLO, Al Qaeda, North Vietnam, and lots of other terrible organizations/nations have used children as suicide bombers. There are actually camps in the Middle East where children are raised from birth to be suicide bombers. Pretty evil, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
There are actually more children killed by American 'collateral damage' over the years then suicide-bomb-children blew themselves up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Pretty evil, huh? Oh no! An emotionally-not-rationally-based argument!
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Seriously, what a lame argument. Boo-Hoo they let children blow themselves up. Really bad indeed, but what to do? So lets bombs their parents, that will make them stop, right? Also, dozens of dictators still reign, and have reigned for years. I still don't see why America doesn't like to help Africa. Maybe because the American government have no oil to gain or political interest in those dictators?
Oh, in the process of freeing nations and protecting other ones from conquesting dictators and such, there is collateral damage. Well then, it's okay if the villains you take up for deliberately send little children out to die. Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
That is such an excellent argument. Do you care if I market a poster with that statement on it and sell it in Iran and Syria? I think they would love your comment. Maybe Al Qaeda could buy the trademark from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I am sorry, www.thecountriesamericafreed.com doesn't exist :"(Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Al Quada doesn't need to do it, the Fox-bullshit you watch daily advertises everyone from the middle-east as a sick baby killer already! : ) Good thing we have America, to kill thousands of civilians and start civil wars and torture innocent people and ignore their own constitution... wait a minute, isn't America supposed to be the good guy? No wait, America sucks just as hard as Saddam or Castro or whoever you want to kill.Quote:
That is such an excellent argument. Do you care if I market a poster with that statement on it and sell it in Iran and Syria? I think they would love your comment. Maybe Al Qaeda could buy the trademark from me.[/b]
Now thats not fair, neuro. At least half the country wants out of Iraq, and the average citizen doesnt torture anybody. Public opinion is all that matters, and we will ridicule anybody who supresses rights. Look what we did to Bush jr.
Fox news isnt that bad, or at least no more bias than any other network.
Matt Stone and Trey Parker portrayed us pretty well on South Park.
http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=701
explains America better than i can, plus its funny.
You gave him another 4 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard
When it comes down to it, I estimate I would personally hate 75% of the American population in some way or another :)
LOLOLOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.Quote:
Fox news isnt that bad, or at least no more bias than any other network.[/b]
No.
Why is America so low on the 'list of most press-free countries' or something again?
Yea south park is great. Not that that episode made any actual sense (like all episodes), beside pointing out some funny contradiction in America (south park is like, a bit of self-reflection). But on the part that America is in a war its population *cough*failingdemocracy*cough* doesn't want to be in, isn't a thing to be proud of. The founding fathers would be ashamed of this current government.Quote:
Matt Stone and Trey Parker portrayed us pretty well on South Park.
http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=701
explains America better than i can, plus its funny.[/b]
Yea, we did give him another 4 years. It was a time of crisis, and a little more than half of us were still hopefull. Keep in mind, we didnt have the info we have today.
75%? Hate is a strong word. I think you just have a bad taste in your mouth about us. And you shouldnt \"hate\" us, because we really are just normal people who get too excited. I also say 75% of us care as much about human rights as you do.
Have you ever watched Fox News? They cut to the important facts faster than any other network. They dont gain their audience by mocking an administration, and for that i give them respect.
Yea, we may be in a war that the average American doesnt agree with, but the average American isnt qualified to make that decision
Yay! Democracy in action!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard
Anyway, what the hell, I thought you were leaving, Hard as Nails? :(
Two party state with nothing really o nth eelft side of the spectrum and a foregin policy that the people generally resent
I wouldnt call that a democracy
modern day America is not a democracy.
The people dont want the war in Iraq, yet its happening, the people want the war to be ended, yet hes pummelling mroe troops in
How can you see aht the people want except for by twhat there represnetatives say.
While they said it loud and clear very recntly, they agree for the drawing up of a timetable that states the US withdrawal from Iraq by, was it 2008? I'm not sure
will that happen, I severely doubt it
In america you can either vote bad, or worse. Theres no choice, might as well be a dictatorship.
Imran
Please everybody tell me why you think America is the bad guy and why America's people are bad and I will point out to you how wrong and ignorant you are.
EDIT: A list shall do nicely.
You may not agree with U.S. policy and thats fine, but take a look back into history. How many European powers raped and exploited African, Asian, North and South American nations? I can name a few: Britain, France, Belgium, Spain, and THE NETHERLANDS! Don't tell me the United States is the "bad guy" when your nations did much worse in as little as half a century ago. Why do you think Africa is the mess that it is today? Europe caused many of the racial, economic, and political problems that continue to plague the continent. Europe has also done very little to clean up its botched imperialist experiment. If you want to talk about atrocities, pick up a European History textbook. Or maybe take a look at the picture in your signature, the one with the pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I can't be too harsh though. Both Europe and the United States have undoubtedly contributed a great deal of good things to the world. The one fact that you must remember is that people are fundamentally the same. When any group of people attains a position of power, that group exerts is dominance and will upon those who are weaker. This has occured since the beginning of recorded history. Through the centuries every major power has naturally put its own interests before those of others. On every inhabited continent, power struggles have taken place. This is not an issue of being American or European or Middle-Eastern. We are all the same. When we get power we often abuse it. That is why it is ignorant, Neuro, to say that you hate 75% of all Americans. Your statement would be the same as me saying that I hate 75% of Europeans because of imperialism or lack of support for the United States.
Unfortunately, some Europeans have not yet learned that stereotypes are not very accurate. We Americans are good people and the rest of the world only pays attention to the bad things we have done instead of the overwhelming amount of good things we have done, higher in quantity and quality than what they are doing. America isn't bad or evil, it is just a big target and thus, a big scapegoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
Now try talking without pulling things out of your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
It seems to me that you just hate people. There's some truth to that, isn't there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
If the US said...
"Fuck the rest of the world. Deal with your own affairs, we are becoming a self-sufficient industrial nation that does not want anything to do with anyone except for a few select countries, and for the sole purpose of world economic trade only. Do not ask for help, we are no longer offering any of our foreign services."
IMO The UN is the biggest BS that ever came out. The US should just drop it and start a real pact with just a few countries. Those countries, are the countries that would actually receive any benefits.
How long would the world last on its own?
Don't blame America - blame civilization as a whole for the problems that occur. Blame the people who started these problems. Blame America for not being able to solve these problems. Even more, blame the countries that sit around do absolutely nothing.
World geography textbooks would have to be replaced every school year. A lot of Europe would become an Islamic dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
Yeah, America was a GREAT save haven for all the African people that got oppressed by the French, Spanish and Dutch. They kept giving black people their own special toilets for even up to half a century ago! Now that is kind!
"They" (certain redneck dumb ass idiots with three teeth who were important enough to represent the entire United States) did that, I guess. And slavery existed here as very recently as 106 years before I was even born. Never mind, then. Europe would be totally safe without our support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Europe is not that dependant on the US. The European armies would easily repell the Moslems if they attacked. I can only see Russia being a threat to Western Europe, but Russia is not Islamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
I guarantee that the US would be asked to "get involved" if this happened though.Quote:
Originally Posted by King
Yes, Europe would definately want US help, altough the Moslems are not that much of a threat to Europe.
Yes, that's probably true. But if they did - would a European citizen feel comfortable with Saddam still in power (this was when we believed he had weapons of mass destruction), or a country like North Korea not being monitored? The US might not have been in striking distance, but Europe certainly is.Quote:
Originally Posted by King
What if the US never did anything, and these countries actually built up an arsenal of nuclear weapons. I wouldn't be worried about an infantry attack, I would be worried about what's flying through the air.
And it's not even only about Europe, because Europe is not a target.
If these countries started launching nukes at each other, there would be some problems. Oil supplies would run out faster because how would we extract oil from a wasteland, and the effects on the global environment would be terrible.
And how long would Europe survive if a nuclear war started and they remained neutral? I doubt the new global environment would be very friendly ;)
That's a good point. Europeans are pussies when it comes to war nowadays, so they would probably not fight it in an offensive manner even despite the superior European technology, giving the Iraqis and Iranis time to get nuclear weapons.
Yes. --?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Actually, I'm mostly just screwing with specifically you about Europe. I have a great deal of respect for the British military and other European ablilites. I would still like to know why you think Europe would be "totally" safe without U.S. support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I would just like to mention that European countries and Russia are resisting U.S. attempts to put missile defense in their territory because Europe says it would make them a bigger target and Russia says it would start a new arms race. They fear that they will not be neutral anymore if missile defense is placed in Europe then they would be a target for infantry attacks or something like that. Somewhere in Europe there are protests to these bases saying "Bush terrorist no. 1!" which makes absolutely no sense.
I was not saying that the United States is/was a shining beacon of righteousness, I was simply pointing out the fact that Europe has comitted just as many, if not more, reprehensible actions than the United States. I gaurantee you that if Europe continued to be in a position of global military dominance, there would still be colonies in the areas I mentioned before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I doubt it, it's hard keeping countries under control, by the 60s or 70s all the colonies would have bought arms somewhere are revolted. Anyhow, that is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
Actually, historic America was perhaps a better country then it is now. At least it was somewhat more democratic.
No, Neruo I really wouldn't say that. If America isn't a better country now, then it is definently no worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Well w/e your point is debatable but I won't delve further into hypothetical situations...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
In what ways is America less democratic than it was 100 or 200 years ago? Do you even know what you are talking about? I doubt you have more than a vague knowledge of the culture and people of the United States, let alone knowledge of American politics.
Hopefully the foreigner doesn't defend those words. Hopefully he doesn't believe he knows more about this country than its offspring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
ha ha, right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by CymekSniper
I have been arguing with Neruo about the United States for a few months now. It has become very clear to me that he has very little understanding of what the U.S. is really like. I think he watched a few movies and leaped to some conclusions. He thinks we are all fundamentalist Christians who despise all Arabs and live under what amounts to a dictatorship. I don't know if he even realizes that we elect our public officials. I want to see those movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
Are you joking? Your commandments are being ignored by your presidents, scandals every day, and your president keeps fighting a war the majority does not want. What is more undemocratic then a leader doing something the majority of the population doesn't want?Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
Also, Christianity has make your government Biased, America was funded as a secular state, yet with freedoms for all religions.
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Besides that, kind of a weak argument 'oh please stop, you don't know anything'. I know enough to see that America is not the most democratic country in the world as however they think. It isn't the smartest country, it isn't the most free. America is in a constant state of delusion. Delusion leads to bad things, such as a war that in a few years killed more innocents then terrorists could hope for in decades.
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Just LOL. lol@ the always extremely polar 'elections' of smut and money in America. It isn't about whether you are a good politician, it is about looking good and telling your opponent smokes crack with prostitutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borshkevski
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My point really is, that -like with religion that I dislike-, the main problem isn't that bad things happen in/thanks to America (besides the good things), but a total blindness and denial to those bad things. America is going downhill. How long IS it going to take for you to realize your school system sucks. How long before you DO see that a government like the current one should never be allowed to take power again.
Most of what you do is say: "Well? Yeah, but The Netherlands SUCK!". Okay. The Netherlands have quite some down sides. I would like to see those problems get restored, hence my political interest. I think it is increadably stupid to start blabbering about how great your country is, it really takes away any motivation to better it. I rather be in a smart country then in a country that Claims to be the best in the world. Even IF the Netherlands would be worse off. What really, they are not ^__^
I highlight the good of my country when talking to America bashers. Our public educations system is pathetic, and I have explained why a bunch of times in this forum. Fortunately, we have excellent private schools in every town. If you want to see me say some negative things about my government, start a thread about the war on drugs. Start a thread on Democrats in Congress. Start a thread on gay marriage. Talk about the 50% tax on the rich. I have a lot of disagreements with my government. But those are not the things I am going to talk about when foreigners whose asses we have saved in the past have an endless flow of horrible things to say about us. Also, I never said the Netherlands suck. I am planning a trip to Amsterdam this summer. I just said the Dutch don't need to talk about how we suck because we kick their asses in too many areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
You do admit that we could take you over in a matter of days, right? :-P
Oh yes certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Do explain how that matters in any way. Please do. Seriously. Explain me what is so good, virtuous and special about having a big army? I rather see countries that don't Have / don't Need an army.
Is that your only argument why I shouldn't bash America? Because my country doesn't want/need/has a big military? I care... perhaps not about such things?
haa hah ha, too much stuff to reply to. well first off what are commandments? Are you referring to the constitution?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I was not telling you to stop arguing because "you don't no anything" I trying to suggest that maybe you inform yourself before trying to seriously debate. I agree with Universal, we do have mediocre public schools but our private education is top notch. Our college system (public and private) is one of the best in the world. To say that Americans as a people are unintelligent because you watch too much MTV is ignorant.
Second point: Our current government did not take power. It was ELECTED. In another year a new one will be ELECTED. If the majority of people in the United States really had a problem with the current government it would be IMPEACHED. You may not know this, but several years ago the Governer of California, Gray Davis, was recalled by the PEOPLE and replaced because he was doing a terrible job. Is that not DEMOCRATIC?
I never said the Netherlands sucked. I like the Netherlands, I have been there several times. I have enjoyed my time in almost every European country that I have been to.
Once again, America is not a "stupid" country as you seem to believe. We have developed some of the world's most advanced technology and are still major players in that field. I do not know if you have ever read any American literature but SURPRISE SURPRISE it does exist. This country has made major contributuions to science, the arts, and the world.
And for my last point, I am not blinded to the bad things that come out of America. I know very well that this country is not perfect. That is why Americans are continually working to better this nation. No nation is perfect and I doubt there will ever be one. But out of all the countries in the world America is the most just and is the most free. All of the problems with America that you have mentioned are problems that we have fixed or are working on fixing. I will give you two examples:
Religion - true, we began as a Christian state but now there is NO religious discrimination by the government and the vast majority of the public. One can find almost every world religion represented in any major American city.
Racism- The problem has not yet been completely sovled but we have come a long way from the days of slavery. We have nearly wiped out racism and although that is something that is difficult to destroy, it is becoming less and less rather than increasing.
As Reagan put it: "Peace through Strength"Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Mainly, I think it's hilarious to watch you act like that because I know your knowledge of our power is what has you so obsessively insulting us. Plus, you are free to act like a nutty hate monger on the internet because our power keeps others from taking you over. You're lucky Iran, for example, doesn't have our level of power. Imagine what that would be like. And remember... We could take you over in a matter of days. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
In defense of the public school system, I would like to say that there are still very many good public schools and throughout the entire public school system, hard working intelligent people are still produced. There is room for improvement but remember our public schools are better than they were fifty years ago and it didn't screw their generation up. Well.... at least not completely
Please state where you received such information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Earth is not lala-land where everyone is happy dancing in a circle holding flowers, so it is obviously necessary for the West to have armies to protect themselves against the Russians, Moslems and maybe even the Chinese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
It's not lala-land because the people in power dont care whether it is or not. When these people stop being greedy and inhuman, 'lala-land' is do-ableQuote:
Originally Posted by King
But as long as people will have power, people will be greedy and inhuman. That's how we roll on this Earth, baby!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
But do you think it is do-able to prevent everyone from being "greedy and inhuman"? It is possible, of course, but not likely to happen anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Yes, but if people keep saying 'thats what humans do!' and just accept that as a reason why we should never try to be equal, etc. etc., it won't happen. It obviously can happen, since most men resist the primal urge to copulate with every woman they see, then and there; or fight/run to the bitter end when faced with danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by TweaK
That's a crap ad hominem argument. It's like saying, "I was born in a motorcycle garage, therefore I know more about motorcycles than you."Quote:
Originally Posted by CymekSniper
Chin HU Wa Takataka wishino kudu.Quote:
Originally Posted by King
Translation: Earth is not a lala-land, it is necessary for China to have armies to protect themselves against the Muslims, Americans and maybe even the European.
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Are you suck in the cold war? You don't honestly think the west is the only force in a world full of horrible, evil countries, like 'China' and 'russia'. Yes, every single Chinese person wants to drink our blood. The west is as war-mongering as any country that has power. Hell, probably the west is even MORE war-mongering then China and Russia combined, and on average probably more then the average Muslim.
Earth isn't a lala-land because A) people in power that will always be assholes B) people like you to be happy to believe that your country is the only one with virtues, and the others are all evil and you should defend yourself from then.
China and Russia and Arabic countries have lots of people that think exactly the same.
The West is the side that would benefit myself the most at this point, so I want the West to have the advantage and keep the other of Earth's powers at bay. I don't care what side that is the most war-mongering, and I think wars are good anyway (as long as I'm not affected negatively by it of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
You have a very egocentric way of thinking. I don't mean that insulting. I understand where you are coming from. I used to think 'what is wrong with war, along as it doesn't effect me?' as well. However, if everyone thought like that, the world would be horrible. Be being kind to others, you are in a way helping yourself. The more people there are that are kind to others, the bigger chance is that you one day will be needing of help, and will recieve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by King
If everyone thought as you, you wouldn't even be saved if you were drowning, no one would help you if your house burned down, everyone would be corrupt.
That's correct.
forcing democratic government on foreign people will not work. the people have to fight for their freedom themselves, thats how democracy was born son. the people here in the US don't think for themselves or question the government nearly enough. the majority of the things screwed up in america, and that's a lot of things, are unconstitutional, media/corporate controlled, or people just have no idea about.
Free Tibet, not Iraq.
That is a new idea. Oh wait, no it isn't :) It has happened many times thought history, and in most cases, after a while, the new leaders would become corrupt in a certain way. French revolution and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by ;
Yes, however, most people in other countries think the exact same thing (about 'I don't give a shit about them'). Also, the (partially) corrupted assholes in power are also... people. Unless we drastically change our ways of thinking, people in power will aways corrupt, or at least some will, and those will kick the uncorrupted out to an extend.Quote:
sure they control the economy, society, politics, armies, police etc etc. but I'm pretty sure if people Wanted to...they would win. It might take a long time, but i think gaining la-la land for humanity is all or nothing.
...thats enough fucking nonsense sure it could happen but its never ever gonna happen, ever. : ( In reality I think a lot of people, probably more than would admit it, think just like King and God does (or at least pretends to on here, idont realy know him)for example the majority of americans think like King and God, they didn't care that Iraqi people were killed, as long as it was to keep america, and themselves safe.[/b]
yah I know, thats why I said it wouldn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
and why an anarchist will tell you that we can either have Corruption or Anarchy. neruo what if we changed our way of thinking so that everyone agreed not to let anyone be in power?
anyways here's what america should Really do:
God is a very dangerous thing. Remember the genocide he commited with his Flood? Remember what happened to Egypt with his chemical warfare of plagues and systematic murder of first borns? Omnipotence and God is the ultimate WMD. Saddam pales in comparison to the tryannt that is the christian god. Yet american's seem to support this God? God even has one of his cronies (born again christian GWB) controlling america.
I propose a pre-emptive strike on heaven, and to try God for everything that has ever happened. Of course he'll be guily and then We can hang him.
He is infinitely powerful, and he is everywhere. I think you can take him. :goodjob2: (But you need to ask the U.N. for permission first.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ;400597
As long as their are humans on Earth, there will be no chance of la-la land.
Humans are inherently evil, which in itself is natural, as nature is also inherently evil.
Anyways, I'm sure he would rather us let Islamists kill him than hurt anyone's feelings.
So you are saying that I may not know about Americans and their customs even though I was born here and I have actually experienced them for all my life more than somebody who hasn't lived here and hasn't lived our ways? I suppose it is possible, but extremely unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by The
If, and that is a big If, we could shift people's -evolutionary- desire for power over others, to desire to a more personal fulfillment, Then we might have peace. However, the desire to somehow rule over others, or be better then others, is deep inside every person : /Quote:
Originally Posted by ;400597
Time will tell, I guess.
Good point.Quote:
anyways here's what america should Really do:
God is a very dangerous thing. Remember the genocide he commited with his Flood? Remember what happened to Egypt with his chemical warfare of plagues and systematic murder of first borns? Omnipotence and God is the ultimate WMD. Saddam pales in comparison to the tryannt that is the christian god. Yet american's seem to support this God? God even has one of his cronies (born again christian GWB) controlling america.
I propose a pre-emptive strike on heaven, and to try God for everything that has ever happened. Of course he'll be guily and then We can hang him.[/b]
Just look at this CIA intelligence report! It is clear Heaven is going to attack us all. We have to strike them. Man, this evidence is even more overwhelming then Saddam's WMD-evidence. :0
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That's a car showroom not a tank factory, o geeze n00b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Shit, now we already invaded : ( Well, lets just stay there and act like it was our plan to stay here till we bring peace to the eternally fighting hordes of angels and demons that god kept in check, but we hung him : /Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Damn, well let's just find another country near by to accuse of having similar aspirations and hopefully everyone'll be to busy worrying about that one to notice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
But first, you will have to get five ally governments (including yours) and the U.N. to convince us. But we have to consider the undeniable fact that if Iran or whoever hides their weapons in another country, it will prove that the weapons never even existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
Jeeeze, you're just making it silly and unrealistic now :roll: :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Yes, reality is not realistic. :meditate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
As long as america keeps making sitcoms, and keeps comedy central running, this country is fine. If not, the next president better expect a assasination attempt.
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Now on a more serious note.
If america was never born this world would most likely be run by germany. World War 1, and World War 2 may have been lost. (exspecially WW2) Hitlers "Super Human Race" would have become reality. Brittan, and the rest of the allies, were loosing the war before we came in. Also, England back in the 1800's would have stayed as the major power, without the U.S to fight them, they would have grown in power, and maby have been "ruler" of the world. But i am still young, parsay. and y'all intimidate me with your talk, and im most likely getting in over my head with this post.