What's the dealio with GOP candidate Ron Paul?

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Originally Posted by jaasum

Haha, no not really. He was the mayor of new york during the terrorist attack, and people think he even did a poor job at that. He is a sniving pandering moron that is for big buisness, just look at his background it has "conflict of interest" written all over it. Not to mention all his campaign money is made off of pulling people's emotion's over 9/11.

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I know your opinion of him, but he does have the most support of all of the Republican candidates. The scientific poll numbers verify that.

Why is Giuliani more popular than his rivals? That's what I was attempting to get at. Everyone knows that the most popular candidate is the most likely to win, but that isn't very useful in determining what makes one candidate superior to another.

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Originally Posted by R.D.735

Why is Giuliani more popular than his rivals?

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Because he is riding on the coattails of 9/11 (IMHO). 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the far right, and (as far as the public is concerned) he was the "man on the ground," as it were.

Here is a perfect example of how the Radicons attack Ron Paul's positions. Ten points for every time you spot something ironic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cch-yKaTyW4

Oh and in case you want to know what it is, It's Sean Hannity trying to take on Ron Paul supporters.

And here is another attempted attack on Ron Paul. The man arguing against him uses some other classic talking points Sean Hannity didn't include so I thought it was an important addition.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FDnkpTkNXtM

Why do pundits reach so far into the realm of ridiculousness in order to attack him?

The fact that every fox news debate goes out of their way to make him look bad is hillarious. It is like "Oh yeah people love him, but really, people don't"

Lets put it this way, if the planes that were supposed to hit the twin towers failed, nobody would give a SHIT about Rudy, at all. The only reason he is there is because he is profiteering off of 9/11 and that is fucking disgusting to me.

Now UM should see how I feel when people claim Ron Paul just says what he says to get attention.

I personally think Giuliani is there because he has mananged to raise the most money, just like Hillary Clinton.

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Now UM should see how I feel when people claim Ron Paul just says what he says to get attention.

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Ron Paul is sincere as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Your condesension is weak and trashy.

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I wasn't condescending you, I was being honest. You're on the defensive edge :banana:

PS. I have a life, I can't be on the forum all day ranting and raving over silly things as if it makes a difference. That and I wanted to hear learn more about the other candidates since so far I haven't heard much about the democrats or third parties

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Originally Posted by juroara

I wasn't condescending you, I was being honest.

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You can't be condescending and honest at the same time? However, you were being dishonest, and I illustrated that. You were also being dishonest just then by saying this is not condescending...

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Originally Posted by juroara

universal mind, please leave this forum for a while. because you need time to think before you debate any further. you're being illogical and can't see the hypocrisy of your own statements. at no point did Paul blame America. You are doing what you do with everyone on this board, taking their words and twisting to some contorted idea they are not expressing. I don't think you mean to do this on purpose, but it's sad, and it's dangerous in a presidential election if you can't understand what a candidate is saying.

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You were also condescending in your last post too, although you are obviously in no legitimate position to be condescending. Plus, you did not counter the arguments I made about the post I called condescending. Conclusion: Your last two posts in this thread are nothing but condescending, evasive, defeated hot air. ;)

Now talk about the political issues, preferably starting with countarguments to my political points, if you actually have some intelligent points to make. I won't hold my breath.

sorry, but that was my honest opinion. I'm not here to make counter arguments with you. is there a point? :bowdown:

and several people here have already said things here about ron paul of which I agree with so I would just be repeating them. my sentiments are the opposite of yours, I would just about die if giuliani became president.

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Originally Posted by juroara

I'm not here to make counter arguments with you.

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Obviously. Why do something like that when it is so much easier to just make unfounded personal insults against me and not back them up? Nice work. Thank you for contributing so much to this discussion. :goodjob2:

I dont mean to personally insult you, so I'm sorry. but they aren't 'unfounded', because that's what you do a lot. you twist words around, you've done it with me lots. someone says apple and you yell a them for saying orange.

you twisted ron pauls statements, and I find that dangerous in a political debate were understanding what a candidate is saying is essential. that and, I hate politics because I hate words getting twisted up to sway the public. if a candidate is talking about apples, yell at them for those apples. and not this orange.

Don't take him personally, its his nature to assume everyone that disagrees with him needs to be attacked rather than conversed with.

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Don't take him personally, its his nature to assume everyone that disagrees with him needs to be attacked rather than conversed with.

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She attacked me, troll. Did you look in a mirror while you made that comment? You should have.

Why are you so determined to be a troll?

i wish i was amerian so I could vote for ron paul

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Originally Posted by Kal8

i wish i was amerian so I could vote for ron paul

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Just pretend you did. The result will be the same.

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Just pretend you did. The result will be the same.

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Ok.

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Originally Posted by jaasum

Haha, no not really. He was the mayor of new york during the terrorist attack, and people think he even did a poor job at that. He is a sniving pandering moron that is for big buisness, just look at his background it has "conflict of interest" written all over it. Not to mention all his campaign money is made off of pulling people's emotion's over 9/11.

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Yeah Guiliani is a thug. Hes being criminally investigated for wrongdoing on 9/11, foreknowledge, and destruction of evidence. He has no chance of winning the nomination. Hes a mayor of a city, and the Republicans are going to want to appeal to a wide audience, not their typical base (the moral majority) which Guiliani doesnt even appeal to anyways.

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Originally Posted by memeticverb

Guiliani... He has no chance of winning the nomination.

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Those words have been marked. ;)

"No" chance. Very bold statement. We are going to get back to your statment soon so I can show you how convinced of things you get when you are wrong.

Why is Giuliani the best Republican candidate, though? Sure, he's the most popular among Republicans, but what is that based on? McCain has more foreign policy experience, after all, and has a more conservative social platform.

I've heard the "he's running on 9-11" explanation, but I'm sure you have a different idea, UM.

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Originally Posted by R.D.735

Why is Giuliani the best Republican candidate, though? Sure, he's the most popular among Republicans, but what is that based on? McCain has more foreign policy experience, after all, and has a more conservative social platform.

I've heard the "he's running on 9-11" explanation, but I'm sure you have a different idea, UM.

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Mainly, he is the only Republican candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton. That alone gets him the nomination, most likely. That is so important to Republicans that they are willing to overlook that fact that he is pro-choice and pro-gun-control. His handling of 9/11 has a lot to do with his popularity, and so does his great ability to communicate, debate, and sound strong. McCain is seen as having a lot of good qualities and an impressive resume too, but he comes across as kind of a wuss when he speaks, and that makes him look vulnerable in a debate with Hillary Clinton. He lacks conviction and energy. I think the Republicans are tired of having candidates that suck at communicating. Bob Dole was a total pansie of a public communicator, and Bush has trouble getting through sentences. Republicans want a great communicator with conviction on top of what they see as the other necessary qualities.

Exactly, no one actually wants to vote for him because of his policy. They want to vote for him because they think he can beat hillary. Now for Ron Paul people want to vote for him because they like his policy. I also know for a fact he would easily beat hillary in an election, though no one seems to give him much credit for that.

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Originally Posted by Alric

Exactly, no one actually wants to vote for him because of his policy. They want to vote for him because they think he can beat hillary.

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I was just talking about what gives him the advantage over the other candidates, whose policies are not that different from his generally.

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Originally Posted by Alric

Now for Ron Paul people want to vote for him because they like his policy. I also know for a fact he would easily beat hillary in an election, though no one seems to give him much credit for that.

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Really? Then he needs to run as an independent. Seeing is believing.

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Originally Posted by Alric

Now for Ron Paul people want to vote for him because they like his policy. I also know for a fact he would easily beat hillary in an election, though no one seems to give him much credit for that.

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How the heck can you know that as a fact? He makes too much sense and can't lie as well, and would probably not change his mind based on which way the wind was blowing, so I really don't think he has much of a chance.

I have other reasons for not liking him--he is known as one of the worst for animal rights voting record, and he is against abortion. But I assume he isn't for giving huge somes of money for research, which would probably do more for animal experimentation than actually changing laws, and they'll never outlaw abortion, because that would give up a big reason why a lot of people support the Republicans.