CSPAN Dec 19th Ron Paul supporters not on payroll to call in
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Universal Mind, Scientific Polls are illegit. http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/vie...thread=3672437
It's obvious he's beat. No point in kicking him after he's already down. Then we'd be no better than he was a few months back. (although, we do provide links :chuckle:)
Onward and upward... Hopefully after we reach our goal he'll honor his promise to become a priest.
Ron Paul has always had support but it seems like the media is suddenly changing their mind about him after he got that 6 million in one day. I guess you can only ignore so much.
Ron Paul on Meet The Press 12-23-07 part 1 of 4; part 2 of 4; part 3 of 4; part 4 of 4
I thought he did pretty well, owning them at every turn. Judge for yourself.
Ron Paul would never get my vote because he doesnt look healthy. Its almost like, I don't listen to what he says because of the way he looks.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5564/picture2es4.png
Now, you move on to baseless personal attacks on someone's personal appearance? Just how old are you, and how deep a pit do you want to dig for yourself?
By the way, how's your man Giuliani doing? I don't hear much about him these days. :chuckle:
http://www.allreaders.com/pictures/r...liani_drag.jpg
To tell the truth I prefer Obama at this point. I mean, he just looks so healthy. When I look at him, I dont feel like I'm about to witness televized cardiac arrest. He's still got colored hair and dark, healthy skin.
Yes, Obama would make a fine president.
At least Ron Paul answers their questions in a normal way, not that bullshit politician way most of them do. Even the really stupid questions, which so many of them are.
McCain is like that too, but I disagree with him so much. It's like he's not pure evil slime like the rest of them, but he's so wrong.
I guess I will violate my own principles and vote for a Republican if Paul wins the nomination. I did it once for a Democrat, trying to keep Bush out, so I guess I can go Repbulican once too.
He has just as legitimate a chance as Giuliani or Romney. The only thing his opponent and the meida has against him is that Scientific Poll are only accounting for the 6.6% of the Republican base that decided it was important enough to symbolically cast their ballots at the last republican primaries.
Ron Paul- PBS Now- Online Phenomenon Part 1; Part 2 a very nice mini-documentary on the Ron Paul campaign.
The Ron Paul Factor-CNN 12/26/07
Huckabee To Ron Paul LOL... ahead? Where are his supporters again? Selling yourself out as a corporate shill to the CFR and Bilderberg group isn't something to be proud of...
Olbermann Giuliani Made Millions Lobbying For Data Mining PWNED!!! :chuckle:
Freakin FOX News.... now I KNOW Ron Paul is doing something right.
FOX Excluding Ron Paul in debate
Yeah, you beat me to it, TJ.
Fucked up, ain't it? :wtf:
It's just the same old thing they always do with the libertarian candidates. This time he just happens to be a Republican.
Ron Paul is racist, misogynist, anti-gay, and he rejects reality. He wants to turn the United States of America into a theocracy.
Ron Paul in photo with Stormfront leader, son.
Don't Believe the Hype (Ron Paul is Not Your Savior).
The Real Truth About Ron Paul.
He is also a member of the fringe organization Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which believes:
- "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah with evolution.
- HIV does not cause AIDS.
- the "gay lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.
I cannot fathom how anyone could actually believe this right-wing fundie will be a good thing for America if elected president.
I don't think he is sexist or anti-gay, at leat not based on what you linked. He is just a big time states' rights supporter. It looks like there is some question as to whether or not he really made the comment about 95% of D.C. black men being criminals. It would be surprising if a man in Congress actually said something like that publicly. If he thinks HIV does not cause AIDS or that the gay lifestyle shortens life expectancy by twenty years, then that is just what he believes as a medical doctor. He would not be a bad person for thinking that stuff is true. You can believe things like that and still think they are unfortunate. However, that is a very fringe view for a medical doctor to have, but it is not like I am any position to argue with him on it, and I'm not sure you are either. All we can say is that the vast majority of medical doctors disagree with him on those points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
Wow...I'm amazed and yet, appalled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
It is misogynistic to strip women of their rights to make decisions regarding their own bodies - in favour of a clump of cells no less. Funny how Ron Paul's claims of an individual's rights to personal privacy ends at a women's right to choose (which is a private, personal decision). He's a woman hating hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
It is anti-gay to deny homosexuals the same rights to legal union. Ron Paul is very crafty and purposely avoids saying things like "I think gays are dirty and evil" but his actions in office and the fridge organizations in which he participates support that very idea.
Red the links again. Not only did he make these racist comments on his own political newsletter, but he openly accepts support from Stormfront, a white supremicist website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Please explain in detail how the following comments, made by Ron Paul himself, are not racist.
Ron Paul said:
"Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
Here's another link, just for good measure.
It is a scientific fact that HIV causes AIDS. Conversely, there is no scientific validity to the idea that who you choose to have sex with shortens your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
By going against the proven scientific facts of medical science, while supporting unvalidated theories, his credibility as a doctor is seriously threatened and it is my personal belief that he should not be practicing medical science because his mere "opinion" becomes dangerous and misleading when dealing with patient's lives.
If Ron Paul does think certain things are bad, that is fine as long as it stays his personal opinion. When he tries to bring about legislation that supports his fringe opinion and oppress the freedoms of the majority, then it is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I will always argue when someone tries to push their unsupported, fringe belief on the majority, and if you value your freedom, you will too. I am not saying that he should be censored, but I will gladly use my right to free speech to counter hateful, bigotted drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Amen to that! Ah, sorry for the tl;dr but I think it is important that people consider the values that Ron Paul operates under, other than the fact that he is against the war in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I am pro-choice for the first two trimesters because it is not possible to murder something that has never had consciousness. However, I do not think a person is automatically a hater of women for being pro-life. People are pro-life generally because they think abortion is murder, not automatically because they hate women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
Ron Paul did not say he is against same sex marriages. He said it should be up to the states to decide on the matter. That is because he believes in states' rights and a small federal government, not merely because he dislikes homosexuals. Personally, I think there should be a federal law that allows same sex marriages. Ron Paul disagrees, but it is because of his beliefs on where government power should be concentrated. He might be a homophobe too, but I know he is big on states' rights.
Of course those statements are racist. I was just saying that according to your link's commenters, there is a certain degree of question over whether Paul actually said those things or if one of his workers got things screwed up somehow. It would be strange if that happened, but it would also be strange if a man with the political ability to become a Congressman and the intelligence to become a medical doctor would be stupid enough to publish comments like that. My bet is that he actually did say those things, so he probably is a racist. I was just pointing out something to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
It is definitely a fringe and bizarre conclusion that HIV does not cause AIDS. I would bet a thousand dollars against one dollar that it does. I was just saying I can't get into the biomolecular details of the argument I would have to have with Ron Paul over it. All I can say is that he is way out of the bounds of medical opinion normality on that stuff. I have heard a few right wing fanatics say gay people have much shorter life spans than heterosexuals. It sounds crazy to me, and I have never seen proof of it. However, if it is true, then it is true. People are not hateful for noticing the fact if it is a fact, which I would strongly guess it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
I'm glad you brought this stuff to our attention. Nobody had mentioned it yet, and there are some very dedicated Ron Paul supporters who post here. I might have come across as one, but I am not. I don't agree with his views on terrorism, and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever becoming the president. And now I think he might be a total nut case. I was just saying I am not completely convinced yet, but I am not as far from it as I might have seemed. I just always challenge new ideas before I accept them. But I would say Ron Paul apparently probably is a racist with cuckoo land medical views and is most likely a homophobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekhmet
Yes Ron Paul is anti abortion, but he is also pro states rights. Hes a big enough person to say, some time its best to leave it to the state to decide. There are many for and against it. I personally think he has the best opinion of, let the states decide. If your against it move to a state where its against the law, if your for it move to one where its allowed.
Now the idea that Ron Paul is a horrible person for using sweatshops, thats a silly claim. He uses a company, which uses another company which at some point once used a sweatshop. Saddly, the majority of companies probably do that now, and I am sure he isn't even aware of it.
As for evolution, I couldn't care less what he believes. It has nothing to do with him being president. Hes never going to take any kind of stand for or against it, its really not an issue in anyway. Though to point out, thats a very vague answer he gave, even if he is leaning towards saying he doesn't believe it. It wasn't an extreme view he had.
As for saying that stuff about the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, thats not exactly fair. Who is to say he agrees with them on everything? People rarely do follow groups 100%. Its far more likely he is apart of the group because hes is against Universal health care and wants the government out of the medical field. Its also against medicare, which I am very much against. So they promote some good issues, and hes likely with them because of that.
As for the link saying Ron Paul is horrible because he is pro gun, well I can't disagree there more. Thats a reason to vote for him! I want someone who is pro gun. No restrictions on any guns, is perfectly fine with me. He thinks there a war on religion, duh! There is. Hes against affirmative action? Well so am I. Its totally not right, its institutional racism. That site reads more like reasons to be pro Ron Paul, than it does for being against him.
Pretty nice and compelling argument, you addressed pretty much everything except the blatant racist remarks he "allegedly" made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Exactly, the one "allegedly" made quote. Now if you can point to other quotes, or show where there is some kind of history of him saying that kind of stuff, then thats something. One quote, which you can't even prove he actually wrote doesn't mean a thing. I mean, theres thousands of youtube videos of him talking. I seen videos of him in a debate back from before I was born! Yet I never seen him say anything like that. Not once. So if he is so racist, why not give us some real proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
I never said he was racist. And I'm not going by anything except what the poster above stated and the links I clicked. It sounds pretty harsh and if Ron did indeed say those things, it would seem he is asking for trouble (or less votes)...which is why I'm on the fence about the issue. Has Ron shed some light on those racial remarks btw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Well, here's what he has to say about the issue itself:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
Whether he said what Sek claims or not - if it were to come out that he did (and proceed to behave in a racist manner), it would surely come back to bite him in the ass later.
The ABC debate went by nicely for Ron... You probably want to skip all the meaningless noise of the other CFR puppets, here's some nice excerpts of Ron Paul...
Ron Paul on ABC Debate part 1 of 2
Ron Paul on ABC Debate part 2 of 2
Ron Paul Teaches Fred Thompson How To Be President
In regards to the FAUX debate he was excluded from, I'll just post what I said in another thread...
1. Fox denies Paul a chair at the forum
2. N.H. GOP withdraws it's co-sponsorship
3. On Monday the story is covered by every major media outlet in N.H, and the nation
4. People start asking themselves...WTF?
5. Ron Paul receives an additional 5% in the N.H. primary
Thank you FAUX!
Fox News stock (NWS) is down 7% since news of this censorship got out.
Dump what you have of NWS! :chuckle:
FOX News Corp Stock Taking a Beating for Slighting Ron Paul
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=NWS&t=5d&l=off&q=l
FOX NEWS FRAUD - TWICE IN ONE NIGHT (Ron Paul)
Sean Hannity Chased Down By Angry Republicans
Ron Paul Supporters Fight The Power In Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
two words: CFR puppet.
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=NWS&t=5d&l=off&q=l
Watching FAUX news stock plummet in real time might be as fun as watching Ron Paul earn his millions in real time was...
Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show over the next few days as the above image continually drops...:banana::popcorn: :banana:
well, I cant say I really understand the trend of the news. but I can say that Ron Paul is the breath of fresh air that this country needs. Less government, more thought in to the economy, we need to take care of home.
Needless to say, I'm disappointed to see the results of New Hampshire but I kind of expected as much. Underhanded evil elements pulling out all the stops, as usual. And, just look at how FAUX's news stock magically went back up. I wonder why it went back up despite such open boycotting and ridicule... Evil likes to pretend to have all the cards, but hope is something they can never take away. Only pretend to steal. Always Remember: Don't ever GIVE it to them.... and they never win. ;)
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wtf? :huh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
you rock Solskye for keeping us updated.
Yea, that is a very strange comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
I'm not sure what to think about Ron Paul. it seems like he's just being slandered by some people, but then again there was a lot of weird rascist stuff said by the newsletter supposedly put out by him. He denies that he knew about it or agreed with it. That sseems irresponsible at best.
From what I understand the document was put together by a group of writers in his name - he has accepted responsibilty for not reviewing the content before releasing it:Quote:
a lot of weird rascist stuff said by the newsletter supposedly put out by him. He denies that he knew about it or agreed with it. That sseems irresponsible at best.
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“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.
“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”
Now what REALLY pisses me off:
Pussy. He sits there and talks about "revolution" and challenging the current ways of government, and he wont challenge the obvious butt-f**king he's getting. I dunno, I'm startin' to think he may end up being converted back into a typical politician. Will be interesting to see if they get him to "play ball" with everyone else.Quote:
"After a careful investigation, I have decided against seeking a recount in New Hampshire. I am confident that not asking for a recount is the right decision."
Well they all have some problems in their past. He trusted people not to put crap under his name and it was a mistake. Personally I think its better than the ones going around who did crack and stuff. Everyone knows Ron Paul isn't a racist though. Its easy enough to look back on youtube for videos 20 years ago where hes saying the same stuff he is today, and no one has ever seen him make any sort of racist comment.
I'm pretty busy these days and as such can't make the time to post updates of clips and what not, anymore. If someone could take up the reigns in my absence so when I do have the time I can check without having to research myself, that would be nice. Thanks.
I was hoping for him to win one of the early primaries. It looks as if we'll have to wait until Feb 6 to find out just how much support he has. The answer could either be uplifting or profoundly upsetting.
We should not forget that this is a two-party campaign, though, and the constitution-advocate on the Democratic side, Kucinich, has had, so far, even less turnout than Ron Paul. Ideally, both candidates would run against each other, in a debate over the role of government in people's lives, using the constitution as an agreed-upon foundation for argument. I'm not so optimistic (even though I try my best).
My question is this: if the race came down to the two candidates most disagreeable to us (as unlikely as that may seem), what would be the best thing to do? Vote and hope, or abandon voting altogether because, after all, no choice is the same as no vote. Either way, the influence we have over the role of government (for the next 4 years, at least) would be negligible.
I usually vote libertarian, not because I think they are going to win, but just to get their percentage up a little bit to make them more legitimate. I did vote against Bush the second time, and I'm still kind of mad I even bothered and messed up my perfect record of not voting Republicrat. But I'd do the same against Romney or Huckabee no matter what democrat was running. I think. Maybe not; I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for Clinton. I still have to figure out if I really like Ron Paul or not, if he did actually run.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
You're right; it doesn't matter.
It's unfortunate Paul seems not to have gotten the attention he deserves. Shame on the media for effectively making him all but invisible.
I've voted in six presidential elections so far, and so far have only voted Democrat. I never thought I would vote Republican, but I might actually have voted for Paul, depending on who ran against him. Most of all, I wanted him to win the Republican side because then I could have probably accepted whomever won the presidency.
Its actually kind of disgusting what the media is doing. I was watching fox during the nevada caucus(I live in nevada). They went and they listed how everyone was doing, and put all their pictures up and they said Romney was in first, Mccain was in second and huckblee was in third. Then at the bottom of the screen it showed how everyone was doing, Ron Paul was in second place. They flat out ignored him and then lied about second and third place.
It's rather disgusting to see how much the mainstream media still treats these things as "debates" when really it's a mass-marketed side-show created in order to not have to cover Iraq and the depressing truths of a collapsing economy. What's especially surprising to me is how many of you here have no qualms about the electoral system and the way it's portrayed and still manage to have faith in the legitamacy of America's democratic process...I'm not saying you shouldn't, I just would've thought that there would be more skeptical people. People who think that what America really needs is a way to begin accepting the inevitable collapse of its various socio-political structures and how the country should begin living with this - for me, the primaries are the same tired game of promises and personality contests.
Whats scary is all the reports of election fruad, and pollsters being kicked out of election places, voting machines that refuse to accept ballots, companies printing large number of extra ballots and not telling anyone what they are doing with them. Machines which are known to be very hackable, and are being run by people who spent time in jail for drug smuggling. Known cases of people 'accidently' reporting the wrong numbers in elections.
I mean compared to that, the fact that the media lies and and puts out clearly biases reports, isn't as bad.
Why the hell have we had perfectly reliable ATM's for decades that people trust with their money, and we can't make a friggin voting machine that counts accurately? It makes no sense. They could have a printout that was counted seperately by a whole different group people as a double-check even; and if they didn't match, they would know something was wrong. Just the fact that they don't make these machines is suspicous to me.
Well everyone says they are made to be manipulated, no one actually trusts them. They are even banned in some states.
If, however, the voting system cannot respond to the true wishes of the people, whether it is rigged or the people are being successfully manipulated(which seems much more likely), the question still remains: what to do?
Protests and civil disobedience seem like the obvious answer, but I can't tell if the public would even be receptive to such action, or whether they would consider it 'rocking the boat.' Would protests and civil disobedience in response to a telecom amnesty bill be greeted with support by the public, or would they be greeted with support for measures to limit the extent to which protests and civil disobedience can be carried out?
People protest this kind of stuff all the time. Its just not covered much by the news and so people ignore it.
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Originally Posted by R.D.735
Unfortunately, probably the latter.
I am behind Dr. Paul 200%.
The other candidates just don't seem to focus on the real issues and instead promote a fantasy life of national health care and quick fixes. They just don't see all the liberties that are being ripped away by our government every time some law or bill gets passed.
This isn't about Ron Paul; this is about the American people, and all the rights they (used to) have. We need Dr. Paul in the White House!
And another one down...
And another one down...
And another one bites the dust :cool:
Didn't Ron Paul say he wasn't going to drop out..?
Hes not, and theres no reason for him to. He has enough money to keep going while the others are suffering.
lol. When did Ron Paul say that? Especially considering his campaign keeps getting better each day.
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Originally Posted by SolSkye
Argh. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Grod
Do you guys think he's still a strong candidate considering the outcome of the primaries so far?
I think he's got it made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grod
Hes still the only real choice in the election. Which is why I am going to keep supporting him till the end. He has the money to keep going, and he is going to. His best chance at the moment is going into the convention with as many delegates as possible, and then using that influence.
Hes likely going to have enough delegates to make a impact though I am not sure if its going to be enough to win. I am not sure what else he wants though, he could make a deal to help get his message out, or he could make a deal to be vice president or something. I am not sure if he would go for that though.
Of course it doesn't help that the media is still making up crap. A good example is what happened in west virgina. They made a big story about how Mccain supporters threw their support behind Huckablee so he could defeat Romney. They totally ignore the fact that Ron Paul supports did the same thing, and in exhange Hucklablee supporters pleaded 3 of the 18 delegates to Ron Paul. Which means Ron Paul won more deletages than either mccain or romney did in that state.
Its true Ron Paul isn't winning any big states, but hes slowly chipping away at them and theres still many states left.
I'd give him a snowball's chance in hell right now, but that's just me.
Super-Tuesday is over, and the Republican race has all but been decided. A simple majority wins all of the delegates, and Ron Paul hasn't won very many. The chances of him winning most of the remaining states is practically nil, from what I've seen of McCain's success (it's the war issue). I'm glad he ran, and will keep running, but he can't win by running for the Republican nomination. I'll still give him a conciliation vote, for what it's worth.
A McCain nomination, of course, practically settles the November election, at least once the Democrats have made their choice.
The most important thing in my mind is holding those who have broken the law accountable for their crimes. I don't think any of the front-runners want to touch that concept for fear of sounding vengeful, and I suspect the current mire of scandals will go the way of Iran-Contra and the Gulf of Tonkin incident: crimes happened, but no one is held responsible. Oh well.
Oh Romney is quitting. Just three left now.
:shock: WOW!Quote:
Oh Romney is quitting. Just three left now.
I must admit, after seeing no substantial progress with Ron Paul I just figured he'd basically get his name out there, maybe raise some awareness on issues. But now... things are getting rather interesting.
Still, the chances of Romney supporters to swing over to Paul? I never met one so I have no idea what their view would be - but I assume they're closer to McCain's than Paul's.
What happens to the delegates that the dropouts received?
Well actually he 'suspended' his campaign. Which basicly means he quits but he gets to keep all the delegates. Of course they can vote for whoever they want.
However, the fact that he's dropped out gives the feeling that he'll be a puss when anything big comes up and will hopefully sway some(or a lot, hopefully) away from him.
form thirdpartywatch.com
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I’ll be writing an article on Ron Paul’s speech as I get the time, but thought I’d first provide a few quotes from the Ron Paul wing of CPAC about Mitt Romney’s suspended race. People who care about “fiscal issues should start looking at Ron,” said Lauren Drew, Arlington VA Ron Paul MeetUp coordinator.
Following his speech, I asked Ron Paul how he felt about Romney dropping out of the race.
“It narrows the field,” said the presidential contender, who added that we are “not disappointed on that.”
Former Paul National Field Director Dennis Fusaro said, “Good riddance to bad rubbish.”
There will be “lots of heartbroken virgins in Salt Lake City,” quipped Attention Deficit Democracy author Jim Bovard.
“[Romney’s] wife got tired of him writing so many checks,” responded former Congressman Bob Barr. He added, “A lack of substance cannot buy credibility.”
I was told by some local Paul supporters that Romney’s staff turned their table in the exhibit hall over for Ron Paul’s use. According to one of of these supporters (his name tag read Kevin O), the guys at the Romney booth, who only had ten minutes advance notice that Mitt Romney was going to drop, are now planning to vote for Ron Paul.
Photo of Ron Paul as I asked for his response to Romney dropping out of the race.
Posted by Stephen Gordon in News, Ron Paul, Presidential Race,
Direct link please? I want to show this to my Social and Political Philosophy professor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranma187
:banana:
This makes me smile if its true!
200+ possible delegates!
(Although probably not all of them)
:boogie:
Ron paul is winning!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36607
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Don't listen to the bullshit straw poll-It's Meaningless
We won the most delegates.
We know it
The WSRP knows it (some of them might need to change their pants I'm making up a rumour that many of them shat themselves upon seeing the delegate totals and further defecated profusely in them upon realizing that they had elected our shadow delegates and it's too late to do anything about it).
CNN knows it.
But they are scared that if you come to know it the grassroots will experience a resurgence and rise from the ashes like a phoenix to lead this nation through the trying times ahead.
Prove them Wrong
Don't be scared be a delegate! Or organize something to help get the delegates the money and transportation they need to get to the next caucus
No, he's really not. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ranma187
Ron Paul
After NH and all the fraud that took place there and the media blackout that ensued, I knew that was just the tip of the iceberg of the shit to push Ron Paul down, so I stepped aside and let the chips fall where they may. Which in this case, isn't surprising.
I could rant and rave until I'm blue in the face, but instead here are some examples of blatant problems with our election system.
Ron Paul Missing from Ballot in Rockland County, NY
California Election Fraud
Faux News: Ron Paul Gets Unfair Coverage Nevada Caucuses (Ron Paul was #2 yet his name wasn't even mentioned)
In any event, I don't see anyone surpassing the will of the powers that be. It was a fun run while it lasted.
he's winning just nobody wants to prove it. He has the votes of romneys ex deligates.
That's not at all guaranteed, it's a possibility.
It's not going to be a brokered convention. :(
Whats a real joke is when they have large number of unaccounted for votes. Just the other night I was watching and every states had huge number of unreported votes. Theres only three people running, and 25% of the votes fall under someone else? Its ridiculous on places like CNN when they put their pie chart up and a quarter of the pie is blank.
Or fox reporting the results had something like 26% for one guy, 25% for someone else, then 23% for someone else. And thats the results. Some simple math shows that the numbers don't add up. Yet they never try to explain where the votes are going.
The Race is far from over: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36910
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There was a lot of confusion this weekend over Ron Paul’s Friday message. The old media and many supporters took his note to mean that he’d thrown in the towel and quit the race, but nothing could be further from the truth!
You wouldn’t know it from the old media, but the GOP race is far from settled. They’re trying to paint John McCain as the guaranteed nominee, but we know that the media doesn’t have as much control as they’d like to pretend. Remember? Last summer they painted Rudy G as the frontrunner, but his campaign died with a barely a whimper. His main problem was that no one voted for him. Now McCain is in a similar position: He’s so popular that nobody votes for him. This weekend McCain got trounced in – of all places – Kansas, by – of all people – Mike Huckabee. He lost Louisiana, and at last count he’s in a virtual three-way tie with Huck and Ron Paul in Washington State’s straw poll.
Not only is McCain disliked by voters, he’s positively hated by the conservative neocon spinmeisters. Ann Coulter ravaged him in a blistering attack last week on Hannity & Colmes (must see video here). Hannity didn’t put up much of a fight defending him. Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is also having second thoughts about McCain. This neocon revolt has the Wall Street Journal mounting its own weak attempt at defending him in an editorial in this Saturday’s edition. (The Right is Wrong on McCain. But Saturday? Does anyone read the Saturday edition of the Wall Street Journal?
The real problem with McCain is that he has all the appeal Y2K’s leftovers, which is what he is. Who wants the guy who lost to Bush in 2000 to be the next president of the United States? Should he win the nomination, it is pretty widely suspected that he’ll be 2008’s version of Bob Dole.
Now turn your attention to Mitt Romney. If you’ll recall, Romney did not quit the race, he merely suspended his campaign. This seemingly subtle distinction is of great importance, as suspension means that he holds onto his delegates and could, should he so desire, reanimate his campaign. Importantly, for all his high and flowery language about standing aside “for our party and our country in this time of war,” he rather stingily (don’t you think?) refused to hand over his delegates to McCain. Nor did he lavish on McCain a fawning endorsement the way Rudy G did when he quit the race.
Meanwhile Huckabee, who’s central campaign strategy seems to be to copy everything that Ron Paul does (now he wants to abolish the IRS, too – sound familiar?), has no doubt read us Paulites talking about going all the way to the brokered convention. No doubt he thought to himself, “Self, that is a great idea! I’m going all the way to the brokered convention!” So he copied us again. Big deal. You know what they say about imitation. And if he manages to help block McCain from winning enough delegates to clinch the nomination…well, so be it. That’s good for us because it ensures the outcome we want – the brokered convention! The increasing possibility of a brokered convention means that Mitt “I hate to lose” Romney might also be tempted to jump back into the race. Good! Welcome back, Mitt! They don’t call you Flip Romney for nothing! We’ve got a job for you, too. You can help dilute the pro-war vote, bicker with the other two over technicalities, and open up a nice big hole for Ron Paul to run through and grab the nomination!
We all have a job to do, too. What we need to do is help ensure that Ron Paul has as strong a showing as possible in the eighteen (as I count them) remaining state contests. Forget the idea of a third party run. If you thought the old media ignored him in the debates as a Republican, just remember this: 1) At least he was on the stage, 2) Good luck getting anywhere near this kind of exposure as a third party, and 3) Best of luck trying to avoid becoming the GOP’s scapegoat when their ultimate nominee loses in a landslide.
Ron Paul is a Republican. This is what he’s said, and if you respect him you’ll respect his decision. He’s been at this game much longer than any of us, so let’s trust that he knows what he’s doing. If you don’t like it, just remember this:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.Dr. Paul is our man in the arena. This race is still far from over and new developments are changing it every day. What Dr. Paul needs now more than ever is our trust and our support. Forget the third party, let’s take over the Republican party! The infrastructure is already there, but the rats are abandoning ship. We Paulites are the ones with the passion and the energy to reshape it. It has already begun happening in Alaska. As Ron Paul has said myriad times, the Republican base is shrinking. Now Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh and Co. are helping to lead the exodus of the remaining rats.
Beyond this presidential election, this is a huge opportunity for all of us – together – to rebuild the Republican party into something that represents us all. A new generation is rising. The fight for liberty is never ending.
Welcome to the most important seven months of this campaign.
Mark your calendars accordingly:
Maryland - Feb 12
Virginia - Feb 12
DC - Feb 12
Washington - Feb 19
Rhode Island - March 4
Ohio - March 4
Texas - March 4
Vermont - March 4
Mississippi - Mar 11
Pennsylvania - April 22
Indiana - May 6
Nebraska - May 13
North Carolina - May 6
Kentucky - May 20
Oregon - May 20
Oregon - May 20
Idaho - May 27
New Mexico - June 3
To all whom say mccain leads with delegates heres an interesting tidbit of information the MEDIA never tells you.
of 80% of these delegates, they aren't commited to mccain, or huckabee
at the republican convention in september, those delegates, most of them, DO NOT have to vote for who they did back in the primaries and caucuses
which means, if ron paul could convince those delegates, he COULD snatch mccains, romneys, and huckabees and win the damn thing
the chances are LOW, but its better trying then giving up
the next person to be negative gets a slap upside their head from me :D
I don't know about all that but here's some light-hearted fun...
RON PAUL AND FOX NEW'S
New from MSNBC:
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Originally Posted by NBC's Domenico Montanaro
ron paul announced a monumentally large protest in washington for june 7th 2008, it SHOULD be the largest protest EVER STAGED IN AMERICAN HISTORY
lets see the media try to ignore that story.
I got this in my email this morning:
A message from Ron paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMliyeIDp4Quote:
RTR Washington, DC - In a recent video posted by the Ron Paul Campaign, Presidential front runner Ron Paul calls on his supporters for a full scale march on Washington. Reinforcing his presidential bid he instructed his base "...Stay engaged, stay active and do not be disillusioned... we can't drop the ball right now."
His proposal for a march on Washington began, "There is something we ought to do, I think we ought to have a grand display... we should have a true march...", Paul stated before cautioning his supporters about the risks of such an action. The leading contender for the White House alluded that a march on Washington could send as powerful a message as the money bombs forcing the media to take notice once again. Paul cautioned, "...at the same time if nobody shows up... it might mean that there are not enough of us, that we don't have the energy... maybe we didn't want to go to Washington."
Full Story: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/content/view/260/71/
I've had 3 comments deleted from this video.
Ranma, regarding that march in Washington - read this other point of perspective. Why it may just be a waste.
Well, tomorrow's the big day here in Ohio. All the attention is going towards Obama and Hilary, but strange how there's been not much about McCain. Hmm.... could it be that it's because he's on the ballot illegally?. The SOB might not even be eligible to be president if one were to investigate his citizenship a bit more thoroughly.
Whatever, this whole race is gettin outta contro.
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Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
What about it? According to the article he's is a natural born citizen making him eligible to be a canditate.
Its an open and shut case.
MCcain won the GOP nomination...... we're fucked.
No...we're only fucked if Hilary wins the nomination...alas, there's still hope young lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranma187