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Originally Posted by jaasum
UM should also take note, it's not because you were right...
It's because you are a broken record stuck on an anecdotal baseless farce...
I'm sure you already know that...and that's where you get your kicks... I've been watching long enough to know you aren't a complete buffoon...You like deception...
The light, truth, and flames of the third eye of SolSkye penetrates... your vacuous dark unfounded blackhole...
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Awesome. Another return of a great seven year old who has nothing to add to the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Ooh, cool! My mommy said she will take us to Chuck E. Cheese when we get finished playing Star Wars in the yard. Can I be Luke?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Who's the one continually steering things away from facts, dodging truth, and just joking around?
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I gotta go be productive and teach people some english... we'll continue... Your move, son...:chuckle:
I would like to thank you for the valuable contributions you make to these threads. It reminds me that you are not obsessed with me and that you do not dedicate a huge percentage of your Extended Discussion threads purely to the topic of me. Would you like for me to mail you an autograph? Keep following me around like a lost puppy. It strongly supports the argument that Ron Paul is going to kick major ass in the 2008 election. How many more posts would you like to come at me out of the blue with and make all about me? I can keep finding this amusing as long as you don't play that factory banging nightmare you call your music.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Lol I am always right and you would realize that if you actually responded to my questions instead of dodging them repeatedly with opposing opinions and just accept my apparent truth because I simply said it. [/sarcasm]
Okay!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
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i am drunk
I only started 'dedicating' crap to you, because of all the people on here, you like to persist and insist on excreting obvious lies and unfounded nonsense on a regular basis on many a political issue...and have continually refused to accept well-known irrefutable facts...So much so, that the people interested in these topics get irritated with even attempting to reason with you, and eventually the topics end up going no where and die...always with you as the culprit...WHY?
Your brainwashed partner in crime went off to Iraq to protect the forever pure and true version of American 'freedom'... by forcefeeding that freedom through the barrel of the gun... Blindly thinking he's making real changes by invading another country and killing 'al Qaeda' members...*ahem*...insurgents...
(Also commonly known as, Iraqi citizens standing up to an oppressive regime who's self-righteously invading their homeland and been bombing their neighborhood and country for over 10 years now. Needlessly and senselessly killing innocent people in the process, and blatantly stealing their oil to selfishly steer their piss-poor economy away from the verge of collapse.)
C'mon now...You haven't and don't support your opinion with ANYTHING substantive, you haven't provided us with any real information of where you get your opinion nor have you provided us with how the facts we present are in any way wrong...
I know you aren't an idiot, because I've read some interesting posts and threads from you before.
I don't know, man...Perhaps you have a chip in your head, watched one too many O'Reilly factor episodes and have been brainwashed like your buttbuddy Half/Asleep... OR perhaps you have some other sinister ulterior motive you aren't telling us that you somehow get your kicks from by purporting your unfounded noise as the truth. I honestly can't fathom how you fail to see and accept when you are completely talking out of your ass...
Of those scenerios, I prefer to go with the latter because I think you are smarter than being so easily caught up in the biased bile coming from mass-media.
So...lets be honest... Which is it? Is spreading lies, instigating anger, and refusal to accept facts in the political arena where you find your stress release or something? If so, may I suggest you cease and desist from participating in these topics, because they really aren't a laughing matter...
Start thinking objectively...
As Ron Paul said,
"We NEED to look at what we do from the perspective of, What if somebody else did that to us?"
No truer words to live by...
Oh, another very long post about ME from my obsessed fan SolSkye. Gosh, I'm flattered again. :oops: At least you didn't try to counter my points or the information in my links. That would be a big miracle. Thank you for not posting your attempt at music.
You shouldn't be flattered... you should be embarrassed...
Where are your links again? That one barking dog one you provided us with during the entire 9 pages of this discussion?
Exactly my point...Can't you concede with any grace at all? You've been found out and your shill responses are shadows of deceit to those seeking truth and justice. Now, step back into the shadows from whence you came.
Game...set...and match
:lol: If you want to claim victory in a debate, you have to debate first.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
I can't believe how important I am to you. Maybe you should start a thread about me. You also should consider making a web site about me. I think this is the most important I have ever been to anybody who only knew me from a forum site. Thank you. ;)
Believe whatever delusion that gets you through the day...
Just stay out of a thread if you have nothing pertaining to the common reality we all exist in, which you clearly lack...
I don't know what your malfunction is UM but perhaps if you think we're all mad at you because we're jealous you should look up... oh I don't know... narcissisism, borderline, perhaps antisocial disorder?
This is more like an intervention. UM, you are addicted to attacking people without nonsense and ignoring their claims. We would like to promote discussion on Ron Paul, not on how much we, as discussers, are not as cool as you.
Good afternoon, tag along. I thought you didn't believe in reality. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Oh nice. More discussion about the topic of ME. Thanks. :) But maybe I am hallucinating and you and SolSkye are not really making the subject ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
So by saying that, you are stating a debate point about Ron Paul and not talking about ME. I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's pretend. Damn, you and SolSkye keep trying to make intelligent posts about Ron Paul, and I keep interrupting your brilliant dialogue with post after post about ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Sorry, what were you saying about Ron Paul's promising presidential future? Make sure you don't get distracted and start thinking that I am the topic of the thread. :rolllaugh:
I'm not in America right now so I have no real clue what's going on except from what I read and watch on the internet...so I'm curious to hear from real sources and opinions about this topic...
Need I remind you of what I originally said on page 8 but you continually persist...
I'm asking you to cease and desist... you have done nothing but divert things...
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Originally Posted by SolSkye
Ron Paul has been in the news recently because everyone was surprised that he has raised more money than most of the other candidates. People still like to point out some polls saying he doesn't stand a chance, but as far as raising money goes he has shown he is a serious candidate.
I really hope that he gets pushed into the limelight and enough americans wake up in time...
Gosh, I can't believe I commented after you said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
I too want to know how Ron Paul is coming along. Is he the president of the United States yet? Look out, because here he comes! :goodjob2:
Serious answer: Ron Paul is way behind in the polls and does not have support from anybody but the fringe left. He has no chance of winning the Republican nomination because Republicans do not want to elect somebody who overlooks what they perceive to be very important facts about the nature of our terrorist enemies. He has no chance at all of winning the nomination.
This information will help answer your question.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ntial_election
Paul is not mentioned here because his numbers are considered insignificant.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-192.html
These polls, from various sources, show that Paul is getting about 1 to 5 percent of the poll support. He showed up as "n/a" in some and was classified under "other" in some.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm
Poisoning the well again?
You talk pretty smart for someone stupid enough to believe the reason Ron Paul isn't mentioned because he isn't significant enough.
I'll list just one example my friend told me about where he started winning in the polls so they changed his name to undecided so undecided became the poll leader.
He has united democrats and republicans, the evidence is all around us. I see Ron Paul signs everywhere I go. There are rallies for him in Sacramento, a conservative city. Tons of conservatives are rallying for him, actually. I know one guy who is a fastitdious conservative who was in favor of the war until he started listening to Ron Paul. Now when people talk about the war on terror he goes, "That is not a war on terror!" He, like any reasonable person, would support the end of terrorism, and like most Americans would support it done by force. But even he can't hide from the fact that terrorism is just an excuse the politicians are using to invade the Middle East. It's so obvious only a pathological liar like yourself wouldn't be able to see it.
Now you told me you agree with his stance on the Federal Reserve, well he is the only popular candidate that wants to get rid of it, so how can you not support him?
Finally, as your above post has no factual basis whatsoever, it further proves just how much of a threat he is. You're scrambling to use bullshit talking points and ignoring peopls arguments in favor of him. That, to me, is a very good sign.
During the last debate on fox, they had a poll on who people thought won the debate. I am not sure what the end result was but it was staying around 30-40% said ron paul won, with the next person getting 20-30%, and everyone else getting below 10%.
Even if you want to believe that Ron Paul supporters only voted because they support him and not because they think he actually won the debate, that still shows very strong support for him. You look at polls like that, then the actual cash he has raised for his campaign and you can hardly say he doesn't stand a chance. Its funny what hannity said about the poll, that he doesn't believe the result of any of the polls because Ron Paul always wins by large amounts.
The fact is he does always win. Now some people claim its because his supporters are fanatical and always vote for him, but that doesn't change the fact that he actually has enough supporters to win most of the polls he is on.
Now a fair arguement would be to say he has a large base. He does get a lot of support from democrates as well as republicans and of course democrates don't vote in the republican primaries. So he can't count on all his supporters for getting the nomination. Then again even the democrates can donate money, and go out and post signs for him. So while its far from an easy win, he is still in the running. The one big thing he has going for him is that people who like him actually like him. While alot of other candidates get support because they are "not as bad" as someone else.
That is an excellent point. I don't think I've met anyone who's choosing Ron Paul because he's a lesser evil.
Why do you want to be so pathetic? Did you even get a peep at the links? SolSkye asked for information on how Ron Paul is doing, and I provided three links on exactly that, not a statement of, "Duh, I know of some dudes who support him, so he's doing a kick ass job." There are a whole bunch of major polls listed in there. And you are going to rebut that by mentioning a few people who support Ron Paul? You would have been much better off not posting anything. You are really struggling to lie if you are going to accuse me of "poisoning the well" and making up stuff over that. And I have said repeatedly in this thread why I don't support Ron Paul. It's because he is dangerously out of touch with reality on foreign policy, which is out of the question no matter how much sense he makes on the other issues. This conversation is such a Monty Python sketch. That is why I am so entertained by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
On Fox? Could you post a link on that? Fox had one of the polls I linked, and they had him at like 1 or 2%. He would be gettting much more support than that if he were dominating debate reactions so much. Ron Paul is the only candidate who has been getting loud booing at those debates. I haven't seen this 30-40% thing yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
If Democrats like him so much, shouldn't he be running as a Democrat? And that is IF. The only people I have seen supporting him are fringe leftists.
It seemed so plausible at one time... Didn't it, UM?
But... unfortunately it seems, you, like all the other fundamentalist republican neo-con nuts out there, are afraid to admit their err in judgement in dealing with others, and so simple-mindedly proud to think their current version of the 'truth' is an absolute, and continually disallow for the different shades of gray that exist in dealing with foreign policies and thought process' of other countries and people...
The real reason Ron Paul stirs peoples' emotions, hearts, and support is because they intuitively know he is right in the sense of being 'TOLERANT' and 'CONSIDERATE' of other methods of thinking...
The current neo-con method is more of an eye for an eye...leave the world blind methodology...
Remember: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes..." -Obi wan Kenobi
PS... I don't see any threads for any other ONE candidate out there? I wonder why...?
You always give me the impression that I am talking to a crazy South Park character. What grade are you in? Maybe you can argue against polls by quoting C3POQuote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Here ya go...
These type of things (not to mention countless others on the previous pages) seem to crush your mere 3 links one of which was from fox...hmmm....anything substantive to add? I still don't see it...He is an underdog becoming the big dog...can't you see that?
No one can deny the truth he speaks...it's rings so true that it's causes an underdog like him to raise more money, and get more attention from the average person than ANY of the other candidates out there who are simply backed by corporate greed, biased mass-media, and dirty money...
So much so, the mass-media is starting to have no choice but to listen to the people and do pieces on him...
This awakening that is happening isn't something to just be written off, which you continually like to do... and why people are continually frustrated even attempting to reason with you... You lack tolerance to an unbelievable degree...
I think everyone in this thread has not only told you but shown you, that you are flat-out wrong. Everyone except your brainwashed butt-buddy who went off to impose his 'absolute' truth on people in Iraq...Why don't you just go do the same, instead of sitting in your wading pool of stagnation...spreading intolerance and deceit? At least then, more people can stay on topic and find out and spread more actual information about him, as opposed to having to hear your dis-information.
:bravo: I thank you so much for this free entertainment. Fox was just one of the many conductors of the polls I posted. Ask your mother to read them to you past the top of the third one. But I will agree with you so you can have more fun playing Star Wars in the yard. Yes!!! Ron Paul is doing an AWESOME job! :yumdumdoodledum: He IS going to be the next U.S. president!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
From FOX news of all places!!!
Can you all start to hear the corporate greedy individuals grinding their teeth as they break under the public pressure, and feel themselves losing their grip over the less-fortunate peoples' lives? It's great...
I can feel it all the way from Japan...:chuckle:
FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!
WOOOOOOOOT 10 pages and nothing accomplished besides all of you thinking you are pwning the other!!!! YAYYYYYYYYY!@#@#(%U$
This post was just as contributional as all the others. Admit it.
I've just been wanting to find out more about him from Japan, without people chiming in with dis-information...and misrepresentations of what's actually going on...
When "he-who-shall-not-be-named" wouldn't stop, and I continually saw people that posted very informative links and research on him start to leave the conversation because of this individual...then...Yes...I made it personal...
Why would someone purposefully try and make a topic die, which obviously seems like his intent?
The topic doesn't say, "Bash Ron Paul, and lie about him..."
If he wants to continue doing that he needs to make a topic about that...if not...I'll continue to beat him into the ground with my own research until he concedes...
UM, do them a favor and just talk about Ron Paul. See what happens from there.
No, you have not praised Ron Paul's 1-5% in the polls or dedicated 75 entire posts to the subject of me. So you have accomplished nowhere near as much as those who follow me around this forum like lost puppies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
Yes, the other Republicans are scared shitless of Ron Paul. I already told you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
And stop being so tolerant.
Damn, I screwed up your request for information about how Ron Paul is doing by posting the statistics of dozens of major polls that actually answer to that issue with numbers. What was I thinking? What would you like now? Do you want me to tell you that Ron Paul is in the lead and Yoda is in second place?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGSMZxNPsM
Theres a link to the video of the post debate chat with ron paul. They talk about it a bit at the start and end of the interview, and if you watch the bottom of the screen it displays what everyone is at in the poll. Then again at the end it shows the final result. Ron Paul winning with 34%, giuliani came in third with only 11%.
Weird, it's true. The thing is that that type of poll is not scientific, so it is not representative. They teach about stuff like that in statistics classes. All of the scientific polls I posted show that he has 1-5% support. I think what probably happened is that lots of Democrats wanted to screw with Fox News and were far more determined to vote in that unscientific poll than the Guiliani and Romney supporters. They really wanted to throw Paul in the faces of the majority of the supporters of Giuliani and others. When you take away all of the confounding variables, whatever they may be, Paul is not above 5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
If Ron Paul gets the nomination over Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson, I will jump off a building with full belief that I can fly because I will know that I am dreaming. Paul is not going to end up with 34% while Guiliani has 11%. There is no way it is going to happen. He does not have enough support.
The thing is most of the polls turn out like that. You can even see hannity in the interview joking about how he always wins. Now I wouldn't say he has 3 times the supporters like the poll suggest but he obviously has support.
Do you think the many polls in my links are incorrect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Obviously most of the polls wrong because he jumps around on the extremes. For every one you post showing him below 5% I can find one showing him beating everyone else.
I would say there is a few reasons why. He has a big base, so you will get different results depending on if you do a general poll of everyone or if you do a poll on just republicans. His supporters are really motivated so they vote in every poll they see. Which is a good sign as they are all likely to vote in the election, while a lot of other people just sit back and just dont take the time to vote. Of course its not going to be the average persons opinion if the average person is to lazy to vote in the poll while all the ron paul supporters do. Then again you don't need the majority of the people but the majority of the people actually voting.
Now I don't know if he is going to win but I am fairly sure he is going to make it into the top three. I personally think if he gets that far, hes going to go all the way however.
Really? Can you post those?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
If Ron Paul becomes the president of the United States, I am going to become a Baptist preacher. You read it here.
Ahem!
Won CNN debate poll by 64%
Won ABCNews debate poll by 84%
Won a C-Span online GOP candidate poll by 69%
Won the MSNBC poll after first debates
Became "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo
Became the most mentioned person in blogs according to technorati.com
Has most youtube subscribers of all candidates.
And if anyone here says "What about Fox News" please look up the documentary "Outfoxed" on google videos.
Better freshen up on the Gospels, UM
OK, I'm breaking my rule against voting for a Republicrat just to increase the odds of seeing that happen. I mean if he runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
The primaries represent the ultimate political test of R. Paul's viability as a candidate, however. If the Republicans don't choose him to lead, those who are loyal to the party will not follow.
We shouldn't forget that the nomination is based upon who is most likely to win in the electoral college. In order to win the nomination, he must not only compete with the anointed candidates, but he must who that his campaign can win majorities in enough states to win.
Unfortunately, his grass-roots campaign is supported by a diverse group. In terms of political strategy, the Republicans think the liberal support he gets is a complete waste of campaign power, since they believe he has no chance of getting a majority in any of the Democratic strongholds. He may be a great national candidate, but his party's strategies(and thoughts) are based upon dividing the country almost in half. To seek wide support is viewed as a long-shot gamble, and the media reinforces this idea.
Even though I support Ron Paul, I think it's fair to say that his candidacy depends far more upon his popularity with Republicans than upon his popularity with the people at large, and this makes his chances for nomination slim, barring a major political catastrophe for the anointed front-runners.
They should bet the election on a national candidate. That's how I'll vote.
Better freshen up on what I said. I posted dozens of major polls. How many times do I need to clarify that? And those call in polls are not scientific. Do you think the many major polls in my links are false? If so, then say it. All you are proving is that liberals love to call in and affect call in polls and that the internet bloggers love Ron Paul, plus the fact that Paul is looke up a lot. I have looked him up more than any other candidate just because I wanted information on him so I could argue with his leftist supporters, and you know my opinion of him. Do you know what the difference between a scientific poll and an unscientific poll is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
This is really silly. Ron Paul is getting his ass absolutely whipped in the scientifc voting polls. He is not going to win the Republican nomination. He is not even going to come close. Sit back and watch what a psychic I am. Ronald Reagan has a better chance of winning the Republican nomination this time than Ron Paul has. He can't even get jack shit if he ends up running as an independent. But good luck to him. ;)
If Omnius Deus is right in his claim that Ron Paul is the big dog in this campaign at this point, you very well may see it happen. If he becomes the president, it's off to the seminary I go. I will even post my church's address so you can all come and see me preach the Gospel of Our Lord the King Jesus Christ Our Savior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
LMAO so basically the bloggers are conspiring to make him win. Okay, sure.
I'm not claiming the polls that dare include his name are innaccurate. I was just arguing tht he is popular despite that he has gone unnoticed by some.
But I don't see where you come up with "scientific voting polls" as a term. Your polls seem completely random to me like you picked out the ones that reflected him negatively.
No, I did not come up with the term. Take a statistics class and learn all about what a scientific poll is. A scientific poll is one that systematically maximizes the avoidance of all possible confounding variables. I provided links with very long lists of major polls that are scientific. They are not C-Span call in contest polls with numbers that result from a complete lack of regard for representative sampling principles and avoid other confoundings such as differences in will to call a show and affect numbers. Giuliani supporters don't freak out and go, "Like, oh my God! Let's get Rudy really high numbers on C-Span in the next five minutes!" They don't feel the need to prove themselves in that way. Paul supporters are obsessed with it. That is why the scientific polls show profoundly different results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
You mentioned that some polls do not include his name. That is because his numbers are so low he fits under the category "other". It's not like there is a 60% reading with the name "The Unmentioned Phantom Candidate" beside it.
But any way, Ron Paul is not going to be the next president. This is not something we are going to have to argue about forever. In a few days more than a year, we are going to see that he was not elected. We will see much sooner that he did not get the Republican nomination. He will not even make the top five. If he runs as an independent, he will not come close to winning. Just watch. The truth will very obvious. I feel silly even arguing about this. It is not even an issue.
lol do you think any republican besides Ron Paul could win in the general election?
I think Giuliani is the only person who would have a shot at it, and I am not even sure he would win. I am 99% convinced he is going to be the candidate. Hillary would easily beat any of the other candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Why would she beat any of the other candidates? Their platforms are very similar, after all. Why isn't John McCain as good as Giuliani? Or Huckabee, for that matter?
Giuliani is more popular. He is seen as a better leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Haha, no not really. He was the mayor of new york during the terrorist attack, and people think he even did a poor job at that. He is a sniving pandering moron that is for big buisness, just look at his background it has "conflict of interest" written all over it. Not to mention all his campaign money is made off of pulling people's emotion's over 9/11.
I know your opinion of him, but he does have the most support of all of the Republican candidates. The scientific poll numbers verify that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Why is Giuliani more popular than his rivals? That's what I was attempting to get at. Everyone knows that the most popular candidate is the most likely to win, but that isn't very useful in determining what makes one candidate superior to another.
Because he is riding on the coattails of 9/11 (IMHO). 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the far right, and (as far as the public is concerned) he was the "man on the ground," as it were.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Here is a perfect example of how the Radicons attack Ron Paul's positions. Ten points for every time you spot something ironic.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cch-yKaTyW4
Oh and in case you want to know what it is, It's Sean Hannity trying to take on Ron Paul supporters.
And here is another attempted attack on Ron Paul. The man arguing against him uses some other classic talking points Sean Hannity didn't include so I thought it was an important addition.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FDnkpTkNXtM
Why do pundits reach so far into the realm of ridiculousness in order to attack him?
The fact that every fox news debate goes out of their way to make him look bad is hillarious. It is like "Oh yeah people love him, but really, people don't"
Lets put it this way, if the planes that were supposed to hit the twin towers failed, nobody would give a SHIT about Rudy, at all. The only reason he is there is because he is profiteering off of 9/11 and that is fucking disgusting to me.
Now UM should see how I feel when people claim Ron Paul just says what he says to get attention.
I personally think Giuliani is there because he has mananged to raise the most money, just like Hillary Clinton.
Ron Paul is sincere as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
I wasn't condescending you, I was being honest. You're on the defensive edge :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
PS. I have a life, I can't be on the forum all day ranting and raving over silly things as if it makes a difference. That and I wanted to hear learn more about the other candidates since so far I haven't heard much about the democrats or third parties
You can't be condescending and honest at the same time? However, you were being dishonest, and I illustrated that. You were also being dishonest just then by saying this is not condescending...Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
You were also condescending in your last post too, although you are obviously in no legitimate position to be condescending. Plus, you did not counter the arguments I made about the post I called condescending. Conclusion: Your last two posts in this thread are nothing but condescending, evasive, defeated hot air. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
Now talk about the political issues, preferably starting with countarguments to my political points, if you actually have some intelligent points to make. I won't hold my breath.
sorry, but that was my honest opinion. I'm not here to make counter arguments with you. is there a point? :bowdown:
and several people here have already said things here about ron paul of which I agree with so I would just be repeating them. my sentiments are the opposite of yours, I would just about die if giuliani became president.
Obviously. Why do something like that when it is so much easier to just make unfounded personal insults against me and not back them up? Nice work. Thank you for contributing so much to this discussion. :goodjob2:Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
I dont mean to personally insult you, so I'm sorry. but they aren't 'unfounded', because that's what you do a lot. you twist words around, you've done it with me lots. someone says apple and you yell a them for saying orange.
you twisted ron pauls statements, and I find that dangerous in a political debate were understanding what a candidate is saying is essential. that and, I hate politics because I hate words getting twisted up to sway the public. if a candidate is talking about apples, yell at them for those apples. and not this orange.
Don't take him personally, its his nature to assume everyone that disagrees with him needs to be attacked rather than conversed with.
She attacked me, troll. Did you look in a mirror while you made that comment? You should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Why are you so determined to be a troll?
i wish i was amerian so I could vote for ron paul
Just pretend you did. The result will be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal8
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Yeah Guiliani is a thug. Hes being criminally investigated for wrongdoing on 9/11, foreknowledge, and destruction of evidence. He has no chance of winning the nomination. Hes a mayor of a city, and the Republicans are going to want to appeal to a wide audience, not their typical base (the moral majority) which Guiliani doesnt even appeal to anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
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Originally Posted by memeticverb
"No" chance. Very bold statement. We are going to get back to your statment soon so I can show you how convinced of things you get when you are wrong.
Why is Giuliani the best Republican candidate, though? Sure, he's the most popular among Republicans, but what is that based on? McCain has more foreign policy experience, after all, and has a more conservative social platform.
I've heard the "he's running on 9-11" explanation, but I'm sure you have a different idea, UM.
Mainly, he is the only Republican candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton. That alone gets him the nomination, most likely. That is so important to Republicans that they are willing to overlook that fact that he is pro-choice and pro-gun-control. His handling of 9/11 has a lot to do with his popularity, and so does his great ability to communicate, debate, and sound strong. McCain is seen as having a lot of good qualities and an impressive resume too, but he comes across as kind of a wuss when he speaks, and that makes him look vulnerable in a debate with Hillary Clinton. He lacks conviction and energy. I think the Republicans are tired of having candidates that suck at communicating. Bob Dole was a total pansie of a public communicator, and Bush has trouble getting through sentences. Republicans want a great communicator with conviction on top of what they see as the other necessary qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Exactly, no one actually wants to vote for him because of his policy. They want to vote for him because they think he can beat hillary. Now for Ron Paul people want to vote for him because they like his policy. I also know for a fact he would easily beat hillary in an election, though no one seems to give him much credit for that.
I was just talking about what gives him the advantage over the other candidates, whose policies are not that different from his generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Really? Then he needs to run as an independent. Seeing is believing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
How the heck can you know that as a fact? He makes too much sense and can't lie as well, and would probably not change his mind based on which way the wind was blowing, so I really don't think he has much of a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
I have other reasons for not liking him--he is known as one of the worst for animal rights voting record, and he is against abortion. But I assume he isn't for giving huge somes of money for research, which would probably do more for animal experimentation than actually changing laws, and they'll never outlaw abortion, because that would give up a big reason why a lot of people support the Republicans.
I could be wrong that the Repubs arent going to nominate someone with no chance of winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
But you are using circular reasoning. How can Giuliani have a chance of beating Hillary if there is another candidate who would steal more votes from her than Giulinai would?
And you just admitted that the only things that would make him more appealing are his left-leaning stances on abortion, etc- when its obvious to everyone that Giuliani is one of the most disliked Republican figures by the left. So who is he going to appeal to? Pro-abortion people who just happen to like Neo-cons? Hmmm...I wonder...what does the average Giuliani fan look like?
Moonbeam, you don't understand his policies at all.
He personally is against abortion and against a federal allowance on it, he also however isn't for a federal ban on it. He doesn't think it is the governments place (in washington) to makes decisions based on that. Also, I doubt he is for abusing animals, his voting record probably shows that it isn't the governments place to pass such laws. He is for restoring a balance in power to the way it should be, he is the only candidate running for the people of america, not special interest groups.
No, I didn't really know the specifics of that, just his personal opinion on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Well he may not be for it, but he voted against laws prohibiting it. If he thinks that the government doesn't exist to protect beings that can't protect themselves, I'd say I disagree with him there--that's one of the few things I think government exists for. But you are just speculating on why he voted against the laws, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Despite how I feel concerning the above, I'd probably still vote for him if he ran. His ideas on the war would have a lot more influence than his other ideas, I think.
He has a very large base, far larger than any of the other people running. Like memeticverb pointed out, Giuliani isn't going to get any left leaning voters to vote for him. Hes just going to polarize the election. Ron Paul on the other hand will get a lot of votes from democrates, thus stealing votes from hillary while also getting many of the third party votes and most of the republican votes.
As for abortion, his stance is very fair. He says let the states decide. Far to often the federal government tries to bully all the states around and its really not how this country was built. If some states want allow one thing, while the other states want to ban it, it is their right to do so. If you disagree you can move out of the state. Why is this country always trying to make it all or nothing? Some times people just disagree.
And who would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by memeticverb
No, that is not what I said. Read again.Quote:
Originally Posted by memeticverb
Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican nomination and no chance of beating Hillary Clinton as a Republican or an Independent. It is not going to happen. He will soon lose the Republican nomination. You can book my words on that. He has no chance of even making the top three. I don't even want to say that any more. Just watch what happens. After that, he should run as an Independent if he and his supporters think he can actually get somewhere. I don't think he will, but I would like to see him try. Do you think he will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Well, since right now it is a federal issue, it does matter. I am for state's rights in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Look at the graph...it speaks for itself... he has sooooo many more supporters than any of the other candidates... I'm already amazed and its still 10AM by that graph
I must say I have been quite skeptical of Ron Paul's chances, but his demonstration of fund-raising ability has been nothing short of impressive. This definitely puts him on the map and gives him a fighting chance in the primaries. Since he seems to use his money so efficiently, his millions may give him the ability to form a solid support base.
I think this reveals a fundamental advantage of him running as a candidate for the entire country and not just one party. He pulls support and money from both sides, doubling his potential pool of donors.
I'm reminded of a marketing principle: Never appeal to the conformists or the 'average' person. Appeal to the passionate, and they will promote you expertly without asking for money.
Two and a half million dollars so far just today? Thats some large numbers, and we still have a long time untill the day is over.
Well, whether he gets nominated or not, I'm glad a libertarian is making an impact, even if he has to do it as a Republican.
Some people are predicting the demise of the Republican part, being torn apart by the religious fundamentalists and the more libertarian wing. That wouldn't be a bad thing (as long as the libertarians win and the fundamentalists go back into their caves or wherever they come from.)
I hope more people will become aware of libertarian philosophy now.
woohoo...look at that graph go...3.5million and counting...
So, who thinks Ron Paul is going to run as an Independent if/when he does not get the Republican nomination? If he runs as an Independent, what is your prediction on how he will end up doing on election night?
It's still an entire year until the elections. I, for one, don't have a clue how well anyone will do.
Look at that. He raised 4 million dollars in a single day! Thats some serious cash to be raising. I still think he has a very real chance to winning this.
As for being an Independent. He already said he won't run as one, and I know he isn't going to.
I don't get that. I know he doesn't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of winning the Republican nomination, but he could do a lot better as an Independent. The people who support him are not Republicans, so I don't understand why he wouldn't run as an Independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Isn't it obvious? Our political system is dominated by a two party system. If you are not in one of the two parties, you dont get elected. Sure some local positions are some times won by third parties, but its rare on a federal level. And its pretty much impossible for the presidental election.
As for the people who support him not being republican, thats not true. Sure he has democrates and independents voting for him but also a lot of republicans. I know a lot of republicans who are going to vote for him. Infact I am one of them.
Ross Perot came pretty damn close in 1992. I really believed that if he had not gone cuckoo and dropped out of the race for a while before getting back in and accusing Bush, Sr. of threatening his daughter he would have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
The scientific polls say otherwise. I know he has a lot of support on the internet, but I don't think too many of those people are Republicans. I think he is going to get slammed in the Republican primaries, but I think he would at least show up siginificantly on the radar if he ran as an Independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Don't get me wrong. I don't want him to win. But the perseverence mentality in me strangely has me wanting to get the message out that he does not have to give up so fast. I don't think think he could win, but I do think he could do a lot to help his political status by going a long way. I would love to see Ron Paul work a high office that does not deal with foreign policy. I think he is great on everything outside of that area. He is also a really good communicator with a strong spark of charisma. I hope he is never the president, but I also think we could really use him in other areas. He would be excellent in a cabinet position.
He is going for the win though. If he takes the republican nomination most of the republicans will vote for him. Either because they like him, because a lot of people vote their party no matter what, or because they just want someone to beat the democrates. Either way he has a large base, so he will take a decent share of the democrates vote and will probably win the election. Instead of being split down the middle where each sides gets about 50%, Ron Paul would likely get 60-70% and I believe easily beat the other person.
Of course the major problem is getting the republican nomination. He needs to get that or hes going home with nothing. I wouldn't rule him out yet though. Hes really moving up, and by the time the voting gets here, I expect him to have even more support.
Muahaha, 4 million in one day...nearly broke the record...would you look at that?:cool:
It's amazing that the money came from an independently-organized group on the internet. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is shoveling money out of his own pocket to finance his campaign.
He wont, he has said it a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Bad move. He could really make himself known if he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Hes going to be spending all this money is he raising on getting the nomination. Thats how he is going to become known. Look at all the debates he is in. If he wasn't running as a republican he wouldn't be in any of them. As people start dropping out, he is just going to get more time and become more popular. Hes already in the top three for money. So hes not going to be dropping like many of the other people who are having a hard time competiting with him.
Everyone else is on the down, Ron Paul is rising. Just look what he did yesterday!
Yeah, but I believe that might be a double-edged sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
On one hand, he would be in his "own arena," so to speak, making himself better-known. But, on the other, there are too many polarized voters in this nation that vote "democrat or republican" just for the sake of voting their most coveted side of the spectrum. People that are hardcore Dems are (IMO) most likely to vote Dem, even if it's someone that is just "the best their party has to offer." Same goes for Reps.
By running as a true conservative, if he can raise the money to up his campaign (as he is clearly beginning to do), he has the chance of appealing to the massive republican base, which would give him more of a chance of winning than running as an independent. I think it's a great move. But then again, I don't know for sure. Just a guess.
I consider myself a harcore democrat, but Paul would have my vote, as would any green party candidate that had a chance of winning. Giving Paul the nomination is the only way Republicans could steal votes from the democrats. Is it just a coincidence that the polar opposite of Bush is running as a Republican...hmmm
One thing I don't like about him is that he is against sactions. He's all for trading at will with countries with any kind of agenda, human rights abuses, etc. I think not doing business with people is one of our countries greatest weapons as an alternative to war.
$$$ With regards to his money that was raised. $$$
It was raised in a day not in just one day.
If yaa know what I am saying? $$$
Do we still have an entire year left? :shock:
Well, maybe some countries would change their pace if we gave them something to emulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
You seem to think that since he is against certain things that means he is for the opposite. Such as since he vetoed animal rights bills, he is therefore going to go home and beat his dog.
He is against sanctions because he feels that trading and talking and being diplomatic will achieve more than holding back goods that the innocent people of those countries need, which was one of the reasons Osama Bin Laden gave for 9/11, the sanctions we placed on Iraq.
If our country actually was the richest and the free-est in the world then a lot of people would be more attracted to democracy.
Um, no I don't, I don't know how you determined that. I never said anything of the kind. Should I not judge him on his record, and whether I agree with the way he voted? That doesn't have anything to do with his personal life, which I know absolutely nothing about and wasn't even speculating on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
The man wants to change our currency to gold. That's never going to happen. Also, I agree with Moonbeam on him being against sanctions. I'd vote for Rudy Guiliani?, if the election was tomorrow, but theres still a whole year left so I'd say its too early to make any decisions yet.
Just out of curiosity, Universal Mind, what political party to you consider yourself affiliated with?
I side the most with Libertarians, but I don't vote for them in national elections any more because I disagree with them so much on foreign policy. They also have no hope of winning the presidency right now, but they would really get somewhere if they would start advertising more. I think their foreign policy ideas would probably make sense in a future when totalitarianism is not so prevalent in the world. Until then, I am going to disagree with their anti-intervention stances concerning other countries. Eventually, the Libertarian party might be a major party and might have the right kind of world for their foreign policy ideas. When that happens, I will be one of their biggest supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasenganxxchidori
Everyone always likes saying it's never going happen with Ron Paul. With attitudes and intentions out there like that, of course his chances for success will seem to dwindle. The worst thing someone can do is throw up their hands, consider all hope is lost, and concede defeat before the battle has even begun. Any candidate is only as powerful or as weak as the people believe them to be. Doesn't matter how many underhanded deals, bribes, and contributions they've received. If their monetary backed facade of power starts wearing thin in the public eye, they immediately lose their illusionary power.
Period.
I choose to believe...he actually has a chance. Otherwise, we might as well be bending over and taking the RFID chips in the ass, branding ourselves as cattle as we cast our ballots for the other candidates.
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Dude, I think you were aiming for this thread... http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=12857 It looks like you found it earlier and left a message that makes even less sense than that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
Nope, I hit this one right on the head. Ron Paul for Prez! Who cares if it's a wasted vote -- we ended up with a wasted president already, twice!
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:shock: What happened to the wasted Tornado Joe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
lol aI am cedrunk too lol ahhahahahahahaha shit.
Holy shit universal mind, you gotta quit sucking from the tit of george bush and you might be someone I agree with politically.
Oh yeah? Well you need to stop humping Usama Bin Laden's leg while blaring porno music. I know you love doing it, but you are making him too happy. Have you considered using a paper mache Usama?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
LOL - half an hour, 29 words - it's amazing what you can accomplish if you put your time into it!Quote:
What happened to the wasted Tornado Joe?
I apologize for my sensless injection in the thread - Don't drink and post, kids!
Now, I think at this point I'd consider myself a Ron Paul supporter - however - I'm only going on first few impressions. With the elections right around the corner, I should be taking more time to research the forerunners. I will say this, it's difficult to vote your conscious and not let frustration take over.
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Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
Well, we certainly know how to get under your skin. ;)
Around the corner!!! :shock:
I still say Obama should win....
So, what has the argument evolved into? Is America still considered the biggest shithole on earth?
Whats really getting Ron Paul a lot of ground is all his supporters really think he has a chance. Their all backing him 100% and believe he can do it. That and people want him to win. Hes not the best of the worst, hes just the best. No one is saying, "Oh he can beat hillary so I am voting for him." What kind of voting is that? The goal isn't to spite the other guy, but to put someone in place that you actually agree with.
As for Universal Mind, why do you place so much importance on one issue? Problems in our own country are far more important than stuff going on in the rest of the world. How can we help anyone if the dollar collapses and we go bankrupt as a nation? Ron Paul is the only person even speaking about the real issues that are killing this country. You know he is only elected for 4 years, and if he gets elected again then 8 years, thats it. Let him fix our monetary policies, and improved the standard of living here in the US. Once the budget is balance, and we pay off our insane debt, THEN we can try and help other countries.
Its like on air planes, they always warn you. Incase there is a suddenly loss of air pressure, always place your own oxygen mask on first, then help the person next to you. Here you are, running up and down the plane trying to help other people and you forget yourself. What happens? You pass out then die. You can only really help people after you help yourself.
Wait... are you saying that if we don't vote for Ron Paul, we're branded cattle?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
That sounds so incredibly ignorant I almost didn't want to type this.
Ron Paul will never win. It's really that simple. Voting for him is like voting for Nader. (I wonder if he is still around...) anyway, vote for Guliani. He is a somewhat moderate Republican whose ideas are not crazy and radical.
As much as I hate the Iraq war, I think pulling out of it before we're done would be a terrible choice.
Despite Giuliani's popularity within the Republican party, I think his chances of winning a national election are slim at best. He would be able to easily win the Republican base, but it would be very difficult for him to reach 51% of the public with his platform. He may be liberal on social issues, but voters still think the most important issue is the Iraq war. With 2/3 against the war, Giuliani would be in the difficult situation of explaining why most of the public has got it all wrong.
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Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming
Clinton voted for the war and has been all over the place on where she stands on withdrawal.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
That's true, but the electorate, according to the polls, seems more than willing to gloss over such a position, since it is held by a Democratic candidate. I hope that changes, but I'm not optimistic.
That is true. Democrats are not nearly as anti-war when a Democrat is in charge of it. I don't recall too many of them complaining about Bill Clinton's Operation Desert Fox in Iraq or how he blew up an aspirin factory in Sudan. Imagine what their reaction would have been if Bush had bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
On a side note, anyone who wants Ron Paul to win can just register republican and then go out and vote in the primaries. So even if you don't think he has a chance of winning with just republicans, democrates can even vote for him. Of course they cant vote in both primaries, but if you feel as strongly as a lot of ron paul supporters do, theres nothing stopping you.
Where did you get that 2/3 are against the war? I don't doubt it, but I would like to know where that source is.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
That was on CNN this morning. It's slightly more than 2/3s, at 65%.
The economy has passed the war as the most important issue. (source; flipping thru the channels.)
....I just saw that video. I live in a intense liberal bubble so I'ts hard for me to figure out what the rest of the country thinks. I'm not really surprised. I'll still stick by my vote though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
I have to agree with Moonbeam that the economy is a hot topic right now. If there's a recession, though, both parties can use worsening conditions to their advantage. The Republicans can argue that the economy only began to tumble after the Democrats won the House and Senate, and the Democrats can blame it on the war and the tax cuts. The Republicans can argue that economic turmoil is a great reason to elect a stronger executive, while the Democrats can use it to rally support for their reform agenda.
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Please elaborate why that statement sounds ignorant. He's been the only candidate to actually have the balls to stand up against the patriot acts, the national id card, and the illegally implemented federal reserve system and their self-imposed inflation tax, and income tax. All the other candidates on both sides are simply puppets in the federal reserve's back pockets. Pretending to have differing views on unimportant issues ever-so-slightly, when their ultimate goals are the same. Establishment of a New World Order, and a one world government. People are beginning to see through that veil, because of their lack of taking a firm stance on anything important. They seem more worried about their numbers and obfuscating the truth rather than actually taking a stance enough to make real changes to the real blunders that exist because of Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasenganxxchidori
The federal reserve has been using a simple rule of power which a large portion are just now starting to wake up to, with the availability and access to information on the internet. And, that rule is, Control the options: Get others to play the cards you deal. Such is the power of giving people a choice, or rather the illusion of one, for they are playing with cards you have dealt them. Give people options, allowing them to think they have a choice. When in actuality they fall right into a trap of your making. Most, if not all primary candidates of both the Democrats and the Republicans, are simply two sides of the same coin. Kerry and Bush both ADMIT they are in the same skull and bones secret society, and that doesn't even seem odd to most people. For people who are choosing between alternatives find it hard to believe they are being manipulated or deceived; they cannot see that you are allowing them a small amount of free will in exchange for a much more powerful imposition of your will. Simple rules of power...
How is what Ron Paul stands for a bad thing? He stands for upholding the constitution and freedom, and has taken a firm stance against the war and our now facist-like aggressive 'preemptive' foreign policies. The war was a mistake, and it's time we take responsibility for our mistakes instead of blindly choosing to ignore them any further.
You do actually realize we've been getting closer and closer to a communist and facist state than anything else, right?
Still don't think so?
Maybe it would actually help Ron Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Wait, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Are you trying to say that the only important issues are about some new world order conspiracy?
How are the issues differing in the political parties unimportant? Guliani wants pro choice abortion, most other rebulican canidates do not. Please tell me how a very important issue like this is unimportant.
The democrats are generally for pulling out of Iraq, while the hardcore republicans are generally for staying in. i. e. McCain. I'm also confused here how this is a slightly differing opionion and unimportant.
Dems generally gun control, while generally. republicans no control (with the exception of Guliani) I don't see how this is a slightly differing opinion. It's one way, or the other.
Ron Paul
- He wants to change our money to gold.... What the fuck. That's not going to work, even if he gets re-elected, and he has 8 years.
- I heard his foriegn policy is trading with any country... no matter what human rights violation has been commited
- He wants to pull out of Iraq. I hate the war, but pulling out now would make everything done pointless, and their government doesn't really work yet.
please excuse all of my typos I'm doing this in a rush.
You do know the US dollar was based on gold for a 100 years right? Also historically, gold as always been seen as money. Sorry but your showing your total lack of education, when you try to down play the seriousness of the issues.
The federal reserve, and how our money works is directly related to this issue. If we have a recession or a depression, its because of the governments mandate that everyone has to accept paper dollars which are not based on anything of real value. All of our inflation, is also based on what should probably be illegal money manipulation.
As for the new world order conspiracy, its not a conspiracy but actual fact. Everyone has heard of the european union, it a large governmental body that has much say over the countries of europe. Most people don't seem to notice what our government is currently doing, to create a north american union. This is all well known facts. There are many treaties and laws on the books, trying to merge our country with canada and mexico to form the north american union. Most have to do with trading, which is the same way the european union started out as. There are also plans to create a large highway from mexico to canada, which they are going to allow people to freely cross over from country to country.
Ever wonder why the government refuses to do anything about illegal immigrants? Its because with the new open boarder policies the government is trying to put into place, people will be able to freely travel throughout all of north america, without worry of country boarders. When this happens mexicans will be allowed to come and go as they please, so theres no reason to worry about kicking them out.
Ever look at what the UN does? They are always trying to impose their will on other countries. They have their own army. And they strongly want all countries to submit to an international court. They also want international laws to override countries own laws.
This is all very real, and well known facts. No offence but abortion rights are hardly a real issue compared to national sovereignty, and UN law overring our constitution. Its a very serious issue as other countries are not as free as we are, and we do not want them dictacting what we do on our own soil.
Luckily, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will ever actually do anything about abortion or guns, because they need those votes--if they get rid of those issues, they lose half of their supporters.
That's a very important problem in politics. The current political strategies guarantee a thin margin of victory. The fragility of political victories makes politicians extremely risk-averse, and they abandon solutions out of the fear that they will fail or be blamed for new problems if they succeed. Each party relies upon the president to take the blame for situations that they refuse to solve, and are more than willing to give the president enough authority to cover their own reluctance to act, and presidents are more than willing to oblige.
It does seem like presidents get blamed for all kinds of things that they have limited control over (like the economy). Of course, they promise all kinds of things they can't deliver, so maybe that's why.
I guess the president can take the blame because they're only going to be in office for a limited time no matter what, while the others have their whole career to think about.
Maybe term limits are a good idea after all.
Of course its a good idea. We don't need someone to be president for 10+ years like in some countries. I am fairly sure we would have a dictatorship by now, if it wasn't for that law.
I current monetary system allows the government to just create money when they need it. This causes inflation which is a tax. It's the governments way of saying "We don't have the current money from taxes to fund this, so we will just make more money." And what it does is drive the value of our dollar down, hence where we are at today. Our dollar is loosing on all fronts. The money you save is loosing value. And people laugh at the gold standard, because they like having money with no fixed value?
Front page news on the BBC today..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7092053.stm
Everything we do drives the value of the dollar down. If money had a fixed rate, and our government would stop going in debt, then they wouldn't be able to finance our huge military industrial complex and our wars. We pay to demolish the buildings in Iraq and then pay to rebuilt them. Not to mention all the wellfare we spend taxes on. Which is taking the money out of your pocket and giving it to someone else.
Ok, cool. If you pm me, I'll give you my Paypal account username, and I can take all of that worthless green paper off your hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Yes, I know we already have term limits for presidents, duh. I was talking about congressman, some of whom make a life time career out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
One term would be enough for president tho; that way they wouldn't waste so much time in the first on trying to get re-elected in the second. They could split the difference and make it 6 years.
Why do that? I can just take my worthless green paper and buy something of real value. Infact I actually own silver and gold. Just because everyone else is losing money on their dollars doesn't mean I have to. I just trade out of them. Anyone smart enough to transfer their dollars into foreign currencies or real hard assets, will be spared much when the dollar collapses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasenganxxchidori
Though I am sure you never even thought of either possiblities, which is why you made such a lame reply. Its unfortunate for you, since not only will you lose everything you own if the markets collapses, you will probably be one of the people begging the government to bail them out. Of course any educated person knows that when the government acts it always makes things worse.
They just print more and more money causing hyper inflation, then they try to fix prices. Both fail and you end up far worse than you even thought possible. I am sure you won't believe me though, its only history, and has only happened hundreds of times to other countries. Infact it even happened to this country, when we first started. Infact the founders of this country put it into the constitution that only gold and silver would be currency because they faced this exact problem. It totally blew up in their face then, and it will now as well. Or maybe you think the US will be the first country out of the thousands before us to overcome the limits of printing fake money?
Chill out.... Huge overreaction. People like you keep saying how the money is worthless now... then why buy things? You keep saying it's worthless. I'll take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
It really shows how little you know about me when you tell me what I have and have not done. About half of my money is in Euros. I found out this would be a really good idea to do when I went to Europe a few months back, and I realized how much their currency is going up compared to ours... Even the Euro is gaining a little bit, but our dollar is drastically sinking.
Yes, of course I think the US will be able to get out of printing fake money. I never went to school, so I'm not smart enough, as you keep telling me. I'm uneducated. You really know about me, much better than I do.
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Ok, so you're saying the government shouldn't act. Thus, no gov't. Anarchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Brilliant! Let's have no government! Thanks for informing me here too. Everyone knows anarchy is the best solution to any problem. You're right too, I'm sure our founding fathers were morons when they set up our branches of government. If only Alric had been around!
Money is worthless, which is why people buy thing which have value. Theres really no reason to save dollars when its value is dropping like a rock.
Talk about an overreaction. I never said we should have anarchy. What I want is free markets, that are not controlled by the government. Governments have proven themself to only make the markets worse when they mess around with the value of money. If you actually look how our country is set up, our government is doing stuff it isn't allowed to do. The federal reserve system is illegal by the consitution.
I am not saying our founding fathers are morons, I said they were smart and we should listen to them. You the one saying we should ignore their advice and warnings on paper money that has no value. They were all totally against it. Which is why for the first 100 years of our country our money was based on gold and silver.
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.... But true for the second part anyways. I'm glad a good percentage of my money is in Euros....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
I just don't see how the president [Ron Paul] can do this in four years.... I mean, we have a war to worry about. I do agree with you though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
I never said that.... This is a bit of a misunderstanding... I didn't really mean to say that basing money on gold is a bad idea, sorry about the confusion. I meant to say that I don't think he'll be able to do that, in four years. The war I imagine will take first presidence. Well, actually, Ron Paul is not really like any candidate I have seen before so I have no idea what he'll do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
The main reason I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul is he's for pulling out of Iraq.... unfortunately Bush fucked up Iraq so much we can't just pull out. We have to set up a working government for them.
The reasons I'd vote for Giulani is because he's a somewhat liberal Republican.... as in he has good views (for me at least) and he doesn't want to get out of Iraq as soon as possible. If not for his views on the war Ron Paul would be the next choice... I don't blame him, 2/3 of the country are against the war.
I'm not sure about the gold standard. It sounds good, but without eliminating fractional reserve banking, bank runs are inevitable. Fractional reserve banking, though, is the core of the banking system. I've probably got something wrong here, but this is what I've been thinking:
Without fractional reserve banking, the availability of loans would drastically decrease, since the banks could no longer use the money deposited in bank accounts. The availability of loans would decrease, and the economy would be severely bogged down and it would take years to recover.
Does that make sense at all, or is it a half-baked nightmare scenario?
Ron Paul is against all the wars, and having troops all around the world, and the amount of aid we send to countries all over the world. The fact is, we cant afford it. Like it or not, we just don't have the money. Our insane debt is proof of that.
That is right RD but theres a few things to take into account. That being most people can't pay back their debts as it is. Thats why so many americans are in debt, and why so many go bankrupt. Yes it would be harder to get a loan and the economy would slow down. In the long term it will become more stable however.
I don't know enough about economics to know. I always assumed the gold standard was a good thing (even I realize that printing money at will can't be good).Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Anyway, are there any other countries who still use some kind of standard, and how does it work for them?
And Alric--I think most people can't pay back their debts is because they are not smart about what they borrow.
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13,000 pledges (more than nov.5) and climbing...
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Mainstream media throwing another temper tantrum about Ron Paul's recent support :chuckle:
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Breakdown of funds raised for all candidates.
Considering Ron Paul is probably one of the only candidates who raised money through legitimate means, it's pretty impressive.
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Glen Beck is an idiot. It sounds like he wants to use the military for "enemies within", which are people who disagree with him. I hate how people like him call themselves libertarians.
hes a windbag.
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Watch Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism" for full exposure of what our country is up against - -
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This is a war of information.
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boy Am I glad i found this thread! My candidate is Dennis Kucinich. Ron paul would be great for president as well. Both men i feel, want to stop this false war. Kucinich also wants to impeach Cheney!
Anyway don't get upset by Universal Mind. In the Illuminati thread, he claims to be a part of it.
The Illuminati, for those who don't know Are the secret rganization keeping corrupt monetary systems in place. Their primary goal: World Domination where you have a One world government, A world police force which brutalise the population if they step out of line, a microchip society where everyone is monitored by computers, and last but not least Concentration Camps where people like me who aren't susceptible for mind control are sent to be slaughtered and/or tested on.
Don't believe me? 911 was set up so George w Bush, could pass a law wherin International law VETOs US law. This law states That if you are suspected of being a terrorist. the police can search your home and take you without warrant, or being told why you are being held. Thy can hold you indefinately with no trial or lawyer, even excecute you!. This sounds a bit familiar.... kind of like Nazi Germany! which BTW Prescott Bush (granpa of our beloved george Dubya) Helped Fund hitler. If you don't believe me i seriously suggest you do your own research, the FACTS out there!
Candidates like Clinton and Guliani all have ties to these Illuminati in one form or another.
It is candidates like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich who want to End this corruption and this truth embargo. But, alas it makes your heart sink. UM is right when he says they will never be president. The presidents are no longer selected by democracy but are rather selected by the people who Own the 5 major media outlets, The Bilderburg corp. Every recent president who was in power within the last couple decades Attended their meeting just before an election. This includes goerge bush and Bill Clinton. Our whole vision of democracy is being chipped away bit by bit. People are so concrened with their 9-5 jobs, getting children to school, Beer and the superbowl, or drug addiction, or gang violence, that people are not aware of the FACTS that their freedoms being taken away one by one.
And by the time the general population wakes up to this harsh reality it will be too late.
While all those statements of the facts are true, your opinion on those facts is too bleak an outlook. If you concede defeat before it's even over, they've already succeeded in beating you. They have no more power over the people than that which you give them by submitting.
It ain't over until the fat lady sings.
Unfortunately, I agree with you, Ranma. All people care about is their own immediate gratification, buying a bunch of crap, having an SUV plus cheap gas to put into it, and sports.
Ron Paul is going to have a big mass donation day on December 16, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.
The 16th is a bit late, unfortunately. Advertising money must be spent well in advance of the primaries to bolster support before they occur. Advertising after the primaries is effective only if he is nominated.
Ron Paul needs to win some early primaries in order to get his foot in the door. Doing so would give him legitimacy and help secure further victories. Not doing so would likely doom his campaign.
Oh. Hopefully he will.
A little off-topic--isn't it stupid how the candidates just slam the other members of their party? It seems like that just makes them all look bad, all that fighting and name-calling before they are elected.
Why doesn't each party pick their own person privately? That would be a better way to do it. Spend their own money instead of the tax-payers for the primaries.
Also, let more parties participate, of course.
Well this past weekend I saw the first sign of a following in my town - I was approached by this gentleman while in my car at the grocery store and he asked if I was was familiar with Ron Paul. I said "Oh, absolutely! Is he coming to town?", as he handed me a Ron Paul fact card. I gotta say, the expression on his face was probably more of surprise than content - lol.
It wasn't until after I pulled away that I thought I probably should have asked where the local supporters are and if they needed any volunteers. Ah well, let's see if he gets that $12 million before end of year.
Heh, yah well I'm from Ohio so unfortunately around here he seems to come across as a bit of the local idiot. But whatever, anyone who can hold their own up against some of those big guns is worth some consideration.Quote:
boy Am I glad i found this thread! My candidate is Dennis Kucinich.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Ron Paul - Everywhere in New Hampshire
Ron Paul signs everywhere in Wisconsin city -- Aired on CNN
CNBC - Traders Cheering on Ron Paul
Ron Paul - far exceeding expectations - ABC News - 11/18
Fox Business Channel - Ron Paul's Internet Success - Part 1
Fox Business Channel - Ron Paul's Internet Success - Part 2
Ron Paul on the Alex Jones Show 11/21/07 Pt. 1/3;2/3; 3/3
Hillary, Romney et al could spend all they want on the internet and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.
It's like trying to draw Excalibur from the stone. If you have integrity, trust and the right message, it will slide right out.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1fOt6UGROi8Quote:
Originally Posted by Tornado Joe
he seems pretty smart to me!
So did anyone watch the YouTube Republican debate? I didn't catch it, but from what I've heard and the clips I've seen, Ronnie did alright. In fact, CNN had a poll you could take on their site and apparently Ron Paul kicked ass! Which is weird, because I heard he didn't have much airtime.
Heh did very well. The crowd was rather mixed on his views about the war in Iraq (which could only be expected), but he did great on every issue, overall.
Seriously, he wins on every poll. He didn't get a fair amount of time but the time he did get he did really good in. I didn't catch the entire thing though.
Is it true Ron Paul is against gay marraige?
I saw the debate, and must say it start off pretty biased with most of the questions going to mainstream candidates throughout much of the entire debate. Not to mention, that weird question about the NY yankees going to Guiliani at the end. It just goes to show who spent the most money to bend the network in their favor. :rolleyes:
Later on in the debate Ron Paul started getting more attention and you can tell by the mixed reaction of the crowd they had stacked the audience with other candidate's supporters booing just for the sake of booing even though Ron Paul stated facts and pretty much made all the other candidates look like flip-flopping fools. Oh, I enjoyed how they actually chose a question that mentioned the North American Union, and he was able to bring things to light and put to rest the doubts of it being only a conspiracy theory. PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP!!! ;)
I also found it pretty funny how they like asking Ron Paul if he will think about switching to independent, just when his campaign is starting to take off. Everyone knows that independent spells doom for the campaign in our biased two-party system. It's like they think if they say it enough times it'll happen. Can we say, scared much? :lol:
(CNN YouTube Debate related)
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Most Startling Admission in the CNN YouTube Debate
CNN polls show people want RON PAUL to lead rEVOLution
Ron Paul talks to CNNs John Roberts after debate
(Other)
Ron Paul : House of Cards
Glenn Beck on Ron Paul - Disinfo again.
Fox and Friends Interview Ron Paul 11-28-2007
Ron Paul has jumped up to 10.5million raised... just wait until Dec. 16th. :chuckle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ns_of_Ron_PaulQuote:
Originally Posted by Grod
There are a lot of things that I disagree with Ron Paul about.
However, he doesn't seem to be pure evil (our current administration), the ultimate slimy politician (the Clintons), a frigging scary fundamentalist (Romney), a power-hungry liar (Guliani), a dim-wit actor (Thompson), a huge hypocrite (Edwards), what's Obama...oh yea he has a Muslim name that rhymes with Osama, so he's unelectable, etc. etc.
I think this is a strategic move in not commiting to an answer at this point. It's pretty logical; would you rather run a race against two oponents or one? If he would (by miracle, but you never know) win the Republican nomination, his only oponent is the Democratic candidate. If he runs as independent, he must run against both the Republican AND Democrat candidate. I like it, he comes off as a 'nice guy' but he's no idiot - he's as tactical as the others.Quote:
I also found it pretty funny how they like asking Ron Paul if he will think about switching to independent, just when his campaign is starting to take off. Everyone knows that independent spells doom for the campaign in our biased two-party system. It's like they think if they say it enough times it'll happen. Can we say, scared much?
That idiot that asked him the question then said he was "dissapointed" with the answer is a fucking fool.
How to create an Angry American
I found this one pretty funny...
Ron Paul: OH NO YOU DIDN'T !
in other news...
Paul Wins Virginia Straw Poll
Ron Paul vanquished the competition in the annual Virginia GOP retreat straw poll by collecting 182 votes (38%). Despite having former senator George Allen and current Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonald speaking on his behalf, Fred Thompson managed only 112 votes (23%). While Mike Huckabee, who was represented by his wife, finished a distant third with 51 votes (11%).
Several long-time Republican leaders including conservative icon Morton Blackwell complemented the Paul campaign on their strong organization and mobilization efforts, according to Ron Paul National Field Director Dennis Fusaro, who spoke on Dr. Paul's behalf at the event. Fusaro went on to say that, while this reflects the organizational strength of the Paul campaign around the country, it is essential that Virginia Ron Paul Republicans replicate this turn-out on a county-by-county basis at next year's mass meetings. Fusaro went on to congratulation the grassroots for, once again, coming out to support Dr. Paul in an unprecedented manner.
Virginia GOP Retreat Straw Poll Results:
Ron Paul 182 (38%)
Fred Thompson 112 (23%)
Mike Huckabee 51 (11%)
Rudy Guiliani 45 (9%)
Mitt Romney 43 (9%)
John McCain 23 (5%)
Duncan Hunter 19 (4%)
Tom Tancredo 4 (<1%)
One last post in before the www.teaparty07.com launches tomorrow. So far, there are already 31,278 pledges at 4:43 pm, with him already within 500K of his goal of $12 million.
$11.5 million raised so far. Hell yeah. Keep it coming.
Recent Straw Poll Corruption Links
Ron Paul Straw Poll Corruption
Mitt Romney Buys Election in Florida Straw Poll
Romney buys FL straw poll - Ron Paul clearly wins!
Iowa Debate 12/12/07 Related Links
Ron Paul at the Iowa debate 12/12/07
Ron Paul after 12-12-07 Debate
Hannity & Colmes report Ron Paul 3rd in IA poll 12/07/2007
Notice how they put "it's not a scientific poll" in big bold letters when Ron Paul does well but rub other unscientific polls in his face if he doesn't win. Just check out how lame those live graphs are during the debate. Blitzer makes sure to bring up the graphs to Ron Paul even though most likely the 21 people voting consisted of a bunch of planted neo-cons. Notice how many times he inquires into his chances of running as third party candidate? Why do they continue to say that when his campaign is just starting up? It's ridiculous how hard mass-media is trying to sway votes and spread propagandized lies. CNN and pretty much all major TV news outlets are trash. That is why their ratings consistently fall and why they lose viewers everywhere. This is just another example. Also, why is the candidate with the LEAST amount of money raised pushed ahead as leader?
It's high time we took our country back. Get the popcorn and fireworks ready for tomorrow folks. ;)
Just in case you disagree or forgot about the dire times we live in...
U.S. Congressman: "Federal Reserve Notes are Counterfeit"
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im not really suprised how non intelligent some people are.... promoting guiliani and all those peeps that want more war.
IF you watch this video, please get some popcorn... Guiliani is exposed as a rat in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYE...eature=related
I thought all parties can participate. It's just other parties don't get nearly as much support as dems and republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
No, they system is rigged against third parties. For example, they have to collect huge numbers of signatures to even get on the ballot, in every state, they are not allowed to participate in the debates, they don't have tax-payer supported primaries to pick their candidate, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grod
Thanks. I'm going to find more about this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
LIVE GRAPH OF TODAY'S DONATIONS!!!
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Donate Today! Dec.16th Ron Paul on Mad Money w/ Cramer 12-14-07
Thanks for reminding me.
If you donate $5,000 you can ride in his blimp:
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Closing in on 6 million and climbing!!!
Dec 16th Ron Paul donation day coverage on CNN
RON PAUL CNN TEA PARTY MONEY BOMB REPORT
Why Ron Paul Needs Our Donations NOW
Ron Paul VS Tyranny
Ron Paul : Hero of the Day
International support!!
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It's funny when you look back on the first few pages of this thread back in July, and how many people so arrogantly said Ron Paul had little to no chance of winning, and how Giuliani was guaranteed the nomination. Where's Giuliani in the polls now? Oh my... how the tide has turned.:chuckle:
Giuliani: "The Ron Paul people are all over the country"
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It looked like he made Bernanke start crying.
Would you look at that... OVER 6 MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE DAY!?!? BREAKING ALL PREVIOUS RECORDS (Kerry with 5.7 mill)!!!
Remember this little POS from back in July?
Clip of George Stephanopoulos Rudely Dismissing Ron Paul to His Face. (Full version)
I bet Stephanopoulos isn't feeling so confident right about now. What a stupid arrogant little prick... hopefully today wiped that arrogant and ugly smirk off his sad face.:chuckle:
Huge fund-raisers provide equally huge amounts of free publicity. Ron Paul has definitely set the record for the most efficiently-run campaign.
The primaries are so close now. Exciting, but scary, like putting all your money on the fastest horse in the race. You know he can win. He's the best choice. Yet, the finish line is only a few laps away. Will he make it?
Newlyweds: The CNN+Fox News Story - December 16th -Ron Paul
Government is Big Business
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This success for Ron Paul couldn't have come at a better time, right on the heels of Mitt Romney having a flip-flopping fiasco of an interview on the very same day with Meet the Press. I must admit, I didn't know what Mitt was about before today but could smell the stench of lies a country away. Not to mention, his pro-war and pro-NID card stances suck ass to begin with. It's actually quite entertaining to watch him pathologically lie his way out of one web of lies he tangled himself up in, and right into another one. A spider stuck in it's own web... how pathetic. I hope he chokes on those dirty millions he wasted on that pathetic excuse for a campaign of his.
Check out Mitt Romney on Meet the Press 12/16/07 - Part (1 of 5); (2 of 5); (3 of 5); (4 of 5); (5 of 5) LOLZ...watch the tool squirm :chuckle:
Mass media Tea Party Coverage so far...
Ron Paul breaks fundraising record and gets 15 second blip!
Look how they twist the story:
"ron paul says he raised..."
"record for the congressman"
"supporters are generous"
Also, they forgot to mention the total is over 18 million. Only 1 million shy of Obama's Q3 record, and likely to outdo many Republican "front-runners"
Ron Paul: $6Mil pull reported on Fox And Friends (12/17/07)
Wow!!!! A whole 10 seconds!!!!!
Austin Tea Party for Ron Paul (FOX coverage)
Wait. What about the money being raised? That's odd...
Morning Joe on MSNBC mentions Tea Party Ron Paul Success briefly, as expected.
News you can't use? OMG RLY? HUH 5.2MIL?? I thought it was over 6?? That's odd... the media mis-reporting facts!? I'm shocked and appalled. Ron Pauled that is. ;)
With the corrupt corporate interests and biased mass-media's misrepresentations and attempts to silence him being continually thwarted at every turn, it's getting more likely they might try and implement other methods of 'silencing' him. I don't know but it might be something to think about
Oh, and in other news, when you vote in the primaries insist on paper ballots in your voting area
I found it galling that he referred to the idea of inalienable rights as something guaranteed by a creator, but not the government or the constitution. The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to enumerate some of those inalienable rights and enshrine them the inviolable core of the government. As the constitution states, The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The people cannot retain rights that the government does not give them, unless those rights are inherently vested in the people, whether they ultimately come from a creator or not. The government cannot take away rights that the people have reserved to themselves, just as it cannot claim authority which the people do not give.
While simultaneously claiming a position based upon the founding fathers', he dismisses the foundation of their thinking. His position would most likely be echoed by the rest of the GOP crowd, except for Ron Paul. As usual.
Heh, you having fun Sol? :chuckle: I can tell you're loving this - me too! Just getting dizzy with all these links you're layin' down! :boggle:
I noticed a Ron Paul group in my city on meetup.com - I wanted to join them this Sunday at the football game, but I was tailgating with my friends and we got slammed with a bit of a blizzard. I'm not even sure if the group showed up like they said they would, but I hope they did.
I was excited to see this morning that he passed the $12 million goal (which I predicted by end of this month anyway).
One thing to be careful of though, Sky - he definitely brought forth the attention to everyone as to the power of the internet. So, now we must keep an eye on how those big corporations/government/media empires will try and control it so that this type of thing (an honest, non-corrupt, un-manipulatable candidate) won't have a chance again.
Where did universal go? You still saying Ron Paul is a joke and has no chance at all? 6 million dollars in one day. Breaking all the records. I know on tv his polls show him at 5% and on the internet his polls are always beating everyone. Which one is closer to the truth? I don't know but with him raising more money than everyone else, the joke is saying he doesn't stand a chance.
Finally, some real coverage...
CNN Cafferty Ron Paul polling question/answers - 12/17/2007
Why isn't Ron Paul higher in the polls? Could it be because you guys conduct the polls. NAAWWW the media can't possibly have special interests or be biased, right? ;)
Ron Paul on CNN Situation Room December 17, 2007
Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show. 12-17-07
Ron Paul's FOXNEWS coverage from 5am - 1pm PT on Dec 17, '07
"Money Bomb" Monday Morning News
Quick question. Why in the hell is Huckabee, with the least amount of money raised, starting to rise in the polls? Is it because he has a lame ad with Chuck Norris, because I just don't get it? His naive black and white religious views have him living in the la-la land of absolutes with pro-war stances that make him seem too similar to good ol' war mongering g.w. to make me even the slightest bit interested in him. Anyone that continually mentions god in their speeches and pleas to be president should automatically raise eyebrows. ESPECIALLY, after the George Bush fiasco.
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Where did universal go?
He's probably having a merry Christmas.:D
It's not hard to be a nay-sayer for an underdog. It takes balls to wage a bet and take a chance on something good when you see it.
I remember UM and Half/Dreaming were so sure of Guilani being the nominee. Now look at Guiliani...What a joke of a campaign it's become. Just like Mitt Romney having to pump his own funds into his laughable flip-flopping campaign . Right now, it looks like it'll now be between, Paul and Huckabee. Although, I have no clue how Huckabee gained people's interests with so little financial support and the shitty views he holds. I can only think that mindless christian drones with no real opinion backed him after hearing his first ramblings about god. :rolleyes:
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Although, I have no clue how Huckabee gained people's interests with so little financial support and the shitty views he holds. I can only think that mindless christian drones with no real opinion backed him after hearing his first ramblings about god.
I forgot what it's called, but there's a term for it - it's along the lines of 'conformaty', but not quite. People will usually act according to other large groups (or masses) behavior. Studies where done where a person would show signs of distress, everyone would think about helping, but because "no one else tried to help", they just observed.Quote:
Why isn't Ron Paul higher in the polls? Could it be because you guys conduct the polls. NAAWWW the media can't possibly have special interests or be biased, right?
Same principle here, if enough people think that Huckabee is getting support from masses, then those (weak-minded) people will simply conform and follow suit.
I know it's being manipulated by the media I just don't know why people don't sit there and question it. I would expect nothing less than people to question, "Hey.... he only raised a little over a million this quarter how could he be at the top?"
Glenn Beck actually behaves himself for a change. I'm surprised. :o
Ron Paul Interviewed By Glenn Beck on CNN 12-18-07 (1/7); (2/7); (3/7); (4/7); (5/7); (6/7); (7/7)
Check out what's the ticker at around 2:15 on part 1/7 -- "PAUL IS DEAD, PAUL IS DEAD, PAUL IS DEAD". And just before that Huckabee is referring to that being part of a subliminal message. This displays while Ron Paul is speaking.
This is not funny at all, given that Daniel Estulin reported that via his Bilderberg contacts he found out that there has been talk among the powerful elite of "removing" Ron Paul.
Well, you know what I think it is, Sol, it's that we're not actually a nation of idiots - instead we are essentially lazy. We are (in general) a people who enjoy our $1 menu at McDonald's, Starbucks Frappaccino's, and lame-ass reality programming - so we'd rather just sit and chill and believe everything's allright as long as we're comfortable. Meanwhile, the large corporations and government knows this and tries to keep us 'content'. When they do something that pisses us off, we simply figure "eh, nothing I can do, I'm just one citizen - can't fight an entire corporation". Like the old song goes, "I fought the law, and the law won...".
I think this "revolution" is starting to unite these people who felt helpless by themselves. Now this candidate gives them something to get behind. It's just a matter of enough people joining up by next November.
What is the difference?Quote:
Sol, it's that we're not actually a nation of idiots - instead we are essentially lazy.
Common Sense
Something interesting I stumbled on today...
Individualism vs Collectivism
# INTRO
# P1. The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
# P2. Group Supremacy
# P3. Coercion vs Freedom
# P4. Equality and Inequality under the Law
# P5. Proper Role of Government
Heh, good point. I guess an idiot would just stumble around endlessly without any clear direction. An lazy person has the intelligence to accomplish something, he/she merely needs the motivation to get their arse off the couch.Quote:
What is the difference?
This is priceless: full article here
Paul keeps white supremacist donation
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday....
...."Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money,"
Can't wait to see how they'll spin this. I think he'll be on Meet the Press this Sunday.
BUHBYE HORSE FACE!!!
Time Magazine: Is Giuliani Facing Free Fall? P.....W.....N.....E.....D!!!!:chuckle:
Rudy Guiliani owned in St. Louis by Ron Paul Supporters The thumbs up at the end was classic...LOLZ!!!
FAUX SSSSSSSPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN ZONE!!!
Ron Paul Interviewed By Neil Cavuto's Smear Campaign12-19-07 They call him on to address Huckabee's ad, and address the beliefs of one of his donations? Say, wha!?
Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.1of2) 12-18-07"Congrats on the fundraising! We'll talk about your money in a second but first let's talk about HUCKABEE!!!" OMG RLY!?! LOLZ!
Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.2of2) 12-18-07One word response ROTFL!!!? GOOD... BAD! HOT...COLD! YES... NO! GHEY!....SUPER GHEY! DUHHHHHHHH!
Does anyone actually watch FOX news and take it seriously anymore, or is it more like pro-wrestling where you watch for the blatantly fake over-rehearsed over-exaggeration for the entertainment factor? If it's the latter at least I can kind of understand.