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We are the most capitalistic country in the world. You talk like we are the most socialistic. Our financial freedom has not been enough to set a strong enough example to take down truly oppressive governments, which created a state of life far worse than merely what you described.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Our capitalistic economic standard is responsible for much of the third world poverty. International corporations and our banks result in much of the oppression and debt around the world.
I am a little confused as to what you exactly mean by the point I made, and I am not sure if you even addressed my point to be exact.
You talked about our oppressive tax measures, when our lack of tax oppression is what allows us to be so successful. It is also what allows us to be so prosperous that we can have relatively low tax percentages and generate enough income to put more money into the government than otherwise, which allows us to give more money in foreign aid to third world countries than anybody else. The third world countries are the way they are because they are so far from having our type of system.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Most of the people in Iraq do not not feel the way you described. They don't like the temporary occupation, but it is the brainwashed Islamofascists who think we are doing the work of Satan and want to kill us.
I said nothing of extremist and only of people not wanting our occupation of their country, which fuels the extremists agenda.
That was the point I was making with more people liking Osama Bin Laden than their own leader. You see, making a point with facts instead of just something like "The people think this way."
And look into the world bank, then say we help the third world (western society in general)
Oh, that's right. I haven't used any facts. Thank you for your intense commitment to honesty. And please keep insulting me personally so I won't feel the need to do it back. It really helps your arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
We give more in foreign aid than any other country. If you want to dispute that, I will go fetch a bunch of very credible links on that. Almanacs, encycllpedias, and many other sources will help you understand that it is a fact.
You did just mention the extremist agenda, which is the big problem. I know that Islamofascists love Usama Bin Laden. People who have such potential and have the potential of dying in the name of his sick mentality against the creation and preservation of democracy and other understandable things need to be sucked out of the woodwork and killed. I am glad we are doing that. The factor you mention is small compared to the many factors I am mentioning. It's not like wonderful, warm, fuzzy people in the Middle East said, "La la la, I'm so happy, and life is so terrific! I think I will go out and be good all day. Oh no! The United States is spreading that freedom stuff again! I think I will go blow up a mall full of innocents!" The people we are killing who would not have done shit if we had not invaded are people who had it in them to do terrorist stuff without justification. They could have easily found some other excuse later. We want to lure that type of creature out and and kill them in gigantic numbers. It is working, and it is worth it, especially considering all of the other enormous reasons we invaded.
Thanks for taking the baton after I told um he was too ignorant of world affairs to debate me, jaasum. Though his opinions will never change you've definitely set a very convincing argument for all who are undecided about Ron Paul. Um has used pretty much all the worthless mass media talking points against Paul and you've elegantly countered them so well I doubt anyone who reads through this thread could vote for anyone else.
Allright! More SolSkye style nondebate! It is so convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Maybe we should send Jaasum's arguments to the Ron Paul camp so they can read them on the air, and then Ron Paul will win the election. You really are in touch with reality. Thank you for proving it.
Okay, I'm done. And not that doesn't mean you have defeated me, I agree with Omnius and you proved everything I have said about the way you debate with the above post. This is childish to keep talking to you about this. Anyone else care to discuss other points about Ron Paul?
It is majorly sick of you to throw false accusations at people like that. I have been very on point and inviting of your responses. You are just making terrible shit up, and you seem to have a really bad habit of doing that. It is really unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Yea, everyone is making shit up, out to get you, narcissistic, and flat-out wrong...everyone except you, that is. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:
You don't honestly believe that, do you?
(Anyone else see how steps 2-5 have repeated themselves, YET AGAIN? LOL :chuckle:)
Make sure you don't discuss the issues. You might get yourself in a hole you can't get out of once again. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
That's just it, I never got myself into one. Just like all the other people pulling out of your vacuous bile, everyone just sees the futility in arguing with a close-minded tool such as yourself. It's unfortunate really, because you have ruined many good threads with page after page of repetition of your hollow opinion disregarding all evidence presented and not presenting any yourself.
Sure, you can paint us the bad guys, but as the walls close in around you and you find yourself without any sympathy, it'd be wise to start to rethink your way of thinking. :cool:
I just wanted to say that Bill O'Reilly really pissed me off a few weeks ago when he attacked an open forum on a news website for what members said. He even attacked its sponsor, Jet Blue.
I guess that was a little late but I don't care.
Oh, it is me vs. all left wing Bush haters. That must mean you're political arguments are right. Wait... You stopped making political arguments. I know why that really is. ;-) Just make sure you Keep on lying for my entertainment value. It makes you look desperate and pathetic. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Nah, we've all just been debating in the realm of factual evidence as opposed to your unfounded anecdotal opinions. You might want to consider trying it sometime.
Me, desperate? For what exactly? The approval of flippant internet personas coming from angry ill-informed retards, such as yourself? Pfft. Give me a break. By all means, keep telling yourself whatever pep talk necessary to keep you from slitting your sad little wrists out from under that rock in your little backwater town.
Since it applies to you, I will post here what I said in another thread just a minute ago...
You babies are in such denial. It is not circular logic I use. It is logic that stumps you. You get stumped and have no retort, so you make up this crap about how I am impossible to talk to and use circular logic and all kinds of other garbage you know is ridiculous to say. If you would just counter my points, you would see just how smooth these conversations can be. But you can't do that, so you act like a baby. If you don't want your topics analyzed, don't make threads and posts about them. I have seen a whole thunderstorm of ridiculous whining today from people who have run out of arguments. It's sad.
To answer your question, SolSkye, you are desperate to hit me with what weak fluff you have left in you to come at me with, although we both know you are lying when you do it. It's funny how you keep asserting that you have facts and logic on your side and I don't, yet you have not even dared to attempt to show that in weeks. All you do is assert that you are right. I actually argue my side. You don't. We both know why that is. Go to your equipment room and pretend you are musician instead of doing this. You are accomplishing nothing but making me laugh at how you got burned in our debates and are very frustrated over it. Why do you want to keep making a spectacle of that? What is your excuse for continuing to post? (This should be interesting.)
It's actually quite simple why I stepped out of the debates. I, like so many others on here, quickly lost interest in your circular anecdotal style, and found the other things in my actual life more engaging than these half-assed pseudo debates with you. You act as if our ability to take action on this forum is some pathetic determining factor of our connection to reality, or an admittance of validity to our claims. Well that's kind of right. It does act as a guage of sorts, but not quite in the way you see it.
It's more like, it shows how disconnected we are from our reality. Having you stick around these past few weeks where I withdrew, was a perfect example. Let me explain; While I was out planning and playing events, being productive, making music, and socializing in the land of the real... Where were you, and what were you doing? :cry: Exactly. The time you spend in here inevitably shows the level of your abhoration for, and disconnection from your real life situation. It sadly succeeds in showing your lack of motivation to better yourself in real definable terms. Hence, the necessity for you to constantly espouse your anecdotal opinion in these half-assed circular debates. You sadly don't have anything better to do with yourself, do you? No? That's OK, though. Everyone has their moments of boredom, myself included, which is exactly why I came back to explain the WHY behind my absence. Tsk, Tsk. You aren't still taking things on here seriously, are you? :D
What can I say, other than, I had a free moment so I came back to check up on these threads after taking a long absence to show you how much I don't care. In the process, I just happened to see how many times you had repeated yourself over and over again, and wondered what you actually got out of doing that. It's been about a month or so, hasn't it? Don't you ever grow tired of repeating yourself, and seeing people grow tired of you...or is this some sort of sick inside joke with yourself? I guess not. But hey, by all means, continue thinking your method has it's merits. Escape the monotony of your life, by creating more monotony. Whatever helps dull the pain. ;)
And, occasionally, when I make the time I'll come by and check up on how badly you've made the conversations spiral out of control. Peace. :P
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SolSkye, people who can't win an argument do get tired of it. You are an excellent example of that. You can't debate me, so you make up stuff about me like the hilarious ideas that I am here all day every day and that you are more successful than I am. The only argument style you know is the use of the ad hominem fallacy, which is one of the main academic terms concerning an illogical reaction to debate points. Thank you for continuing to squirm for my laughter as your dishonesty and cowardice live on. I don't think anybody has ever had as much of a pissed off reaction to losing debates to me as you have. ;-)
No, Um, we get tired of you because YOU can't debate. We rebuke your points and you just say some ridiculous, ignorant crap and we just drop our jaws in wonder that anyone could actually believe that nonsense.
Or refutes are met with "why are you making up stuff I said?"
That is a lie, and we both know it. What a shitty thing to say when you don't even agree with it. Now that you bring it up and want to stick your neck out with such a terrible insult, I think you are very poor at debate. I almost feel sorry for you over it. At least I have had enough class not to say that to you, until now, since you have been such a jackass with that empty insult of distraction. If you would just debate me without these preposterous interruptions, you would have to really face how dishonest you have been in making comments like that. You are wasting your time with comments like that, unless you are fooling yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
If you really want to get personal, I can tell you in a PM what I have already diagnosed you with and hit the nail pretty close to the head with what your relationship with your parents has been like. But I suggest we just debate the political issues instead. Make an effort to stick to that.
Only when it is correct. I will call bullshit on people who lie about me every single time. My suggestion is that you stop talking about me all together and just debate the political issues. You don't know how to talk about me without lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Do you honestly think I am just sitting here going "Oh I know how to make me look better I will make stuff up that Universal Mind never said and then say he did it!"
Grow up.
Oh, that's why you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
I am not making stuff up, I paraphrase what you say and then you get nit picky if I don't quote you exactly word for word. You would rather play word games than debate. So...why am I doing this with you?