As he accepted his Nobel Prize for his study on the atom Max Planck once said, “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”
-Max Planck
"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" -Dr. Wayne Dyer
I've found on more than one occasion that we truly do create our own reality. I've had way too many experiences pointing to the idea that the intention or vibration we hold, creates, betters, or worsens the environment and people around us. I initially didn't want to believe it, because that would mean I have no one to blame but myself for all the negativity I have. But, the more I understand the more I realize I have been the only person holding myself back. I've tested this out countless times before reaching this conclusion. I used to watch those self-help gurus like Wayne Dyer, and his Power Of Intention two-hour lecture, and think he was willfully choosing to be ignorant to the negativity in the world. But, I understand it now. We communally co-create our realities out of our intention. Time for us to take responsibility for that.
In his lecture, one thing that Wayne Dyer said stood out to me, and it was something to the effect of,
"You CANNOT get sick enough, to heal one person on this planet. You CANNOT get poor enough, to make one person wealthy on this planet. You CANNOT get confused enough, to un-confuse one person on this planet. No amount of your feeling bad."
This realization has also led me to start to question that self-deprecating desire to stay "informed" with this lower energy "information". ESPECIALLY, those stories pumped through mass-media and other third-party outlets. What if our outer "knowledge" of them, is what gives them substance, and makes them a reality?
What does our collective "knowing" of said "information" spoonfed through mass-media and other third-party outlets directly give or do for us? What does watching the news on a daily basis do for ANYONE? Honestly, Why is there a need to watch the news at all? I would argue that there is no good reason to watch the news, especially if you truly understand yourself and your direction in life... The media isn't something that helps you, only hurts you...
I haven't even had a TV hooked up to watch streaming television in over 4 years, and I've managed to survive. I've grown to find it a complete waste of time. Not to mention, if you make an effort to "stay informed" you are willfully giving your attention to something that is subconsciously molding and shaping you into something that source wants you perceive or believe. You start to identify yourself through someone else's scripted ideals, and mass-marketed desires and dislikes. I've been living in Japan, and have been out of the states for over 4 years now, which also means I've been out of that system of control the media puts on people.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with stumbling across so-called "news" every now and then, but I truly feel that unless we EYE-witness it with our perceiving eyes of the universe, it's honestly not worth the time we give it... let alone choosing to believe in it as real. There is no valid excuse to believe anything tertiary as real. Chances are, if you haven't directly experienced it, it won't help better you anyway.
If you give your intent to someone else's reality of lower emotion, you are giving a part of your power as the perceiving eyes of the universe away to some big corporation's agenda, or another sub-culture third-party hunch.
Just think:
What would learning of something negative and instilling lower emotion onto millions of people do to tip the scales into special interest's favor, or to change or affect the communal construct we live in? The entity or organization that controls people's minds and perception, creates our reality... Stop feeding it...
Especially considering, if on a personal level your intention can directly affect your life, and the lives of those around you.
The answer is simple. Next time you come across some "information", be it internet or otherwise that instills lower emotion, simply opt to turn it off or filter it out, and choose to create your own perception of reality from your own eye-witness experiences. Why do otherwise? There simply is no reason to know of things you can't do anything to change, if you can't first help yourself...
No amount of negative emotion will ever better the world. Don't settle on pre-packaged versions of reality fed to you from those with negative agendas.
Thoughts? Let's try and leave the negative one's out of this thread, OK?
03-23-2008, 12:57 PM
Taosaur
Essentially, "Think positively for positive results." It's fascinating how this teaching is impenetrable until you test it and start to see results.
03-23-2008, 01:05 PM
Cyclic13
I know what you mean. Two years ago, when I initially came across 'The Power of Intention' from Dr. Wayne Dyer I was looking for all the reasons in the world not to believe him, so essentially I made that a reality at that time...
I thought he was being willfully ignorant to the ills of the world, and how arrogantly ignorant that was. However, looking back I realize the amount of negative "information" you seek out or stumble upon in the outer world, almost always directly relates to the amount of negative thoughts you hold in the inner one. You essentially keep yourself down with negativity, and revel in and use that negativity as excuses to stay down, like quicksand. Therefore, the more positively you think, the more you focus away from negative. It doesn't mean you are ignorant to it, it just means like the sun, you just don't stare at it too long because it's only there to drag you down into the dismal abyss of negativity along with it...
Now, as I think more positively more positive things thankfully come my way, my situation becomes easier to handle and the less I care to look at or "inform" myself with "news" that instills lower emotion.
Example: This weekend we participated in a benefit concert for the environment in front of a HUGE famous castle here in Japan... Even our great opportunities seem to gravitate towards potential positive outcomes for other things...
I'm still having a hard time trying to truly understand the power of intention.
But i agree: turn off the T.V. PERIOD! I've heard of turn off the T.V. week. How about a turnoff the T.V.for a year or permanently. Just think about the possibilities. you'll have more time to just be yourself! go pursue that hobby you've always wanted to do. More physical exercise, learn an instrument, go out and just talk to people etc. The possibilities are endless with that free Time.
I don't own a t.v.... Well i do, but theres no cable. i use it mostly for movies or documentaries. I rarely even use a t.v. for that either. I think i should get off the pc a bit more and more.
Solskye, You posted those plant videos. I was just listening to the same ones as i was stumbling apon this thread. What a moment! Here i am in north ammerica and it almost seems like you just reflected what i wasthinking about all this time!
03-23-2008, 06:51 PM
NonDualistic
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Originally Posted by SolSkye
I know what you mean. Two years ago, when I initially came across 'The Power of Intention' from Dr. Wayne Dyer I was looking for all the reasons in the world not to believe him, so essentially I made that a reality at that time...
Interesting psuedo parralell with my journey
I began this particular turn about two years ago last December with a simple thought framed up in my mind. That thought was:
" I have no doubt in that what we call miracles are possible and real, Show me the mechanics of how such is done"
From that point on its as if the whole of the universeal energies at work began to fascilltate the anwering of that request.
A week later I was drawn to see the Chronicles of Narnia.
I then was drawn to read a number of books by CL Lewis.
From there I literally stumbled across Wayne Dyers presentation on "Inspiration". (Two years ago this month)
This in turn drew me to Wayne Dyers presentation on "intention"
From there I found Wikipedia and began looking up Buddhist related articles refrenced in Dyers talks.
I found Dzogchen as presented by Chogyal Namkai Norbu. I then read just about everything he has written.
I have, through wikipedia, found numerous articles and teachings by various persons such as Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Majaraj, and others too numerous to list here.
Now it is to the point where everywhere I turn I find another piece of teaching here and there, in everything and everyone, even in my dreams. The thing that has been maintained throught all is the presence of "no doubt" in what arrives. I have concentrated on merely bringing into focus what shows up here in front of me. I have, through what I see as the Buddha mind, brought it here. There should be no reason to doubt. The only thing I find lacking is focus.
Whats more interesting yet is that what shows up is incremental and in order. It all seems to be building one block upon another. I am almost to the point where part of me can sit back and just watch in awe as this unfolds in front of me, while another part is able to deal with the focusing on and understanding of all of it. Words cannot adequately describe what id happening. Ironically the part that needs the understanding diminsihes the more that is understood. It is as if it becomes empty as it is filled, and in that sense of emptiness there is a certain fulfillment arising.
To your inquirey on thoughts to the topic at hand, my perception is laid out on a foundation of trust. No doubt. Everything I see is my own Self in one way or another, to one degree or another.
I see this notion of intention as such:
Ones thoughts, or intentions, that which is "framed" in the mind is like being at the bow of the ship you command. Your ship of lifes experience, your ship of Being. What is framed is moving out ahead of the ship. It is what guides the ship where it is going. It literally drags the ship along on its path through the waters of the ocean.
The frame being positioned out front of this ship is as likened to free will. If the frame is positioned to the sides are stern of the ship, it is as being caught up in cause and effect. Lost in what it is you see, the reflections off the water, rather than seeing the horizon ahead. the ship drifts when this happens, lost and caught up in the currents moving around it rather than creating its own relative currents as it goes through the water of its own power.
This is the analogy I use thus far anyhow.
03-23-2008, 09:05 PM
Wildman
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Originally Posted by SolSkye
Now, as I think more positively more positive things thankfully come my way, my situation becomes easier to handle and the less I care to look at or "inform" myself with "news" that instills lower emotion.
Example: This weekend we participated in a benefit concert for the environment in front of a HUGE famous castle here in Japan... Even our great opportunities seem to gravitate towards potential positive outcomes for other things...
Perpetually paying it forward, so to speak. The more positively I think, the more chances I have to do something positive for others...
I definitely see where you're coming from with this, but I'm not sure I agree completely and I have sort of a question. As far as I understand, you're telling us that we should cut ourselves off from TV/news and other similar media because they're usually just negative information that doesn't have anything to do with us directly. I couldn't agree more, but only for some types of news/information.
Isn't it information and culture that has brought you to these conclusions? Aren't the videos you link us to a form of news? You seem to care about the environment, but how did you learn about this cause if not through some media?
If I sound hostile, please excuse me. I'm not here to shoot anyone down, but the message seems a bit contradictory to me. If I have misinterpreted, please explain.
03-23-2008, 10:23 PM
nina
SolSkye I think it goes without saying that I agree with everything you've said 100%. You steal the thoughts and words from my mouth with each new thread you create.
03-23-2008, 11:28 PM
Cyclic13
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Originally Posted by Wildman
I definitely see where you're coming from with this, but I'm not sure I agree completely and I have sort of a question. As far as I understand, you're telling us that we should cut ourselves off from TV/news and other similar media because they're usually just negative information that doesn't have anything to do with us directly. I couldn't agree more, but only for some types of news/information.
Isn't it information and culture that has brought you to these conclusions? Aren't the videos you link us to a form of news? You seem to care about the environment, but how did you learn about this cause if not through some media?
If I sound hostile, please excuse me. I'm not here to shoot anyone down, but the message seems a bit contradictory to me. If I have misinterpreted, please explain.
No you don't sound hostile, it's a legitimate question.
As I said in the original post,
"Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with stumbling across so-called "news" every now and then, but I truly feel that unless we EYE-witness it with our perceiving eyes of the universe, it's honestly not worth the time we give it... let alone choosing to believe in it as real. There is no valid excuse to believe anything tertiary as real. Chances are, if you haven't directly experienced it, it won't help better you anyway."
I don't think it's wrong to watch third-party information just not worth believing in as real. Why blindly believe it? Did you experience it first hand? Why give up your power on essentially someone else's pre-conceived notion, and pre-packaged negative model of life? What does allowing that kind of negativity into your life ever do to better it, and others? Did you know that after Al Gore's, "An Inconvenient Hunch", hit mass audiences, it actually started getting hotter, faster than before? It's not always a good idea to get people's intention backing a phenomenon which we may have caused from going on a downward spiral of communal thought in the first place. After all is said and done, it seems we are going back down on a cooling kick.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...-jan08-520.png SOURCE
The ∆T for the past 12 months is minus 0.595°C which is in line with other respected global temperature metrics that I have reported on in the past two weeks. RSS, UAH, and GISS global temperature sets all show sharp drops in the last year. We are in an extended solar minimum, we have a shift in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to a cold state, and we are seeing arctic ice extents setting new records and rebounding from the summer melt.While weather is defined as such variability, the fact that so many things are in agreement on a global scale in such a short time span of one year should give us all pause for consideration.
Anyway, the only reason the media is filled with negativity is negative stories sell, and positive ones don't. They don't care that it paints a future devoid of hope. The bleak future they paint hits the eyes and ears of millions and millions of people across the world each day, literally getting millions of people's intention and belief behind it, all fearing that the future is bleak until they actually begin to manifest those thoughts into reality.
I would argue that the masses blind-sighted nature and projection of their fears and problems outwardly is what empowers those thoughts to manifest themselves in the blood-letting of wars, for example. It's a way of communally releasing pent up lower emotion. It's horrible, but until we accept ourselves and face our fears for the illusions that they are, and see our true nature we will forever be doomed to repeat it.
In tribal societies people used to sacrifice an individual, because the community could then pour all their ills into one being which got rid of their problems for them. Every culture on earth still does the same thing. We dump our garbage out on others... That's the way of the world.
Stuck in self-deprecation won't do anything to change our nature... The only thing that changes it is leading by example. Leading the life you want for others... one of peace and understanding... hatred and fear just beget themselves... always...
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Originally Posted by Aquanina
SolSkye I think it goes without saying that I agree with everything you've said 100%. You steal the thoughts and words from my mouth with each new thread you create.
See? A match made in heaven. Marry me?
03-23-2008, 11:47 PM
Man of Shred
This is one fascinating topic Solskye. I wish i could contribute something here. But I'm speechless. I'll just have to give Kudos for now!:)
03-24-2008, 02:10 AM
nina
:kiss: :kiss:
03-26-2008, 06:06 PM
Cyclic13
The real reason I enjoy the ouroboros in my signature as a symbol is because it clearly makes visible the true nature of reality, that being one of a contradiction at all times. It shows the cyclical nature of time and the universe, that through entropy devourers itself to continually make a more complex novel version of itself. That cycle of death and rebirth of all things, even though no energy is ever created or destroyed. That unexplainable eternal moment that we all agreeably share our finite blips in, and inevitably return to.
As for our intent, I always say, "Every intent that is expressed, is lost in it's own expression." Another contradiction.
Our subjective experience here is our only reality... We can never jump outside or separate ourselves from our subjective perceiving self. The objective perspective is the intangible of the two. Objective truth would also fall into that objective perspective alongside one's experience of it, which cannot ever be expressed without returning to the subjective perspective and all the skewed bias' of culture and language, and all the intents that come with it.
You simply cannot separate one's subjective experience from the objective moment for even a heartbeat. And, therein lies the paradox. The objective moment or truth cannot ever be expressed between two individuals. They both view it differently through the flawed lenses of their perceiving subjective eyes. You cannot ever show me 10 minutes ago as you saw it, you can only recall it, and even then the memory of it grows blurrier by the moment.
No matter how verbose and eloquently put, one simply cannot adequately explain this very moment as they read back this sentence. It is as intangible as infinity, because we exist here in infinity as infinity, realizing ourselves forever independently dependent on each other as the fractalized perceiving asymptotic tendrils of the universe.
I beg someone to show me how this intangible objective truth and reality can be grasped and hold true for all perceiving eyes and minds once you decide to jump back to the discourse of the duality, because I fail to see it being possible.
The way I look at it, is at any moment you are always inevitably biting your own tail. Truth and the moment simply cannot be explained, to anyone... ever...
As the awareness of one's lack of knowledge goes up exponentially as they acquire knowledge they will eventually reach the asymptotic realization of the fact that true knowledge does not exist. So, in fact, what they were striving for wasn't ever there, only perceived as being there. Just another contradiction... in a sea of contradiction.
So that leads me back to my original point, why must one search out and blindly believe these unverified and out-sourced "information" without first EYE-witness verification one way, or the other?
Where and why does one make that leap of faith to believe in something tertiary enough to start to fear something they haven't even directly seen or experienced?
What does our "knowing" of it do for us in the moment? When that's all there ever was, is, and ever will be?
One, on the positive slant can shift the other tendrils of itself up the positive slant with it, or they can drag them down the negative spiral as well...
sigh - I knew about the 'secret' for about a year. and I did believe it. but I didn't practice it or take it seriously until my family and I were in such a bad financial shape that in a few weeks we could have been out on the streets
this was happening about last. . .november.
what had happened, or what has beeeeen happening is that every car we get DIES. JUST DIES. Except for my mother's car. But it was very old. Its a long story but my family was convinced we had some car hex on us. Some blamed my mom because she was the one who bought all the cars that died on us. Some blamed my sister because they were all for her, or at least crashed by her in one case.
I had just gotten a job, and I need it to pay my loans. The family car, mostly owned by my sister breaks down. My ability to go to work is threatened. My sisters ability to continue her education, her future was threatened. My dad's ability to go to work was threatened, and he pays the bills. And my moms car, was breaking down because its old.
So my mom was driving me home from work, and I was really stressing out almost in tears because I knew, without this job I could never move forward in life. (can't buy art supplies, can't see friends who live in another city, can't move out!)
My mom starts talking about buying another car from her friend for cheap. It will be for my older sister to continue education. As for me. I would have to stay home. Do nothing.
And I had ENOUGH. I mean I can't even accurately describe the emotions I was going through, enough was ENOUGH. And I told my mom "IM GOING TO BUY A NEW CAR" she told me that wasn't possible with my income.
She just shook her head and thought I was in some juvenile denial of the situation we were in. I got online, researched new cars. I saw one that I thought would be affordable. My heart starts to race and I see the image of the car online and I just say "Thats my car!"
I wasn't even saying or thinking "I want that to be my car." I was literally saying and thinking that it was mine. MINE. MINE. MINE.
The next day I beg mom to take me to the car dealer. She goes along, still thinking I was going to be disappointed when all I can afford is some crappy old car.
The first thing that amazed me was how understanding the dealers were. They told me straight out that normally with my income level, with my parents credit history, with my age *under 25* this type of new car with all the normal features - AC, automatic would normally be out of my league. I told him I would not take any less than that new car, he smiles and works with us. The whole team was backing us up.
They start getting phone calls from the banks and their loans. Judging by his facial expression it seemed he was getting ready to lay down the bad news, that we would not be accepted for the loan. When we came back to speak with him that day, he had a very surprised look on his face. Not only did a bank offer us the loan, but more than one offered us a loan. Which gave us leverage for the best deal.
That day I walked out with a new car. My mom was shocked. I was shocked.
I get home, neither my sister or my dad congratulate me. I told them, "I got a new car!" and the words "new" and "car" didn't register to almost three days later. When they finally began to ask, how the hell did the youngest family member with the lowest income of all buy a new car.
After I got the new car, I realized I did exactly what the movie described. There wasn't any doubt that night that the car wasn't mine.
My dad still thinks of the worst of the worst of the worst. And for the first few days he kept telling me that I had to prepare for the worst: My car breaking down and that I would have to spend a night sleeping on the streets *because for whatever earthly reason neither my mom, her best friend, my uncles or aunts could pick me up because everyone might as well drop dead in this horrible of all situations!!*. I was flabbergasted and told him I didn't need any of his negative thoughts.
You keep your bad juju over there and Ill have my good ones right here.
I felt like something was lifted from me when I got my new car, with its shiny ten year warranty. I started to see how every day, every hour all of my family members were negative people. Always anticipating something to go wrong in their life.
I started to practice thought manifestation some more. Though I admittingly stopped when larger things started to manifest. :bowdown:I became afraid the more I realized what thought manifestation really means.
I should really pick it up again. Amazing opportunities were happening that I willingly walked away from, because I dreamed them up.
A belief is like a blueprint. It is the plan or pattern to which all the materials needed to flesh it out are drawn. The architect is you. All vibrations are self-perpetuating. Your beliefs are self-perpetuating. An optimist will see the positive and create those circumstances, while a pessimist will naturally vibrate with a critical viewpoint and see the negative in every situation. Two people can be standing right next to each other and experience a completely different reality depending on their beliefs, emotions, and thoughts.
To partake of a higher ideal often requires sacrificing the lesser option.
“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” -Albert Einstein
"Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." -Carl Jung
"Every portion of the universe is contained in every tiny area of the universe." -Michael Talbot
“If you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.” - Nikola Tesla
“Do you remember how electrical currents and "unseen waves" were laughed at? The knowledge about man is still in its infancy.” - Albert Einstein
Nearly 4 hours of stuff posted in your first post! My paradigm has shifted because of them. 4 hours well spent in my opinion. All I can say now is 'wow' :bowdown:
06-18-2008, 04:11 PM
Minervas Phoenix
All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree- Albert Einstein
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.- Albert Einstein
As I read it reminded me of one of my top 100 books...... "The Power of Now" by Echart Tolle. I was in the Now, nothing else mattered. There was no past and future.....hell, there wasn't even a computer !
Fear is usually caused by the unknown, therefore if you know what you know, if you feel what you feel, if you see what you see, then you should be able to fear what you fear. If we could do this then fear would be no more.
06-18-2008, 07:29 PM
Serkat
Reality: That which exists independent of the observing person.
It's funny you should post that picture. I went to the beach this morning and saw Darth Vader doing that again. I said 'what are you doing'. Then he started running with the water laughing madly. Next thing he's jumped into this trench he's been digging all day. Curiously I went up to the bunker in the sand he had made to see what was going on.
Amazingly, he had a oven and electricity set up in this bunker and a kettle. He was baking something. '$3,50 for a regular coffee'. He said. 'I don't want a coffee' I replied. Then the earth shook and this wave emerged from the ocean. "it's going to wash your bunker out" I said amused.
Then he replied. 'why do you think I was filtering the water that is not fresh water it's salt water'. To which I said." "You're going to get electrocuted when the wave comes and the oven is on". "It will be alright, he snapped'. As I traced the cord all the way back through the sand. Some kind of mad scientist electrical device glowed from the shore. I went up to it and pressed a button and this message appeared on the screen.
SolSkye I think it goes without saying that I agree with everything you've said 100%. You steal the thoughts and words from my mouth with each new thread you create.
"keep your face to the sun and you cannot see the shadows" Seeeeeeeeeeeeee? Even i occationaly pay attention. Btw, Minerva what is the song playing in that clip?
08-22-2008, 02:24 AM
Cyclic13
Many of you slip down the negative slope...
Start to look up the periscope for hope...
It seems many of you have forgotten that the thoughts we hold create our realities...
Shift yourself upward... stop sinking into the quagmire...
That is all... :)
08-22-2008, 07:34 AM
DNK
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What does our collective "knowing" of said "information" spoonfed through mass-media and other third-party outlets directly give or do for us? What does watching the news on a daily basis do for ANYONE? Honestly, Why is there a need to watch the news at all? I would argue that there is no good reason to watch the news, especially if you truly understand yourself and your direction in life... The media isn't something that helps you, only hurts you...
I disagree. Although I agree on information bias and critiques of the MSM, simply ignoring the world is willful ignorance. I can appreciate not wanting to be part of the system, but at the same time you are a part of the system, and in some senses it is a rational system. To ignore this connection to others is to effectively silence your voice within that system. This system is that of governance, media, business, society, you name it. The point is that events are occurring in this system which are fundamentally affecting the lives of everyone in the world. To turn a blind eye to these facts is irresponsible.
If there is a crime ongoing and you do nothing because you are unaware of it, although you easily could be aware, are you not complicit? I respect your overall outlook, but ignoring current events isn't something that works in the aggregate.
08-22-2008, 04:07 PM
StonedApe
I agree with DNK that you shouldn't just completely cut off contact, but you don't have to watch tv or read the paper to get news of current events. For the most part, you can get enough information just by talking to people in you community, school or workplace. The internet is also good for things like this. But don't get overly concerned with polotics and things of that nature. The best thing you can do to make a change in the current system is to get people around you to think for themselves. Get people to start asking questions and reflecting on life, and society.
But throw away your tv. It does more harm than good.
08-24-2008, 12:55 AM
wendylove
Worst thread ever.
Its funny how people who don't know nothing will quote other people in a vain attempt to sad smart. Seriously, the OP is no Max Planck.
I feel sorry you needed to use that quote to seem to make this thread have substance, I pretty sure Wayne Dyer will never recieve a Nobel Prize. Why the hell did you even mention Max Planck and Wayne Dyer, they have nothing in common.
08-24-2008, 01:10 AM
Cyclic13
You may disagree and you are more than welcome to...
However, I beg one to show me how it does anything more than simply providing one with a temporary mask to wear and some water cooler talk where they stagnate, wade, and wallow in the casting of judgement onto others from their point in infinity...
Anything you experience through third party sources will most likely never affect you directly or positively, anyway...
Chances are it will stop you dead in your tracks from whatever you were thinking of doing long enough to drag you down with the negativity of decay that surrounds all life on earth ever so slightly where your intention or hope gets drained just a little more...
Enticing and entrancing you into the illusion of the fear-based reality on which it's entire house of cards teeters... and all for naught... none-the-less...
Believing in yourself enough to see through it will intuitively show you more than enough of what you need to know to get by in life... and you'll see the news isn't ever there to "help" pull you up by the bootstraps so to speak... That type of knowledge comes within...
It's only ever there to allow one to wade in pools of stagnation and self-deprecation...
PERIOD.
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Originally Posted by wendylove
Worst thread ever.
Its funny how people who don't know nothing will quote other people in a vain attempt to sad smart. Seriously, the OP is no Max Planck.
I feel sorry you needed to use that quote to seem to make this thread have substance, I pretty sure Wayne Dyer will never recieve a Nobel Prize. Why the hell did you even mention Max Planck and Wayne Dyer, they have nothing in common.
I expect nothing less from the biggest fomenter of negativity on DV...
08-24-2008, 01:14 AM
Man of Shred
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Originally Posted by Cyclic13
I expect nothing less from the biggest fomenter of negativity on DV...
Negativity is the cult of the weak.
08-24-2008, 01:26 AM
wendylove
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Negativity is the cult of the weak
Atleast I don't quote mine Max Planck.
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I expect nothing less from the biggest fomenter of negativity on DV...
My point still stands, you see yourself a rejection of TV and other forms of stuff that you label negative. However, instead of forming your own ideas you take stuff from self help guru and start quote mining real scientist.
08-24-2008, 08:06 AM
Cyclic13
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Originally Posted by wendylove
My point still stands ...
Does it, now?
If you actually had a valid point to stand on you'd be standing not sinking...
I suggest taking the time to look beneath your feet...
Stop sinking in the swamp of sadness...
It's quite simple...
All you need to do is stop thinking so hopelessly and critically...
The first video in the OP's post.. About plant communication.... Would anyone happen to know which scientific journal this was posted in? Or at least what television program aired that information? I find it absolutely remarkable. It would mean proof even for telepathy, let alone the fact that plant life possesses consciousness. There's far too much to gain from this, and nothing to lose.
08-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Minervas Phoenix
You're looking for Cleve Backster and his work. But Sir Jagadis Chundra Bose researched it about a hundred years ago. Mr. Theroux has conducted a series of plant sensitivity experiments also.
You might want to get hold of the book or documentary 'The Secret Life Of Plants'. That was an except from Cyclic13 you watched.
08-24-2008, 06:17 PM
wendylove
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Would anyone happen to know which scientific journal this was posted in?
I'm pretty sure that is not in any peer reviewed scientific journal.
I would watch the myth buster episode when they recreated Backsters experiment and showed it to be wrong.
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Does it, now?
Yes it does. You can quote Einstein, however that doesn't make you Einstein.
08-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Minervas Phoenix
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I would watch the myth buster episode
It's not just Backster that has done this the work is there to be done and recorded, and the results so far are worthy of even more study. While myth busters is entertainment for children but also trying to convince them of stuff that isn't true. For example magnetic propulsion they purposefully mislead people among other things. At a 5th grade level it has to be entertaining enough to hold the attention span of someone with a fair amount of sugar in their system. So a few explosions and silly experiments try and capture the imagination of a twit.
The last episode I saw they were testing if a firefighting helicopter could pick up a scuba diver from the ocean and drop him into the forest by accident. They went to a lot of trouble and then that myth was busted. Not that it mattered.
08-25-2008, 08:21 AM
DNK
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I expect nothing less from the biggest fomenter of negativity on DV...
Me? I'm not really sure who this thread was referring to, but I'll respond anyway.
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However, I beg one to show me how it does anything more than simply providing one with a temporary mask to wear and some water cooler talk where they stagnate, wade, and wallow in the casting of judgement onto others from their point in infinity...
If you never do anything with that knowledge, then no, it isn't useful for much. Well, I'd actually disagree with that since I think understanding the world is something worthwhile in itself, and reading and becoming aware of the events surrounding you certainly help in that regard. You don't need to form any opinions at all, save a dynamic set of theories on the various points of interest. They're pieces in the puzzle, and although they can tend to be distorted, they still have their place. I'll take any pieces I can find, and these are just set out there for the taking, although they require a good bit of thought and consideration of course.
But, beyond pure intellectual curiosity, the information gained can be used to alter the course of events. I do enjoy a detached view of the world, but also I like to be active, and in this sense knowing what's happening is a prerequisite to being an intelligent actor. Now, of course, you can argue that it's a single perspective, but it's still a perspective, and there's no way of really knowing which perspective is right, if there even is such a thing as a "correct perspective" (I guess that would be the sum of all perspectives, if such a limit exists). Regardless, knowledge is needed before action.
I would say the real negativity is assuming that the only point in keeping up on the news is to discuss it.
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Anything you experience through third party sources will most likely never affect you directly or positively, anyway...
Well, I would disagree with that, as my personal experience has been different.
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Chances are it will stop you dead in your tracks from whatever you were thinking of doing long enough to drag you down with the negativity of decay that surrounds all life on earth ever so slightly where your intention or hope gets drained just a little more...
The loss of hope is a personal problem. The news can certainly be a hurdle in terms of hope, but if that hope is never put to the test, like all untested things, one must question its real worth. Not to mention there is actually positive news in the world. It can all be quite positive with the right mindset.
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It's only ever there to allow one to wade in pools of stagnation and self-deprecation...
Well, I'd say I've grown personally quite a bit regardless of my news watching.
I understand that not seeing things with your own eyes is an issue, but then again there's a lot you just don't get a chance to see. At least with the news you can hear about it.
08-25-2008, 08:22 AM
DNK
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It's not just Backster that has done this the work is there to be done and recorded, and the results so far are worthy of even more study. While myth busters is entertainment for children but also trying to convince them of stuff that isn't true. For example magnetic propulsion they purposefully mislead people among other things. At a 5th grade level it has to be entertaining enough to hold the attention span of someone with a fair amount of sugar in their system. So a few explosions and silly experiments try and capture the imagination of a twit.
I would say Minervas hit it on the head: Mythbusters is pop science, junk science, not really science. It's not a credible source for anything save entertainment.
08-25-2008, 02:09 PM
wendylove
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Mythbusters is pop science, junk science, not really science. It's not a credible source for anything save entertainment.
I think Feynman would disagree http://xkcd.com/397/
the point is there are showing what the spirit of science is. Which, is good.
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It's not just Backster that has done this the work is there to be done and recorded, and the results so far are worthy of even more study.
Backster is just a new age quack. He hasen't published in any peer reviewed scienctific journals.
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Backster's claims were refuted by Horowitz, Lewis, and Gasteiger (1975) and Kmetz (1977). Kmetz summarized the case against Backster in an article for the Skeptical Inquirer in 1978. Backster had not used proper controls in doing his study. When controls were used, no detection of plant reaction to thoughts or threats could be found. These researchers found that the cause of the polygraph contours could have been due to a number of factors, including static electricity, movement in the room, changes in humidity, etc.
Backster is wrong. Atleast Mythbuster actually use the Scienctific method.
08-25-2008, 04:21 PM
Minervas Phoenix
Do the experiment yourself and you will see. But you would get upset at the instruments and debunk them. Like I already said many have done it with the same results. The documentary on it is a good place to start. Not the skeptic dictionary which will debunk anything.
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http://www.skepdic.com/
This distorted index has little credibility look what it says about UFOs which are already proven.
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There are as many photographs of UFOs as there are of the Loch Ness Monster
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It is the product of the creative imagination. It serves a poetic and existential function
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there is no physical evidence in support of either a UFO flyby or landing.
For one thing released footage of UFOs by the Mexican military which tracked them on radar say they chased them.
This index also attacks subjects like astrology, alchemy, Transcendental Meditation, the unconscious mind, hypnosis. And distorts subjects like science, memory, psychology and more.
It has all the important subjects listed except it attacks them all. What a surprise. Those that it doesn't attack it distorts the meaning of.
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the point is [they] are showing [mythbusters] what the spirit of science is. Which, is good.
Wendy this is not the spirit of science. This is the spirit of insanity.
08-25-2008, 06:34 PM
Neruo
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Reality: That which exists independent of the observing person.
I seem some more bit of that Australian program. Real funny, true, and putting bullshit to the test.
Anyhow. Seriously, some people need to lay off the new-age nonsense and read some books about evolution, science, sociology, psychology and be a bit more self-reflective about how wrong they might just be with the amount of evidence (an amount you can't divide by) they actually have.
I think Feynman would disagree http://xkcd.com/397/
the point is there are showing what the spirit of science is. Which, is good.
The spirit of science is to approach everything with absolutely no sincerity? To try to answer complex questions with poor experiment design and no real rigor? It does teach the spirit of bad science, something we have far too much of. I have no respect for the show because of that.
Why would Feynman agree? There's a difference between injecting humor into science and subverting science with humorously bad experiments on cultural myths.
Humor is always subversive. You have to ask yourself what is the target of that subversion in Mythbusters. I'll give you a head start: the two "scientists" running the show are Hollywood special effects artists.
12-23-2009, 08:42 AM
CanceledCzech
This man, Wayne Dyer, is incredibly wise.
12-25-2009, 08:22 PM
CanceledCzech
Also, I just finished watching the Science of Intention Pt.1. They were talking about the placebo effect but they failed to mention that it's just a band-aid. Also they failed to mention that it works - and this is why any drug works - is that we already have these receptrors in our brain and subsequently, the respective substances.
12-28-2009, 12:37 AM
Quark
Positive thinking cannot alter the outcome of an event; however, a consistently coherent positive attitude results in the positive perception of any event - that is, subjectively one may well appear to alter the outcome of an event, but objectively the only thing one actually alters is him/herself.
12-28-2009, 05:03 AM
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Positive thinking cannot alter the outcome of an event; however, a consistently coherent positive attitude results in the positive perception of any event - that is, subjectively one may well appear to alter the outcome of an event, but objectively the only thing one actually alters is him/herself.
Some of this is true, but overall I think you'd be surprised. We live in a unified universe, and what we hold in mind tends to manifest. Contrary to popular belief, this has nothing to do with causality, but the nature of consciousness itself.
