Synchromysticism

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Seriously guys... read the past few posts... they sound like a bunch of things said in a circle of potheads.

I'm not wasting my time anymore.. it had nothing to do with my understanding.. it was a matter of me trying to say that no one else can try to understand what you mean by self-transcendence, so why try to teach it and pontificate it? It's hypocritical.

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Sorting through the bits or not is your choice.

You are completely right about the hypocrisy in this context.

Communication serves as justification and guidance with others that understand.
Yes, it is hypocritical. Though far from in all contexts.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I've read the rest of your post, but I am only going to respond to this because it is the major issue.

You are offering your thoughts and opinion on a matter, but you choose to offer no justification nor rationale but expect people to accept and understand your stance. Or, you are just offering your opinion and don't care if people understand (or leave it up to them, etc.). In both cases, it is pointless in you even talking because in both cases you are initiating conversation on a pretentious foundation.

Why bother talking if you do not feel the need to support, in any means, what you are saying?

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Again, you still generalize about my posts, and you yourself do not back up what you're saying about my posts. So how can I explain?

What's this thread about - is there really anything to prove? Or is it a matter of understanding the understanding itself? If I look within, being careful with my ways no matter what, there is really no way to go wrong.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Seriously guys... read the past few posts... they sound like a bunch of things said in a circle of potheads.

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Our interpretations and understanding of things are not found outside ourselves, but within.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I'm not wasting my time anymore.. it had nothing to do with my understanding.. it was a matter of me trying to say that no one else can try to understand what you mean by self-transcendence, so why try to teach it and pontificate it? It's hypocritical.

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You only have your understanding to worry about, if that. Don't cover everyone else with your blanket.

This might sound condescending, but it's not. If you will pursue it deeply, you will. Or if you will do something else, you will do that instead. When you're ready, or not simply when you're not.

“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” - Buddha

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How O'nus got the patience to do so many laps around the circle that is this thread I will never understand.

really you are adament on pontificatnig your spiritual maturity over everywhere that it is aggratvating and antagonising for those who understand what you are saying but you seem to be convinced that they are not.

Your pretentious posts are simply antagonising as I am trying my best to show you that, yes, I understand your position and the importance of self-governship, relativity, and subjectivity but you make the mistake of thinking you can argue and convince others that either they are not at their full self-potential or that you are smiply the grand buddha and that we ought to all take a lesson from you.

Every post of yours is chock full of anecodtal reasoning, not justifications, and unfalsifiable claims. You acknowledge this as "subjective perceptions" on your part but you fail to see the futility in posting what you then post. If you acknowledge how people ought to grow themselves, then why do you argue so much and pontificate your spiritually mature nonsense?

We understand the importance of subjectivity and relativitiy, having people like you come around and point it out again and again is sophomoric and serves no purpose at all.

We might as well say the following things after every single thing:
- You never know for certain
- It doesn't matter anyway though
- Everything is all in your own perception

They are all vague anecodotes that reach beyond their own context while simultaneously offering absolutely nothing to the other person you are speaking with.

Everything you are saying is for yourself and I want you to acknowledge the pointlessness that is in your preaching about self-transcendence while you, in the next sentence, point out the nature of self-transcendence and how you can't teach it.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

really you are adament on pontificatnig your spiritual maturity over everywhere that it is aggratvating and antagonising for those who understand what you are saying but you seem to be convinced that they are not.

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You're still generalizing, and that is why it may seem more dramatic.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Your pretentious posts are simply antagonising as I am trying my best to show you that, yes, I understand your position and the importance of self-governship, relativity, and subjectivity but you make the mistake of thinking you can argue and convince others that either they are not at their full self-potential or that you are smiply the grand buddha and that we ought to all take a lesson from you.

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This is not what I believe; we're all equal.

I challenge your responses and answer your questions for the reasons of discussion.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Every post of yours is chock full of anecodtal reasoning, not justifications, and unfalsifiable claims. You acknowledge this as "subjective perceptions" on your part but you fail to see the futility in posting what you then post. If you acknowledge how people ought to grow themselves, then why do you argue so much and pontificate your spiritually mature nonsense?

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If questions are asked toward me, I don't like to leave them hanging. "Spiritually mature nonsense" is simply an image you have created, and I really have nothing to do with it as such. Though I understand such a viewpoint, there is no reason for me to change the way I explain things, because I cannot please everybody.

I am involved in this discussion, because I like the topic and believe I can be helpful to others. I speak about these things because they can be interesting; can get one contemplating and may serve to increase awareness, even though it is not at all the "cause" of such things.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

We understand the importance of subjectivity and relativitiy, having people like you come around and point it out again and again is sophomoric and serves no purpose at all.

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Think about what you just said. Consider that purposes are relative. If it serves no purpose for you, avoid it.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

We might as well say the following things after every single thing:
- You never know for certain
- It doesn't matter anyway though
- Everything is all in your own perception

They are all vague anecodotes that reach beyond their own context while simultaneously offering absolutely nothing to the other person you are speaking with.

Everything you are saying is for yourself and I want you to acknowledge the pointlessness that is in your preaching about self-transcendence while you, in the next sentence, point out the nature of self-transcendence and how you can't teach it.

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I don't think you realize how many generalizations you're making, they're in bold.

Self-transcendence can involve many things. Growth can involve many things. If I can serve you in a good way, good for you. If the apple is rotten, is it pointless? Or is it just pointless to eat? Or is it just rotten? Or as ClouD would ask, Is it just?

Now you have to go back to your relativity. Don't get frustrated with what you find useless, pointless or unattractive, let it pass you by and move on. Somebody else may come along, and they may be interested.

Through awareness, these perceptions are illuminated, and perceptions can illuminate awareness. Eventually, there will be only light left.

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Using any psychedelic can generally help you squeegee your third eye clean... Then it's all about you maintaining your goals and not falling into any more psychic traps that drain your energy and focus, or lead your attention astray in order to help build up someone else's "reality" other than your own. Those traps exist all around you with dirty politics, global warming scare tactics, mindless entertainment that takes your mind no where, and countless other paranoid fear mongers claiming the "reptiles", "grays", "illuminati", or "nwo" are constantly out to get you... even this thread could be considered a trap to those not interested in, or ready to hear it...

You see, one must never forget that in the end all "realities" are subjective... simple delusions of illusions... Some people buy into other illusions while they write off and dismiss others of equal merit and substance... Those that can't surf on the paradoxes cause conflict and spread fear... Those that hang ten and bask in contradiction... sit back and smile...

Empiricism is it's own subjective trap that people buy into... Objectivism is a pipe dream that doesn't exist...

All is mind... enjoy it and catch the wave of consciousness... which is the energy of creation...

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Please note Onus, This is not meant to offend but to expand...

I re-read these quotes tonight and thought of you...

Take it or leave it...

"Once a man worries, he clings to anything out of desparation; and once he clings he is bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whomever or whatever he is clinging to. A warrior-hunter, on the other hand, knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accesssible."

"The art of the warrior is to balance the terror of being a man with the wonder of being a man"

-- Quotes from the "Wheel of Time" by Carlos Castaneda

After putting things into perspective...

Are you hanging from the trap or the trapeze?

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

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Please note Onus, This is not meant to offend but to expand...

I re-read these quotes tonight and thought of you...

Take it or leave it...

"Once a man worries, he clings to anything out of desparation; and once he clings he is bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whomever or whatever he is clinging to. A warrior-hunter, on the other hand, knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accesssible."

"The art of the warrior is to balance the terror of being a man with the wonder of being a man"

-- Quotes from the "Wheel of Time" by Carlos Castaneda

After putting things into perspective...

Are you hanging from the trap or the trapeze?

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Gibberish.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/.../gibberish.jpg

It all depends on your level of focus...

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

It all depends on your level of focus...

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Indeed. And I can see right through your double speak.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Indeed. And I can see right through your double speak.

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The double speak isn't the tip of the sword.

Run your hand along it real fast.

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Originally Posted by ClouD

The double speak isn't the tip of the sword.

Run your hand along it real fast.

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The double speak is double speak.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

really you are adament on pontificatnig your spiritual maturity over everywhere that it is aggratvating and antagonising for those who understand what you are saying but you seem to be convinced that they are not.

Your pretentious posts are simply antagonising as I am trying my best to show you that, yes, I understand your position and the importance of self-governship, relativity, and subjectivity but you make the mistake of thinking you can argue and convince others that either they are not at their full self-potential or that you are smiply the grand buddha and that we ought to all take a lesson from you.

Every post of yours is chock full of anecodtal reasoning, not justifications, and unfalsifiable claims. You acknowledge this as "subjective perceptions" on your part but you fail to see the futility in posting what you then post. If you acknowledge how people ought to grow themselves, then why do you argue so much and pontificate your spiritually mature nonsense?

We understand the importance of subjectivity and relativitiy, having people like you come around and point it out again and again is sophomoric and serves no purpose at all.

We might as well say the following things after every single thing:
- You never know for certain
- It doesn't matter anyway though
- Everything is all in your own perception

They are all vague anecodotes that reach beyond their own context while simultaneously offering absolutely nothing to the other person you are speaking with.

Everything you are saying is for yourself and I want you to acknowledge the pointlessness that is in your preaching about self-transcendence while you, in the next sentence, point out the nature of self-transcendence and how you can't teach it.

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Understanding comes in plateaus, first you must realize you're a fool. Some people decide, "well, were all fools!" and then go around telling everybody else that they don't know as much because they still think they know things. This is not realizing you're a fool.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

The double speak is double speak.

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Yes.

Seeing through it doesn't make it hollow.

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Reposted from page 2...



Please note Onus, This is not meant to offend but to expand...

I re-read these quotes tonight and thought of you...

Take it or leave it...

"Once a man worries, he clings to anything out of desparation; and once he clings he is bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whomever or whatever he is clinging to. A warrior-hunter, on the other hand, knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accesssible."

"The art of the warrior is to balance the terror of being a man with the wonder of being a man"

-- Quotes from the "Wheel of Time" by Carlos Castaneda

After putting things into perspective...

Are you hanging from the trap or the trapeze?

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Ahhhhh

just what I have been waiting for.....

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Originally Posted by ClouD

Yes.

Seeing through it doesn't make it hollow.

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Why is it that you people can't ever speak in literals? Oh yeah, because then what you say can't be open to interpretation and you have to confront the fact that you're saying nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Why is it that you people can't ever speak in literals? Oh yeah, because then what you say can't be open to interpretation and you have to confront the fact that you're saying nothing at all.

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"we" know what each other is saying just as things are

If one is going to travel with someone else, you have to get into their boat

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Why is it that you people can't ever speak in literals? Oh yeah, because then what you say can't be open to interpretation and you have to confront the fact that you're saying nothing at all.

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You can literally see through it? Haha...

That literally takes the cake.

Physicalism ftw.

what can i say

http://www.jimbond.co.uk/staticpic/blown%20away.jpg

Their is some truth to what he says.

Wheir?

All life is a circle.

Birth Death , Day Night, The journey around the universe.

That is life, an ongoing always changing experience.



Cylces. Constantly consuming. Only to bring forth more life.

Birth > Life > Death > Rebirth
Spring > Summer >Fall>Winter
Seed -> Flower -> Death-> Rebirth


We are all players in the never ending drama known as life. And we all together form to shape what we perceive but we all came from one place whether you believe in mysticism or not. "The Big Bang" it's been called by science, you can't deny our connectedness?

You must take this connectedness theme not to far because you will lead yourself to the inner paths of insanity believing everything you see is a sign. Because everything you witness and see is not always connecting in the ways you perceive them to be.



When you are truly in tune you will know it.
Meditate on that.

(Does no one remember when they were younger hearing a new word in School and then coming home and hearing it on the News and on Jeopardy? That's synchronicity, it does exist just sometimes it's taken past the normal level of understanding.)

I'm glad some others understand this. After all, this concept of cycles is nothing new. The chinese and japanese have these extremely old and expressive four character proverbs which contain many levels of meaning in those four characters.

For example, one of my personal favorites is...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...outenketsu.jpg

Which when thrown into a dictionary just says, 'Logical Development', but is so much more than that.

It is what children are taught in schools as a literary device for ways to develop stories, poetry, and what not.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/ki.jpg
The first kanji is 'Awakening', or in a universal sense, 'Birth'...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/shou.jpg
The second kanji is 'Development', or in the universal sense, 'Growth'...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/ten.jpg
The third kanji is 'Turn', or in the universal sense, 'Change'...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/ketsu.jpg
The forth and final kanji is 'Conclusion', or in the universal sense, 'Death/Rebirth'...

All of reality is cyclic...

All linear flawed modes of causality and thought must eventually succumb to and bow down to this cyclical precept of time and space...

Either way, their silly linear reality bubble will pop along with the finite meat bag they call a body proving itself false naturally...

The great equalizer of death always brings everyone back to 0... A perfect circle... nothingness and wholeness... Beyond distinction and duality...

Immediately humbling all things, no matter how indignant they are, to the mystery of all that is...

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

All life is a circle.

Birth Death , Day Night, The journey around the universe.

That is life, an ongoing always changing experience.



Cylces. Constantly consuming. Only to bring forth more life.

Birth > Life > Death > Rebirth
Spring > Summer >Fall>Winter
Seed -> Flower -> Death-> Rebirth


We are all players in the never ending drama known as life. And we all together form to shape what we perceive but we all came from one place whether you believe in mysticism or not. "The Big Bang" it's been called by science, you can't deny our connectedness?

You must take this connectedness theme not to far because you will lead yourself to the inner paths of insanity believing everything you see is a sign. Because everything you witness and see is not always connecting in the ways you perceive them to be.

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How do the cycles of death and rebirth imply that everything is connected to the point where at least sometimes there is a conversation between yourself and your experiences? Or, as you put it, how does it imply a connectedness, and how does this connectedness imply existence is conscious and can send messages?

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When you are truly in tune you will know it.
Meditate on that.

(Does no one remember when they were younger hearing a new word in School and then coming home and hearing it on the News and on Jeopardy? That's synchronicity, it does exist just sometimes it's taken past the normal level of understanding.)

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I suppose this vaguely answers the question, but I'd still like you to explain how cycles imply a conscious universe, and how this consciousness is then able to act upon our lives to create specific experiences for us.