Synchromysticism

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Originally Posted by Omicron

This does not work as a reason.

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Knower, known.

Knowing.
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Now so of yourself, dismiss to the not extreme.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

It does, you're just under the illusion it doesn't. :roll:

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You're under the illusion it doesn't doesn't. :banana:

The deception is layered so that, truthfully, it is the illusion it doesn't doesn't doesn't.

Actually you're all wrong, it doesn't wasn't wouldn't shouldn't never would have ever if you couldn't.

Nothing exists. I saw it when I looked for sense in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

Nothing exists. I saw it when I looked for sense in this thread.

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"The Buddha taught some people the teachings of duality that help them avoid sin and acquire spiritual merit. To others he taught non-duality, that some find profoundly frightening. Even offering three hundred bowls of food three times a day does not match the spiritual merit gained in one moment of love. All philosophies are mental fabrications. There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things. "

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

"The Buddha taught some people the teachings of duality that help them avoid sin and acquire spiritual merit. To others he taught non-duality, that some find profoundly frightening. Even offering three hundred bowls of food three times a day does not match the spiritual merit gained in one moment of love. All philosophies are mental fabrications. There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things. "

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Doctrines, teachings, metaphors.... all are merely as one trying to gently shake awake someone whom is in a deep sleep.

Whos to say just how many shakes or how long it will take to stir the One from their slumber?

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Originally Posted by Omicron

How do you know?




How do you know?



How do you know?



How do you know?

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Cognition.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

Nothing exists. I saw it when I looked for sense in this thread.

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Where is the sense in that rifle?

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Actually you're all wrong, it doesn't wasn't wouldn't shouldn't never would have ever if you couldn't.

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No no no. The illusion of the illusion is what is the illusion of magicians like Siegfried and Roy. They control the order of the universe, and the illusion of the couldn't-wouldn't perfect illusionary delusional illusion.

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Originally Posted by Neruo

No no no. The illusion of the illusion is what is the illusion of magicians like Siegfried and Roy. They control the order of the universe, and the illusion of the couldn't-wouldn't perfect illusionary delusional illusion.

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I'll look into that one. ;)

Look for the 9's... Trapped in Indra's Jeweled Net...
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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Certainly, just being called a fool from time to time can't be reason to get one's proverbial panties in a bunch?
All for naught, my friend... All for naught...

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My point is that making that proposition is pretentious and arrogant. The following up with vague anecodotes is like the grinning of a smart-ass.

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Originally Posted by ClouD

Fuck the point. Expression is expression.
It is all there is.
All that is not, is not.
I don't assume I will ever not 'exist'. I am now. Now is now.
So why this and that, you ask with your questions.
Who said anything about why?

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Are you not trying to show how pointless it is to discuss things as nothing can be certain nor represented properly? If this is what you hold to be true, why talk at all? Why even type? Why do anything?

I am saying something about why to expose the sophomoric nature of your propositions. I am asking what the utility is to constantly point out the pointlessness of things. It's nihilistic, apathetic, and intellectually lethargic.

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Originally Posted by really

And if... And if...
See?

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I am saying that, going by your logic (and many others here), there is no reason to have any discussion ever because we cannot properly represent anything in language nor be certain of anything.

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I think these are exaggerations. The topic is about awakening/recognition, not ignorance. If we mention the relevance of illusions it does not mean illusions were not really mentioned. There is no use mixing contexts - this always brings confusion.
So I can help you with your questions more, please quote exactly the main part of this thread which you don't understand. Though I'm a little worried it won't lead anywhere apparently helpful.

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Keep your logic consistent and universal. If you cannot apply your values to everything, then you are simply being bias and selectionist to suit your needs. You ought to apply your arguments to everything and under that premise, you should never talk about anything as everything is an illusion.

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

"The subject is the object of it's own subjection. The object is the subject of it's own objection"

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Enticing tautological reasoning. I hope one day you guys realize the pointlessness of all this.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

O'nus and others realize that physical reality is an illusion perceived but mind, yet they get their panties in a twist when they are reminded of it. Their panties get further twisted when insights are offered as to the nature of the mind/illusion phenomenon. They are like little children that study a puppet show willingly ignorant of the strings and unconcerned with where they might lead. They stamp there feet and throw a tantrum when someone tries to point out the strings, because the acknowledgment of them will wreck their preferred world-view, the self deluded belief that the puppets are themselves running the show.

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You acknowledge that I know what you are talking about, but then say I am getting my panties in a bunch and follow up by insulting me?

My main complaint is the pretentiousness and arrogance of this pseudo-intellectuality. There is little substance in all these threads as it is all anecdotal sophomoric nonsense. The rest of your post is a perfect encapsulation of what I am talking about as you clearly acknowledge I know what you're talking about, but then insult me.

Let me demonstrate what I am complaining about by responding to you in the typical fashion of everyone else:


Your phenomenological perception of my milieu is but a reflecting perpetual mirror of the environment we all propogate. We are nought but mere atoms and nodes within the ethereal and eternal link...


I could not finish that because it was so mind numbing. I literally had to think to myself, "how do I try to sound smart without actually saying anything?"

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It applies directly. The question is will it stick? The prognosis is not good.

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You did not even say anything except insult me.

The grand illusion is thinking that you are in a profound level of consciousness when you are truly stuck in a perpetual circle of tautological reasoning bolstered by a lack of self-awareness.

Have fun.
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Originally Posted by really

Where is the sense in that rifle?

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What are you aiming for?
What are you pointing at?
With what are you pointing?

I see metaphor

The O'nus is on Cyclic13!

HAR HAR

Seriously though, the idea that Cyclic and his ilk think they know more about the universe than the rest of us (and especially scientists) is quite laughable.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

You did not even say anything except insult me.

The grand illusion is thinking that you are in a profound level of consciousness when you are truly stuck in a perpetual circle of tautological reasoning bolstered by a lack of self-awareness.

Have fun.
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More proverbial picking at paint chips... What did I say about that last time?

All we ever do is much ado about nothing... and therein lies the point.

It is so freeing to actually realize that and let go instead of clutching to silly bubbles that pop, anyway.

The why in what we choose to do is unimportant. You could spend all of eternity asking yourself... why oh why?

We are all fools... but that is nothing to get upset over in admitting.

I never insulted you.

Lack? More assumptions. Speak for yourself.

Judge naught lest ye be judged.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

The O'nus is on Cyclic13!

HAR HAR

Seriously though, the idea that Cyclic and his ilk think they know more about the universe than the rest of us (and especially scientists) is quite laughable.

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That is where you get us wrong. We know no more than you do. The only difference is our perception of reality. Which ANYONE can change if they choose to. not just a select few. History has proved that Gurus can be taken down because people follow them. People like me see everyone on this planet as a ghandi or martin luther king type guru. If the masses realised this simple fact. the world would be a very different place.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

That is where you get us wrong. We know no more than you do. The only difference is our perception of reality. Which ANYONE can change if they choose to. not just a select few. History has proved that Gurus can be taken down because people follow them. People like me see everyone on this planet as a ghandi or martin luther king type guru. If the masses realised this simple fact. the world would be a very different place.

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Semantics. Different perception, different knowledge. Same thing, call it what you will. You are a typical internet moron who thinks they have some sort of special insight.

cyclic I wasn't actually talking to you. No worries.
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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Semantics. Different perception, different knowledge. Same thing, call it what you will. You are a typical internet moron who thinks they have some sort of special insight.

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I'll say again: Name Calling does not Constitute an Argument PERIOD.

*sigh* Now why would i say that I have special insight? when if you actually read what I said, it means: Everyone has "special insight". Also in what phrase in what i said did i ever say or imply "I have special insight"? The only thing i ever implied was "we have special insight" who is we? EVERYONE!

The only secret to utilizing "special insight" is to ASK QUESTIONS AND SEEK ANSWERS. When a child asks a question, it usually gets an answer. However there are parents, teachers and other authority figures who usually shout "SHUT UP". Over time this conditions people to not ask questions and seek answers. What does this lead to: fear of ridicule. How do people cope with fear and ridicule? hide away by any means, be it work, sex, drugs, violence, work, television, eating disorders ad infinitum. Because these are mere coping mechanisms to mask their fear of their most natural instinct in the world: To ask questions and seek answers. And sometimes people may ask questions and seek answers. BUT because many people in todays society... are conditioned to fear public ridicule. They will in turn publicly ridicule ANYONE, even their closest friends, if they ask questions and seek answers.

I have just described from one lexicon, another version of Cyclics "Matrix". It's only an illusion. Why is it only an Illusion? because it is built by other people, and not the own persons experience. those who live within this matrix will never tap into their own potential. because of a stupid four letter word: fear.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

cyclic I wasn't actually talking to you. No worries.
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Ah.

Apologies.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

those who live within this matrix will never tap into their own potential. because of a stupid four letter word: fear.

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Originally Posted by NonDualistic

What are you aiming for?
What are you pointing at?
With what are you pointing?

I see metaphor

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Nice one. ;)

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I am saying that, going by your logic (and many others here), there is no reason to have any discussion ever because we cannot properly represent anything in language nor be certain of anything.

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What reason for discussion apart from to have a discussion? What reason for communication apart from its benefits?

Discussions are more useful when understanding their inherent limitations. Shutting them off completely is ignorant.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Keep your logic consistent and universal. If you cannot apply your values to everything, then you are simply being bias and selectionist to suit your needs. You ought to apply your arguments to everything and under that premise, you should never talk about anything as everything is an illusion.

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Context. Everything to which it applies. Illusions do not apply to true reality, they are within true reality. Without knowing illusions there is no true reality. If anybody said all things were illusions, then that means all things are illusions and not non-things. Despite this, it is relative to awareness.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Enticing tautological reasoning. I hope one day you guys realize the pointlessness of all this.

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Please point out the pointlessness. :D

Hey O'nus is back! I was starting to think he had hung himself or something...

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

Hey O'nus is back! I was starting to think he had hung himself or something...

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The correct vernacular is "hanged". "Hung" is either describing my genitals or a page in a Chinese phone book.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

*sigh* Now why would i say that I have special insight?

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I have just described from one lexicon, another version of Cyclics "Matrix". It's only an illusion. Why is it only an Illusion? because it is built by other people, and not the own persons experience. those who live within this matrix will never tap into their own potential. because of a stupid four letter word: fear.

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You're making broad statements about reality without a shred of proof or reasoning. This is arrogant and intellectually cowardly.

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Originally Posted by really

What reason for discussion apart from to have a discussion? What reason for communication apart from its benefits?
Discussions are more useful when understanding their inherent limitations. Shutting them off completely is ignorant.

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Resons for discussion; mutual development, self-awareness, relationship growth, enlightenment, entertainment, etc.

Of course shutting them off is ignorant. What an interesting two sentences to have together. You're saying that we should remember the limitations and futility of discussions, but also keep them going. Do you see the non sequitor nature..?

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Context. Everything to which it applies. Illusions do not apply to true reality, they are within true reality. Without knowing illusions there is no true reality. If anybody said all things were illusions, then that means all things are illusions and not non-things. Despite this, it is relative to awareness.

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And just how do you know that the "true reality" does not fall under another illusion like you have stated the previous one as being? This logic can be applied to every subsequent "reality" or "truth".

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Please point out the pointlessness

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+ Everything is an illusion
+ There is no point in talking because of our limitations
= Everything is pointless

That is really it. How you deviate from that, I do not yet see how.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

Hey O'nus is back! I was starting to think he had hung himself or something...

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I don't think I have seen any substantial contribution from you except ad hominems and sarcasm. Thanks for your contribution though, however inconsequential and insignificant it is.

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