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I'm sure it has nothing to do with his own power. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot
"Positions" can be just talk, but where you go to church for twenty years says a great deal about who you really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot
I am concerned with reality, not popularity contests or left wing talking points that have no touch with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot
Well, do you claim the Vietnam War was about the fight for freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Yes, but like I said, we withdrew too early because of political pressure within our country from people like you. The war supporters wanted to continue. However, we did win the overall war, which was the Cold War. We stopped Soviet conquest. I explained that earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
But we were supporting the regime of a vicious tyrant.
No, we were fighting against North Vietnam. They took over South Vietnam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
But the South Vietnamese dictator was worse than the North.
Yea, everyone seem's to ignore that we were protecting one dictatorship from another, yet to the world we were:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
"Protecting Democracy and stopping Communism"
Sorta like how were "Spreading Democracy" today with 1,000 pound bombs and napalm and bullets...I never knew you can bring democracy by killing everything.
Ngo Dinh Diem and his brothers that made up his cabinet modeled their marching style and torture style after Adolf Hitler. They were great admirers of nazi rulership and in fact incorporated many aspects of Hitler's style of rule with the rulership of South Vietnam, or "free Viietnam."
All I'm saying is its no wonder most of the country went communist, people usually only do when they're being oppressed by their current ruler. No wonder they were willing to die by the millions to revolutionize Vietnam. They were the ones fighting for freedom in this case. The United States was on the wrong side. It has nothing to do with Communist or Capitalist, it has to do with fighting for a better life, and that's what the Charlies were doing, even though their replacement was not so much better.
The fact that South Vietnam already had a terrible government was not reason for us to refrain from stopping Soviet expansion. That mission was about as important as stopping the Nazi conquest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Stopping Soviet Expansion should not be as important to an American as stopping somebody like Diem.
Just say No to Secret Police!
Was Diem trying to take over the world? How far did he get with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
I think your whole conspiracy theory about Soviet Domination is a little far fetched. I look at reality, most of the time. In reality, this place over here -------> the dictator that desrves to get his ass kicked more is the one doing more atrocious things to people.
The world is much bigger than any one of its places.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Just like how I am bigger than my thumb.
Good example. Now, which would be a bigger deal... somebody oppressing your thumb or somebody trying to take over and oppress your entire body?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
What I'm getting at is you don't understand the Cold War, you don't understand communism, and you don't know what you're talking about. This idea of Soviet Expansion is a conspiracy theory. Just because communist revolutions were ending up in the hands of dictators doesn't mean there was some conspiracy to take over the world.
Besides, the seeds for the destruction of the USSR can be seen in the very design of the economic system. All we did was provide enough arms competition that we put pressure on their economy to tip it over.
If you think Soviet expansion was not a reality, then you are just wrong. They took over countries for personal gain, and so did their puppet governments. What do you think the Vietnam War was about? The Soviet Union dominated Eastern Europe with communism. They were a threat to world freedom. This is not even subject to argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
That is exactly right. And why might we want to do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
I could see how people would like him because of his opinions on things but just because he's a POW that is just stupid. So in these people's minds if I became a POW and survived I would get there votes...Very interesting.
In Hungary there was a Communist revolution of leftist communists against their leader because he, like the Soviets and paid for by the Soviets, was a fascist in communist clothing. In the end, most communist movements ended up in the hands of fascists. It's why Western Europe and the United States perceived a Red Curtain closing around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Communism was popular, because it sounds really good, it got manipulated because Soviets were giving weapons to the puppet communists, but in fact it wasn't a Red Curtain at all, it just the fervor of the Working Class bent in the wrong direction.
The United States also had its own curtain it closed around the world, it's called mcDonalds, Nike and Dole. Yay for us, we support brutal dictators all over the world because their secret police take out anyone that might want to nationalize their industries!
Got my vote. lol, I was for McCain but I also understood that Obama is an extremely good speaker and has a fair chance running with him. Obama won, so obviously he proved it. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sandform