Would Obama Be a Shoe-In If He Were White?

I was watching CNN and the Cafferty files the other day. Cafferty posed a question for viewers to comment on his blog about -> "Will Obama's race cost him the white house?" He answered some responses on his show...they were averaged...half said no it won't cost him the white house and others regretfully said it just might. I'm more of an optimistic person and I like to think that America has progressed beyond such trivialities...but am I wrong? I'm interested in hearing your views on this. Vote now.

I think obamas race is a large part of why he will win. A lot of people(black and white) are gonna vote him just because he's black and theres never been a black president.

I disagree with that. I think that a majority of blacks are voting for Obama because he's black...excuse me...half black. But I don't think whites will vote for him for the same reason.

Not most of them, but some theres a lot of white people who I think feel bad about slavery etc.

But a large part of why obama was able to get so popular is because he's black. He's got so much damn media coverrage, theres no way mccain's gonna win. Especially with palin. That lady is absolutely insane.

I think his race helps, it makes him more interesting. Now if he'd only chosen Hillary as his running mate, THEN he'd be a shoe-in.

It might not be the deciding factor in his election but it will probably be the deciding factor in his assasination.

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Originally Posted by Xei

It might not be the deciding factor in his election but it will probably be the deciding factor in his assasination.

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The hicks that want to assassinate him are just that...hicks. Who probably don't know a lick of correct grammar but know how to operate a gun. I can't see them getting near Obama if/when he's elected in November.

Only problem is you don't have to be near to use a gun. Obama's gonna have to avoid grassy knolls for a while.

Good grammar isn't going to help them assasinate him though. Guns are. :|

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Originally Posted by Xei

Good grammar isn't going to help them assasinate him though. Guns are. :|

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I know...but my point being...the ones that are stupid enough to want to assassinate him based on his color...are obviously a few chocolate chips short of a cookie.

Indeed, but they're still just as dangerous... it can't be that hard to kill the president if you want to. Find out where he's going to be. Buy a sniper rifle and set it up some distance away. Then shoot him in the head.

You don't need many chocolate chips to pull that one off...

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Originally Posted by Xei

Indeed, but they're still just as dangerous... it can't be that hard to kill the president if you want to. Find out where he's going to be. Buy a sniper rifle and set it up some distance away. Then shoot him in the head.

You don't need many chocolate chips to pull that one off...

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If it was that easy to kill the president. Bush would've been 6 feet under several years ago.

Nope. Because people who want to kill bush realize that cheney is far more evil. Killing bush would do more harm than good. But killing obama would be the perfect way to incite a race riot.

Perhaps. But I still think you guys greatly under-estimate our secret service. Do you know why they wear shades 24/7? :hrm:

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Perhaps. But I still think you guys greatly under-estimate our secret service. Do you know why they wear shades 24/7? :hrm:

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To hide their cyborg eyes? O.o

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Originally Posted by Forsaken

To hide their cyborg eyes? O.o

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Lol close...but no cigar. Their eyes are trained to dart around at incredible speeds from trees to windows etc. And it's imperative noone see that.

Obama wouldn't be an egocentric idiot if he had picked Hillary, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Obama wouldn't be an egocentric idiot if he had picked Hillary, that's for sure.

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Thank god you're too young to vote. :?

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Obama wouldn't be an egocentric idiot if he had picked Hillary, that's for sure.

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HRC is as fake as Pamela Anderson's tits. That, and the sheer amount of vitriol that the Republican side has for her and the Clinton name would have made it far too difficult to get swing votes or even get some 'pubs to cross the floor and vote for him instead of McCain. I think you underestimate just how unlikeable Hillary is to half the population of the US.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Thank god you're too young to vote. :?

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Not like it matters.

The election of 2000 proves our vote doesn't count.

And anyway, the only reason Obama didn't pick hillary is because, when he won, people would say it was all hillary. He wanted full credit.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

And anyway, the only reason Obama didn't pick hillary is because, when he won, people would say it was all hillary. He wanted full credit.

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It's clear you know nothing about politics...again...thank god you're too young to vote. :?

All I know is that you all better vote for Alf.

We're all fucking doomed if we don't.

http://www.frikipedia.es/images/c/ce/Alf01.jpg
Alf '08
Vote Alf for real change.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

It's clear you know nothing about politics...again...thank god you're too young to vote. :?

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Instead of insulting me by throwing an insult towards me, why don't you actually try to back up your thoughts this time?

Barack is a fool. If he weren't then he a) wouldn't flollop and voon every time he thinks he "Picked the wrong side" (See: Every decision he's ever made) and b) would have picked Hillary as his running mate, which would ahve practically ensured him being elected, and getting the Democrats in the Whit House, etc...

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Instead of insulting me by throwing an insult towards me, why don't you actually try to back up your thoughts this time?

Barack is a fool. If he weren't then he a) wouldn't flollop and voon every time he thinks he "Picked the wrong side" (See: Every decision he's ever made) and b) would have picked Hillary as his running mate, which would ahve practically ensured him being elected, and getting the Democrats in the Whit House, etc...

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I didn't insult you. I made an evident and obvious statement which is irrefutably apparent to anyone reading your pseudo-political posts. And as far as Barack choosing Hilary, I agree that it probably would have been the better choice as far as polls are concerned and his "change campaign", but it wouldn't have been the perfect balance. Barack needed someone who could pass as John McCain's counterpart, someone who has more experience than he does. Someone older, much older. Joe Biden fit the bill. He's the democratic version of John McCain. And McCain needed someone who was Obama's counterpart. Someone young, vigorous, and someone who represented change itself. Therefore he chose someone the exact same age as Barack - Sarah Palin. By choosing Palin, he has neutralized Obama's "Change and hope" speeches. Had Barack of chosen Hilary...it's very likely McCain would NOT of chosen Palin. Afterall...what's Alaska to him? He doesn't need it to win. All in all I think Obama's choice was the most appropriate choice...but not the most popular. Don't confuse the two.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I didn't insult you. I made an evident and obvious statement which is irrefutably apparent to anyone reading your pseudo-political posts. And as far as Barack choosing Hilary, I agree that it probably would have been the better choice as far as polls are concerned and his "change campaign", but it wouldn't have been the perfect balance. Barack needed someone who could pass as John McCain's counterpart, someone who has more experience than he does. Someone older, much older. Joe Biden fit the bill. He's the democratic version of John McCain. And McCain needed someone who was Obama's counterpart. Someone young, vigorous, and someone who represented change itself. Therefore he chose someone the exact same age as Barack - Sarah Palin. By choosing Palin, he has neutralized Obama's "Change and hope" speeches. Had Barack of chosen Hilary...it's very likely McCain would NOT of chosen Palin. Afterall...what's Alaska to him? He doesn't need it to win. All in all I think Obama's choice was the most appropriate choice...but not the most popular. Don't confuse the two.

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Very interesting topic here. As far as running mates are concerned, I think you nailed it on the head.
Seismo, adding Hil to the Barack team may have been powerful at attracting the elites, but Barack is interested in gaining the support of his own people-
The people who did not have anything handed to them, whose parents overcame struggles and loss of home, who are still fighting to support themselves as "middle class" americans.
The elites currently are in almost exclusive control.
Hilary comes from that elitist society. Take a look at her professional experience prior to politics- she helped run companies like Wal-Mart, literally the largest pub corporation in the world by revenue.
Hilary would attract the powerful people who run companies like this. The people who currently run the country.
Barack wants to attract the workers- the people who RUN the machine that the elites profit from, while the middle and lower classes struggle to buy groceries
Here's a fun, verifiable fact about Sarah Palin btw- she is not anti-tax as she says. As mayor of Wasilla, she raised the tax of GROCERIES to pay for a new indoor sporting arena. Meanwhile, the average price of groceries has risen 6%.

I've worked hard for everything I have. My father told me that if there was something I wanted, I would have to work for it. And everythin I ever worked for, I shared what I could.

I will NOT vote to further the status quo in which the powerful corporations perform wage slavery while cutting benefits for me and my family. Nowadays, the longer you work for a company, the less benefits you get. Today, the longer our children are in school, the less extracurricular, mind and body developing activities are available. Less music, less art, less sports, less care.
Meanwhile, exxon-mobil turn more than 30 BILLION in profit- and that is PER MONTH. Gas prices continue to rise, the rich get richer$$$$

And for the elites, the CEOs of wal mart and exxon mobil and macdonalds, things COULD NOT GET BETTER.

Our families break down not because of the drug epidemic, but because of the corporate epidemic. Our children are raised by yugi-oh!, Mtv, by and under-paid, uncompassionate teachers receiving less and less support.

No wonder we're losing control.

No joke, depending on the policies and direction of the next administration- that is, if we as a govermemt and a people do not regain focus on human and societal and familial development, and lose our focus on selfish corporatistic self preservation; if we do not begin to react with love and logic instead of only fear and distrust...

I WILL be finding another part of the world to develop myself. :)

Sorry about that rant there, I kinda got carried away.

As for whether or not baracks race will lose him the presidency, I really can't say. I live in California, and I think we're quite open minded as far as black/white is concerned, but I'm disappointed with the increasing californian/mexican hate.
I think its also foolish of me to assume that the rest of the country is as "progressive" (if u can call it that) as CA in regards to race. I think that there are many more people who will be affected by the obvious neo-con fear tactics-- use of his middle name, rumors of islam, socialist/"most left wing senator" kinda stuff.

My dad is pretty logical, but conservative, and he falls into that kind of thinking, and it amazes me, especially since its all been disproved, aside from the ridiculousness of the idea, that he would believe in some sort of islamo-conspiracy

Anyway, I'm done ranting for now I promise

If anyone didn't notice, we live in a controlled dictator ship. We are not living in a democracy. Sorry to say.

You got a choice between, obama, or mc bush.

4 more years of bush, or 4 years of obama who's at least doing his best to try to change a corrupt government.

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

If anyone didn't notice, we live in a controlled dictator ship. We are not living in a democracy. Sorry to say.

You got a choice between, obama, or mc bush.

4 more years of bush, or 4 years of obama who's at least doing his best to try to change a corrupt government.

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I agree. Though nowhere in our constitution does it mention our government being founded on democracy. It's a constitutional republic.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I was watching CNN and the Cafferty files the other day. Cafferty posed a question for viewers to comment on his blog about -> "Will Obama's race cost him the white house?" He answered some responses on his show...they were averaged...half said no it won't cost him the white house and others regretfully said it just might. I'm more of an optimistic person and I like to think that America has progressed beyond such trivialities...but am I wrong? I'm interested in hearing your views on this. Vote now.

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If Obama were white, none of us would have ever heard of him.

As much as I trash Obama because he sucks so bad, I do see value in the fact that a black person has gone so far in politics. That much by itself is a great thing. For the first time in American history, a major party's presidential candidate is black. That alone is progress. However, I think it is really unfortunate that it has to be somebody with so little experience and such an unproven record on top of being so personally involved with people who absolutely despise the United States and have even attacked us. It is too bad that when we finally reach an age where a black person can be a major presidential candidate, it has to be somebody like that. Not only will he most likely not be elected. If he is elected, he will be an embarrassment and will make it much harder for black people to be major candidates in upcoming decades. If somebody like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, or Walter Williams had reached the level instead, I would consider it much greater progress and would know that their potential presidencies could open the big door and make it stay open permanently. An Obama presidency would just close the door back and lock it for a while.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I agree. Though nowhere in our constitution does it mention our government being founded on democracy. It's a constitutional republic.

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Yeah who came up with the idea that we live in a democracy?

The only real democracy i know of was ancient greece....

As said before, I don't think it will cost him the race, but it might cost him his life. :(

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I agree. Though nowhere in our constitution does it mention our government being founded on democracy. It's a constitutional republic.

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More specifically, a Constitutional Demorepublic.

i.e. People vote, but the people you vote for make all the real decisions.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

More specifically, a Constitutional Demorepublic.

i.e. People vote, but the people you vote for make all the real decisions.

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Yeah, what i said, a controlled dictatorship.

We control what dictator we want every year.

Hm.

The president only has the power of Veto and the ability to declare a national emergency, though.

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

Yeah who came up with the idea that we live in a democracy?

The only real democracy i know of was ancient greece....

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Switzerland

Switzerland doesn't count.

Switzerland could be a Totalitarian Communist Republic and everyone would still simply like their choclolate and clocks.

I'm glad to see this thread's poll option "No" is ahead by a landslide. I'm also glad to see Obama rise in the polls as McBush falls in them. Today is a great day. -says that while propping feet up on desk and drinking a cup of coffee while channel surfing-

I, regretfully, think it will cost him the race. I think I read somewhere recently that McCain had passed him in votes or something. Unfortunately, there are still quite a few racists in our country. I know where I live in the country there are quite a few racists. I really do hope Obama wins though, I don't agree with some of McCain's views and I really don't like that Palin character.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Switzerland doesn't count.

Switzerland could be a Totalitarian Communist Republic and everyone would still simply like their choclolate and clocks.

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Direct Democracy in the Federal Republic of Switzerland

Pretty much the closest thing to a true democracy the modern world has.

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Originally Posted by Wiki

By calling a federal referendum a group of citizens may challenge a law that has been passed by Parliament, if they can gather 50,000 signatures against the law within 100 days. If so, a national vote is scheduled where voters decide by a simple majority whether to accept or reject the law. Eight cantons together can also call a referendum on a federal law.

Similarly, the federal constitutional initiative allows citizens to put a constitutional amendment to a national vote, if they can get 100,000 voters to sign the proposed amendment within 18 months. Parliament can supplement the proposed amendment with a counter-proposal, with voters having to indicate a preference on the ballot in case both proposals are accepted. Constitutional amendments, whether introduced by initiative or in Parliament, must be accepted by a double majority of both the national popular vote and a majority of the cantonal popular votes.

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The Patriot Act wouldn't have lasted 24 hours under this system of government. If I ever get fed up with Australia's pandering to the US in the future, this is the place I'm moving to.