UM, was that first guy you? :tongue:
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UM, was that first guy you? :tongue:
Good to know that McCain isn't quite as stupid as the people supporting him.
He's still stupid, he's just not a bad guy.
Yeah, but not as stupid.
Man people are stupid. :)
You don't have to like him, but you don't have to flame him every chance you get, it's uncalled for imo.
Good for McCain!
Ben's family is voting for Obama, but I couldn't care less either way. Neither candidate seems particularly interested in helping out the Earth; rather, they're each full of different short-term solutions to petty human issues... But good luck to them both this coming election!
He really couldn't have handled it any other way, especially with the Arab comment. You let that kind of thing slide and the news would have been all over you.
I don't get that, ninja-- Obama does have ties to admitted domestic terrorists who don't give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
EXACTLY. Some people are under the impression that McCain is a "good guy" etc. for refuting that Arab comment. Wtf was he supposed to do? Say "Hell yes!"? That lady put him in a bad position. His negative campaign had already started letting out a barrage of negative remarks days before that crazy lady made that Arab comment anyway. McCain's aide even said the only way to win this right now is just to go negative. However, if he had agreed with that bat shit lady it would have guaranteed Obama's seat in the white house. McCain refuting her statement and toning down the crowd (after he and Palin ramped it up anyway to begin with) doesn't give him any more good marks on his character profile then "kissing babies" do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alextanium
With all that being said, I have no doubt in my mind that McCain is a respectable man of honor. But c'mon people...this is "bottom of the ninth, bases loaded" time in the race to the white house...both campaigns can't afford to pull punches.
This is the kind of thing that could make me vote for McCain (not that I will). He just doesn't seem like other Republicans. I think I'd like him a lot more if the real him wasn't masked by what his campagin managers make him out to be. At least that's the sense I get.
-says in po'dunk country voice- Oh well shucks he's just a maverick, getting all mavericky on errbody I s'pose...Quote:
Originally Posted by John11
Yeah. I was thinking that after I wrote it. God I hate that word...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
Lol. Maverick.Quote:
Originally Posted by John11
Here's a fun fact. The ancestors of Samuel Maverick (the guy who the word originated from) commented on CNN the other day saying they are sorely upset with the McCain/Palin abuse of the word. They have a website called "the original maverick" or "the real maverick" I forget.
I'm no fan of McCain, but those responses seemed genuine.
I see a familiar trend with a lot of things. Any video posted that shows an extraordinary feat, an amazing talent or a hilarious situation is always called "Fake" by more than a few. As if these events can't happen at any time.
Every thing is in someway related to a conspiracy to a good number of people. Ranging from the elections, to our drinking water, to the sky, to space, to the ads you see on TV, to the comedians who talk at your local club. Its as if there is no room for coincidence, opinions or anything unless its related to a big secret or someone out to get you.
Once you tear down one fake, everything you see is "fake."
Once you see one conspiracy, everything you see is a conspiracy.
I think its the same Syndrome now with McCain. People let their views and biases cloud there judgment, as if its impossible for McCain to say anything good or make even a single good point.
One can claim "If he didn't do that, the media would tear him apart." Does it really matter? Because he did do it, you people are tearing him apart. It makes no difference, the man is trapped between a rock and a hard place. There's no winning in this world.
It's the same for Obama in the case of McCain supporters. But the fact of the matter is, how hard is it to believe he was honest about that point?
Palin is the one who's been advocating the fact that Obama is a "terrorist," and hasn't even tried to calm down her crowds when they would say such things in-front of her.
How hard is it to believe that McCain the initiative to quell the bullcrap that these people are spouting to him?
Again, I don't agree with McCain, but he has at least some decency in him. I enjoy watching people make him out to be as if theres no shred of human decency in him, as if hes pure evil and the devil incarnite, meanwhile condemning the McCain supporters who say the same about Obama.
The hypocrisy of people astounds me.
So because McCain says Obama is not a terrorist, and that Obama is not an Arab, hes playing the media and therefore those statements make him an intolerant human being.
While we're at it, lets talk about how he said Obama is a good person after someone called Obama an Arab. He must be implying that all Arabs are bad people. Shit, Burn him at the stakes!
This is why I don't vote. There is no room for the thinking man. Its those who are extreme supporters that make the results. Everyone else's vote is useless.
I agree with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
You strike up good points Exobyte and I would be inclined to agree with them, however...being so close as this election is and given the fast approach of Nov. 4th...I'm MORE inclined to think that any move, phrase, comment being said by both campaigns have "political point scale" agenda's behind them. Why didn't McCain speak out when one of his supporters screamed out "Terrorist!" during a rally? Or even more recent, when one of his supporters screamed out "Kill him!" when the topic was on Obama during a rally? On CNN, they said that McCain and Palin have every right to have those persons removed from the rally. Infact, an FBI investigation is being done into those who screamed out "Kill him!" during the rally...not being done by McCain. But Arab...Arab had to be the straw that broke the camel's back? Don't forget this is the man who went on t.v. saying he's halting his campaign to go figure out this bailout deal and canceled his interview with Letterman because he said and I quote "We're going to go save the country". Where did he end up going? Not back to Washington as he told Letterman he had to go to, but to a CBS interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
Look, my point on the matter is that...if he wanted to gain "points" with people and play up his self-proclaimed "maverick" status then he's doing a damn good job of it. These tactics aren't exclusive to McCain either. McCain's job is to do whatever it takes to turn the tide of the current polls, and Obama's job is to stay ahead in the polls. Had the roles of been reversed, you'd probably be seeing similar ploys from Obama. As I said before, I have no doubt in my mind that McCain is a decent, honorable great man. He's fought for our country and is a true warrior...but this isn't a war he's fighting in and he's not in a prison camp...this is an election and we know how dirty, conniving, left-winged, right-winged those can get. Lest we forget that BOTH campaigns have run smear ads to sway voters? What makes you think that they can't simply turn it around and say good things to do the same thing? If I were in McCain's shoes or any senator or governor that was running for presidency and the race was not falling in my favor and we had 20+ days till the big day...every word I say in the public, every smile I made, my body language all of them would reflect my ultimate intent. In politics, voters leave very little room for error.
Aren't you Canadian? :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
He only defended Obama in order not to get stigamtised as a Racist. That lady was bad for his reputation. He dissociated from her uncompromising, unintelligent, boldly racist statements to save his own political carreer. I'm guessing he probably agreed with her, but acted as if he opposed her view in order to not become the next American Political scandal.
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Originally Posted by ninja9578
We have our elections coming up, and it's no different here. More subtle maybe, but the same logic applies.
A well-written paraphrased version of what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKA
what else would he have said. really cmon guys. he wasn't defending obama he was just trying to down play the racist propaganda put out by his own campaign.
lets be real here. I'm not saying mcain isnt honorable im just saying that this doesn't make him honorable.
What is he going to say?
"I agree with my running mate palin in that Obama has terrorist ties and is an arab and that this country will be infiltrated by an arab and he will hand this country over to the terrorists"
Thats what palin suggested!
Look its palin who said that "Obama cohorts with terrorists" so don't give him any credit. He wasn't gonna be like hey
"You should be scared. He will destroy this country and he is imoral and is the spawn of satan"
That's what a lot of his supporters want him to say. They say he's not doing enough to bring this kind of thing into the light. Of course they don't realize that most people with any sense don't give a crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by aceofspades
There is a way to legally count your vote as a no-vote or a protest vote.
Around here, right when they give you the ballot you give it back and say something along the lines of "I refuse this ballot"
If enough people do this, BOOM goes the corrupt system.... hopefully.
I see a striking similarity between this and what Obama did with Reverend Wright. How does this make McCain worse than Obama, if what you say is even the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKA
The only big differences I see here are the fact that Wright was both Obama's friend and mentor, and that Wright was not only racist but extremely anti-American.
You watch too much fox news. 80% of Wright's church is comprised of white people.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
So that suddenly makes what he said un-racist? I think you're missing the point. I was only arguing that McCain's situation was not dissimilar from Obama's, other than the fact that that was some random lady and Wright was Obama's friend and mentor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
Besides, I'm getting pretty sick of everyone acting as if they know. You really have no idea what's going on in McCain's mind. Where do you come off saying that he was just trying to save his own ass, instead of meaning what he said? And even if that's what he did, then I have every much as right to say that Obama tried to save his own ass by disassociating himself from both Wright and Ayers. In fact, he did. There, it's set in stone. http://www.modacity.net/forums/style...xtra/downs.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxMQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
80%
lololololololololol
Fair enough. However, If you had read my earlier post thoroughly...you'd of picked up the point where I said Obama would do whatever it takes to secure his seat in the white house just as McCain is doing now. That's where I come off. http://www.modacity.net/forums/style...xtra/downs.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by snoop
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Originally Posted by Seismosaur
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us...ll&oref=sloginQuote:
Followers were also drawn simply by Mr. Wright’s appeal. Trinity has 8,500 members today, making it the largest American congregation in the United Church of Christ, a mostly white denomination known for the independence of its congregations and its willingness to experiment with traditional Protestant theology.
I heard this on CNN and the figures aren't in this article I just posted, however that's something. It's possible I misinterpreted what was being said though.
The irony of the Wright thing is this, Obama is not black he is mixed race. I pretty sure Obama does not share Wright views, ironic still that before this people were saying is Obama black enough.
Ayers has been debunk, and people are forgetting McCain role in Keeting five.
Back too the topic in hand. McCain proberly did that because he didn't go up in the polls, so he realized that going negative won't win him the election. So he trying to talk about the economy now, which I think he is also doomed to failure.
Having people say "Kill him" makes McCain seem racist and irrational. Compared too Obama being calm and collective.
I'm pretty sure Obama going to win big, as he is about 10 points ahead of McCain.
He'd be even further ahead if half the county weren't racist bigots. I'm not saying that all republicans are racist bigots, but the ones that turn out to those rallies sure aren't helping their image at all.
Yes. Vote for Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or Ralph Nader. None of them matter, but you officially don't vote for McBush or Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by arby
You could also write-in a vote for someone. I recommend either Clairity or Bob Barker.
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Originally Posted by ninja9578
If elected.. I would not serve! I don't want to have to try to sort out this mess! (it's too much of a "no win"/ "damned if you do.. damned if you don't" situation) :P
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