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A time for :banana::banana::banana:?
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Or :cry: :cry: :cry: :mad: :mad: :mad: :shakehead2: :shakehead2: :shakehead2: :shakehead2: ????
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What do you think, DV?
Personally, now I'm getting out of this country once I turn 18. Anyone go to Queens University in Canada?
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYAYAYAY!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grod
*celebration*
:dance:
Oh great he won just because he promised change, do people still beleive in the goverments empty empty promises.....
Unfortunately, we might get the nightmare policies Obama promised. Then again, we might find out that Obama was just talking out of his ass the whole time. I very much hope he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamhope11
Alright guys got anymore trash? You know it's garbage day today we finished the election.
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Yeah, Obama won the election. That last drop of faith in humanity I had was making me believe it could not happen, but it did. Thus, the last drop is gone. What a dysfunctional world.
Not surprising at all. I am not really happy about it, but I hated mccian as well. I guess we will have to settle for four more years of crap. Only good thing is that maybe it will knock some sense into republicans and they will nominate Ron Paul next time.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Never
GOBAMA!!!! History in the making baby!!!
That's right Obama is soon history. Soon as we finish with him he's going in the garbage.
The nation won't collapse because of Obama. Neither will it go through monumental changes. In four years, the nation will look similar to how it would have looked if McCain had had those same four years...
They are just different degrees of socialcapitalist Republicrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
I often wish we could have two presidents, one for foreign policy and one for domestic policy. I would be very gung-ho about a Ron Paul domestic policy presidency.
I wonder if any black people voted for mc cain... Doubt it..
"Twice as many of those polled Tuesday said age was an important factor in their vote as those who said race was. "
"Those who said race was an important factor voted 55 percent to 44 percent in favor of Obama. But Obama also was the winner by a similar margin among those who said race was not important, "which suggests that race was not a decisive factor in this election," Schneider said."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ef=mpstoryview
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Even if you happen to disagree with Obama's policies, as an American you should still be grateful that you don't have to be ashamed to tell someone your country of origin anymore because it elected a complete imbecile into office, twice. I know that politics should be about policies and whatnot, but McCain always acts confused and like he doesn't know where he is and Palin is a gullible moron with no knowledge of anything relevant. Even if you loved their policies, you'd probably be better off voting a potato salad into office than those two.
Go Obama!
Palin/thePlumber in 2012!
I am disgusted with the Republicans for nominating John McCain. They are obsessed with nominating verbal pansie ass wimps. Bob Dole against Bill Clinton? WTF??? George W. Bush against anybody???? Well, he got into the presidency by the skin of his teeth. John McCain against used car salesman of the year? It is not working. The Republicans are going to have to put up champion debaters with articulation superskills if they want to win elections. The Democrats consistently nominate Smooth Mr. Cool while the Republicans consistently nominate soft spoken Mr. Nice Guy the Mumbler. The average American dumb ass is going to be much more drawn to Smooth Mr. Cool than to Mr. Nice Guy the Mumbler no matter what. It is how things work, unfortunately. The Republicans better wake up to that problem.
Thanks to the guy with the chunky American weapons in his signature. (Y)Quote:
Thanks.
At the very least he hugely improves America's foreign image because of his race and name. Kenya made it a national holiday.
At the best though, he sounds like a very impressive person with a strong and moral vision.
And he's not another Bush, or a potential ignorant lunatic.
Smooth talking is one thing, but being reasonably smart is another. Sure, you wanna elect politicians, not scientists, but still you don't wanna elect idiots that are the laughing stock of the world. I don't even understand how that works. McCain is borderline acceptable for his age, but Palin is just fucking braindead. How did she get nominated? It's like some sort of a bad joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Making fun of politicians is probably important for democracy or whatever but if it's like getting a laugh out of a cat trying to catch it's own shadow because it's too dense in the head then something's wrong with your country. There are probably ways to make fun of Obama but you won't be left thinking how such a moron got to be the president of anything, let alone an international superpower.
Yes...surely this means I am stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
....and my AK is Romanian. :P
Sorry, it just brought to mind that classic Palin image which she projected...
I wasn't being serious. :P
Yeah exactly. That alone would have been enough for me to never have voted for McCain. The probability of Palin getting in would have been about 50%...Quote:
McCain is borderline acceptable for his age, but Palin is just fucking braindead. How did she get nominated? It's like some sort of a bad joke.
Yeah, I tried picturing Palin meeting with Putin, Merkel or Brown or someone like that. It was painful, just painful.
Agreed. Obama's president for 4 years folks. Deal with it and look forward to major changes. It's imperative we hold him accountable for his promises. But nevertheless...historic day for change, ALL people of color, the youth in america (people of all ages really), people from all walks of life, reform, and the world!! Remember remember the fifth of November!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
:breakitdown::rolllaugh::party: GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :breakitdown::rolllaugh::party:
Ask anyone that voted for Obama. The main problem with all the republican nominees since Bush Sr. is that they're fucking morons, or they associate with morons. I mean, just watch any debate or speech from this past election. Obama always comes off as smart and articulate, and both McCain and Palin just look like idiots. In the last month they didn't even talk about their platforms. All they talked about was how Obama would either raise taxes or bomb the Pentagon. Well guess what, that shit ONLY works on people like you, who always vote republican. But it does NOT sway independents one bit. Independents want a person in the white house with substance, not just a walking ball of baseless accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
First of all, I don't always vote for Republicans, so you can call off that assholishness right about now. Second of all, your post is case in point. Obama's smooth articulation fools you into thinking he is smarter than McCain and Palin. You even think McCain's lack of smoothness is a showing of stupidity. THAT is the stupid shit I am talking about, and the Republicans need to take it into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
McCain and Palin are worlds from stupid, and neither one of them said Obama was going to bomb the Pentagon. You need to learn to pay better attention to important shit. They also talked in great detail about their own policies. They just didn't charm you enough. Your post spells that out.
Of course Palin is stupid. How on Earth did you miss that?
She didn't know what the fucking Bush Doctrine is. She completely fails to even form one coherent sentence when questioned without a script. How can anybody so ignorant be remotely appropriate for the position of most powerful person in the world?
Oh shut up please. UM, remember the bet? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
Uhh McCain's class rank was 894 of 899, no college education, and is 72. He picked Sarah Palin as vice president, which attributed to his loss.. now thats stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
You're a evil bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
The Bush Doctrine has many tenets concerning many types of things, so the question she was asked was unclear. Not saying one coherent sentence? You are just lying there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Grades are not a direct measure of intelligence, and Sarah Palin is great in many ways. McCain is a bad politician and was a screw off in college, but he is not a stupid person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamworld
:lol: No, what was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamworld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgMWhrCzbdkQuote:
The Bush Doctrine has many tenets concerning many types of things, so the question she was asked was unclear. Not saying one coherent sentence? You are just lying there.
She totally didn't anwser the question. Seriously, how can you have not have heard of the Bush doctrine, its like she don't read newspapers. Wait a minaute Palin can't name one newspaper she reads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y
I didn't know the bail out was about healthcare reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec
I agree with John Cleese when he calls Palin a parrot.
Alot of people are blaming Palin for making McCain lose the election. Although, she rallied up the base, she also turned alot of independents away from Republicans.Quote:
Grades are not a direct measure of intelligence, and Sarah Palin is great in many ways. McCain is a bad politician and was a screw off in college, but he is not a stupid person.
The American public trusted you're theory about grades are not a direct measure of intelligence, and then were in a recession.
Palin/Joe 2012.Quote:
The Republicans are going to have to put up champion debaters with articulation superskills if they want to win elections.
Oh, yeah you said something like McCain is going to win and to wait and see, something about Hillary was a pushover and that the real fight has began and Obama is going to lose.Quote:
No, what was it?
Just to shoot a few more CC's of reality into the above post, I'll add: "However, we might end up finding out that Obama's leadership and his policies are exactly what this country needs. We might also find (as if it were ever right to assume the opposite) that his controversial associations were purely benign, and he is the good man and proud American that he says he is."Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Whether you want to admit it or not, these are all possibilities. I honestly can't see how you can crucify the man so much for things he has not already done, and be so precognitive as to damn him for the feasibility of policies that haven't even been put into place yet.
Smooth talking is nice... but I like policies more. Yeah baby!! We won!!!! Obama 08!
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Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranma187
In that last shot, where he's laughing at the gun, he looks like a young Hugh Jackman. I had to watch it again just to make sure it wasn't him. :chuckle:
Full version of the amazing video:
Hahahaha. How that little gem slid through, without like 6 Oscars, I'll never understand. :rolllaugh:
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Originally Posted by Oneironaut
that's nothing than the superb acting from troll 2. what you are about to see is 10 times better than any acting alec baldwin could do.
I thought this crap would stop after the election. :(
Anyways, yes! Obama's going to be president! And no amount of name-calling and false accusations is going to change that. :banana:
Silly Rabbit. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by suttsman
Obama reminds me of Kennedy.
The only reason obama was elected is because:-
1.He is black, and all the black americans voted for him because of that.
2.He made empty promises of change, using the economic downturn to his advantage..
3.McCain was too old anyway so they voted for the younger guy
4.That crazy palin women who was stark raving mad about hockey moms was a living example of a stereotypical american spoilt women..
There and im not even american so why the hell do i care??:shock:
Reloads and takes aim :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ClassyElf
I wanted to nominate Ron Paul but I wasn't old enough... the media never gave any attention to him. Also he had "crazy" ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Ron Paul agian...Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
95% of blacks were for Obama. Those statistics were from somewhere... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dreamhope11
Obama said he wasn't going to raise taxes for people who aren't insanly rich... but he's going to let some tax cuts Bush gave expire with will raise us 3,000 dollars. If were such a rich family, why can't I go to a better college? Not that the cheapest University in the state isn't pretty good, but to afford an out of state college with more psychological options would have been awesome. I mean my grades are pretty good, my highschool GPA isn't 4.00, only 3.82 or something, but my college gpa is 4.00 (I got a year and a half of college done though community college, it's cheaper that way). But enough ranting... a Libetarian policy will base taxes more on what you spend not what you earn, and privitize Social Security, why should you have to go to the Goverment trying to beg back your money? I don't like many of Obama's policys, but as long as I can still afford my cheap ass college I'llbe happy.
Look, I already showed you, age played a greater factor than race did, at least according to CNN's exit polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamhope11
And way to stereotype an entire race. Did all White Americans vote for McCain?
1) We've had plenty of black men run for president in the past and fail miserably, even when it came to black support. The idea that all black people vote for someone just because they are black is simply not true, and shows how little you actually understand the black community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamhope11
2) How do you know they were empty promises? He hasn't even gotten into office yet. Don't state your assumptions as fact.
3) That one's true enough.
4) That's true, too.
And you forgot #5 - "All things being considered, Obama was simply the better candidate for the time. Obviously the American people thought so, or it wouldn't have been a complete landslide."
There is nothing wrong with my "damning" him for being so so so tight with terrorists and other despisers of our country. It is not like they are people he merely talked to for five minutes at a football game. We also know that "spreading the wealth" hurts economies, and we are on the edge of another great depression. I did not make up any of that. Electing Barack Obama could turn out to be the most dangerous thing the American electorate has ever done, ever. I say that not just because of the shakiness of who Barack Obama might be. I say it because we are on the edge of terrible disaster and because of what we already know about who Barack Obama is. This was no time for screwing around. I am in no less shock than I was in this time yesterday. This is the biggest WTF I have ever seen. You might agree with me in a few years. Let's hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
OMG Obama is a terrorist! The terrorists have a sleeper cell in the white house! He's gonna launch nukes on Nebraska!Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Like it is irrelevant. :roll: Don't even attempt that. If John McCain had been a friend and public speaking partner of Osama Bin Laden after 9/11, there is no way you would not have seen it as a big deal. Would a close McCain association with David Duke have been relevant in your eyes? Uh, yeah. Don't even try to rationalize away from the relevance of the Ayers association. Same goes for the Wright association. This is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
We need a president who is passionately against terrorism, and we are not going to have one for at least four years, starting in January. If we have another terrorist attack on our soil, I don't think you are going to be too glad Obama is the president. Remember that what we are talking about is REALITY.
On another note...I just lost all respect for Dr. Ron Paul. All respect.
Why?
Im not judging black people but i can't imagine them voting for mccain.
You are judging black people. There are fiscally conservative republican african americans. About 3% of black people did not infact support Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamhope11
Edit: I just wasn't one of them :P And on another note, this is a ginormous monumental event for black people but it's also one for people of all color. Latinos were crying at Grant Park being interviewed saying how they are happy to see a man of color in the white house. An asian CNN reporter remarked how she is elated to see someone of color in the white house as well. But I don't think this is just "people of color are the only ones that should feel proud" kind of thing. It's a triumph for everyone because a candidate of change has just entered the white house.
On November 4th, "Yes we can!" became "Yes we did!".
Change is not always good. Some changes are disasters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
I think it is awesome that a black person got elected president. That factor in a vacuum kicks ass. It is an enormous milestone in American history. Hopefully it will reduce the perception that the United States is a mostly racist country. It obviously is not any more. I love that. However, I think it sucks that Barack Obama was elected president. He was the wrong person for breaking the barrier.
Why did you lose respect for Ron Paul?
Obama gave a pro-Ayers speech in Ayers' living room after Ayers bombed the Pentagon, Capitol building, and NYC Police Headquarters and admitted to it. Ayers got Obama's political career off the ground. Ayers and Obama were partners in public speaking and served on boards together after the attacks. Ayers is unrepentant for his terrorist attacks to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serkat
Now read the same thing with some names changed.
McCain gave a pro-Osama speech in Osama's living room after Osama bombed the Pentagon and the World Trade Center and admitted to it. Osama got McCain's political career off the ground after those attacks. Osama and McCain were partners in public speaking and served on boards together after the attacks. Osama is unrepentant for his terrorist attacks to this day.
Get it?
I get it. You think Obama is a terrorist becausehe's blackI meanhe's not evangelicalI mean he was once acquaintances with a domestic terrorist.
UM is one of the most anti-religion people on this board...:?
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
Try again.Give it up. Your ass must really be hurting after pulling so much out of it.
By your reasoning, you were against McCain because he had a woman for a running mate. Do you really want to play this stupid game?
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Originally Posted by Grod
Drew just isn't intellectually honest enough to make legitimate points.
By your reasoning, should we think McCain would be terrible since he was more than likely kin to someone, or was friends with someone that does drugs, or has murdered someone in their past? Everyone makes mistakes, Obama being friends with Ayers was a mistake, what's it matter? I have friends that are hardcore druggies, does that mean I'm going to go shoot up heroin and stay blitzed out of my mind every day? No. I'm sure I'm kin to someone that's killed someone, does that mean I'm going to start killing people? No. Just because you're friends with someone that makes bad/horrible choices doesn't mean you're going to, and doesn't mean you're exactly like them either. It's like the question, "Will you jump off a bridge if your friend does?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
That does not even come close, except for the friends with a murderer part. And a mere murderer is not the same as somebody who committed terrorist attacks on the U.S. government. Anybody with a close personal and political bond like that makes a terrible president, especially during the war on terror. I can't believe I need to explain this to anybody. It is so mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by nitsuJ
I want somebody to address my McCain/Osama paragraph and tell me in total seriousness you would not have a problem with that. Who wants to be first?
Would you jump off a bridge if your friend told you to, or jumped off himself, Universal Mind?
Of course I'd have a problem with McCain being with Osama, I had a problem with Obama being with Ayers, but just because I have a problem with someone doesn't mean I don't think they're able to do a job, I think Obama is more fit for the presidency than McCain.
The last time I checked, we're able to change. Just because Obama was friends with Ayers, and supported him at one time, doesn't mean he still has to, or will still support him. I was making a point in my last post, just because your friends do something doesn't mean you have to do the same thing, just because Ayers committed terrorist acts doesn't mean Obama will, and doesn't mean that he condones it now. Everyone makes mistakes, Obama isn't some perfect human.
I have never said Obama is therefore automatically a terrorist himself, and I keep clarifying that I never said it. I said he cannot be trusted with the presidency because he is not passionately enough against terrorism. Also, Obama has a significant likelihood of supporting terrorists STILL. That is a problem. I never said people automatically do what their friends do or tell them to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by nitsuJ
If a presidential candiate was as intimate with Bin Laden after 9/11 as Obama was with Ayers, you would be going off about how electing him is out of the question, so long as he's not a Democrat.
And we're all saying that you're a fucking moron for thinking that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I would like to see you argue it instead of just asserting it like an intellectual cup cake. You are a fucking moron for not knowing my main point on it (which you have yet to even address) and for not knowing the difference between stating something and expressing significant possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
Now give me a real argument. You can start by taking me up on the Osama/McCain paragraph challenge. Let's see what you can do.
Why would any American who is not a radical muslim support terrorism? The burden of proof is on you here, since when is it reasonable to expect anybody to be a terrorist until they can prove otherwise?
Anyway, doesn't Obama want to increase the push in Afghanistan? You know, that place where all the terrorists are?
William Ayers was never a radial Muslim, yet he is a terrorist who attacked the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I am not saying it proves Obama is definitely a terrorist.Do I really need to clarify it again?
How about analyzing my McCain/Osama paragraph and what the implications would be if it were real? It is getting dodged like a dodgeball.
I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. Why do you? There is no telling what he will and won't do as a politician who acts on the political stage, but I know where his heart is and is not. I think you do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
http://thenitza.home.comcast.net/~th...all%5B1%5D.png
Let me know when you have an on-point response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
America is considered as a terrorist nation to some parts of the world, so should Obama be against America since that'd help him be against terrorism?
Just because one of Obama's friends was a terrorist, doesn't mean he's going to be a bad president.
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Originally Posted by nitsuJ
Yes very good, the political climate's changed a bit since then. Is that the only terrorist you know of? :\Quote:
William Ayers was never a radial Muslim, yet he is a terrorist who attacked the United States.
The very fact that you are contemplating it so seriously it is just hilarious. You're living in a dream world.Quote:
I am not saying it proves Obama is definitely a terrorist. Do I really need to clarify it again?
Why would he announce that he plans to increase force in Afghanistan if he's going to do the opposite? He does want to be elected again, I assume.Quote:
I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. Why do you? There is no telling what he will and won't do as a politician who acts on the political stage, but I know where his heart is and is not. I think you do too.
Well, at least you admitted it this time. ;)
Let me know when you're going to start acting like an adult.
You know how weak your responses are, right? You are just playing dodgeball. You make irrelevant comments, ask questions that I just answered, and repeatedly refuse to analyze my McCain/Osama paragraph in terms of its implications. You are doing a pathetic job of defending your side in this debate. Ad hominem attacks are not analyses, counterarguments, or answers. Analyze the McCain/Osama point in an on-point manner, or else stop spinning your wheels in the mud. I have you on that point, and that is why you keep dodging it. Either address it head on or give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Be responsive. ;)
Ok, I'll bite. Bin Laden is the head (supposedly) of an active extremist terrorist organization with agents worldwide, and is supposedly planning more strikes (for the sake of argument, let's say this is true). Ayers is under extreme government scrutiny and couldn't plan going to the washroom without them knowing.
Bin Laden is responsible, either directly or indirectly, for thousands of deaths all over the world. Ayers is responsible for not one single injury, let alone death.
Bin Laden is in the habit of destroying buildings and naval vessels. Ayers detroyed some statues 40 years ago.
Bin Laden is wanted, dead or alive, by a dozen governments. Ayers is a college professor.
See, you're comparing apples and oranges. Instead of comparing Ayers to Bin Laden, which is one hell of a stretch, why not just say this:
"McCain gave a pro-Ayers speech in Ayers' living room after Ayers bombed the Pentagon and some statues and admitted to it. Ayers got McCain's political career off the ground after those attacks. Ayers and McCain were partners in public speaking and served on boards together after the attacks. Ayers is unrepentant for his terrorist attacks to this day.
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NitsuJ America is considered as a terrorist nation to some parts of the world, so should Obama be against America since that'd help him be against terrorism?
Yeah, I'm with Grod on this one. You've definitly brought up some good points thus far, nitsuJ. But that wasn't one of your better ones....Quote:
Grod
wat
Oh, it goes much deeper than her lack of knowledge of the Bush Doctrine:Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Not to say she's an idiot, but seriously...Vice President (and a "70 year old man's ailing heartbeat away" from being President) of the most powerful nation on the planet? Really. This woman was not ready for Prime Time.
I will tell you how I view his associations:Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Think about Barack's (supposed) demeanor. His entire philosophy. He is all about reaching across isles and trying to be both tolerant and understanding of all points of view, even when he doesn't agree with them. I can completely identify with that. Terrorism (as a method) is indefensible, on the surface. It's so easy to label something "terroristic" and say "DIS' IS BAD!!" without any context. Although, many of the motives behind various terrorist attacks are actually pretty legitimate. A moderate - such as Obama seems to be - would take all sides of the spectrum into consideration, and would find it possible to condemn such acts, even while being connecting with the offender on some other level.
I doubt very much that Obama has applauded Ayers for his acts (I haven't seen/heard the speech he supposedly gave - only reports that it happened, usually with the hint of spin. If you have a link to what was actually said at the speech, I would love to hear/see it).
I would like to know more about his association with Ayers than what they cherry-pick through to put up on FOX News. Simply the fact that he is associated with the man, while a brow-raiser, does not persuade me to immediately delegitimize him as a true American who loves his country. There has to be more to it. And, as of now, I haven't seen it.
The same goes for Reverend Wright. The truth is, many of the most harshest critics of anything or anyone (whether it be a nation, a person, a novel, a video game, etc...) are also the most passionate lovers of the same. It is because they do love said item that they are moved to so much emotion, when said person/place/thing is behaving in a despicable way. You and I have had the debate before about whether Wright was addressing America As A Whole, or "America" meaning the U.S. Government, in relation to the world stage (which is what he, himself, said). So I really don't want to go back into it. I simply want to make the point that, where you are really quick to say "ZOMG, Wright said Goddamn America!" I am looking at the context, and I don't quite feel the same way you do about it.
To address your "name change" paragraph: Drew actually beat me to it. How can you possibly compare someone who participated in some statue and building bombings (which, I agree, is a method of protest that I don't necessarily support), with someone who led an attack that took thousands upon thousands of lives?
Lol, not everyone thinks America is good. To be a terrorist, all you have to do is terrorize something. Some people might believe that we're terrorizing Iraq, or something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
Ayers did injure somebody when trying to kill people when bombing the United States government. He also bombed the Pentagon. That is what he has in common with Bin Laden. Also, all of the points about, "Uh, it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Obama," are what I was countering. Strong associations with terrorists who attack the United States are a very big deal. That is my point, and my analogy illustrated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
She did need to brush up on some things. I don't think it would have taken long. She is a genius and a great communicator with an excellent reputation as the governor of Alaska. But the McCain camp could have done much better in getting her ready. The McCain team could have done a lot better in a lot of areas. They sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
If Obama has a lax attitude about Ayers' terrorism, then he should not have been elected. He has been elected, so I am not going to say he should not be president at this point, but I find it profoundly disturbing that somebody with such a lax attitude about terrorism could be elected president. I also don't know of what "context" could possibly justify what Ayers did. It was mindless hate that was meant to hurt very irrationally. It was despiccable. Ayers admitted that he was targetting innocent people, and he has yet to apologize for it. I want a president who hates his guts and everything he represents. Obama does not fit that description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Ayers did not just bomb statues. He bombed the capitol building, the Pentagon, and NYC Police Headquarters, and he intended to kill. He did it to express hate toward the United States. That is not like some 15 year old vandalizing a statue. I'm glad you don't "necessarily" agree with it.
Ayers said way more than, "God damn America!" He called our country the "USKKK of A." He accused our government of inventing AIDS to kill black people. He blamed 9/11 on the victims. He said lots of horrible garbage. And Obama admits to going to that extremist church twice a month for twenty years. Only extremists go to extremist churches for 20 years. That is a huge problem. Also, when the nut Pfleger (white racist against white people) gave his awful pitch at the church, the congregation cheered him on and agreed with him. That means it is a racist church. There is no way Obama did not know that, and he was a regular member there who was supertight with the preacher. That whole picture of "context" is inexcusable, big time.
If McCain had gone to a white church where the white congregation was racist and the preacher called our country the "US Black Muslims of A", I think you would have had a big problem with it.
UM thinks Palin is a genius.
Great minds think alike.
Did anyone go to the Chicago rally? Anyone going to the inauguration?
http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-d...6Cold-Blue.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJ...d.php?t=128204Quote:
She did need to brush up on some things. I don't think it would have taken long. She is a genius and a great communicator with an excellent reputation as the governor of Alaska.
Wow, wow. She really is a genius.
Stop argueing, obama is president and nothing is going to change it unless he gets asassinated, just four years (i think)untill you can argue all over again ;)
:lol: Oh my God, that's the video. I had trouble getting it to play last night, so I gave up and assumed it was one of her infamous interviews. I saw that Fox report. I think it is such a crock of shit. (Liberals are suddenly believing Fox News? :chuckle:) Some McCain workers have been trying to scapegoat Palin for the loss, and that is the junk they are talking. It is way too far fetched for me to believe it without some kind of evidence other than angry hearsay. However, IF it by some strange chance is true, then I admit that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president of the United States, vice president of the United States, the mayor of Vaiden, Missisippi, a school teacher, or a high school graduate. I just find it so hard to swallow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I wondered how long it was going to take Fox News to join the ranks of the "elite liberal media" once McCain lost and they started kissing Obama's ass (which a lot of Fox anchors have now started to do).Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
The Republican party is split into two factions at this point - those who believe Sarah Palin is the future of the party and those who blame her for McCain's loss.
She IS the reason he lost so badly, but at the same time he signed off on that decision so he is just as at fault for picking her dumb ass. If the Republicans choose to get behind her for a 2012 run (which I certainly hope they do), Obama is going to be a two-term President for sure barring any huge scandal or lackluster performance.
I once had a lot of respect for you because when you spoke about Iraq you seemed to know what you were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
But what the fuck happened to you? The woman is a perfect example of why there needs to be an intelligence test before your name goes on a ballot for any kind of public office.
She thinks the earth is 6000 years old!
She was in a ceremony to have WITCHES removed from her body!
She doesn't support the use of fruit-fly for genetic research!
She was divisive and spoke hateful, borderline-racist garbage at her rallies.
Where was the genius in her plan to offend all the coastal cities by stating that the 'real Americans are in the heartland and small towns'?
She is a shining example of everything that is wrong with the US these days, and I would love it if she ran in 2012 (as 60-something% of registered Republicans would like) because that's a sealed deal win for 8 years of Obama.
Keep right on drinking that Kool-Aid though.
But Alex, she has alot of good foriegn policy experience. Keeping an eye on Russia and all... And whenever one of them came over we'd always ask, "Hey, watcha' doing over here?" And if they could give a good reason, well then alright. But if not, then well, we'd say, "Hey, get back on over there!"
I smell racism in here... so obvious...won't even call out names
I don't think Palin lost the election for him, she helped. But he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that's what lost him the election. He tried to distance himself from Bush as much as possible, but voting records don't lie.
"I just want to give McCain my full support."
"Uhh, thanks Gearoge. Umm, I have to go..."
"I want America to know where I stand."
"Wait, George..."
"A vote for John McCain is a vote for George W. Bush."
If all of that is true, which I really doubt, it means she is crazy, not stupid. Religion is the issue that makes Republicans irrational, and lots of them are brilliant. Sarah Palin might be a very religious Christian who believes the general ideas of Christianity's nuttiness, but don't tell me she is not intelligent. The idea that she is stupid is absurd. But keep drinking the left wing Kool-Aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alextanium
Palin manipulating crowds:
If you go to thunderf00t's channel there's some more videos focused on Palin.
So it's OK to have a crazy person in office?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
You misread my words again. I was talking about a hypothetical. Read my post again.
The craziness that comes in the form of religion is bad for personal liberties, but it fortunately doesn't affect a person's ability to handle economics and, in most cases, foreign policy. Obama and Biden are Christians too, so it's not like a vote against Palin was a vote against Christianity entering the executive branch. The religious lunacy has been there since the beginning of the country. Sarah Palin would not have been anything too new in that regard.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Deist founding fathers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundin...tates#Religion
Obama on public reason:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q...um=4&ct=title#
Palin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixDDLSN46s
More Palin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9...eature=related
Get. Your. Head. OUT OF YOUR ASS.
In what way does that prove me wrong? I didn't say every person in the history of the U.S. federal government has been a Christian. I said the lunacy has always been in the executive branch, meaning it has always been represented by at least some of the people in there. Of course, I think religion is automatic lunacy. So what is your point? Get your head out of your ass so maybe you can finally start comprehending my posts. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
By the way, why are you such an asshole? How old are you? :?
Why do you think Palin is so smart?
I hope obama fails, i only feel this way due to spite tho.
Her education, her ability to make good points, her record in Alaska, and her articulation skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grod
lawlQuote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Wow.
The CIA brought crack into the inner city, whats to doubt they brought aids?
Tested LSD on unknowing US Soldiers.
I'm not saying what Ayers did was right, but I will say this country has committed many atrocities.
Will you say that what Ayers did was wrong? I don't see how it accomplished a damn thing or was even supposed to. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCell
Most certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Had he wanted a revolution, that would not be the way to go about it.. Senseless bombing never works, but no matter what he did the way society has been quelled to revolution it would be looked at as bad.
You know when something amazing happens (like getting a new car or it's your birthday) and you wake up thinking, "Something is new and exciting, but what? OH YEAH!" Well, I did that for the first couple of days. Or I'd be cooking and suddenly think about our new president and get all excited and do a little dance. Hell yeah, the year I turned 18 is the year I was able to vote! Whoo! I'm eagerly awaiting Jan 20th when Bush will finally GTFO for ever. :banana:
Bush wanted to amend the constitution to BAN gay marriage. Like that's completely legal and not at all defecating on human rights. :roll:
Obama and Biden are against gay marriage in personal belief, but at least they vote in favor of equal rights, the way it should be. They're not going to let their religion get in the way of politics. I'm glad somebody still respects the separation of church and state, unlike Cali's Prop 8.
I look at it this way: I'm mostly gay, so I can't be republican. I wouldn't have voted Obama if I didn't approve of his plans, though. I knew he would win, even when Hilary was still in the race. We just had 8 years of a crappy republican, and so the political pendulum had to swing the other way. I'm glad Obama won Ohio, which is usually a republican state.
Before this, I really didn't care about politics. Now that my opinion matters and I have faith in the president, I'm interested in this stuff. :]
I just hope that no douchebag racist is so offended by skin color that they feel the need to attempt assassination. Nobody would dare kill Mccain because nobody wants Palin as president.
Canada is glad we voted for the right person this time.