Ugh.... Racism

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Originally Posted by SKA

Everything is wrong with Racism. Cause that same racist mentality that makes people think "here goes the neighborhood" when they see a black guy, is the same mentality that makes people not give a job to a latino that is perfectly qualified. It is the very same ignorance from which burning crosses on black people's lawns came. The same mentality that drove germans to systematically enslave and murder Jews: Civilians, from newborn babys to old ladies, All murdered. The same mentality that sent a pack of angry people on Krystalnacht when the glass windows of every jewish shop and synagogue were shattered before most of them were torched, it is the same mentality that motivates suicide bombers to blow themselves up in an Israëli discotheque full of young, innocent people, The same mentality that drove Europeans to see Africans as "inferior" and "subhuman" and therefor enslave them...etc And if this Racist mentality isn't frozen in it's tracks and extremely opressed, it will develop and grow untill it drives people to commit the murderous, excessive crimes against humanity.

If you think stamping out Racism is "hypocritical" and exagerated, then you must not be truely aware of the consequences of people judging eachother on their Race; Try walking around with a Kippah and a Davidstar pendant for a while, or do it properly and dress up like a Chassidic jew. I think after only one week you may start to understand alot better what exactly is so wrong about Racism and why it needs to be stomped out.

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Discrimination is actions. Racism is ideas. Anytime anyone talks about stomping out any ideas is dangerous, even if those ideas are considered to be dangerous. Let people think what they want, can they even help that? Anyway, I guess u could say, a lot of people are racists agianst racists. But people being racist against blacks is different, those poor folks can't help if thier black. I said before, can people help what they believe?

Maybe if we all just share our feelings well feel better.
I am rascist against fat white women. Whenever I see them I think of them beating thier little kids at the local walmart.
Whose next? :D

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Originally Posted by justme

I am rascist against fat white women. Whenever I see them I think of them beating thier little kids at the local walmart.
Whose next? :D

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:lmao: well, some do actually do that, thats the funny part.

I can see what you are saying though. If someone is STILL racist although they have had exposure to black people and it wasnt indoctrinated in to them, what can you do? Some people might argue its actually impossible, but Im not so sure. All I know is Im glad Im not cause I loooooove my asian gf :D

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

:lmao: well, some do actually do that, thats the funny part.

I can see what you are saying though. If someone is STILL racist although they have had exposure to black people and it wasnt indoctrinated in to them, what can you do? Some people might argue its actually impossible, but Im not so sure. All I know is Im glad Im not cause I loooooove my asian gf :D

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I know SOME do that... but everytime I see a fat white women with a kid I'm expecting her to smack him or her upside the head at any moment. Thats not really funny...:(

And I hate ur Asian girlfriend... their too skinny... makes me look bad. :P...:(

lol, actually she is not super skinny, which I love btw, but she is not like those women at walmart either hehe

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

lol, actually she is not super skinny, which I love btw, but she is not like those women at walmart either hehe

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Thats nice. ^__^ I dont hate her then.

Speaking of Asians... Im sooo sick of all the white people making fun of there eyes!

How do u blindfold an Asian?
With dental floss!

All the whites are just jealous cause thier eyes are sexy ;)

Yay another thread off topic...

Ok back on topic... ummm... racism. Discuss it.

yeah, now that you mention it, most asians I see have rather large shiny eyes! what gives?

aaanyways, yes, back on topic...ahem....boooooo racism!!!

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I would like to live in a world where people are allowed to burn children in the streets.


I feel living in this world would not change it.


I feel it would get me arrested.

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HAHA!

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Originally Posted by Howie

Racism sucks. It is not so hard to believe that it exists but it is hard to believe that it exists to this extent --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISN1R...eature=related :P

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Everyone experiences racism at some point in their lives, whether or not they are aware of it, and they have a right to say something about it without being chided for "whining".

I've been discriminated and abused because of the colour of my skin in the past, or at least I thought that was the reason. I later realized that they were pathetic excuses for human beings and acted out due to their own insecurities.

Most people's opinions on other races are largely determined by the stereotypes the media pounds into our heads and there are those stupid few who act out based on that.

I don't care if someone judges me based on my skin colour, as long as they don't act out on it. Call me a Paki or whatever you want, as long as you don't mean it in an insulting way.

When it gets insulting, I kick balls.

Hard.

I'll be wearing my steel-toed boots then, as well.

All good replies. Very insightful.

The only thing I could attempt to add is that racism (and gender/religious/political/anykindyoucanthinkof prejudice) does indeed exist, to mind-boggling degrees in cities large and small. [I was born in a town where the way people talked would honestly shock you; you'd think you entered some bigoted-parallel-universe, or gone through a time-warp back to the 1930s. Thank goodness I'm in a more enlightened area these days.] But it's certainly one thing to acknowledge its existence and another entirely to be overly-paranoid about it, and bring it into discussions where it doesn't belong.

Hopefully, if you're conscious of you're own biases (on all levels), an unfounded attack won't bother you too much. Just as there will likely always be people who are prejudiced, there will likely always be people who will accuse people of being so--whether it's accurate or not.

On the flipside, there will always be people who refuse to acknowledge their own biases (subconscious or not; actively stated, or not)...but there will also likely always be people that will call them out on it.

I'm the type of person that if I'm constantly being accused of something, I make an effort to analyze my actions/ideas for evidence of what they're accusing me of, especially if it's something unintentional or unwanted. I figure that there must be some reason I'm coming across a certain way. Sometimes those people are right, and I'm thankful for them...but other times it's just their own biases that are to blame.

It all comes down to the sad fact that some people just can't stand the idea that other people don't 100% agree with them 100% of the time.

But it's important to note that sometimes, someone who's attacking you may agree with you for the most part, and are only pointing out possible flaws, not perceived ones. Then again, some people are just overly-negative.

At heart I'm an idealist, so (certain biases and) prejudice/discrimination of all kinds to me is a demon to be reckoned with.
But on the same token, I'm pragmatic, so the fact that such ideals aren't always met is undeniable (sadly).


@O'nus - You seem like a very balanced and intelligent individual to me, so it's very likely such attacks are unfounded. If it bothers you, channel that anger towards finding some kind of solution or wisdom in the situation...? Just know that some times ignorance or outright backasswardness is usually inevitable, as much as we'd like to reason it away. It's all about how you handle it. Don't sweat it to much. :)

P.S. - Okay, I admit it. I'm biased against people who listen to Hannah Montana and people who shop at Wal-Mart. Inappropriate/inaccurate stereotyping is evident even in people who make make every attempt to avoid such things.

P.P.S. - If you fit either of these criteria, I'll probably still like you, but I'd have to get to know you first. And even then it's still likely that I would playfully tease you for these things. But that's okay, I like being playfully teased in retaliation.


:)

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Originally Posted by acatalephobic

P.S. - Okay, I admit it. I'm biased against people who listen to Hannah Montana and people who shop at Wal-Mart. Inappropriate/inaccurate stereotyping is evident even in people who make make every attempt to avoid such things.

P.P.S. - If you fit either of these criteria, I'll probably still like you, but I'd have to get to know you first. And even then it's still likely that I would playfully tease you for these things. But that's okay, I like being playfully teased in retaliation.


:)

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Awww! I GO TO WAL-MART! Well, usually if I have to go to a one-stop sort of place it's bound to be Target... Wal-Mart is the place I go to for groceries at 3 AM. No one I know actually knows I shop there because I'm ashamed... Sad to say. Even though I claim I don't care about what others think. That's the only thing I hide, my late night/early morning escapades! Shhh...


I miss the old DV sometimes, when the smallest text was so small that you had to copy and paste it into notepad in order to read it. :(





K back on track I guess.

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Originally Posted by Mitzie

K back on track I guess.

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Just to prolong that for one moment more...
The bias against Wal-Mart shoppers is--for the most part--in jest.
It's--again, for the most part--not the shoppers I detest, just the store.
But I'm guilty of having been to Wal-Mart too. Just not to shop.

:roll:

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Originally Posted by acatalephobic

Just to prolong that for one second more...
I've been to Wal-Mart too. Just not to shop.

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When you live in a town full of chains, where no independent small businesses survive, Wal-Mart actually seems bearable.

I die a little inside every time I walk into the place.

Wal-Mart goes against everything I believe in, and it smells wonky.

hah!
poignant use of the word wonky, to be sure.

I feel like all this racial crap has sunk into my head and now I can't stop thinking about it. Somebody pointed out to me that Jazz and Rap were "black people's music". Now I can't stop thinking about Jazz and Rap as black people's music. I've made comments that Jazz and Rap are black people's music. It seems logical that they pretty much are, but just look at what paying attention to this fact has done to me.

I think everyone carries a little bit of prejudice, but we all have to learn not to let that initial prejudice get in the way of us at least getting to know people before judging them.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I was really thinking of making a really long and detailed post about this and my complaint about it... However, I feel my point can be explicitly stated with this:

I am a white, straight, male. I am subject to so many criticisms.

I am tired of being thought of as being racist just because I am white.

I am tired of being thought of as a "stupid typical male".

I am tired of being thought of as a smart-ass know-it-all.

Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?

Is it not possible to be racist by thinking that I am racist?

Seriously, I am getting really fucking sick of this for the same exact reasons why any other person hates racism.

Keep this in mind when you judge someone. Maybe your reasons for thinking someone is judgmental is, in fact, judgmental. Maybe you would not think you were so special unless someone was racist towards you?

What do you think...?

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I guess I don't understand why you would be classified as racist?

Maybe I've just spent a lot of time with all races...

Could you explain some situation where you were being classified as a racist? What were the reasons, if any? The situation in detail perhaps?

Or do you just find yourself around other white males that happen to be racist and they assume you are racist yourself? Because who wouldn't be.... (I've met some people like that, kind of sickening...)

Silly O'nus. Don't you know that all of us white people are racist bastards? Only whites can be racists, and we all are racist!

But seriously, it seems like that a lot. It's a tough world for the white man out here.

Racism is retarded, and I find it retarded how people that get angry over racial slurs use them theirselves.

If you want a prime example, find the Dr. Phil episode that talks about racism.

Paul Mooney, or whatever his name was on there talking about how much he hates the word "nigger," which is the same thing as "nigga." Funny thing is, I watched him say "nigga" like it was the only word he knew many times on Chapelle's Show.

Everyone is the same, no matter the skin color. Racism will always exist, and will never be gotten rid of. At least racism isn't as bad these days as it used to be. But, you'll always have a person that doesn't see the same way as some of you and will view people of different skin color to be subhuman.

Nigga is slang, Nigger is not.

Very different connotations attached to those words.

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Nigga is slang, Nigger is not.

Very different connotations attached to those words.

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Ok, so why do they get mad when a white person says nigga?

I believe nigga and nigger are the same. They just drop the -er and use -a. If I said cracka instead of cracker, it'd be the same thing. Nigga is still a racist slur.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Silly O'nus. Don't you know that all of us white people are racist bastards? Only whites can be racists, and we all are racist!

But seriously, it seems like that a lot. It's a tough world for the white man out here.

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It sounds like both you and Onus are exhibiting stereotype threat, where anxiety about confirming a stereotype (in your case, the white racist) leads one to exhibit the stereotyped behavior. Either that or you're taking professional loudmouths in the media too seriously. While I've encountered racism (both for being white and not being white enough) a handful of times in three decades, my blondish hair and blue eyes have bought me more free passes than I can count--with cops, employers, landlords, girls' parents, service workers, clients... I'd take rich over white if it were up to me, but I can't complain.

The overwhelming majority of people who've assumed I'm a white racist were themselves white racists, thinking they had a friendly ear. In my experience, non-white people with white friends are mostly oblivious to the degree of prejudice directed at them by white people who think they're in 'safe' company. It's much less prevalent in generations born since 1970 or so, but far more common behind closed doors than a lot of us would like to think.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Ok, so why do they get mad when a white person says nigga?

I believe nigga and nigger are the same. They just drop the -er and use -a. If I said cracka instead of cracker, it'd be the same thing. Nigga is still a racist slur.

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Nigga is not a racist slur. You're just not black.

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Originally Posted by Taosaur

It sounds like both you and Onus are exhibiting stereotype threat, where anxiety about confirming a stereotype (in your case, the white racist) leads one to exhibit the stereotyped behavior. Either that or you're taking professional loudmouths in the media too seriously. While I've encountered racism (both for being white and not being white enough) a handful of times in three decades, my blondish hair and blue eyes have bought me more free passes than I can count--with cops, employers, landlords, girls' parents, service workers, clients... I'd take rich over white if it were up to me, but I can't complain.

The overwhelming majority of people who've assumed I'm a white racist were themselves white racists, thinking they had a friendly ear. In my experience, non-white people with white friends are mostly oblivious to the degree of prejudice directed at them by white people who think they're in 'safe' company. It's much less prevalent in generations born since 1970 or so, but far more common behind closed doors than a lot of us would like to think.

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Lol. I know whites aren't the only people able to be racist, I was kidding in that statement.

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Nigga is not a racist slur. You're just not black.

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So you're telling me if I go to a group of black kids and say "Niggas get to work," I'm not being racist? Cool.

Empathy is the cure to prejudice. :P

Not much else to say that hasn't already been said..

Lets try to explain what I said because.. you obviously can't read.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

So you're telling me if I go to a group of black kids and say "Niggas get to work," I'm not being racist? Cool.

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*Note* If you are black and go up to a group of black kids and say niggas get to work you are not being racist.

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If you are white and go up to a group of black kids and say niggas get to work, you better know them on some level.


Hanging around younger black kids(20 - 30), which I do... if a white person drops the word nigga in conversation they don't even bat an eye...

It's part of the "culture", and unless theirs hatred in your voice no one is going to give a fuck.

Nigger on the other hand is derogatory.. They are pronounced differently.

And unless you are speaking to be racist than you are not... If I use the word cracker does that mean I am being racist to white people?

Where'd those saltines go...

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Lets try to explain what I said because.. you obviously can't read.


*Note* If you are black and go up to a group of black kids and say niggas get to work you are not being racist.

**Note**
If you are white and go up to a group of black kids and say niggas get to work, you better know them on some level.


Hanging around younger black kids(20 - 30), which I do... if a white person drops the word nigga in conversation they don't even bat an eye...

It's part of the "culture", and unless theirs hatred in your voice no one is going to give a fuck.

Nigger on the other hand is derogatory.. They are pronounced differently.

And unless you are speaking to be racist than you are not... If I use the word cracker does that mean I am being racist to white people?

Where'd those saltines go...

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Oh I see, so nigga and nigger aren't racial slurs if you're black and say them. Nice. That's just about the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Since, according to you, nigger and nigga aren't racist if a black person says it, I don't think it should be racist for anyone to say it. Seems like you're not going to have a problem with a black person calling you nigger, or nigga, even though the words still mean the same thing if they came out of a non-black person's mouth instead. That's pretty whacked out logic.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Oh I see, so nigga and nigger aren't racial slurs if you're black and say them. Nice. That's just about the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Since, according to you, nigger and nigga aren't racist if a black person says it, I don't think it should be racist for anyone to say it. Seems like you're not going to have a problem with a black person calling you nigger, or nigga, even though the words still mean the same thing if they came out of a non-black person's mouth instead. That's pretty whacked out logic.

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Logic whacked out or not thats how it is..

I've spent plenty of time around "african-americans" especially around my age range. And that's how it is, honestly most don't care if you say nigga if you aren't being derogative or obviously hate mongering...

Unless you've hung out with those that aren't white, you really wouldn't have much of an understanding about their culture.

"Nigger" was a word used by slaveowners... Nigga is a slang term that most of the youth I've come across say on a daily basis..

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Nigga please...