Right to Commit Suicide?

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

That's why I said in most cases suicide is dumb, I can see some reasons a person would consider suicide and it'd be a decent decision. Like someone with cancer so bad that they're going to die soon anyways, and they're in constant pain, or something terrible like that. But, people killing themselves because their girlfriend/wife, or boyfriend/husband leave them, or some other stupid reason like that is just dumb.

Those people should be punched square in the face by kangaroo.

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Would me making an F on a test affect you in any way like it would affect me?

I think from a legal persepective, attempting suicide shouldn't give doctors or the police the right to violently keep you from doing it by restraining you physically, taking stuff away from you, taking you into custody etc. However, they should be required to talk to you in ways that would keep you from doing it. Also, if the person is physically unable to commit suicide, he should get assistance. It should be illegal to encourage someone to commit suicide.

The connection to mental stability and health is very important here. The question is whether being mentally sane and stable and wanting to commit suicide are mutually exclusive. Because if they are, my argument is shit because (a) you can't make an informed decision about ending your life and (b) doctors and police should then be required to protect your life by using physical force.

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Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

Would me making an F on a test affect you in any way like it would affect me?

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No. Are you trying to tie that comparison in with the boyfriend/girlfriend thing? Because it's dumb for anyone to kill themselves over losing a boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife. RE to the TARDED. Life goes on, get over it.

Do we not own our bodies?

Not if you have a government.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Not if you have a government.

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Har har.

But still, to the people that think suicide should be "illegal". Do we not own our bodies?

Suicide shouldn't be illegal, but interfering with someone else's suicide attempt(s) shouldn't be illegal either. I think that's what's basically understood in most of today's society.

It doesn't matter if suicide is illegal because no one is gonna punish you when you're dead. If the police catches you the first time, then try, try again.

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Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

but interfering with someone else's suicide attempt(s) shouldn't be illegal either. I think that's what's basically understood in most of today's society.

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I disagree. To actually "interfere" requires violence in the form of restraining them.

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Originally Posted by esfx

I disagree. To actually "interfere" requires violence in the form of restraining them.

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So?

You mean, say, elbowing someone to stop them committing suicide is worse than someone actually dying?

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Originally Posted by esfx

I disagree. To actually "interfere" requires violence in the form of restraining them.

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Uhm, not all.

If someone tries to overdose on pills, and is found in enough time, they get sent to the ER where they pump their stomach out. That's not violence at all. Really, if they had a gun about to shoot themselves, a person would probably fight and try to get the gun away. So I don't think there would be much violence in interfering with a person trying to commit suicide.

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Originally Posted by NightLife

It doesn't matter if suicide is illegal because no one is gonna punish you when you're dead. If the police catches you the first time, then try, try again.

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Yeah, but the whole point of suicide being illegal is that they can still prosecute if you attempt suicide.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Uhm, not all.

If someone tries to overdose on pills, and is found in enough time, they get sent to the ER where they pump their stomach out. That's not violence at all. Really, if they had a gun about to shoot themselves, a person would probably fight and try to get the gun away. So I don't think there would be much violence in interfering with a person trying to commit suicide.

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In that situation, you're incapacitated so it's never clear what your intention was. But I'm talking about if a person says they will, and then you restrain them to prevent it.

I think suicide is definately wrong (I think it's an affront to God and the universe, but that's a whole other concept), I'd stop short at saying it should be illegal though. Discouraged as much as otherwise possible, yes. Illegal...not so sure.

There are enough laws in this life without one that governs whether or not one chooses to be a part of it.

Besides, making it illegal wouldn't stop people from doing it anyway. Logical fallacy? Yes. How I feel? Yes again.

there are too many teens out there trying to commit suicide

we would be doing them an injustice by not trying to stop them, and allowing them to grow up or get help. my sister had a friend who committed suicide because his girl friend dumped in. OVER A TEENAGE GIRLFRIEND. teenagers are idiots. please, lets help them grow up. . .

we are a community, we share a government and a way of life. we have an obligation to our poor and mentally unstable. we should be asking why people are trying to commit suicide, and curing that disease rather than allowing them to off themselves and turn a blind eye on what created their suffering.

there are those who are suicidal for medical reasons, crippled from neck down. should it be legal? these cases I find, are personal. I am a hopeful person, but hope is not something you can give to another person. who am I to tell a crippled, cheer up? but even if this person, gives up on them self, does that give us the right to give up? or should we be trying to do everything to give this person back their life?

there are those who are suicidal for mental reasons, they are miserable people. its these we need to stop the most. they are suffering from a disease that makes them overwhelmed with what makes them unhappy. And that can mean, being self absorbed in their own misery. Now there are many suicidal folk in this category who are concerned about the way the world is going, and they use this as a reason for being suicidial. And argue that because its the way the world is that makes them suicidal, that their desire to off them self is not self absorbed

if you know someone is suffering, like from starvation, and their suffering hurts you, how does killing yourself solve THEIR problem? It doesn't. It just solves YOUR problem of having to feel sympathy for another. A better solution is to reach out to those you can help

there are others who are suicidal because they have lost everything they have loved. maybe war has taken away all their loved ones. or a tsunami, or a hurricane, who knows - there are many tragedies

sometimes, its not what we do after, but what we do before

we live our lives naively believing things belong to us. that your parents belong to you. that your lover or your children, or your home, belongs to you. but the reality is, nothing outside of yourself belongs to you. You can't stop a storm from taking away your home. It was never yours to keep. You can't stop death from taking away a loved one. They were never yours to keep.

YOU OWN NOTHING.

This is partly why we are suffering so much. We have lost sight of REALITY. We have this imaginary world, of who owns what and who owns this, and nature doesn't give a fuck!

and that might sound miserable in itself, but its a call to be grateful. Gratitude is missing in the western world. When you express gratitude, you express happiness.



my answer is no, suicide should not be legalized. nor am I saying it is illegal. it is like a disease that needs to be cured

It's their life. Who's to say they can't end it if they want? Who would even be there to stop them? And why would they care if it was illegal? They would be dead so it's not like they'd go to jail. I think failed public suicide attempts should be punishable though. Like jumping off of a building into a crowd and surviving or something like that.

Of course anyone thinking about suicide should seek some medical attention.

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Originally Posted by blahaha

It's their life. Who's to say they can't end it if they want?

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Originally Posted by blahaha

Of course anyone thinking about suicide should seek some medical attention.

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I don't see how you can put those two things together.

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Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

Should the government really label you as mentally unstable because you're choosing to bring a death to yourself now that you will experience one day anyways?

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Definitely.