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i'm not an anti-Obama person, i like him and everything but
am i the only person who seems to think that he pretty much won because of being black? i watched tv and see a long line of black (or African American) people who all support Obama and i'm wondering if they even care about the issues? I mean what if he just as bad as bush... or worse and it's okay right?
again, i'm not racist or anti-Obama but this issue kind of bugged me. i wanted him to win for his ideas and not his color.
Well.
Obama is by far not the first black person to run for president.
I'm sure some people voted for him because he was black, but then again I'm sure around the same number of people voted for Bush because he was white.
If this were true, then Al Sharpton would have been president.
or Carol Moseley Braun
or Alan Keyes
or Lenora Fulani
or Jesse Jackson.
I liked it when they interviewed a large amount of black people, only they switched McCain's positions with Obama's, and none of the ones interviewed knew. They all agreed completely with "Obama's view".
Fun times. But no, I'm sure it had nothing to do with race... :)
This makes absolutely no sense, considering Bush was running against a white opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
Also, to avoid making a thread myself, I would like to ask dreamviews as a whole why there hasn't been any topics on the stimulus package / that Obama is spending RIDICULOUS amounts of money. (You could argue Obama didn't write the package but that's really dodging the point, unless you seem to think he was absolutely powerless to stop it.) This isn't including all the other stupid mistakes and decisions going on right now. Could it be that a bias swamps intellectual discussion? :) So much for this community's reputation.
But yes, let us blame Bush for a little while longer.
I'm pretty sure Mes meant McCain. I don't blame her seeing how our brains have been saturated with Bush as President for so long.
Yeah that. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
I'm white, I voted for Obama. My whole family is white, they all voted for Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidspark64
Is it because we are black? I don't think race was the issue, I think it helped him get african americans out to vote for sure, but without the support of the other Democrats?
Well if you look at the demographics, race wasn't a landslide factor or anything.
Less whites voted for him, but of course you could equally argue that that was due towards racial bias away from Obama, so the whole thing is neither here nor there.
He didn't win BECAUSE he is black, but the media definitely spun the whole election around racial factors. I don't know how many people often watched the news around that time, (or at all even) but policies and campaign promises were often side-tracked and relegated to the issue of race.... much like how the media ignored the fact that Sarah Palin is fucking retarded, and focused more on the 'sexism' that was being thrown at her.
thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
i love you
btw, i would like to officially say that i don not blame bush, yes crappy things happened while he was in office but seriously people, stop blaming like a bunch of cowards... it's sickening...
i did use to say, bush sucks, and he is the one responsible for everyting, but when u think about it.. he isn't... i am not for bush, but neither am i for blaming him...
btw, didn't obama mainly focus on not spending any money, yet as soon as he was in...?
why do people who were against Obama always say it was about race?
the polls say, it was about AGE. that was the big difference we saw this time around. the older the person was, the less likely they voted for obama. the older, the more like they voted for mc cain =b
Obama supported biofuels. McCain didn't. My family is mostly farmers. Case closed. :cool:
i didnt say i was against him. i was for him, my whole family was for him. just the whole racial bias thing concerned me a little.
A lot of black people *voted* because Obama is black, but they would not have been supporting a Republican last year if it was Colin Powell and Conde Rice's love child. I would agree that issues weren't front and center for a lot of voters last year, on either side, but the compelling element of Obama's identity was not so much his race as the "only in America" quality of his background. We didn't object to trying out a liberal agenda after the demoralizing Bush years, but the election was decided more on what we wanted our leadership to say about our identity as Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidspark64
For many of us, electing someone who came from outside the establishment was an affirmation that the American Revolution is ongoing, and didn't get strangled to death in the Cold War.
Why is it that people say this but then do not acknowledge that some presidents also win only because they are white..?
Is it not also the case that many voted for McCain because he was NOT black?
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Originally Posted by O'nus
Which president would that be...?
For the record folks I'm not trying to say Obama won because of his race, I'm merely suggesting that it helped. I believe the major reason lies in the disdain of Bush and the Republicans, which I can't altogether disregard. Neither, though, can it be disregarded that race played at least some factor in this election, even if it wasn't a deciding one.
Personally I think this entire discussion is moot compared to an honest analysis of how he's actually doing as president presently, which I still haven't seen any serious topics on.
Any candidate opposed to a non-white person has an equal chance to be voted entirely just because they are white. You say it may have helped Obama but it may have just as equally hurt him as many voted against him BECAUSE he is black.Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
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This is assuming there is an equal or greater number of persons who are so racist, as it were, that they would not vote for a man on skin color alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Inversely, I believe more people voted for him on skin color alone in order to dispel the conception that American whites are racist, which seems far more likely given this country's current drive towards tolerance and equality. The idea that whites are racist has been spread around quite a lot, really, and the election wasn't far in when word was going around that to vote for McCain was to be a racist (I heard plenty of that, trust me).
I get your point though, it's not a bad one either. I just hope in the future should we get more black presidential candidates, the word "race" won't even be brought up.
I say who cares. So what if they voted for him because he was black, or because he seemed like a nice guy. People voted for bush because he seemed like the kind of guy people love to hang out at a bar with. People vote for republicans just because their republicans even if they do not have republican beliefs. People vote for democrats just because their democrats, even if they do not have democrat beliefs. People vote people who came from their own state, because the person is from their state. People vote for people all the time because of the way they look, because they seem nice and stuff.
Out of all the idiotic reasons to vote for someone, race isn't necessary any worse than any of the other idiotic reasons to vote for someone. Most people don't vote for the issues. And most of the people who vote on the issues don't actually know the issues as well as they should.
I have to agree with you. Former president Jesse Jackson and former president Al Sharpton won the presidency when they ran because they were black as well. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidspark64
For all the accusations of racism, KKK groups, and white power supremacists.. is that really hard to believe..? Just watch a Chris Rock stand up act to be reminded of how abundant racism is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
Agreed.Quote:
I get your point though, it's not a bad one either. I just hope in the future should we get more black presidential candidates, the word "race" won't even be brought up.
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It's the first Black Man ever elected what did you expect? Them to act like it wasn't a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
Their were plenty in this country that voted just against Obama for skin color alone.
I don't think so. He won because we're in a financial crisis and an illegal war. People were smart enough to realize that continuing the policies that go us into this mess wasn't going to fix it.
Yet the "illegal" war and the tail-chasing economic policies continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Economic policies are much worse now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind