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http://www.infowars.com/the-populati...a-for-dummies/
http://www.infowars.com/obama-depopu...olicy-exposed/
this is insane!
I swear these people are completely psychotic.
I don't care if we are running out of fossil fuels and natural resources ( which somehow I don't believe ), you don't just kill off billions of people..especially children..and infants, by torturing them???
Sounds like bollocks.
It's gonna be painful however though. If it happens via the natural course then it'll be through mass starvation and possibly widespread disease. The degree to which violence will be a factor remains to be seen, but judging on how bad things have gotten over the previous century essentially about stupid little things, it doesn't bode well for when the shit really hits the fan.
Xei your always trying to make it seem like your the smartest guy in the world. You think you have an explanation for everything. Supersize EGO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Your saying it's "bollocks", but then go and say it will happen though starvation and disease. Which by the way it says that IN THE LINK.
I doubt you even got through the whole page.
I am the smartest guy in the world, idiot.
And no I didn't read much of the article. It just seemed like a rant about the New World Order and Communism. :l
How a national health service is supposed to cause poor people to die I have no idea.
I'd like to review the "proof" myself rather than take their word for it. Of course, that's not an option.
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Originally Posted by Xei
you fail man..
btw this is not bollocks, if you do your research which is independant of infowars or prison planet you will find that this is true, not exaggerated..and its the endgame for humanity.
yea it's really sad that like 95% of the population has no idea what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
I would love to make the mathematical observation that there's a much high probability that actually only 5% of the population has no idea what's going on.
But I won't.
It's ok, eat McDonald's, GMO's and watch your American Idol, because thats what really matters in life, being blissfully ignorant. Our government is a good, benevolent being sent by God to provide our every need and they would never do anything to hurt us like other violent, belligerent tyrannies in the past have done to their people. ;)
95 percent of the population has no idea what's going on and 5 percent think they know what's going on.
Seriously, can someone give me sources that would allow me to review the evidence which these guys are drawing their claims from? I mean, calling it the endgame of humanity isn't something to be taken lightly.
So you post some links to an infamous conspiracy theory "news site," and then when someone expresses some skepticism or doubt, you attack them with vicious ad hominem? You expect people to actually take you seriously when you don't even appear capable of holding a civil, reasonable discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Oh please. Be honest rilla, how much "research" have you done on this matter, and would you care to enlighten us on exactly what you uncovered?Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
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Look, I did read each article in their entireties, and they are bollocks. In fact, I find it hard to believe that anyone can take these seriously.
Here's the first article in a nutshell:What is the point of this article??
- Eugenics is bad.
- Okay.
- Some people think eugenics is good.
- But the article doesn't implicate anyone who actually matters.
- 35 years ago, the US toyed with the idea of withholding food from certain countries.
- The same US document also considered the following programs aimed at the least developed countries (LDCs):
- "Providing Minimal Levels of Education, Especially for Women"
- "Reducing Infant and Child Mortality"
- "Expanding Wage Employment Opportunities, Especially for Women"
- In fact, I'm only taking the part about withholding food on faith, because I couldn't actually find that in the document. (It's quite long.)
The second article consists of the wild allegations of a radical political activist against bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel of the National Institutes of Health. The activist's rhetoric, including unfounded and unapologetic comparisons to Nazi Germany, lends itself far better to fear mongering than to fair and rational thought. My understanding is that the proposed health plan would not provide free preventative treatments to certain groups; it would, however, provide other, more important health care treatments. Furthermore, since no form of health care is currently dispensed by the US government, it's incredibly misleading -- false, even -- to imply that the health plan would "take away" anything from anyone.
This took only the most cursory probing on my part. The fact that you gobble up these conspiracy theories without even thinking about peeking below the thick surface layer of rhetoric and bias is frankly depressing.
only time will tell... in either case one side will say "I told you so"
i would make the case that 95% of people are wither scptics or blind believers. the other 5% see blind believers and skeptics resembling eachother as both side of the same coin.
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Originally Posted by DuB
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At his trial in front of the American National Military Tribunal in 1947, Karl Brandt, Hitler's escort physician and later a leading euthanasia operative, testified that, sometime in 1935, Hitler had informed Reich Health Leader Gerhard Wagner of his intention to implement euthanasia of the mentally disabled once war had begun. According to Brandt, Hitler believed the opposition to euthanasia from church circles would be less pronounced during war than in peacetime.
—Michael S. Bryant, Confronting the Good Death: Nazi Euthanasia on Trial, 1945-1953 (Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 2005)
"When Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel wrote those words, he was chair of the Department of Bioethics (euthanasia education) at the United States Institutes of Health. Today he is President Obama's leading representative on a Federal "death council" drawing up a list of medical procedures to be used to deny care to elderly, chronically ill, and poor people, whose lives are considered of less value. Ezekiel's brother, Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, is ramming this Nazi-revival policy through Congress."Quote:
The world economy is teetering ... With trillions of dollars evaporating in this crisis, millions of middle-class Americans face the prospect of losing their homes and jobs, and witnessing a dramatic contraction of their retirement savings. In response, the public will desperately want financial security.... [B]ailing out bankers and other gamblers [and the] huge increase in the federal debt that these bailouts will entail intensifies the pressure to rein in health-care costs....
The dean of health-care economists, Victor Fuchs of Stanford, has long maintained that we will get health-care reform only when there is a war, a depression or some other major civil unrest. It's beginning to look like we might just have all three....
—Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, "The Financial Crisis and Health Care," the Chicago Tribune, Oct. 12, 2008
Why do you think he runs when he his confronted with the question of withdrawing medical care.....he has a meeting? and he's also stammering....look at 3:52 in that video...he's pacing the floor..looking at the floor, that man is completely nervous. That tends to happen when people are being exposed.
Denying those with cancer, and those that are elderly, healthcare because it has been brought under state control, is euthanasia, and it's only the tip of the iceberg with this swine/bird flu.
The swine flu? Check out my post in that swine flu thread thread. Baxter, who makes the vaccine for the swine/bird flu, was caught putting bird flu IN the flu vaccine that their going to give to the general public.
"Baxter was caught shipping a weaponized avian bird flu mixed strain in their vaccines last month in Europe. Again, this is proof that this deadly virus was created in a laboratory because they did exactly that last month. Bayer was caught shipping HIV in their drugs in the 80s. Both of these events are published in mainstream newspapers". You can google that.
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Also Codex Alimentarius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLI8UVdTzQ
Remember them making B6 illegal? Do you not see how this is all falling into place?
I mean of course there not going to come out and say "We're going to exterminate the population", but it seems like that's what it would take for YOU to believe it. Or better yet, if this has sparked an interest to you, look this stuff up, research it...
I highly doubt that panelists was "Fear mongering"...i mean for what reason? People are trying to get the truth out there.....
I'm not trying to scare anyone, but people just need to know what is going on...do NOT take that swine flu vaccine..
If you really trust the government, and think the government wants to "protect" you...than you are in for an awakening that's rude
I'm sorry if I'm being dense, but I don't know much about American politics so you're going to have to explain this to me.
How could the creation of a free national health service, in any circumstance, possibly result in a reduction in the availability of health care, and hence eugenics?
Nothing the guy in the video says is remotely substantiated, he sounds like a nut.
Other points;
-I thought B6 was largely consumed to increase dream vividness, not medical purposes.
-Wait, a vaccine that contains the virus it vaccinates against? OMFG howcanthisbe? ...either I've gotten completely the wrong end of the stick in which case I apologise, or you don't have the foggiest what you're on about.
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercuflea
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the B6 which is used to increase dream vividness is found in dietary supplements. The type of B6 that was banned was found in certain types of food, but not was not used in dietary supplements. Still haven't got the faintest clue as to why they banned it, but as far as I can see it doesn't affect anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
@ Hard wired: You get vaccinated from viruses by injecting yourself with dead viruses. Your body sees the dead viruses as invaders, eats them, and remembers the viruses so that they can be combated if active viruses of the same strain are introduced to the body. So, I'd believe it when they tell me bird flu is in the thing that's supposed to protect me from bird flu.
And wait a minute! Bird flu infects humans now? Since when?
Humans can only catch bird flu from infected birds; human to human transmission isn't possible at the moment, I don't think.
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Originally Posted by Xei
You see that's the problem, its not free. It is payed for by
1.Taxes on the wages of the American working citizens.
2. Fiat money that is printed by the federal reserve.
and 3. Debt/borrowed money.
The first thing they teach you in any introductory economics course is that theres no such thing as a free lunch, and that applies in all areas of life, ESPECIALLY in politics on the national level. People are tricked into believing that a nationalized healthcare system is "free" either by fraud, clever wording, ignorance, or misunderstanding. The only way for healthcare to be free would be if god rained down little robot doctors from the sky to take care of us.
The reason its not free is because somebody has to pay the doctors, somebody has to pay for the equipment, medicine, labor, nurses, insurance, etc etc. The doctors are not going to work for free, because if they did they'd die from starvation from not being able to put food on the table.
Hard Wired,
Is that really your retort? More Nazi comparisons (they never get old :roll:), and then the observation that he walked out on the meeting? My god, I've never seen evidence so unequivocal! Pacing and looking at the floor?! Lock that man up!
Give me a break.
Anyway, how composed can you expect a man to stay after having just been publicly accused of being the new Hitler in no uncertain terms? I would be embarrassed too!
For the third time now... currently nobody has government health care (because it doesn't exist), so instituting a national health plan of any kind can only result in additional lives being saved, not lost. Nobody is being denied access to private health insurance, the only question is how much free coverage will be allocated to which groups of people. Some groups will receive less coverage than others, but the result is going to be a net increase in coverage for every group. Does this make sense yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Others have already addressed your concerns about B6 (which are utterly trivial) and vaccinations (which are sorely misguided).
He wasn't a panelist -- he was directing his remarks to the panel. Anyway, who knows, maybe he really believes this garbage. But more likely is that he just likes to stir shit up. The guy is a nut case. Some highlights from his arrest record are on the Wikipedia page I linked to earlier. Not to mention that it takes either a very confused or a very twisted mind (or both) to interpret the proposed health plan as a tool toward mass genocide.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
I did, and as I wrote previously, I found the claims you presented to be either incredibly misleading or flat wrong. If you know something that I don't, feel free to bring it to my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Hercuflea, your post touches on an important issue, namely whether now is a good time to be instituting a national health plan, considering the state of the economy and the national debt. That is a question well worth answering, but it doesn't really pertain at all to the issue at hand of the President being accused of engineering a second Holocaust.
omg..... evidence is thrown right in your face and you just blow it off..well ok. believe what you want Dub
look up "Swine flu hoax"......just google it....their JUST hyping it up. Just like they did with bird flu..their just trying to scare you into taking that vaccine that will most likely kill you. The same thing happened in 1976, theirs a video in the swine flu thread that i posted. Swine flu is not as deadly as media is picturing it. With all these people who are infected, only around 20 officially reported deaths in Mexico and 2 in U.S.
stop listening to mainstream news, you guys are completely blind to what's happening.
Dub, you are constantly trying to "Debate" about this, this is not a debate, this is not an argument...THIS is what is going on..this is FACT and a lot of this stuff is documented, did you not see codex alimentarius video? If their trying to poison food and fluoride water to weaken and kill you...do you REALLY think that they give a crap about you? Giving you a swine flu vaccine that will help you? When they really want you dead?
I know it's a scary feeling knowing the government wants to kill you, that's why you need to educate yourself on what's going on. And keep you and your family safe. You keep on saying conspiracy theory conspiracy theory, but why is it more and more people are paying attention to this stuff, and actually connecting the dots...why not actually try and look this stuff up?
I'm sorry but no one can help you but yourself, I'm going to make sure me and my family doesn't take that shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvp5BcICsig
Yea I'm a little paranoid, but it keeps me aware.
Look up "confirmation bias". Just Google it.Quote:
look up "Swine flu hoax"......just google it....their JUST hyping it up.
Well yes I understand the concept of nationalisation - actually here in the UK the health service has been nationalised for more than 60 years.Quote:
You see that's the problem, its not free. It is payed for by
1.Taxes on the wages of the American working citizens.
2. Fiat money that is printed by the federal reserve.
and 3. Debt/borrowed money.
The first thing they teach you in any introductory economics course is that theres no such thing as a free lunch, and that applies in all areas of life, ESPECIALLY in politics on the national level. People are tricked into believing that a nationalized healthcare system is "free" either by fraud, clever wording, ignorance, or misunderstanding. The only way for healthcare to be free would be if god rained down little robot doctors from the sky to take care of us.
The reason its not free is because somebody has to pay the doctors, somebody has to pay for the equipment, medicine, labor, nurses, insurance, etc etc. The doctors are not going to work for free, because if they did they'd die from starvation from not being able to put food on the table.
The point is that as Dub has also said, all it can possibly do is result in an increase in the availability of healthcare. Suggesting that a national health service could promote eugenics is so bizarrely logically warped that it could only have come as a serious suggestion from an American and indicates either a complete and utter misunderstanding of the subject (possibly rooted in the often extreme stereotypical American distrust of left wing policies) or somebody just being completely off their rocker.
Maybe you should try to find articles and documents that people can read and understand instead of just some video made by some amateur.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
I was in your place about a year ago, and I had to learn to take all of this conspiracy stuff with a grain of salt. I don't blindly believe the official version of things either. I look at it from all angles and decide for myself what is true for me. This way I can still be "Aware". But not go off on tangents into la la land.
From where i sit: both you blind believers and skeptics, defend your arguments like a religious person defends their belief in god. Or like an atheist INSISTS there is no god in the universe.
You can't Step Outside of your perspective and look at things from all angles. You all suffer from a form of fundamentalism. Wether your religious, Atheist, Skeptic, or Conspiracy nut your behavior is all Identical to each other. It doesn't matter WHAT you BELIEVE. your style of argument mirror each other.
The real trick is to flow from each perspective to another. So you can have the benefits of seeing all perspectives. Never spending too much time in one EXTREME perspective your whole life. But, try to BALANCE both extremes.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Shred
The trick is to follow reason and not emotional attachments you might have to a certain position.
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+1
Assuming industrial civilization goes through the crash it was destined for by design, the cities will become the worst place to remain in.
All I know is that regardless of how it goes down, I'm glad that I can survive in the woods. Being at least a semi wild human has it's perks. I'm highly suspicious of any plan to depopulate the planet but given our dependence on resources that are running out and our unwillingness to find alternate means of energy production, It seems that the prudent thing is to learn how to live in the absence of civilization. Once there is one world government under democratic control, we can relax. Until then, my feeling is that things are just gonna get more dangerous. I'm drunk so I'll back any of that up with a reasoned debate later.
This is why survivalism is very important. Although, I do think that we will have enough oil and fossil fuels for a good while.
Yes survivalism is very important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exhalent
I'd say the best thing to prepare right now is stock up on food and supplies.
If you don't have a gun already, it's pretty much a wrap..their saying to own a gun you need a 1 million dollar insurance policy now. Did anyone else see this on the news? or read it on the internet?
Yea stock up on food, because when the unemployment rate gets to a certain limit, I see a mass of people looting,, rioting..after martial law comes in, tear gas, flashbang, mowing down large crowds with machine gun fire, hulling them off to the FEMA camps. It's best to stay in the house when all this goes down.
I seriously doubt that they would come in to people's houses, their strategy seems to draw us out onto the streets.
Theres a good possibility there will be a world war 3. I read somewhere their trying to push China into a war or it might have been Israel? Whoever it's with, the excuse will be behind the so called "war on terrorism".
If you can sustain without the government, that's the best weapon against them. If you can sustain until everything cools down, until they have their new currency and new government like PhilosopherStoned said, we can relax pretty much. I guess whoever is left they'll bring them in, and V-Chip them to be slaves...whoever gets caught.
Hopefully we will have a revolution against this tyranny.
Even if all of this is NOT true, it's best to still be prepared..instead of being "caught with your pants down" by fact and reality.
And michael jackson's death. I think that is to keep the masses distracted, while they go on with their agenda. I mean wasn't it like 4 celebrities that died within a period of a couple days?
I see all this kicking into gear 2010 and later.
Sometimes I wonder which is more fear-mongering:
"A NEW VIRUS HAS BEEN FOUND IN MEXICO AND HAS KILLED 100 PEOPLE, to keep from getting sick we suggest washing your hands, staying away from people who sneeze and cough, coughing away from others, and disposing of tissues when you're done with them."
or
"The people with all the power in the world are trying to depopulate the world. Few people know about them so they can't be stopped. This is how they're trying to kill you: they're going to release a deadly pandemic and force people to get deadly vaccines. Then they're going to enslave you. If their plan doesn't work, they're going to keep trying to kill people slowly and painfully until they succeed. If you don't fight back and risk death in that way, you're going to die."
Oh no wait, because you can just change your points at any time. They're trying to lull us into a false sense of security.
That gun law is a proposed state law.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
And about the celebrities... Have you ever heard of coincidence?
yea buddy. whatever you want to believe :)
I see how you take that to heart :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Belief has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Look, when this law gets passed, then I'll start panicking. When this law becomes national, then I'll start going off-the-wall crazy. You're just being paranoid. Lots of crazy laws have been proposed and not gotten passed.
Lots of crazy laws are being passed around us all the time, and it is becoming more common. I will not be surprised if something like that passes.
did anyone else here about the "carbon tax"? something about cap-and-trade plan?
This may have environmental benefits. But damn, adding a carbon tax on TOP of a gas cost? This is a little extreme. I doubt, taxpayers will get it back...ffs Californians are basically getting i.o.u.s for their income tax returns now.
If gas consumption was reduced by 80%, wouldn't they need to rise the carbon tax to maintain their revenue stream? Can you imagine paying $3,000 or more, to fill up your gas tank?!
No one would be driving, unless your rich. Now the cities would be ok, because there is still public transportation ( unless they shut that down..then our only transportation will be FEMA trains..LOL, can you say slavery? ..no i'm just kidding :) ), but imagine the people that live in rural area, where they depend on their vehicles. They'll be hanging by the throat.
Did you know their also taxing people to stay in jail? In my area, their charging like a $1 a day..and if you don't have it, it comes from your canteen.
What we used to say back in early 2000 is coming true. There's only going to be two types of people in the new world. Poor people, and Rich people.
I just see all of this leading straight down to two things, hyperinflation and eventually civil unrest.
If they go bankrupt on our debt, we become a third world country;
If they print all of the money to pay off our debt, we become a third world country;
If we use the existing money in our money supply to pay off our debt, we become a third world country.
Oh good, I'll have time to play all the games that come out in 2009, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Can we expect to see some warning signs? Wait, let me stop you there. Can we expect to see some warning signs outside of the internet, more specifically outside of conspiracy websites? Also, signs that aren't just misinterpreted normal events?
Taxes on guns are being considered.
You are considered a domestic terrorist if you are a Ron Paul supporter, or have any bumper sticker like the Ben Franklin snake, etc.
Healthcare is about to be taken over, they are voting on it next week.
The constitution apparently means nothing.
Contracts mean nothing (AIG contracts).
They give congressmen hardly any time to read 1000+ page bills (anything can be in them).
They are spending out of their ass.
Bailouts of companies that should have failed.
CEOs of private companies are fired.
Czars are rising in numbers.
Biggest single tax hike in American history (cap n trade tax) is being voted on.
The fed still exists.
Talk of Global Currency.
Unemployment passing the promised numbers and steadily rising even after the bailouts.
This cannot end well for America, at least.
you'll have plenty of time to play games, even during 2010. I think we won't start seeing any signs of anarchy to maybe mid to late 2010, possibly 2011, when hyperinflation kicks in ( which might be in 2 years, might be at the end of this year ). I'm no economist though and I really can't be sure. I think CBS said we'll see hyperinflation in the next 5 to 10 years, but plenty of us think it'll be way sooner than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pojmaster17q
The stimulus packages and the job packages obama's doing buys us a little more time, giving the masses "False hope".
The real question is whether or not the citizens will realize what caused this crises.
I'll probably just stock up on supplies and try to convince my family to move the "F**K" out of the city into a more rural area, once the signs start showing. You definitely don't want to be caught in the streets in the inner city during civil unrest and martial law.
I think people should take their money out of the bank. Unless you want to lose it....401k plan, college savings, all that s**t.
The internet is really the only place for real news on what's going on, fox news and all of that other bull, is used to make you believe what *they* want you to believe basically. But don't take my word on all of this, educate yourself, research this stuff.
In the mean time, I'll just be playing video games, hanging out, having fun, enjoying life. When the time comes, it comes..looks like this economic crash is inevitable. 14 trillion dollars is a HUGE amount of money, their going to run the printing machine dry trying to cover that. I'm just the type of person I like to be aware..aware of what's going on.
all right, second question: when should I start to worry about the government trying to kill/enslave me? Because it's good to know my status even if I don't really believe what you do.
Trust me, you're a red sticker.Quote:
Originally Posted by pojmaster17q
You know what, it could actually be a genius plan to ONLY kill the "5% who are not asleep." Think about it: They spread rumors/"proof" that the vaccine is tainted on conspiracy sites, so the only people who don't get it are the conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of things they could do with this. Maybe the vaccine is also an antidote for some airborne toxin. Maybe it really is a vaccine against a new genetically engineered disease. Then the only people who will live are the "sheep."Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Alternatively, the vaccine has nothing wrong with it and the NWO or the lizard-people are doing it just to add more proof that conspiracy theorists are wrong and you should trust your government.
Anything could be true with the amount of "proof" there is. You never tested the vaccine yourself, did you?
Because they're really going to rely on stickers for who to kill, and stickers are just that hard to tamper with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
I also thought about that....see i always think of the possibilities, and there's really no telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by pojmaster17q
swine flu hoax is not just on conspiracy sites, it's actually on some news sites. Did you look at that link i posted about the 1976 swine flu scare?
Seeing as their "amping" it up in mainstream news, and seeing as the masses get 99 percent of their information FROM mainstream news, I think possibility of that is unlikely.
I hear they have technology to manipulate brain waves and control your thoughts through radio or microwaves.
Read this, it's called "project blue beam", obviously tons of research has been done into this.
Like anything, read this with an open-mind, this almost sent a chill down my spine.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proje...m25jul05.shtml
*OR* consider this an alternative theory..which seems to me WAY more plausible.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275070/pg1
NEVER 100% believe ANY of this stuff, read it with an open mind, and consider it's possibilities.
I can only go with my intuition, and what agrees with MY logic and reason. And my intuition is leaning towards that second theory that project blue beam is a hoax.
But forget about all of that, if you learned nothing from what I just posted and think it's all "bollocks", remember this:
Do not fear anything, not even death. The powers that be have been controlling the masses through death for who knows how long. Illumanati ( which is not a conspiracy anymore it's actually fact and reality ) have known for thousands of years that death doesn't exist. We are energy and we simply just change bodys after dying.
Fear is the easiest way to manipulate people, even on a small scale ( like between two people ). The only thing you can say is 100% real is feelings and emotions.
So who knows what absolute truth is in this world...this world is based on deception and lies.
Clearly we are spiritual beings, and this has been suppressed by the elites by a number of ways, including banning psychedelics like DMT and salvia. So the human collective unconscious theory makes more sense to me, it even agrees with quantum mechanics.
With the human collective unconscious, whatever us "humans as a whole" believed, it can happen. Which is what i said back in a thread a couple months ago. If a certain percentage of humans meditated or even just "thought" about world peace it would happen, we could literally turn this earth into a paradise if enough people knew this. This life is like a lucid dream for human beings as a whole.
Do you actually think that our ancestors, and the ancient mayans were all crazy about what they were talking about? they actually were VERY intelligent, there's some pictures of some of the tools they used. Their technology looked like what we're JUST discovering now, or have just recently discovered, some we don't even know WHAT it is. Myths are not entirely false, all myths stem from some kind of truth.
Check out these out-of-place artifacts. Look at their tools.....it's amazing.
Ancient Artifacts
Damn..did i go off on a rant? sorry lol...i've completely derailed topic
Back on topic, I'm about to drop all this conspiracy stuff. Whatever happens, happens, as long as you keep fear OUT of your mind, you'll be fine. There's really no telling what's in store for us in the next couple of years. But we'll soon find out.
You seem to respond to anything that you can associate 'conspiracy' with.
Gosh, some of your arguments are just sad man.
Typical of me being a federal agent to debuff what you've said, but geez louise, it doesn't seem to matter what anyone else says to you. :?
Look, a lot of what was stated in those links sounds like a bunch of religious paranoia created in response to a world that is increasingly losing its faith to be replaced with more tangible versions of truth.
Personally, I do buy into the idea that there is more to ancient civilization than we know. For some reason you seem to correlate the ancient people being more technologically advanced than we know with them being very intelligent. Therefore, they are correct about 2012 being the doomsday and therefore it must be the government blah blah blah.
I never said anything about 2012, i kind of just dragged this whole thing off topic about ancient civilizations and how advanced they were. Didn't the aztecs perform brain surgery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
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Anyway, there really is no telling what's in store for us the next couple of years, there's a lot of possibilities though. I'm going to stop posting all this conspiracy stuff on here. But if you really want to know what's going on, research it on the net, specifically infowars.com , it's not conspiracy, a lot of that stuff on that site is true but not on mainstream news. If anything you can check out that site, and compare it to mainstream news...then just sort out the bulls**t for yourself.
But one thing for sure is that the economic system crash is inevitable, and I see things going downhill from there. I really hope this will get better though.
No ancient civilization performed brain surgery. They did perform skull surgery. I'm not in the mood to research it and don't know off the top of my head, but it has something to do with a condition where pressure builds up in the head. They would drill a hole through the skull to relieve the pressure. I believe that skulls showing the surgery have been found in Russia as well, though I could be wrong. That I know off, all the skulls that have been found were healed indicating that the patient lived for a good time after the surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
This does not mean that they were advanced: You or I could do it in the woods with a flint drill. It does mean that they were smart and made a good guess.
I'd dispute it was because they were smart; bore holes in the skulls were actually part of a religious ceremony to let demons out of the brain.
I don't know if releasing pressure was another reason but certainly the above was a factor.
I don't see how that impunes their intelligence. They had a problem and a model. The model was an accurate description of the problemto the extent that it allowed them to solve said problem. That's intelligence in action. We have better models today, not more intelligence.
It impunes their intelligence because there was no rational reason (i.e. evidence) that it either worked, or that there was a problem in the first place, and the result of the operation is a bloody big hole in your head and quite possibly death through blood loss or infection.
The majority of people in developed countries are definitely more intelligent than they were historically. Genetically it is disputable, but the intelligence which we learn, and the intelligent approaches we have learned as a society (for example skepticism) have clearly improved over time historically.
I.Q. tests also show a constant rise since their implementation (to the present day). Some say that's due to more visual environments, but whatever the reason, the increase is extremely apparent.
I'll have to do more research on this. I believe that the reason they would have had to believe that it worked was the cessation of pain though and that said pain would be their reason for knowing that there was a problem in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
That's just cultural bias. They were adapted to our environment, we are adapted to ours. I see no reason to consider scepticism to be an aspect of intelligence. It is something that is learned and hence not an adequate or even relevant measure of intelligence. The ability to learn scepticism however would be a measure of intelligenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I was once asked who discovered North America on an IQ test. I don't see the relevance of IQ to intelligence. Again, It measures what our culture deems to be intelligence. How many members of our culture could reliably navigate the pacific in a wooden canoe by stars without a sextant? We haven't changed much genetically in about 60,0000 years. You could take a human baby from 30,000 years ago and raise them in a modern culture and they would be every bit as intelligent by our standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Well, I was reading something similar to this in Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman and he talks about how scepticism has been ingrained in modern people; think of my point like this:
You pluck somebody from modern society, and somebody from the ancient Aztecs, and put them in a tent with a witch-doctor, who tells them that their intestines will fall out unless they eat some mud, close their eyes, and dance around for a bit.
Would you not label the person more likely to follow the witch-doctor's advice (i.e. the Aztec) as less intelligent than the other?
I'd already said that we are genetically the same; the point is that intelligence doesn't have a heritability value of 1. Modern society teaches us intelligence.
(How this discussion arose I can't remember but let's roll with it :P).
I wouldn't consider either to be more intelligent. I would consider the person from a modern culture to be better educated concerning the workings of disease and the human body. All due respect to Feynman, he was a genius, but I believe that he was betraying some natural cultural bias there.
I think that we agree and are just arguing about the definition of intelligence. I often seem to get into arguments about definitions :( If we were to take a newborn from the aztecs and from a modern culture and place each in the other culture, then in tweny years, there would be no indication that either had come from the other culture aside from perhaps skin color. They would, by my as-of-yet unformulated definition, have equal intelligence in that they both would have absorbed their culture with equal efficacy.
Yeah, basically you're talking about the genetic component of intelligence... but I think very few people would say that that is the only component. Whatever factor you're measuring, any study will tell you that environmental variation is just as important.
These people = The Bilderberg GroupQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/bilderberg.jpg
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"The Bilderberg Conference is an annual conference which was established in 1954 at the invitation of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeck, the Netherlands. Its main founder was the Polish political philanthropist Joseph Retinger and its members include political leaders, statesmen, academics, businessmen, bankers, and union leaders from Western Europe and the NATO countries. They discuss the political, economic and military problems of Europe and the world." - [HANSARD]
The highly secretive Bilderberg conferences are arguably the most powerful political and economic gatherings on earth. The world's press are never informed that the conference is happening until the last black Mercedes leaves. If the press do find out it is happening they are kept away by secret police and security guards. Many world leaders and senior politicians attend these secret meetings (illegally) along with top royalty.
Prince Bernhard, creator of the Bilderberg, was a card carrying member of Hitler's SS.
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Through lies and obfuscations, Bilderbergers are desperately
trying to foist onto the unwilling world population a totalitarian
One World Government, a single global currency and a syncretic universal religion.
They're slowly taking over the world. And this isn't just about starvation and reducing the population, it's everything.
This is not just some NWO conspiracy theory. These people are real. This group exists. The things stated about them, are true.
We're fucked.
Yea, wakata. Finally at least some of you understand, most others don't believe it or just don't care.
I really hope their plan won't go through. This was well thought out, for centuries at least. They really played it like a chess game and set it up nice, keeping their opponents in the dark. We need to really stop fighting each other and come together as a group consciousness.
What exactly do you mean by that?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Look, if this depopulation scheme is the real deal it's going to be something that effects human beings worldwide. We're talking about something along the lines of a new airborne pathogen, or biosphere disruption. Nothing from outside their little group would do anything. You're best bet is that there are going to be those members who defect and ruin everything for whatever hypothetical world-takeover committee there is.
It's that, or dig a hole that you can live in for many years before resurfacing. Heh, if they've been doing this for hundreds of years, they might still have a few hundred to go. The apocalypse was supposed to happen thousands of years ago, and it was supposed to keep happening as every year passed and folks kept predicting it. It hasn't yet.
There doesn't need to be a conspiracy for depopulation; depopulation is going to happen anyway, probably pretty soon.
it seems everyone these days always tries to play it safe all the time and play it down the middle or say something of no importance or just not give an opinion but try to sound sage. i believe eugenics is currently going on on a massive scale we dont even understand and most people wouldnt believe if you told them....they would say you were crazy. thats alright though. our culture has become too consumed the the right/left political theater that they use to divide and conquer while we are busy arguing about gun control or illegal aliens or gays they are screwing us in broad day light. you are losing freedoms.
Please explain why nobody but you has noticed these massive scale eugenics. I'd think that selectively breeding people on a mass scale would be more apparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
Reason is flawed. Emotions are flawed. Both can be flawlessly used together? BALANCE. Reason is an extreme, and has a limited view. emotion is an extreme, and has a limited view. Balance both without going to one extreme = far less limited than either view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
^ + 5
Back that up. Because as far as we know, emotion doesn't have any use in discovering objective truths. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Shred
I never thought I'd have to argue this with anyone.
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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
look up cancer rates and sperm rates in the last 50 years. its not about breeding the perfect race right now as it is about getting rid of useless eatersQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkLucideity
All of those things can be attributed to so much environmental and dietary changes over the course of said 50 years that it's not even funny blame it on some lame ass global conspiracy. It's a byproduct of greedy capitalists making money at the expense of their wage slaves. They're just doing the math and realizing that the money that they can make is more than enough to compensate any class action lawsuits that are likely to arise. Old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
Ok. First of all, everything - my view.
I'm trying to stay open minded towards that stuff.
About a year ago, I have watched a bunch of documentaries
and got generally interested, also since it seemed that there
were claims, even outragous ones, that could be checked and
appeared to be somewhat accurate.
But these sites and movies are, of course, not a basis for information.
So I started to try to stick to sources I feel I could rely on. It got me
interested a lot more in politics and economics and I think that I did
start to get a general understanding of certain situations.
(Also I have studied business administration for 3 semesters, before
I realized that this is not something I would want to do with my life)
So, over the last year, I have been reading along on a variety of
economical, as well as political forums, read authors like Noam
Chomsky - someone I would recommend, read books on history,
as well as different globalization-critics, like attac (as an organization),
Naomi Klein and John Perkins. I'm gathering daily news from many
different sites (no conspiracy sites) and am trying to get deeper into
claims, that seem outragous. I also am viewing different points of view,
e.g. the opposition, try to follow the 'known for objectivity' papers and
if I stumble upon an article that uses a document as a basis for argumentation,
I usually emidiatly skip to the document itself and try to form my own
opinion, as best as I can - which admittetly is not always that simple.
I've come to realize, that those who put up these theories many
times take events and put them into a subjective context, whilest
there could be many different interpretations. But - and that I am
pretty sure of - decicions, wether economical or political are led
by personal interest and the portrayel in the news, any major news
station or newspaper, is laughable.
It shouldn't be surprising to anyone, that power corrupts. And it
becomes obvious pretty quickly, that most of the decisions made,
wether by the governments or the major ecological organizations,
are dictated by interest. To me - the whole developement we are
facing, almost appears natural.
Every organization that has influence on any geoplitical decisions
is a multi-billion dollar business. And I think no one would deny
that lobbyism exists. Also the fact, that many of the politicians
are chairmen or at least have strong financial interests in companies,
should worry or be discussed a lot more than it is at the time.
Free media is not free, which is one of the most important pillars
of any democracy. Terror is being used as an invincible, everlasting
outside threat to monger fear and to push laws that cut individual
rights. The European Union is actually just discussing to start
monitoring all of the financial transfers, because of terror, and
then automatically sending these informations forth to the American
government. We seem to be turning into a world of surveillance, at
least in the US and Europe. And if it doesn't come to a stop at some
point, the predictions that are so often easily brushed off, might just
become reality.
To me, wether there is a small group of people planning their agenda
in the dark, or for it to happen naturally through people pushing the
limits for their gain through great holes in the democratic system, as well
as the world market, as well as the financial system (!) doesn't really
matter. Political decisions have been pushed through, where I thought -
these could never pass, obvious lies have been told, where I thought -
people would never buy into them and personal liberties have been given
out by the people, as if they were candy.
If there is a thing we can learn from history, it is, that we need to watch
our rights very closely and not have them undergone. If there is a gap
in the system that allows people to be corrupt, they will be. It doesn't
take a group of people to plan it, it will happen if it is being made possible.
I am not at all suggesting, that I know what is going on. On the contrary,
I think that I most certainly don't. Neither do the 95% who really have no
clue, nor do the 5% who think they do (numbers taken from page one).
But what I am suggesting is that people start educating themselves and
stay that way, as unbiased as possible, because the official versions often
are no less outragous, than the stuff Alex Jones makes up.
As for the Depopulation of the earth:
I have yet to see a reasonable source for this claim.
I'm quoting this from the first page:
So, Dr. Rima Laibow makes the claim, that 3 billion people willQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
die, as supported through the WHO technical report series
"Diet, Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic Disease". This
is a pretty easy thing to check, it can be downloaded right here:
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_trs_916.pdf .
I have searched through the 160 pages, admittedly very loosely,
but I could not find any evidence to support the claims she made.
Even though many of the claims that do seem scientific, are as so
often, very troubeling.
To me, this seems like a perfect opportunity to either debunk or
strenghen one of the very strong and important claims by conspiracy
theorists, about depopulation, which is also what this thread is about.
Anyone read it? Anyone know more, just about this specific article?
I just don't have the time right now, to get further into the paper.
I sees me an awful lot of dookie in this thread...
I was gonna say something, but I figure it just ain't worth stepping in between the ultra-liberal, pro-anarchist conspiracy theorist fucknuts on the one side, and the pro-logic-and-reason fucknuts on the other.
Wait...what?
what about the ultra-liberal, pro-anarchist, pro-logic-and-reason fucknuts such as myself?
and you just did say something. just nothing worth having said. sissy.
EDIT: GAHHHH! thats a terrible analysis......most of the conspiricy theorists are either constitutionalists (ultra-conservative) or don't know what the fuck they believe but are being manipulated by ultra-conservatives......
And what kind of fucknut would you be then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lëzen
If you really want to know what our governments doing to, and what's really transpiring read "Behold A Pale Horse" by William Bill Cooper. It is important to keep in mind that this book was published before the attack on the World Trade Center and the US is finding itself in exactly the position Cooper predicted. Whether or not you think you might agree with the information in this book, I recommend any book written by someone who was killed for the purpose of silencing him or her. Be an informed citizen and know what your government is capable of. This book tells where he gets his sources, and it has legitimate looking documents..still if your interested you can research it yourself.
I'm done with posting anything conspiratorial on the internet. This is the last thing. So if you want to know the truth, than you should. I have the e-book for free just PM me and I'll send it to you. You really need to be open-minded about this book, and not take it at face value. Not everything is 100% true, but even if 90% of this book is completely bulls**t, that 10% will still blow you away.
Just disregard the stuff about U.F.O.s and aliens in his book, Cooper later said that he was intentionally misinformed about that. I will tell you though, that RFID chip is the ultimate trap, don't get it.
This is book is a good read, definitely worth it. PM me.
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So the bad guys would be willing to kill a man in order to silence him but they wouldn't stop the publication of the book containing the actual information?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
It has a pretty cover at least. It can't be that bad.
don't judge a book by its cover
now that's wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by dajo
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why don't you guys give one of the chapters a try before you dismiss it as a pile of steaming horseshit
yeah, you guys are probably right. I bet the cover is the best thing about it.