http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_f...#Effectiveness
i guess you knew that already genius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_f...#Effectiveness
i guess you knew that already genius.
deathcell, nobody here watches glenn beck, the glenn beck signature i had said
"listen to my bullshit" obviously implying that I DO NOT LIKE beck he is a lying sack of shit.
I think you have trouble reading or comprehending words.
Also, I do not 'follow' any leader or any alex jones or any other person, I know what I know from my own research, so don't fucking tell us who we follow or don't follow you wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what it is you are talking about, try taking your head out of the sand for a moment.
In massachusetts law, a bill was passed forcing police to go door to door forcing the h1n1 swine flu vaccine, mandatory...if you refuse you get a 1,000 dollar a day fine, every day you don't get the shot.
Uhhhhh yeah well done, that's fluoridated water. Not water. :lQuote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
And it's a health benefit.
What health benefit, being docile and slow?
I live in Massachusetts, and this shows your twisting of facts.. because their is a lot more detail to that. No ones come to my door, a pandemic has to be declared I believe by the Governor but I'd have to check on that.. and I don't know about these finesQuote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
If you are referring to fluoride, I believe it's for the same purpose as tooth paste.. because poor people don't brush? lolQuote:
What health benefit, being docile and slow?
Well obviously they havent declared a state of emergency in Massachussets yet, everyone knows that. You seriously need to stop putting words in our mouths. We never said that they were already forcing vaccines on people door-to-door. Guerilla said that a bill was passed that would allow them to do it. In every single post, you have taken our words, twisted them, and then tried to make us look like fools because of your spin on these issues. When in fact, you are only making yourself look like a fool.
Yah, I saw your post saying that you wrote your politicians telling them not to force vaccines. Thats one thing i can commend you for. Good for you. Its a valiant effort, even though it wont stop them, especially in MA. The Georgia legislature is not in session right now, and none of the representatives here or senators are meeting, thats why I havent brought it up with them, but yes we do have laws on the books here in GA that already allow our population to be forced immunized by order of the Governor. I'll make a not to bring that up next time i see my representative at the next function.
Deathcell, a pandemic was declared, in the summer, unless you've been hiding under a rock for 6 months, we are at a global pandemic level 6 THE HIGHEST LEVEL PANDEMIC IN HISTORY.
So yea, another case of, you are full of shit.
Either way, mandatory or optional, there is no way in Zeus's butt hole that i'm getting any shot.
There is such a bill permitting the government of Massachusetts to do such a thing, Senate Bill No. 2028. But the independent (more like bullshit) media likes to put a spin on things to scare their readers.Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
Allow me to point out the relevant section, with a legit government website listing the full text of the bill.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sena...02/st02028.htm
This section merely gives the government power to actually do something if the shit hits the fan and people are dropping dead in the streets. Is that going to happen? No, swine flu is hyped up bullshit. Rest assured this will not be exercised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Section 13 of Senate Bill No. 2028
This essentially allows the sanitation of public places infected with an infectous disease. This is so that the Typhoid Mary who insisted on dragging their sick ass to the restaurant and infesting the entire building doesn't infect any more individuals.Quote:
...The written order shall specify the reasons for it, and may include, but is not limited to:
(1) requiring the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;
(2) requiring the owner or occupier of premises to close the premises or a specific part of the premises, and allowing reopening of the premises when the danger has ended;
(3) requiring the placarding of premises to give notice of an order requiring the closing of the premises;
(4) requiring the cleaning or disinfection, or both, of the premises or the thing specified in the order;
(5) requiring the destruction of the matter or thing specified in the order.
Here is the part more relevant to our discussion:
There's the interesting part. But what this text does is in effect delegate the power to the government to do this if they deem it nessecary. Now, and until this bullcrap is over, it won't be nessecary. This is simply a precaution in case, like I said before, shit hits the fan and people are dropping dead in the streets.Quote:
(b) Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority:
(1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis to individuals as protection against communicable disease and to prevent the spread of communicable or possibly communicable disease, provided that any vaccine to be administered must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and
(2) to treat individuals exposed to or infected with disease, provided that treatment must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual.
An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.
This text is NOT an order to go door to door and force vaccinations on people no matter the circumstance.
This part of the bill just permits involuntary treatment, but only that which is nessecary to determine the extent of the disease. You have full right to refuse any other treatment, but you must be held from other people until the disease kills you because you were a shit-brained imbecile who didn't want life-saving treatment.Quote:
(c) Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health, the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority:
(1) to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any individual; provided that decontamination measures must be by the least restrictive means necessary to protect the public health and must be such as are not reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and
(2) to perform physical examinations, tests, and specimen collection necessary to diagnose a disease or condition and ascertain whether an individual presents a risk to public health.
If an individual is unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis, the decontamination or diagnosis procedures may proceed only pursuant to an order of the superior court. During the time necessary to obtain such court order, such individual may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal to submit to decontamination or diagnosis procedures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.
(d) (1) When the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction reasonably believes that a person may have been exposed to a disease or condition that poses a threat to the public health, in addition to their authority under section 96 of chapter 111, the commissioner or the local public health authority may detain the person for as long as may be reasonably necessary for the commissioner or the local public health authority, to convey information to the person regarding the disease or condition and to obtain contact information, including but not limited to the person’s residence and employment addresses, date of birth, and telephone numbers.
(2) If a person detained under subsection (1) refuses to provide the information requested, the person may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.
(e) This section does not affect the authority of the commissioner or a local public health authority to take action under any other provision of law or under any regulation promulgated pursuant to law.
Look. Your rights end where mine began. This is different from forcing people to get cancer or heart treatment. Those diseases don't spread like infectous diseases do. At the very least, government SHOULD have the power to contain people (and *just* contain people), but this power must be excersiced RESPONSIBLY. The precedent shows that this will, most likely, not be a problem.
So, to summarize. There are no door-to-door vaccinations. There is no involuntary treatment beyond determining the extent of disease and isolation. This is nothing new. If you have the fucking plague and don't want to get treatment for it, stay the fuck home and don't give me your germs. If you don't want to do that, then someone has full right to contain you.
Responsible and government don't belong in the same sentence.
ACTUALLY MORON.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercuflea
That's his post.. At no point does he mention states of emergency... Of course this is typical of a propagandist, or a simple fool. To leave out very important details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guerilla
It's really not a conspiracy.. that's the thing.. People are over-scared about H1N1 I believe but if people started dying by the hundreds of thousands... you'd all be a lot more willing to take the vaccine.Quote:
Yah, I saw your post saying that you wrote your politicians telling them not to force vaccines. Thats one thing i can commend you for. Good for you. Its a valiant effort, even though it wont stop them, especially in MA. The Georgia legislature is not in session right now, and none of the representatives here or senators are meeting, thats why I havent brought it up with them, but yes we do have laws on the books here in GA that already allow our population to be forced immunized by order of the Governor. I'll make a not to bring that up next time i see my representative at the next function.
It's not going to happen, and their never going to declare a state of emergency.
Yes and we all saw how pandemic like it was in the United States? Very few people... It has to do with our Governor declaring a state of emergency.. which would obviously involve large amounts of dead people.. and I don't see that happening any time soon.Quote:
Deathcell, a pandemic was declared, in the summer, unless you've been hiding under a rock for 6 months, we are at a global pandemic level 6 THE HIGHEST LEVEL PANDEMIC IN HISTORY.
So yea, another case of, you are full of shit.
Either way, mandatory or optional, there is no way in Zeus's butt hole that i'm getting any shot.
Had this been an actual serious disease.. causing millions of deaths you would be more than willing to take the shot..
I'm full of shit? Really another case of you mis-understanding and claiming to insult me? The governor of Massachusetts has not declared a Pandemic in OUR STATE(MA).. you moron.
The pandemic system must be new if they call this the highest level of pandemic ever seen lol.
Hey mini thanks for some more sanity being added to this thread.. some of the people on this forum are so paranoid it's obnoxious.. Though these are the same people who think their is a giant conspiracy controlling the whole world, as if it's a simple goal to control billions and billions of people and hundreds of different government.. Oh yes their one world order their working for.. they use the Euro as proof lol... shared money systems are now a conspiracy.. at least when they listen to neocon fear mongers like Jones lol
Responsible and Government is the whole purpose.. I know you must be an anarchist or simply ignorant to how much worse off we could be. Please see the many different kind of governments that have existed that would have had you killed by now.
No government is perfect, no politician is that great.. but it's better than Kings and Serfs you stupid fuck.
ACTUALLY, MORON.
I was referring to your post, saying that in the bill a pandemic has to be declared by the Governor before they can perform these actions. Just because the State of Emergency hasn't been declared immediately upon the passage of the bill, doesn't mean that the bill is nullified. It's on the freaking books! At any point, should the Governor of MA deem it necessary, a State of Emergency regarding a pandemic can be declared in MA, and they will then have the "justification" for forcing vaccines, or fining and forcing quarantines on people who refuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCell
Just saying that "they are never going to declare a state of emergency," doesnt make it so, and only shows your unwillingness to look into the matter.
Goto the world health organizations website deathcell, they declared a world/global pandemic level 6, same level as the spanish 1918 millions dead flu....so your governor doesn't have to declare a pandemic, its been declared internationally already a long while ago.
I just heard on the news that workers in some companies will have a mandatory swine flu shot. If they don't take it they will be fired. I think this is bullshit. It not only violates the US constitution but the UN declaration of human rights.
I can't believe that some of you are still acting like it's no big deal. Is that how you are going to act when you get sick from a flu shot? Is that how you are going to act when you're hauled off to jail because you refused to take it?
ITT: People who are afraid of needles and hate authority.
Ahhhh The Cops Are At My Door With Needles Ahhhh!! Help!
Well aware and have read the entire bill.Quote:
I was referring to your post, saying that in the bill a pandemic has to be declared by the Governor before they can perform these actions. Just because the State of Emergency hasn't been declared immediately upon the passage of the bill, doesn't mean that the bill is nullified. It's on the freaking books! At any point, should the Governor of MA deem it necessary, a State of Emergency regarding a pandemic can be declared in MA, and they will then have the "justification" for forcing vaccines, or fining and forcing quarantines on people who refuse.
Just saying that "they are never going to declare a state of emergency," doesnt make it so, and only shows your unwillingness to look into the matter.
Sorry about the double post.. didn't see a way to upload without.
Read.
Good news here, kind of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Shred
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New York Nurses Suing State Over Forced Vaccinations
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009
A group of nurses is suing the State of New York over mandatory H1N1 vaccinations, claiming that the threat of being fired for refusing is a violation of their civil rights.
The nurses, based at Albany Medical Center, say they have been told they will face a week of suspension without pay, followed by termination if they don’t get both the H1N1 and the seasonal flu vaccines by the end of October.
The New York mandate requires all health care workers to receive the vaccinations before the end of November.
The nurses say that they do not believe the vaccines are as effective as maintaining a good level of hygiene in preventing the flu.
They also state that the possible side effects outweigh any benefits, noting the fact that the H1N1 vaccine has been rushed through testing and production.
“I have had more staff that have become ill after the flu vaccines this year than coworkers that have actually come down with the illness,” Lorna Patterson, one of the nurses, told News 10 wten in Albany.
“People are being forced to do something by the government acting blindly for reasons that are not clear, but about which cynicism might not be an inappropriate attitude to take,” the nurses’ lawyer Terry Kindlon added.
“I think it’s reminiscent of the bank bailout of last year.” Kindlon stated.
“These health care workers are being stampeded into this, and we’re supposed to be a thoughtful, rational society that deals with things through due process and careful reflection. That’s not what [New York] want(s) them to do here. They’re saying, ‘Look you guys, get the shots or in two weeks, you’re on the street.’ That’s criminal. That’s ridiculous. That’s insane.”
The party say their lawsuit will be filed with New York Supreme Court before the end of the week.
This is the second high profile lawsuit filed so far by healthworkers over mandatory vaccinations. Earlier this month the Washington State Nurses Association filed a federal lawsuit against MultiCare Health System for instituting the policy at both Tacoma General and Good Samaritan hospitals.
Nurses across the country are standing up against government intimidation to take the shot, pointing out that the vaccine has not been properly tested and contains mercury, squalene and other dangerous additives.
Read Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy and then see if you want a vaccination.
I see all the interest in mandatory swine flue vaccines in Massachusetts and only one person has bothered to download the files I provided.
I was talking to my neighbor last night and I asked her if she was going to take the H1N1 vaccine, she said like hell no, her nor her baby is getting any vaccine. She then went on to tell me that the Redskins cheerleader took a seasonal flu shot and got severely fucked up. I looked this up today, the girl is really fucked up, she can't talk right or she can't walk right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VMRWLgF8V8
You want evidence that these vaccines are deadly? I suggest you read this
Dr. Andrew Moulden (Interview): What You Were Never Told About Vaccines
http://vactruth.com/2009/07/21/dr-an...bout-vaccines/
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Dr. Moulden, we understand that you have made a revolutionary discovery. Can you tell us about it?
I would be happy to.
Through my extensive research and my work throughout the years, I have discovered that vaccinations are causing impaired blood flow (ischemia) to brain and body from clinically silent to death. These are strokes – across the board for all of us. I have reason to believe that all are being affected and all vaccinations ARE causing the overwhelming rise in autism, specific learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders, sudden infant death, gulf war syndrome, dementia, seizure disorders, some cancers it would appear, and much much more.-quote.
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The damages acquired are additive and summative with each vaccine. By example, I have now demonstrated that the teen girls that are having severe adverse effects from Gardasil, including death, are actually experiencing a completion of the additive neurovascular damages that were adding up with EACH childhood vaccine. -quote.
Also look into Jane Burgermeister.Quote:
What do you think of the measures currently being taken in various countries to bring in compulsory vaccination against a potential swine flu pandemic?
This is genocidal. Those that will be harmed will those that have received the most vaccines since the damages are additive from each vaccination. The younger generations will be hardest hit – immediately and delayed. We are about to inject MASS vaccinations, creating M.A.S.S. disorders, on mass scales. This will be brain and body damages for all.
The state has no right to meddle, by law or decree, with the sanctity of the human blood, body, or soul. This is the State imposing it’s will over the individual citizen. This is a looming catastrophe that will create the very thing it purports to avert and then some. We have been here before.
I have attached a second article for you to address this question – complete with pictures to show my point, and make a final heartfelt plea to the citizens of your Countries to please wake up from this titanic ride we are being taken upon – the iceberg is straight ahead. You must take control of the helm – we all must rise to this call, all Nations..now.
I will never again take a vaccine, it's hard to believe this has been going on for so long. This is just plain out genocide.
What's worse is that Obama has declared swine flu a national emergency, this is true I just looked it up.
Without vaccines, a lot of deadly diseases of the past would still be quite common..
The problem with vaccines is some people are bound to have an adverse effect, that is the same with all modern medicine.. You'll be hard pressed to find any drug/vaccine/etc.. that has never had a side effect on anyone and presents no risk..
The real problem with flu "vaccines" is that they don't often work.. but when was the last time you caught smallpox?
If you think that giving out a vaccine that stops a potentially deadly disease but has side effects much more rare than deaths from the disease, is genocide, I think you clearly have no idea what genocide is.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
It's not a coincidence that the vaccines all do the same damage. That's not a risk. That means someone already knows these vaccines are harmful and continues to make them.Quote:
I have now conclusively shown that ALL vaccines, from infancy to geriatric, are causing the exact same brain damages irrespective of what disease or disorder comes out. The damages are specific to end vascular “mini strokes” that are beneath the resolution of our neuroimaging, but measurable in a before/after vaccination protocol.
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Genocide: Deliberate extermination of a race or nation
1+2 != 4....Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
They all do the same damage? Proof? And if they have similar problems than it's probably something with vaccines, but that still doesn't mean it's a plot, it means that some people have adverse reactions...
By giving 1 in a million people side effects... but giving millions immunity to a potentially deadly disease. Mighty inefficient for genocide.Quote:
Genocide: Deliberate extermination of a race or nation