I'm surely stocking up on cannabis seeds for sure, tomato seeds, lettuce seeds, oranges and others...very handy especially the cannabis ones lol
I'm surely stocking up on cannabis seeds for sure, tomato seeds, lettuce seeds, oranges and others...very handy especially the cannabis ones lol
Also, in none of those links but prisonplanet, was "mandatory" mentioned. only thiomersal.
actually the other link which talks about the vaccine being the wrong one talks about mandatory school vaccinations for all children, some colleges are even considering it.
Also today I saw on the msm news that florida has begun swine flu trials on alot of willing (dumb) people (thousands)
also, all hospital workers in new york have to get vaccinated, even though most of the nurses were against taking them mandatory...
This is all preparation to get the average joe ready for forced inocculations
Also, fox news reported that the military is working together with fema on stand by in case of a flu outbreak...suspicious enough?
Why would our own military be called in other then to enforce the taking of vaccines.
Also, the us government has ordered a shipment of about 210 million vaccines, enough to cover most of the population by october...
Oh and if you don't believe me then go out on the web and search for these claims yourself, they were shown on fox news channel, cnn and other news sites like associated press, and reuters...
the so called 'respectable news' (i think they are all douchebags)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...W5g3aRqlqtwvtQ
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He later added that the vaccine would be administered to all submitting a written application accompanied by a medical evaluation.
I know not all of you will completely agree with all of these claims and thats okay but what to me is extremely important is for you and everyone else you know, everyone on this thread...
Is....to BE CAREFUL! be weary of what the government and their big pharma and wall street cronies say, don't trust the government blindly and do not let them forcibly inject you with anything for your own healths sake.
I worry in these times about the future of our planet, our species, and every other species.
oh yes and last but not least
The biggest reason this is being done:
MONEY!
profits at pharma will be substantial.
I had a hunch it was for the economy..Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
everything comes to an end. so.... why worry? you're wasting time that you could be enjoying.Quote:
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i agree with the being careful about trusting doctors/ government though. and i wouldnt get the swine flu vac. only because im a soldier and have survived a gunshot to the heart. no flu virus is gonna stop me.
oh trust me, i still enjoy myself despite worrying.
Oh man, if only you knew chemistry. Only because a compound has a mercury atom in its structure does not mean anything. Mercury does only damage the body if it is in its ionized form, and it doesn't become ionized if it's part of an organic compound. A percentage of mercury in mass means absolutely nothing, what matters is if the mercury can be freed as an ion or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia
But of course you didn't know that.
Just because one anti-septic is highly allergenic doesn't mean anything either. Anti-septics are poison, poison that kills bacteria, and you cannot expect it to not damage the human body at all. Yes, there are many anti-septics which are harmless, but not every of them is.
But of course you didn't know that.
Also, vaccines are not formulas. Vaccines are damaged parts of the infectious agent (such as a virus envelope or a bacterial capsule), in a way that the immune system responds to it and becomes resistant to the agent, but the agent is incapable of making you sick.
But of course you didn't know that.
Now, to fear a vaccine in 2009 because in 1918 they made a vaccine which was harmful is complete ignorance. I mean, penicillin was discovered in 1928. You can't expect modern medicine to make the same mistakes of a century ago.
a century isn't very long in the sceme of things. peopel will make the same mistakes over and over until we are all dead. Mercury can be damaging to you in any form in high dosages. it's more deadly ionized. a small syringe with an even smaller mercury solution isn't harmful at all though. you probably get more from eating fish or something.Quote:
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also, what's your definition of a formula? I'm pretty sure vaccines are a formula... as in, there is a certain recipe for each vaccine.... making it a formula...
for all we know, vaccines could be a huge cause of cancer years down the road from getting one.
If you're going to die from a flu virus, you obviously have a horrible immune system and will probably die from any minor illness. lol
The problem is that they thought exactly like you did, that its safe, then after years of using the stuff they have found some data to show that it may be harmful.
They are always really slow in finding out if things like that are harmful or not. It can be very difficult to find out what is causing problems in people some times. Obviously people want to be careful though.
You have to weigh the risks, do you want to risk getting the flu that chances are will not harm you? Or do you risk getting Alzheimer which is a horribly disabling disease.
No one believes all the hype, and really there is no reason to.
I am thinking that the US is probably not going to make it mandatory. At least not within a years time. Though we will see the result in other countries.
Man, these are not ignorant rednecks we're talking about. These are scientists. Science has evolved so much in a century it'd be impossible to compare. Take a century before 1918 and people still believed abiogenesis and godly creation to be science.Quote:
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Mercury's not more deadly ionized. It is only deadly if it is ionized. The amount of ionization of an atom in a compound varies, from very high, to very low, no none at all.
Any minuscule concentration of the Barium ion in the body is lethal. However, people use barium sulphate as contrast in stomach X-ray, because the barium in barium sulphate does not ionize at all.
When a metallic atom is in the middle of the molecule, it does not ionize at all. An in any case, vaccines don't contain anti-septics.
Next time, don't say what you don't know.
Oh man, don't start with the semantics. A formula, in chemistry, is a single chemical molecular or ionic compound. H2O is a formula. "Virus envelope" is not.Quote:
also, what's your definition of a formula? I'm pretty sure vaccines are a formula... as in, there is a certain recipe for each vaccine.... making it a formula...
If so, getting sick is also a cause of cancer. To the body, there is no difference between getting sick or getting a vaccine. The only difference is that the vaccine doesn't truly threaten your life. You don't know what a vaccine is, so don't pretend you do.Quote:
for all we know, vaccines could be a huge cause of cancer years down the road from getting one.
That is style without substance.Quote:
If you're going to die from a flu virus, you obviously have a horrible immune system and will probably die from any minor illness. lol
Viruses are easily mutated. People die of common flu frequently - that's why children and elders are recommended to take the vaccine each year.
Under the patriot act, if a state of emergency were declared and a mandatory vaccination instituted; they can simply arrest you and put you in jail if you refuse the vaccine. Everyone who takes it is weakened/killed and those that don't are rounded up and imprisoned.Quote:
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Stop being such a drama queen. It's not like the world is about to end.Quote:
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Just to clear up this bit;Quote:
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The flu pandemic in 1918 was not vaccinated against. It killed 500,000 Americans and more than 20 million people world wide.
In 1976 there was an outbreak of h1n1 at Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. One soldier died and up to 500 other soldiers contracted the disease. Over the course of that year, 40 million Americans were given vaccinations in order to prevent an epidemic. The vaccination caused at least 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), and at least 25 people died from it. Over all, 500 cripplings and 25 deaths out of 40 million is not that bad, but then again, only 1 person died from the actual flu they were innoculating against.
No, the world will never end. It just changes drastically and catastrophically every 80 or so years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kromoh
Do you know how many people have died this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Good thing you are discussing it. Same thing in germany.
This is waay out of line!
Homeless, illegal immigrants.. It's going to be impossible to impose this on ALL people.Quote:
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LOL - I'm sure you're just joking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
Actually, even very healthy people die from it. Their immune system goes into overdrive, turning their healthy cells against them, so the healthier you are, the more at risk!Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
Not with this one. Not yet, anyway. It's mostly those with a weakened immune system that has died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Oh man, if you only knew biology.. What is the point of this sentence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kromoh
You have obviously NOT read my linked material in depth.
All your crap preceding "But of course you didn't know that." I was well aware of, but you can not get some simple facts into your head, which does not invovle the facts you recited.
I have some important matters to attend to now, but read on the health damaging effects of thiomersal.
Thiomersal is not part of the vaccine itself, it's only a supplement. Well, in any case, only one website mentions thiomersal in the vaccines (which happens to be the conspirational website).
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Actually that is the object of a vaccine, not the necessary outcome....
If you think less than a hundred years is enough time to perfect medicine?? Still looking for that real cure for cancer... Rushing vaccines is only going to lead to issues.
Its right on the FDA website. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac...fety/UCM096228
It clearly states that thimerosal contains mercury and is widely used in vaccines as a preservative. Its used so that bacteria and fungi doesn't grow in the vaccine. It also says it has been in decline over years because of people complaining. It also states that the government has a set standard on how much mercury you can safely take while its in one form, but has no standard while its in another form(which they use in thimerosal), but there has been little testing for it. So they just use the guidelines for the first kind. They have also been removing it from use, on vaccines that young kinds take because they are want to be careful and are worried of the effects.
Then it gives a large list of all vaccines and which contains it, and how much is in it. DTaP, DT, Td, TT, HepA/HepB, Influenza, Japanese Encephalitis, Meningococcal vaccines all contain thimerosal.
Most people have probably taken a vaccine which contained thimerosal, some time in their life. Likely more than once, though I don't blame people for wanting to limit their exposure as much as possible. If you stepped on a rusty nail, I am sure most people would get a tetanus shot, even if it had thimerosal in it. However the flu shot has always been an optional thing, and many people get along fine without it. Since the new flu isn't any worse than the old one, no one should be forced to take it.
Man. First of all, it's not mercury, but ethylmercury. Calling it mercury alone is like saying carbon instead of carbon dioxide.
Second, preservatives are not part of the vaccine itself. Which means that its concentration is low enough to be irrelevant.
Third, a single common flu would do more damage to your body than the thiomersal contained in the vaccine, even if it contained free mercury ions. Actually, the weakened antigen of the vaccine does more damage to you than the anti-septic used to maintain the vaccine.
Finally, if the thiomersal really was dangerous, and people started showing symptons of intoxication after taking shots, it would have been substituted long ago. But hey, I took nearly all the vaccines there are, and I'm still alive, healthy and bright (I used to swim in competitions, and you can never trust pools to be clean, so everyone takes shots).