LSD explained for what it is.

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11-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Beyond Reality

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Originally Posted by Noogah

I'm asking a question.

What's the use of LSD in the first place? I mean, besides nausea, logic impairment, increased blood pressure, possible acute depression and bad trips, etc.

Does it do anything...oh...I don't know...useful? Practical? Beneficial? Productive?

Man what the hell are you talking about. There are THOUSANDS of reasons to take LSD (and magic mushrooms of course). It is an incredible substance. It's magical. It opens you up to new creative worlds, that are yet to be explored by most. You can view topics and the world in general in a new light and from different perspectives that you might have missed before. It is mind altering, during the session and after the session. It can permanently change your overall look on life and put a new spin on it. It brings life into the light of spiritualness and it makes the unobvious seem obvious.

Try it before you judge.
11-19-2009, 05:20 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by Noogah

What's the use of LSD in the first place? I mean, besides nausea, logic impairment, increased blood pressure, possible acute depression and bad trips, etc.

Does it do anything...oh...I don't know...useful? Practical? Beneficial? Productive?

First of all, that's the worst description of LSD i've ever heard. I've never known anyone who got nauseous, bad trips are fairly rare, and often the result of the individual being fucked up in the first place. LSD is often used to tread depression.

As for logic impairment, that is hardly the case. While playing online videogames on LSD, my opponents quit and accuse me of cheating because I'm too good. A friend of mine did some for his hockey league and scored 9 goals! That link I posted earlier about the guy pitching a perfect game on acid.

LSD is like a temporary computer upgrade, where you supercharge your processor.
11-19-2009, 10:01 PM
StonedApe

This was just on TV about a week ago, very well put togther.

Does anyone know how long acid will last? Not the effects, but the doses themselves. My friends got a vial right now and he's been putting them on sour patch kids. I'd like to buy some and save them for about a month or 2 from now, but I don't want to waste my money.
11-19-2009, 10:13 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by stonedape

Does anyone know how long acid will last?

I think oxygen and sunlight are the two biggest things that will degrade your acid. Keep it wrapped and out of the sun and it should keep for long enough.

Lol at the sour bears.
11-19-2009, 10:17 PM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by Beyond Reality

It is an incredible substance. It's magical. It opens you up to new creative worlds, that are yet to be explored by most. You can view topics and the world in general in a new light and from different perspectives that you might have missed before. It is mind altering, during the session and after the session.

...these are also known as "hallucinations"

Also not very good for your mind.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

While playing online videogames on LSD, my opponents quit and accuse me of cheating because I'm too good. A friend of mine did some for his hockey league and scored 9 goals!

1.You sure it wasn't just a hallucination?

2.That doesn't prove that your/his logic was not still impaired.

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Originally Posted by BeenThere

Why don't you give it a try and find out?

Come to think of it, there is also the small matter about LSD being illegal. You know, I've heard of people going to jail for using illegal drugs.

I'm not going to jail for a drug, nor will I abuse my mind/body.
11-19-2009, 10:40 PM
StonedApe

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Originally Posted by Noogah

Also not very good for your mind.

Really? Have you ever tried the stuff? Every time I take it I feel like certain illusions I held in my mind have been smashed and I come out of it thinking much more quickly.
11-19-2009, 11:24 PM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by stonedape

Really? Have you ever tried the stuff? Every time I take it I feel like certain illusions I held in my mind have been smashed and I come out of it thinking much more quickly.

I don't need to toast my hand to know that burns are bad for me.

The reason you feel like you're thinking faster is because:

1.Your heart is racing
2.Your brain has had some time to rest during the temporary logic impairment
3.Since you weren't thinking clearly, when you do start to think clearly, it feels much better

Also, I'm no scientist, but from my laymens perspective, making your mind work harder then usual after a dose isn't very good for it either.
11-20-2009, 07:27 AM
dajo

There is no real way to explain. Noogah, you just can't have any idea.
It is a lot different than you imagine, or describe here.
11-20-2009, 09:01 AM
ragincajun2288

Please don't judge

Saying that having an enlightening spiritual trip is not good for your mind is ridiculous. I've taken LSD and Shrooms many times and although I haven't done them in awhile it's not because they made nauseated, impaired my logic whatsoever, or caused any depression, (nor for any of the many trippers I know), it's because I've learned so much from those experiences I feel as if I don't need to trip at all in this point of my life. (But perhaps later I hope :D)

So don't speak on the subject if you haven't personally studied it sir.

Oh, and one more thing, your heart really doesn't race much quicker at all. I've always been very calm on all my trips and feeling my heart beat was a favorite pastime of mine while I was tripping. It's hardly noticeable really.
11-20-2009, 09:20 AM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by ragincajun2288

Saying that having an enlightening spiritual trip is not good for your mind is ridiculous.

...you mean a hallucination? They aren't the same things.

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Originally Posted by dajo

There is no real way to explain. Noogah, you just can't have any idea.

Of course there isn't, and of course I can't! That's because it's a psychotic hallucination which cannot be translated into English language.

It's a hallucination. A byproduct of a mere chemical imbalance.

That's as deep as it goes. Taking a drug cannot enlighten you, no matter how weird things can get.

You know, I used to love standing on a balcony above the sea, and feeling the wind rush past my face, smelling the salty air, and watching the waves crash against the shore. I would hold my breath until I almost swooned, and then breathe again. It was so peaceful and relaxing. It was probably the best experience anyone could ever have.

Then one day I held my breath for too long. I never went near that balcony again.
11-20-2009, 04:56 PM
Beyond Reality

Psychedelics are everything but BAD for your mind.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

...these are also known as "hallucinations"

Also not very good for your mind.

No, Noogah, I'm not talking about "hallucinations". When under the influence of one session of LSD or magic mushrooms there certainly are some very incredible hallucinations (and they can be very relaxing and creative, sometimes even relieve stress and depression), but those are not the mind altering aspects of the drug I'm trying to communicate to you.

I'm talking about the quieting of your ever so mouthy outer voice. The one that constantly insists on yelling it's first impression thoughts at you. It is stilled, so as to let your INNER voice come out, and speak for a change. And that, my friend, is truly enlightening. It is the thing that so many of us search for in life. Many people are so lost, going about their day, trying to find the right thing to fill up the void inside of them, sometimes with worldly things such as sex, or alcohol. Sometimes they are workaholics or have to constantly be active in community services. The answer to these situations of people who are searching for a filler to the void is SO SIMPLE. The void is a result of a lack of their inner voice. Yoga and forms of meditation are also wonderful ways to find yourself, still your out voice, and bring out your inner self, but talking psychedelics is far more convenient for most of us, and usually much deeper.

As you so often love to bring up, there is a chemical imbalance in your brain when under the influence, I understand that. LSD trips require it produce the divine effects. But if having an imbalance in brain chemicals for a short period of time is the only thing holding you back from the ultimate exploration of your inner mind and body, then why not take the drug? The effects on the mind, as well as the brain chemicals, are not permanent. Soon enough you are back to normal with no damage to your body, and you have gained so much for your mind.

I view LSD and shrooms as being very similar to lucid dreams. Lucid dreams can be an inner exploration the the mind and psyche. You can delve into the depths of your subconscious and and come back to reality with a new understanding of your mind and sometimes environment. Do you disagree with this statement? If you don't then I can't possibly see how you could judge upon something so similar in nature.
11-20-2009, 10:02 PM
Noogah

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I'm talking about the quieting of your ever so mouthy outer voice. The one that constantly insists on yelling it's first impression thoughts at you. It is stilled, so as to let your INNER voice come out, and speak for a change. And that, my friend, is truly enlightening.

Dude, I get that. That is not "inspiring", it's concentration. You can achieve the same results by simply sitting down in a quiet corner, and sorting through your mind.

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any people are so lost, going about their day, trying to find the right thing to fill up the void inside of them, sometimes with worldly things such as sex, or alcohol. Sometimes they are workaholics or have to constantly be active in community services.

And a chemical cannot fill that void. I know what you're talking about. Every testimony of someone who became a Christian talks about it. A terrible void in their heart. In fact, I've heard of many who actually resorted to drugs to fill that void, but it never lasted. And they just needed more and more. When they became a Christian, God didn't "run out" He was always there for them in trouble, and in need. EVen when things were going right, and I can testify to that.

What happens when you run out of lsd? There goes your "enlightenment". You have to get more. But then, what happens when your stuck in jail with none? When you can't have anymore? Will you sit in a corner and be depressed?

It may make you feel good for a few minutes, but it won't last.

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divine effects

It's a physical effect!!! Don't you get it!? You can't cure lifes problems by constantly entoxicating your mind with chemicals. It can make you feel great, but what good is that? It doesn't solve anything, it doesn't improve your mind or body. It only gives you a few peaceful moments, and wild hallucinations.

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Do you disagree with this statement?

In a way, no. Lucid dreaming brings about a different state of mind, as does lsd. But that's all it is, and I never claim that it's anything else.

A chemical cannot bring about spiritual enhancement.

You can't hurt a ghost with a stick either.
11-20-2009, 10:18 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by Noogah

You can't hurt a ghost with a stick either.

But you might be able to hurt one with the idea of a stick. :D
11-20-2009, 10:22 PM
Bonsay

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Originally Posted by Noogah

And a chemical cannot fill that void.

It's a physical effect!!! Don't you get it!? You can't cure lifes problems by constantly entoxicating your mind with chemicals. It can make you feel great, but what good is that? It doesn't solve anything, it doesn't improve your mind or body. It only gives you a few peaceful moments, and wild hallucinations.

A chemical cannot bring about spiritual enhancement.

A physical brain, a physical universe - a "physical" enlightenment.
"Who are you who are so wise in the spiritual ways?"

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Originally Posted by Noogah

It may make you feel good for a few minutes, but it won't last.

How do you know?
11-20-2009, 11:53 PM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

But you might be able to hurt one with the idea of a stick.

Lol, well, I guess that's true.

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

A physical brain, a physical universe - a "physical" enlightenment.

Precisely my point. While there is a spiritual world, a chemical from the physical world can only bring physical effect, not spiritual.

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

How do you know?

I haven't tried it if that's what your getting at.

But I don't need to try something to know about something. I learn plenty of stuff in school that I don't actually experience.

Are you trying to say that it's not true?
11-21-2009, 12:07 AM
Bonsay

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Originally Posted by Noogah

Precisely my point. While there is a spiritual world, a chemical from the physical world can only bring physical effect, not spiritual.

Sorry. There is no spiritual world. Not the way you're trying to make it. If I cut out some quasi clump of neurons (chemicals if you will) that are responsible for negative emotions, I'd be the happiest person on Earth. If a chemical makes you a Buddha for a certain amount of time, by changing your brains, then that's what it does.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

I haven't tried it if that's what your getting at.

But I don't need to try something to know about something. I learn plenty of stuff in school that I don't actually experience.

Are you trying to say that it's not true?

Yes actually. Studies into the positive effects of psychedelics are being revived. Something that wasn't possible because of people with your attitude. People who like to decide what's generally good or bad based on their feelings.
11-21-2009, 12:33 AM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

Sorry. There is no spiritual world.

We may not live in one, but there is one.

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

Yes actually. Studies into the positive effects of psychedelics are being revived. Something that wasn't possible because of people with your attitude. People who like to decide what's generally good or bad based on their feelings.

And how does this discredit my point that the effects of LSD are only temporary?
11-21-2009, 12:48 AM
Bonsay

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Originally Posted by Noogah

We may not live in one, but there is one.

If we do not live in one, then we don't know if there is one.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

And how does this discredit my point that the effects of LSD are only temporary?

As temporary as World War 2.
11-21-2009, 12:49 AM
SKA

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Originally Posted by Noogah

I'm asking a question.

What's the use of LSD in the first place? I mean, besides nausea, logic impairment, increased blood pressure, possible acute depression and bad trips, etc.

Does it do anything...oh...I don't know...useful? Practical? Beneficial? Productive?

You haven't watched the Documentairy have you?
'Cause if you HAVE watched the documentairy you would have learned that LSD has been succesfully used to treat people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and has been very succesfull at getting addicted people off of their Alcohol or Opiate addiction. It helps scientists, artists/musicians, architects think more freely and more creatively inspired. Leading to an improvement of their work.

So to sum it up: Help people overcome PTS-Disorders, Ending addictions and intense enhancement of creative thought. If that doesn't sound "ufesull" to you then I don't know what will.

Off course you would have KNOWN that LSD hase these marvelous, powerfull, usefull effects if you would have Watched the Documentairy.

So why don't you go watch that Documentairy? Your question "what use has taking LSD?" will be answered in great detail there.

PS: LSD is very unlikely to cause nausea, unless you take rediculously much. Depression and Bad trips are highly unlikely too, unless LSD is taken in severely irresponsible circumstances/doses.
It's actually more likely to Clear up and sharpen your logic thinking, than impair it. It can do that, but again only if taken in irresponsibly high doses. I find it astonishing how people who have obviously never taken LSD, come up with the most rediculous lies and myths about LSD. It's the imprint of propaganda on your mind, believe me.

It's especially amazing how unknowledgable people telling you ghost stories that they heard or read about LSD are not open and willing to listen to Your knowledge and view of LSD, even though you have actually experienced taking it. Instead they stick to this dogmatic belief structure concerning drugs. The globalised authority have imprinted their Drugs-Doctrine uppon you and now you will defend these "beliefs" as if they were your own. Everywhere in the world the same ignorant, hypocritical laws, the same propaganda lies, the same masses of brainwashed anti-drug people. Every government in the world is telling it's people LIES about the dangers of drugs. Why? The same reason so many Governments tell their people lies about the reasons of going to war; The good old Power and Money off course. This Documentairy seeks to make an end to that, starting with Un-brainwashing the people's minds.

Watching this Documentairy will soon crumble and flush away these illusionairy beliefs concerning LSD and instead show you the bare naked, unbiased truth about LSD. That's why I posted this thread: Cause I know alot of people walk around hanging on to a bunch of propagated Bogus lies about LSD and similair substances and this Documentairy is a nice way to make all of the rediculous lies, myths and propaganda surrounding LSD disappear once and for all.
11-21-2009, 02:41 AM
dajo

The things you are experiencing are not hallucinations, at least the profound
things. You experience for a period of time a rewiring of the neuroways of the
brain, giving you an opportunity to actually "see things different", but it's no
more an hallucination then everydaylife. Of course the visuals could be called
hallucinations, but they are not the core of the experience.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

And how does this discredit my point that the effects of LSD are only temporary?

Studies have shown, at least I know of one with mushrooms, that they can
have long-lasting poitive effects, which is not surprising the least. Many, many
people described long lasting positive effects, a new outlook on life.

Life is also temporary, so should we stop living then?

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Originally Posted by Noogah

What happens when you run out of lsd? There goes your "enlightenment". You have to get more.

LSD is physically non-adictive. You don't even want or can't do it too often.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

But I don't need to try something to know about something. I learn plenty of stuff in school that I don't actually experience.

Sincerely: What do you want? You are not open to have your mind changed,
because you 'already know'. If you think you know what psychedelics are
all about, because of school then why come here? Noone is trying to
get you to try them - this is for people wanting to inform oneself.
11-21-2009, 06:43 AM
ragincajun2288

I wouldn't bother...

His mind seems closed. Which is sad. His journey will be short. All things must be experienced before truly understood, this I leave you with.
11-21-2009, 07:52 AM
Noogah

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

If we do not live in one, then we don't know if there is one.

...and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

As temporary as World War 2.

So the effects of LSD lasts six years? Wow!

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Originally Posted by SKA

LSD has been succesfully used to treat people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and has been very succesfull at getting addicted people off of their Alcohol or Opiate addiction

Do you have PTD? Are you addicted to alcohol? Are you addicted to Opiate?

You don't drink cough medicine when you don't have a cough. And even when you do have a cough, you only take as much as you need to get rid of it.

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Originally Posted by SKA

It helps scientists, artists/musicians, architects think more freely and more creatively inspired. Leading to an improvement of their work.

I hear that square dancing on a five hundred year old rickety rotting bridge above a seven thousand foot gulch is also VERY inspiring.

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Originally Posted by SKA

It's especially amazing how unknowledgable people telling you ghost stories that they heard or read about LSD

I do my own research, thankyou.

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Originally Posted by dajo

Studies have shown, at least I know of one with mushrooms

Dude...could you do a little better then that?

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Originally Posted by dajo

Life is also temporary, so should we stop living then?

But when life is over, so is everything else. At least, on this earth. When an LSD experience is over, there is still a life to live.

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Originally Posted by dajo

LSD is physically non-adictive.

1.Yes it is.
2.I meant that in order to continue this new found "enlightenment" you must have more lsd, or else your "enlightenment" is all gone.

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Originally Posted by dajo

What do you want? You are not open to have your mind changed,
because you 'already know'. If you think you know what psychedelics are
all about, because of school then why come here? Noone is trying to
get you to try them - this is for people wanting to inform oneself.

Well excuse me for not changing my mind. You haven't your either. If a post is made to explain LSD, then it should also be open to debates.

I'm not trying to be deviant here. All aspects of a topic should be stretched and covered. It's beneficial to everbody. I'm debating because, well, would it be any fun if everybody here thought the exact same thing?

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Originally Posted by ragincajun2288

His journey will be short.

In other words, I'll die prematurely because I'm closed minded about LSD?

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Originally Posted by ragincajun2288

All things must be experienced before truly understood

I understand that you are weghtless in space. I've never been weightless. True, I don't understand it to teeny detail, but I understand it enough.
11-21-2009, 08:03 AM
Serith

Excellent! I'm sure that's proven to all these people that their positive experiences with LSD were all dangerous lies, and your hostility will definitely convince them to see things your way.

If you want to convince anyone of anything, you need solid sources and arguments, and also to not be insulting, and even then you shouldn't be surprised when people stick with what they know. Otherwise, your argument really isn't better than trolling.
11-21-2009, 09:46 AM
DeeryTheDeer

Noogah, if you're too closed-minded to want to experience anything in life and would rather just hear or read about it at school (as if those external sources are entirely trustworthy to begin with), then why are you on a lucid dreaming forum? Lucid dreams are even more temporary than LSD, and in most cases less vivid or life changing. Your arguments against LSD are very similar to general arguments against lucid dreaming.

Not trying to get too personal, but really.
11-21-2009, 09:54 AM
Speesh

To everyone arguing with Noogah: stop taking his bait. Ignore him and he'll go away, and then we can have some worthwhile discussion!

Great documentary, by the way. Its so rare something this unbiased comes along. I'm all for anything that can help facilitate self-awareness and understanding. I've never taken LSD, but I tried mescaline once and it caused me to become aware of and begin to solve a self-esteem issue that's been around since I was a kid. I really wish they were legal and not so stigmatized, its unarguable that these drugs are capable of amazing things.

And I guess I wouldn't say they're bad for the mind, they just alter brain chemistry for a bit, but they do it in such a way that involves a risk factor. They force the brain through a staggering amount of change in a short period of time. Every mind is different, and not all of them can handle something like that. The stories about schizophrenia aren't propaganda. That shit happens. Still, for this is should be researched, not banned. I'm hoping we see more LSD related research in the near future.

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