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Ah, I see the issue now. Noogah doesnalt understand the idea of a psychadelic experience. He equates it to any other drug like coke, heroin, anything that just gives you a temporary high and then it's over. He doesn't understand that with psychadelics, it's not so much the experience itself as what you gain from it.
My friend I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
Unlike drugs like amphetamines, cocaine, and barbiturates, psychedelics are non addictive and totally different in nature. Most of the people on this blog I would say do NOT take hallucinogens for the high, but instead for the deep understanding and pleasure of an open mind/ closed body.
Our other friend Noogah can't understand that.
My guess is he has been brought up and taught by unlearned and suppressed all out drug haters. (That's a bad thing, you know.) He has a general outlook on all drugs as being "bad for you you".
I'm not worried at all about what Noogah thinks. I don't care if he doesn't like psychedelics, or if he doesn't have enough information on them to make a non ignorant accusation that EVERY hallucinogen is bad. What I'm worried about is the misleading information he gives off to persons potentially looking for this kind of thing (psychedelics) in their life. If I was a newbie to LSD/ Psilocybe mushrooms, and I was looking for information on them, reading Noogah's posts about how they are all "bad" would probably be a major turn off. That's wrong.
Cheers.
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Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
I quoted everything that you said that was relevant! I didn't leave out anything that I didn't find relevant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
What do you wish me to do? Study your entire post and respond word for word?
Fine. I was actually just logging in to tell you that I'm finished with this debate too.
I mean, I think there comes a time that one must agree to disagree. No one is getting anywhere, and it's quite obvious that this helping very little except to make each page of this thread longer, and more heated.
Maybe I doesnalt, or maybe I doalt. Apparently I knew enough to debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
i'm going to respond to you in particular as you seem to be interested in genuinely exploring this subject with an open mind...so interesting to see how varied people's experiences are....i no longer do acid or any drugs for that matter, but when i did, i probably did acid a over a hundred times and mushrooms maybe half that many times...and ketamine once...one time i did lsd everyday, several times a day for a week...and i found that one builds a tolerance for it very quickly...after the second day i could pretty much do any amount...i mean a dozen or more hits and it all seemed about the same...and after three days or so...didn't feel very high at all...in my experience, lsd was much cleaner and more enlightening than mushrooms...but that was in the early 70's and i knew a guy who made it himself and gave it away...that kind of stuff isn't available anymore as far as i can tell...most of the heart racing and such is most likely a result of the speed it's cut with...i feel that it has the ability, (for some people) to completely transform your life for the better...even in a single experience....i would add, that some people should never do it...as an artist i found that it opened up new doors to creativity and gave me a fuller understanding of how the medium i was using (oilpaint) could be used, and expanded my awareness of the possibilities exponentially...i feel i gained years or growth as an artist from what i learned while painting under the influence...in the realm of personal growth, my own opinion is that it is better to take a fairly large dose in a controlled setting with people you trust than to take a small dose...taking smaller doses is a way of trying to hold on to your current reality and that isn't the point....in fact, trying to hold on to anything is a great way to trigger a bad trip...letting go into the experience is a far better strategy....what i learned from it spiritually is too internal and personal to my own life too attempt to convey it with words...and i find that people who try to explain their experiences usually come off sounding abstract and dreamy...the experience for me was anything but dreamy, but like was said, trying to explain the experience is like trying to describe colors to a person born blind...also, unlike many here, i found mushrooms to actually be kind of ego-producing...it sort of made me feel a bit self-important...i've talked to others who said the same thing about them...never found that to be true with acid...i think that the govt position on lsd is tragic...i saw one acid trip and a moody blues concert turn a shit-kicking redneck into a repentant loving compassionate person...one trip and he was changed forever...and i also think that trying to explain any of this to someone who has no experience with it is pure folly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Serith
A trip can totally send you back to small things in your subconscious from your childhood that bothered you and can help you mend them.
I had a problem with impatience and sudden flares of rage for a long time.
While I was tripping I evaluated those flaws in my persona. And when I saw the seconds within seconds in space and time and realized the futility of my anger and impatience I was able to cope much better with every day situations.
It did change me for the better. That fact can not be debated.
And that's great to hear Barry.
Yeah Entheogens give objective insight into the self and that's why it's so therapuitically valuable. It moves people to understand and see into the causes and cores of their own problems. Only then can these "wounds" be healed.
Hi everyone I thought I would share SWIM's experience with LSD in order to help clarify its' actual effects from a (hopefully) unbiased perspective. SWIM is strong minded and happy with himself as a person and his goals in life. SWIM has taken LSD twice and has smoked cannabis off and on for years as well as salvia on occasion. He has also taken other pharms incidentally but has come to the conclusion that they are unsafe and really only smokes (cannabis) and sometimes drinks due to the addictive and dangerous effects other drugs have. SWIM always fully researches the chemical and anecdotal information about a substance fully before he ingests it into his person.
After a LONG time of believing psychedelics were something he could handle mentally and that they would not harm him if taken correctly a situation arose for him to take some doses from a previously "tested" (already taken by a highly experienced friend) in a safe environment. The first time SWIM ate one tab (tiny piece of paper with LSD on it). He was slightly nervous due to its reputation as a dangerous hard drug despite all he has read. Surprising, he felt sober mentally but if he saw something out the corner of his eye, glanced at something quickly, or let his eyes rest (like those hidden image puzzles) he would hallucinate (your creative brain filling in the empty spaces?)
SWIM saw beautiful neon pulsing color changing geometrical patterns and images. He saw stucco ceilings change into alphabetical letters/snakes/etc moving around as if they were in lanes of traffic (starting stopping moving). He saw amazing beautiful colors and vivid visuals whenever he looked at light and "tried" to trip. The stitching in his pants flowed like water, as did grains on wood. SWIM looked at the stars and saw indescribably (or descriptions don't do the experience justice) amazing things.
SWIM felt like a little kid seeing the world for the first time. It was as if everything was the same but more detailed, active, alive, and significant. Whenever SWIM closed his eyes he saw insane visuals, which could either be colorful patterns flying through tunnels of intense light or just vivid images that ranged from awesome to terrifying. Music was incredible and helped bring on visuals that happened in accordance to the music (as if it was a light show to the music). Food was especially delicious (despite the fact it took eons to eat haha).
SWIM watched the sunrise and watched clouds transform into complex alien like structures or ships. The colors were unbelievably vivid and beautiful. Eventually SWIM got to a point where he could control his hallucinations (through focus and thought and only to some extent and with the aid of natural light (sunrise)). SWIM transformed a forest into the richest, deepest red SWIM had ever seen. It blew his mind (it was as if it was a new color red, it was almost wet with color). SWIM focused on blue and changing everything blue and eventually his entire vision was colored a shade of white or blue (mega intense disconnect with reality that he had to eventually break off).
As SWIM left the vantagepoint he briefly looked back to see an enormous cartoon cobra commander saluting him on the wall. (With a feeling as if he was congratulating him for accomplishing all SWIM had set forward to accomplish (visually) with his trip. It was however not all fun and happy. There were a few unwelcome or scary hallucinations that were experienced but he did not let them dominate his trip and therefore were fleeting (funny what a positive attitude and some cannabis can do haha).
Some of these unpleasant hallucinations consisted of closed eye visuals of demon faced people. (Sharp teeth and scary eyes can’t really describe it but they were very unappealing to look at) A pile of gore on the ground that when SWIM asked about them to his friend turned out to be leaves, hearing other people talking in the shower stall next to SWIM when SWIM knew quite well I was alone. These merely bothered SWIM because they were visually unappealing/strange because SWIM knew they weren’t real. They didn’t distress SWIM too much however and SWIM knew the whole time when SWIM was hallucinating or not.
Later on SWIM decided to take a larger dose of the same stock. This time SWIM took two of the same blotters. This trip was similar in the beginning but faaaaar more intense. At the peak he was nearly fully disconnected with the real world (this time not through mental means (meditation? Sort of?) But purely chemical means and only saw a small interpretation of it. He was in a room with his friends and at times thought the house was tethered to the ground and was floating around.
The geometrical patterns and colors rushed at him sooo powerfully from the window he was looking out of that he couldn’t even speak and when spoken to responded harshly because it was all SWIM could do to just take it all in. People around him started to play a violent video game (Nazi Zombies COD) and he asked one of his good friends to help him out of the situation (SWIM wasn’t sure if he would be able to walk next door safely by himself!). SWIM looked at the carpet and heads would emerge in geometrical ways out of the carpet. Reminiscent of Mummy Returns’ head coming out of sand.
The room SWIM moved to was covered in drawings on the walls (real ones haha). They all came alive in their own way. There were clouds of smoke on the walls and they would bubble up the wall as if they were really clouds of smoke. A sketched out drawing would UN-draw itself from super detailed finished piece to less and less detailed to nothing. A picture of a DJ booth boomboxes would pump as if they were actually playing, records spun etc. In general it was similar but just far more intense visually. This time when SWIM listened to music the lyrics if they weren’t cryptic enough or non-existent would be taken literally into SWIM's mind. (Ex. Where’d all the good people go? -Jack Johnson SWIM would feel as if it was his thought or as if it applied exactly to this situation as if SWIM was wondering where all the good people went. This doesn’t really capture it well but I hope it makes some sense)
SWIM also felt as if he could tell what his friend who also was tripping was feeling by looking at her. As if they had some nonverbal communication that let SWIM know how she felt. SWIM felt that he had to take care of her because she was with all of his friends (and one dick who really fucking creeped her out haha) and also she was on the same dosage he was haha. It was sort of stressful in a way because SWIM felt SWIM had the responsibility to protect her and SWIM was in a very difficult state to do so in. She is a good friend of SWIM and SWIM did the best he could to make her feel comfortable and she responded very well (especially for being in a foreign environment/with strangers).
After the peak it continued off in a stronger way as the same one but also with some mental changes as I have described. SWIM played guitar, hung out with friends, smoked sour diesel (which by the by brought him back into full out tripping face every time he smoked again (like literally would see patterns and colors in the smoke as SWIM exhaled (smoke in general was awesome to look at during both experiences and caused SWIM to smoke way too many cigs)), and generally just enjoyed visuals until everyone went to sleep. While by himself SWIM could not fall asleep.
He was still tripping 10 hours after dosage and again was exhausted and just wanted to sleep. SWIM had no music with him (SWIM craved music the whole time as it felt so good/right). SWIM looked at the microfiber blanket he had on him and saw a super miniature Spartan battle rage on a 2d plane (by that I just mean one at a time like a side scrolling video game all in the color of the blanket) of the edge of the blanket. At this point, there were no stimuli to distract SWIM. He began to get lost in his own thoughts. He wished there was someone with him but didn’t want to bother his friends because it was late and they were all very drunk/high in a coma of rest.
This was at the same time the worst and best part of the trip. SWIM had considered himself to be totally mentally prepared and mentally tough enough for the trip. Suddenly thoughts came to mind of an old love interest, which had ended very poorly months before. He had just cut of communication with her and never really gotten closure. SWIM thought he was over her but it all came rushing back in. SWIM was forced to face many psychological issues that night that he had not even consciously recognized he had.
The next morning he felt reborn. He had removed all of the unconscious pain and stress that he had been carrying around without even recognizing it. It was however very intense and SWIM has yet to take it again. SWIM however, plans to take it again when the time is right (both setting and SWIM’s personal mental (spiritual?) preparedness.
In small doses LSD can be a great way to gain new experiences which would never be possible Imo without its’ (or some other) aid. (Both times SWIM took LSD SWIM recognized its power and respected it for what it could do, SWIM went into it both times with the attitude that SWIM would see incredible things and that SWIM wanted to see them and that he accepted whatever it wanted to show him). In higher doses and possibly even in a smaller dose it can be an amazing psychological healing tool to reveal your unconscious to your conscious awareness.
SWIM is an atheist and remains one but after these experiences is a far more spiritual person. SWIM now recognizes that there is a lot that we don’t know about the world we live in and respects nature and the universe in that regard. After seeing the world in a totally new way SWIM realized fully how much he had yet to learn, see, hear, experience and that he needs to be more open then he previously was about our existence. Life is beautiful and he realized the mystery wasn’t something he was angry about not knowing but instead was a reason to never stop searching and a reason to find wonder in our world everyday.
I realize how godamn long that post is but it kind of needed to be to get my point across. Keeping things on topic, that link is broken. What was the video called?
The documantary is no longer available ;_;
Speaking of LSD a few days ago I dropped a tab and a half of some, waited about 2 hours, then smoked a few bowls and went to see the new Avatar movie in the Imax 3D. Some of you may say that this is an irresponsible use of such a powerful drug, and your argument may have merit, but let me say that this was the most visually spectacular, emotionally moving, and most beautifully intense movie experience I have ever had. I wept for joy. I would not recommend doing what I did, but I would highly recommend seeing the movie if you have any interest in the fantasy/science fiction genre. It also gave me (and I suppose may give many of you) some fabulous ideas for dreaming.
Hmm. Just read this entire thread, now to see the documentary. Someone said the youtube links were broken so I searched the Nat Geo website and found this, I'm assuming that's it?: http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ideos/07395_00
Gonna watch it one way or another. It seems very interesting, and I've done a lot of research on this kind of stuff (researching psychedelics in my spare time is kind of a hobby of mine :) ), so I feel like I might have seen it before, but it's always nice to hear peoples' perspectives.
I would really like to give it a try. But I have fear that it trigger a schizophrenia, and I heard it is most likely mixed with other drugs. Have to see the documentary yet.
Don't bring SWIM onto this site...seriously. Man up.
MrFantasy...I thought about going to see Avatar on lsdxm. But I didn't have a ride to the theater. :P Maybe soon though, I still haven't seen it yet but I hear it's awesome.
Also I've realized this combination is two words. Fucking Beautiful. No less.
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Originally Posted by Aquanina
lsdxm..haha nicely said. Suppose that'd be out of bodyísh and visionairy.
Never quite liked dxm myself though.
SWIM plans to do Yoga and Tai Chi on lsdmt.
LSD shouldn't be a tradegood. It should be produced by a group of knowledgable, ideological people that together share the production costs. A small bunch could be sold to close friends untill the production costs have been urned back. The remaining LSD should be stored and shared amongst the relatively small, responsible circle of people.
Acid production is quite complicated and also risky due to it being illegal.
If underground, good quality acid is to be produced properly and cautiously it would be best if it was run by a small company of people.
First there should be some people with a couple of acres of fertile land on which a significant amount of Rye-grain is to be cultivated.
So a farm would be required. A shed on this farm would have to be transformed into a sterile terrarrium for the Cultivation of Ergot mushrooms and the collection of their spores. The collected spores are used to intentionally "infect" the kernels of the Rye grain. This will result in Ergot growths replacing the Rye kernels resembling black grain kernels. These will have to be collected in a barn, ground up into a powder, packaged for conservation and transported to a small lab for the final extraction & synthesis into Lyseric Acid Diethylamine.
So a lab, much more sophisticated than your average amateur-lab, is required too.
So it isn't easy, but if people owning a farm, people with some of the more advanced chemical knowledge, and some people with either money or the nececairy lab-equipment are united and put some effort into it, then it can be done.
And to remain undetected and safe from prosecution it would be best if this acid isn't widely distributed to the wider public, but kept within your small circle of the people responsible for the production + perhaps a couple of close, trustworthy friends just for personal use.
Ok, I'm jealous. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SKA
I've still never tried dmt. :( Hopefully that will change soon though, I'm looking at getting some things to brew my own ayahuasca.
Have you ever tried dxm hbr powder? Or just OTC preparations? I won't lie...I'm a powder fairy. I love the stuff. However when I compare it to things like lsd/shrooms it seems very...hmm...mechanical. Like I'm just vibrating at a super high frequency. It's bizarre. Also it makes OBEs/WILDs extremely easy because you have full control over your body...so it's super easy to control the heartrate/fall into a trance/go into SP or HI/etc. But lsdxm is just breathtaking though.
For those of you who have tried LSD or any psychedelic, I have a few questions, if you don't mind - any and all advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated (excepting those posts à la "dont do it drugz r badd" - aka Noogah, stay out of it) :
1. How did you come in contact with it?
2. Was it out of personal curiousity or did you have friends into psychedelics that were able to give you access?
3. How much did it cost you? ($USD, please.)
4. How would you recommend someone to obtain it?
I don't have any friends that are into psychedelics like I am, and though I've been researching in my spare time for the past couple years, I have yet to try them due to a lack of access and a lack of knowledge about obtaining access, though I know they aren't hard to get where I live. I'm sheepish about asking around because the few people I do know that are into drugs aren't people that I consider to be very trustworthy or knowledgeable. (So, logically, I come online to ask a bunch of complete strangers their opinions ;) )
I know that if I wanted to I could probably get shrooms pretty easily (I'd kind of hope to start with them, because they sound like the best to start with for me personally, from what I've read and heard from those who've taken them), but because I've never paid so much as a cent for even marijuana (always gotten it through friends who were nice enough to spare a couple hits - I'm a lightweight and don't smoke often, so my tolerance is pretty low which makes people more willing to share, plus I gladly splurge for munchies), I wouldn't know how to work with dealers and wouldn't want to risk getting screwed over. I'm not good with anything science-y so dosaging purposes and for the sake of having a trusty person to trip with and get me going in the process of "feeding my head" and such.
I guess what I'm really trying to ask here is how did you come up with the contacts you did, finding people that are interested enough in the stuff to actively pursue it? Because of the illegality of these drugs, I don't think it'd be the best idea in the world for me to go around asking everyone I know if they know how I can get hold of 'em, and because of my own personal trust issues I want to know how to best build up a relationship with a tripper/dealer. Any advice would be great.
Thanks in advance - and I will read and respond to your posts, I promise!
-Katie
Real quick...I just want to mention that there should be no supplier or price discussion on the site. I don't think that's really what you're asking for Katie, but I just wanted to prevent any discussion from going that route. ;)
Haha no. I guess my question about price is generic, but if you'd like me to take it off I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
No worries...your questions were ok. Generic prices and such are ok...I've just seen this sort of discussion get into dangerous territory before and wanted to prevent that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by katielovestrees
As for LSD, I've usually gotten lucky and have had friends give me a bit...I really don't know how much people expect to pay for it normally though.
I've always known I was interested in drugs though. Ever since I first learned about them in the D.A.R.E program at school, lol. Ironic, isn't it? I would never suggest anyone do drugs before the age of 18 though, maybe 21. Especially for some drugs like lsd or dmt...I'm glad I wasn't introduced to them before my early 20s. They will seriously warp your mind and you really need to be prepared for it.
Also the best way of finding things is just to ask around, at least that's what I discovered. Even people that you would NEVER expect to do drugs have sometimes supplied me with things. Sort of funny.
Haha, I'll keep that in mind. I'm thinking about asking a friend of mine who I know smokes a lot of pot...I feel like he might be into them and if he isn't he must know somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
And yeah, I didn't smoke pot for the first time until I was 17 and I'm glad for it because I think I would have made it a bad habit if I'd tried it earlier. I told myself I'd wait until I was older before I tried anything else, and so far I'm sticking to that decision...that's why I want to build up a relationship with someone who can help me with this, and not just jump into it on a whim. I can be patient, because I know that if I'm patient I'll be doing things in a way where I feel comfortable, and that will make the experience much more worthwhile.
You should never pay more than $10 a hit, and as far as where to get it, you kinda just have to know somebody. However if you have absolutely no connections, you can always go to any major jamband show parking lot or festival where you will be bombarded by an abundance of LSD as well as a cornucopia of other drugs you probably never even heard of. However buying it from people you don't know is always risky of course, (not that I haven't done it) but there's always the possibility of bunk doses, i.e. fake LSD.
Thanks man. And yeah I imagine that would be the most likely result, I suppose I could have a daring friend try some and watch them first to know if it's real or not, etc. I don't mind if it's only like $10. For some reason I was thinking it'd be a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFantasy
Thanks :)
I've found faults in Noogah's arguments, and faults in those who are against him. Usually something illogical or hypocritical. Perhaps neither parties are completely correct.
To each, their own. A simple debate with relatively-unknown persons won't decide your actions. Noogah won't take LSD, he is thinks only of the negative side effects. Everyone else won't stop because they know only the positive experiences.
please do not spam emoticons, thanks -nina
lols did someone actually complain about that, nina? Learn to prioritize your moderation efforts.
hey ska, what was the name of the documentary?
cause youtube took down all the videos:(