Trippy 2012 Thought

Maybe December 2012, (the proposed end of the world), is really just when everyone on Earth begins to have lucid dreams. Maybe when the stars align or whatever is supposed to happen, all of our thoughts will be connected telepathically when we dream and there will be peace on Earth when we are all in union with the unlimited possibilities of dreams.

I came up with this thought because myself, a few friends, and my mom have all had our first lucid dreams in the last week without even trying. As more and more people have them and learn to reap the rewards from them, who knows what may come? :banana: Maybe in 2013 everyone in the world will see me as a dancing banana :P

Wow, and I thought the standard 2012 nut-case theories were bad!
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Originally Posted by dellclown

Maybe December 2012, (the proposed end of the world), is really just when everyone on Earth begins to have lucid dreams. Maybe when the stars align or whatever is supposed to happen, all of our thoughts will be connected telepathically when we dream and there will be peace on Earth when we are all in union with the unlimited possibilities of dreams.

I came up with this thought because myself, a few friends, and my mom have all had our first lucid dreams in the last week without even trying. As more and more people have them and learn to reap the rewards from them, who knows what may come? :banana: Maybe in 2013 everyone in the world will see me as a dancing banana :P

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I see what you did thar.

O wait. No I don't. That is Inunderstandible.

...hunh? You lost me, mate. I'm gonna say...unlikely.

I think his idea is that the Mayan's predicted in 2012 mankind will become brotherly and not violent toward each other, instead of the world ending.
And that could mean every one will lucid dream.
But then how we can already lucid dream?
What if we will lose that ability then? :eek:
I personally don't believe in the Mayan's prediction.
Also, is this thread in the right section of the forum?

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Originally Posted by Mario92

...hunh? You lost me, mate. I'm gonna say...unlikely.

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Is it REALLY that hard to understand what he's saying?

Yeah, I agree. Not specifically with the lucid dreams, but that it ISN'T the end of the world. It *might* be end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. This means that something drastically new will happen.

Another user posted in a different thread that whatever caused dreams was sensitive to solar radiation. What if the sun puts out more, and causes us to have more lucid dreams? (I don't think I want my parents finding out what I might do in a LD, though :P)

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Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot

Is it REALLY that hard to understand what he's saying?

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Nope, I got it, but it just seems so incredibly ridiculous that I'm not sure if he's being serious or not. Truth be told, this is on the top ten list of the silliest things I've ever heard. I see absolutely no reason why any sort of planetary or cosmic event should impact one's ability to lucid dream, or why. If anything of this nature actually happens, I will eat my keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Portalboat

Another user posted in a different thread that whatever caused dreams was sensitive to solar radiation. What if the sun puts out more, and causes us to have more lucid dreams? (I don't think I want my parents finding out what I might do in a LD, though :P)

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If this is true, it may be likely.

I don't believe in any 2012 theories but if I had to make/take one, it would be.

We show signs of a magnetic reversal soon. Maybe our brains have some sort of magnetic force and with the pole switch everything will mess up. @_@

It will certainly destroy a ton of our electronics though.

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Originally Posted by Mario92

I will eat my keyboard.

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

If this is true, it may be likely.

I don't believe in any 2012 theories but if I had to make/take one, it would be.

We show signs of a magnetic reversal soon. Maybe our brains have some sort of magnetic force and with the pole switch everything will mess up. @_@

It will certainly destroy a ton of our electronics though.

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I'm pretty sure that a magnetic flip wouldn't annihilate all electronic devices on Earth. It isn't a violent "flip" that actually occurs; rather, it is a gradual changing. The magnetic field is temporarily nullified as multiple poles around the globe split off and cancel each other out. After a short while, the poles begin to accumulate at opposite sides of the world, where they strengthen into the two new poles. In short, no, electronic devices would not be fried, and I seriously doubt that it would have any impact at all on one's dreaming. You can place individuals in magnetic fields, and nothing in the least happens to them or their thought processes. The ions in the brain are paramagnetic, so they are not impacted by regular magnetic fields.

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But unless the Earth's field had a similar rate of change to that
experienced in an extreme magnetic storm I think most things would take
it in their stride. Big continental power grids with long wires would be
the most likely to drop out.

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Only thing to really change would be compasses. Instead of putting red Fred in the shed, you'd have to use the other end.

Actually the Mayan calendar is just ending an era based on the revolutions of the Earth around the sun. In December in 2012 the sun is going to be directly aligned with the middle of the Milky Way galaxy from Earths point of view.

Some scientists also believe that the sun will have large solar flairs which will heat up the Earth causing the ice caps to melt.

But I think that is unlikely and neither of those things will have anything to do with people having lucid dreams:P

I survived:

y2k
9/11
mad cow disease
bird flu
swine flu

2012 here I come!

Indeed.

So did I :P

of course, I did get swine flu but, it was a nice break from school that I needed. Stomach flu is way worse. The only problem was you had sleep paralysis every time you woke up. (I didn't know about LDing back then. Maybe I should try to go get it again!)

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Someone posted a great comic on the Mayans... one dude holding up the calendar and saying to his buddy, "I got up to 2012, then I ran out of room."

My theory: They worked up to 2012 and though, "Alright, seriously, anyone else can figure out the rest..."

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Originally Posted by eternalstar01

My theory: They worked up to 2012 and though, "Alright, seriously, anyone else can figure out the rest..."

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Apparently not. y2k was an epic failure. LOL

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Originally Posted by Emecom

Actually the Mayan calendar is just ending an era based on the revolutions of the Earth around the sun. In December in 2012 the sun is going to be directly aligned with the middle of the Milky Way galaxy from Earths point of view.

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The sun and the center of the galaxy are always aligned, because two points are always aligned with each other. That's why it only makes sense talking about 'alignement' if we're dealing with 3 or more objects.

Anyway, gravity and electromagnetism, which are the only 2 long distance forces that act upon celestial bodies, do not specially care for alignments.

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Some scientists also believe that the sun will have large solar flairs which will heat up the Earth causing the ice caps to melt.

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There's increased sun activity predicted for 2012, but the dangers from there are those of electromagnetic interference.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

There's increased sun activity predicted for 2012, but the dangers from there are those of electromagnetic interference.

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Would this have any relation to the magnetic pole reversal I mentioned earlier messing with electronics?

The best solution I can come up with is we all drink copious amounts of alcohol on December 11, 2012 so we either don't care if the world ends / party if it turns out to be a hoax.

Too bad i'll be underage. haha.

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

Would this have any relation to the magnetic pole reversal I mentioned earlier messing with electronics?

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Not at all. The earth's magnetic field is generated by the movement of fluid material inside, not by the sun.

That's is a cool prediction. Though it is unlikely to happen, I wish it did.

If this happened there'd be a surge in epic fantasy movies about three years later. This, I would be very happy for! :D

my theroy is that on that date something will happen, but it will not be the end of the world then. Maybe we will discover something that will cause a series of events that will actually lead to the end of the world as we know it.

I can we keep this topic relevant to Lucid Dreaming. Otherwise it shall be moved.

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Originally Posted by mrdeano

I can we keep this topic relevant to Lucid Dreaming. Otherwise it shall be moved.

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huh? This thread is about 2012..

[QUOTE=Scatterbrain;1282705]The sun and the center of the galaxy are always aligned, because two points are always aligned with each other. That's why it only makes sense talking about 'alignement' if we're dealing with 3 or more objects.


Yeah did you not see that I said they align from Earths point of view so its like a galaxy eclipse and it is a phenomenon that only happens every 23 thousand or so years, which is why the Mayans ended the era then.

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

huh? This thread is about 2012..

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Precisely. This has gone from lucid dreaming to 2012 prophecies and other such speculations. I predict a move to BD soon if this keeps up...

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The sun and the center of the galaxy are always aligned, because two points are always aligned with each other. That's why it only makes sense talking about 'alignement' if we're dealing with 3 or more objects.


Yeah did you not see that I said they align from Earths point of view so its like a galaxy eclipse and it is a phenomenon that only happens every 23 thousand or so years, which is why the Mayans ended the era then.

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Our solar system has been clearly mapped and plotted in the public eye for many years and there is nothing to indicate any special alignments or events in the near future.

The supposed 2012 alignments are based off nothing but rumor.

Not to say I know there is nothing significant about that date, but if there is, it obviously has nothing to do with planetary/galactic alignments and such.

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

huh? This thread is about 2012..

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This thread has been posted in the Lucid Dreaming forum and the OP discusses how 2012 relates to Lucid Dreaming. If you continue to go off the mark, this will be moved to beyond dreaming.

I personally don't think it belongs here anyway. It should be in ED imo.

But anyway, yea, I have seen people talking about this being a possibility before. People say it will be a change in the state of mind of people, and I suppose lucid dreaming could be involved in that theory.

I'm not going to go on about my beliefs though, it would bring up a whole other argument.

slash, you're probably thinking of the Forty-Six and Two theory.

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Originally Posted by dellclown

Maybe when the stars align or whatever is supposed to happen, all of our thoughts will be connected telepathically when we dream and there will be peace on Earth when we are all in union with the unlimited possibilities of dreams.

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To all you naysayers: dellclown was simply putting forth an idea.

You know, it is possible to appreciate, discuss and elaborate an idea without necessarily having to believe that it is true or in this case that it will happen.

So chill out with the skepticism already. dellclown's original post does in fact have to do with lucid dreaming and it is everyone else who is turning it into a hyper-offensive against all of the 2012 hoopla.

That said, it would be fantastic if such an alignment of the heavens somehow linked everyone's dreams telepathically. Those who already know how to remain lucid in dreams and control them, of course, would probably enjoy it the most initially.

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Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot

To all you naysayers: dellclown was simply putting forth an idea.

You know, it is possible to appreciate, discuss and elaborate an idea without necessarily having to believe that it is true or in this case that it will happen.

So chill out with the skepticism already. dellclown's original post does in fact have to do with lucid dreaming and it is everyone else who is turning it into a hyper-offensive against all of the 2012 hoopla.

That said, it would be fantastic if such an alignment of the heavens somehow linked everyone's dreams telepathically. Those who already know how to remain lucid in dreams and control them, of course, would probably enjoy it the most initially.

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He put forth an idea, which I believe was quickly dismissed as "extremely unlikely," after which the thread was hijacked and the usual 2012 speculations came into play.

I vote for a move to either ED or BD

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Originally Posted by Mario92

He put forth an idea, which I believe was quickly dismissed as "extremely unlikely," after which the thread was hijacked and the usual 2012 speculations came into play.

I vote for a move to either ED or BD

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"Extremely unlikely" is pretty much how I would describe it. The OP didn't really give any theories as to why it may happen; I could just as easily say that 2012 will cause all animals to turn a different bright color based on their original habitat. Wouldn't it be cool to go to the zoo and see blue tigers and green bears?

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Originally Posted by Mario92

He put forth an idea, which I believe was quickly dismissed as "extremely unlikely," after which the thread was hijacked and the usual 2012 speculations came into play.

I vote for a move to either ED or BD

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And what exactly was being added to the discussion of his original idea by simply dismissing it as "extremely unlikely"?

Yeah, no shit it is extremely unlikely. But it is an interesting idea that was quickly made dull by a flood of "THAT WON'T HAPPEN...DURRRRRR" type posts.

There are people in the world who believe that lucid dreaming is extremely unlikely and yet here we are, in a forum devoted to the discussion of lucid dreaming and the myriad of topics that revolve in the same orbit.

One thing I do agree with you about, though, is that this thread belongs in ED.

I've had preminitions of something like this occuring for years, I always thought it was far fetched but seeing that other people think its far fetched makes me think its possible again.

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Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot

And what exactly was being added to the discussion of his original idea by simply dismissing it as "extremely unlikely"?

Yeah, no shit it is extremely unlikely. But it is an interesting idea that was quickly made dull by a flood of "THAT WON'T HAPPEN...DURRRRRR" type posts.

There are people in the world who believe that lucid dreaming is extremely unlikely and yet here we are, in a forum devoted to the discussion of lucid dreaming and the myriad of topics that revolve in the same orbit.

One thing I do agree with you about, though, is that this thread belongs in ED.

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It should be noted that Lucid Dreaming is supported by loads upon loads of scientific evidence and eye-witness accounts, whereas 2012 speculations are just that: speculations. Science has some weak, shaky evidence that if all the variables align just so, the world could come to an end, etc, but it also seems that the doomsday-preachers can't get their facts straight, either. We have no solid evidence of what to expect on 2012, or that anything will even happen...preaching the end of the world or other highly implausible scenarios is what really gets us nowhere.

Move to ED, please. I just went and made it a debate, I think....

Or maybe in 2012, we will go about our lives and stop caring. Haven't you heard about what they said for 2024?

no, what's 2024?

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Originally Posted by zeldafreak

my theroy is that on that date something will happen, but it will not be the end of the world then. Maybe we will discover something that will cause a series of events that will actually lead to the end of the world as we know it.

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>referring to this pipe-dream as a "theory." You make science weep. ;__;

Do you understand that I could replace "everyone lucid dreams" with "it will constantly rain gumdrops" in your original argument, and it will still have the scientific merit as before? And by that, I mean none? You provide no reason (or evidence) for us to put any faith into your on-the-spot "what-if" scenario.

Also, if this thread's getting derailed into general 2012 theories (instead of what could've been (can still become) a valid discussion, that is, "What changes in society would take place if everyone lucid dreams?"), then I'll be forced to either move it, lock it, or merge it with an existing 2012 thread. OP's choice.

Well reecejones87's theory is sort of like this. it goes way more into detail, but basically it would be a paradigm shift, causing everyone to be on a heightened vibrational pattern. And if you know about meditation, you probably know that higher vibrations are good for people like us, doing deep stuff with the brain. He even went as far as to point out certain precursors which supported his idea, like influxes of lots of people eating healthier (to be in top physical shape for the shift) and heightened amounts of Deja Vu.

Now still, this is just another theory, but it's quite interesting. I'll try and link the videos once he makes the new ones. He's remaking them without specifically pointing out 2012 so that he doesn't get all those basket-cases strolling in because they searched that date, like what happened before.

if everyone became lucid dreamers, then this place wouldn't be special anymore... :/
i seriously doubt something that awesome would happen, maybe world peace? even that sounds pretty unlikely.

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

no, what's 2024?

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we will look back at 2012 and laugh at it, just as we will be laughing about y2k in 2012

The only thing is, y2k was devised by nutjobs with no understanding of how computers worked. 2012 was proclaimed by hundreds of civilizations, all over the world.

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Originally Posted by Mario92

Move to ED, please. I just went and made it a debate, I think....

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No. If you want your version of this thread to be debated, then go make a thread yourself. This thread is nearly beyond the point of salvage, and I don't think I can find a way to sort posts into "Bullshit" and ""legit"" that makes everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by Xedan

Well reecejones87's theory is sort of like this. blah blah blah, the theory I personally believe.

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The problem here, is this is not OP's theory. OP did not give any reasoning behind his claim. Just because you can form a reasoning now, doesn't justify OP.

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Originally Posted by Emecom

Actually the Mayan calendar is just ending an era based on the revolutions of the Earth around the sun. In December in 2012 the sun is going to be directly aligned with the middle of the Milky Way galaxy from Earths point of view.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The sun and the center of the galaxy are always aligned, because two points are always aligned with each other. That's why it only makes sense talking about 'alignement' if we're dealing with 3 or more objects.


Yeah did you not see that I said they align from Earths point of view so its like a galaxy eclipse and it is a phenomenon that only happens every 23 thousand or so years, which is why the Mayans ended the era then.

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Wait. What the fuck? Really? Really?! Here's what I want you to do: go get a basketball, a tennis ball, and a ping-pong ball, representing the center of the galaxy, the sun, and the earth respectively. Now first, notice that the sun and the galaxy make a perfect line (as a line is defined by two points, as Scatterbrain was saying). Now, make the earth revolve around the sun. Keep in mind, each time it revolves is one year. How many times does it form a perfect line with the center? TWICE. This alignment, which you said occurs every 23 thousand years, happens every six months.

disregard that i suck cocks

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Some scientists also believe that the sun will have large solar flairs which will heat up the Earth causing the ice caps to melt.

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The melting of the ice caps will not flood the earth. Another fun experiment, is to get a glass of mostly water, and fill it to the top with ice. Let the ice melt. Does the cup overflow?

well in what you were talking about with lines you assumed this all takes place on a flat plane. The earth, like most orbital objects, can move up and down in it's orbit. This is the same reason that solar and lunar eclipses aren't monthly.

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Originally Posted by Xedan

well in what you were talking about with lines you assumed this all takes place on a flat plane. The earth, like most orbital objects, can move up and down in it's orbit. This is the same reason that solar and lunar eclipses aren't monthly.

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Ah, that's right. I made the approximation that the galaxy is a perfect disc. When really, it's more likely that our orbit is slightly tilted in relation to the galaxy's center than not. My bad.

But, what exactly does alignment do, again? How do you propose it produces higher vibration?

I have absolutely no idea. Most of the stuff in the videos I talked about was way over my head. And the videos were privatized, so I can't even go back and look. I just thought it was an interesting theory. It may also have to do with a revelation Reece Jones which he called the Awakening.

The Awakening is hard to explain, but here's the first of the videos (I think there are like ten parts now):

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Originally Posted by Abra

The melting of the ice caps will not flood the earth. Another fun experiment, is to get a glass of mostly water, and fill it to the top with ice. Let the ice melt. Does the cup overflow?

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Actually, this would be true provided the ice was floating free in the ocean, when it is not. The southern ice cap is resting atop a load of other ice and dirt and crap, being elevated out of the water. Should it melt, it would be adding a load of water right into the system...also, think of the penguins! Have you any soul at all?

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Originally Posted by Mario92

Actually, this would be true provided the ice was floating free in the ocean, when it is not. The southern ice cap is resting atop a load of other ice and dirt and crap, being elevated out of the water. Should it melt, it would be adding a load of water right into the system...also, think of the penguins! Have you any soul at all?

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I know i stared at your signature long enough to get hypnotized lol

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Originally Posted by Fabio-the-dreamer

I see what you did thar.

O wait. No I don't. That is Inunderstandible.

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Well, for some background, I've read a book called Lucid Dreaming: Gateway To The Inner Self by Robert Waggoner. I reccomend everyone wanting to get deeper with their lucid dreams read it. It talks about the 5 levels of lucid dreaming, the first simply being control, and the fifth being in complete oneness with yourself. Secondly, I don't believe the world will end in 2012. Neither am I convinced anything will happen, but I think that if anything does happen, it will be a change in conciousness for humans on earth, not death. And if everyone on earth started having lucid dreams at will, connected or not, we as humans will have a brand new frontier to explore where we can't destroy like we can on earth. This idea is a lot like the singularity idea, without the machines.

I named this post "trippy 2012 thought" for a reason lol. Just an idea to consider, not really take seriously

singularity explained by mckenna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8v8mgwuubU

I don't really believe in the 2012 at all. Saw a documentary about it some time ago. They said that the reason the mayas stopped the calender might as well be because they felt no need to continue making the calender until so far in the future.

But then again, we can never know before 2012 : D

Is the world supposed to end at the beginning of 2012 or the end? Or a random spot in the middle?

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

Too bad i'll be underage. haha.

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So? :roll:

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Originally Posted by Hidden

Is the world supposed to end at the beginning of 2012 or the end? Or a random spot in the middle?

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December 21st

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

December 21st

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Now that's just mean. 4 days before Christmas?

That... would actually be the best end of the world I can imagine. Everyone's dreams become real.

Oh wait.

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Originally Posted by Hidden

Now that's just mean. 4 days before Christmas?

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Yeah. So people can't worship and celebrate christmas after knowing it's real then, as far as I know about bible rules, if they do a bit, will be allowed into heaven. (I don't think it is real, but if it was, that'd probably be the case)

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Originally Posted by jarrhead

Yeah. So people can't worship and celebrate christmas after knowing it's real then, as far as I know about bible rules, if they do a bit, will be allowed into heaven. (I don't think it is real, but if it was, that'd probably be the case)

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Eh?

Maybe in 2012, we will all become lucid in our real lives :shock:. Or wake up and realize this was all just a dream.

Everyone will LD? Random much? :/ If say that enormous amounts of triple chocolate cake will fall from the sky on 2012, do I get some credibility? :o

In my opinion the 2012 thing is stupid... I mean, hasn't anyone thought realistically? Maybe the guy who was drawing it got tired and went to bed? Maybe nothing else fit on it? Maybe he didn't think anyone would last that long (do we ever count infinitely when predicting horoscopes? No.)? Maybe his mom called him to dinner? I really see no reason that 2012 should be anything special.

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Maybe in 2012, we will all become lucid in our real lives :shock:. Or wake up and realize this was all just a dream.

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Kind of what Reece Jones was saying

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Originally Posted by dellclown

Maybe December 2012, (the proposed end of the world), is really just when everyone on Earth begins to have lucid dreams. Maybe when the stars align or whatever is supposed to happen, all of our thoughts will be connected telepathically when we dream and there will be peace on Earth when we are all in union with the unlimited possibilities of dreams.

I came up with this thought because myself, a few friends, and my mom have all had our first lucid dreams in the last week without even trying. As more and more people have them and learn to reap the rewards from them, who knows what may come? :banana: Maybe in 2013 everyone in the world will see me as a dancing banana :P

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My brain just died a little inside.

I really hope something happens in 2012, although my intuition tells me it's superstitious bullshit.

Maybe Yellowstone in Wyoming will erupt and cover 1/2 of America in burning hot pyroclastic debris. That would be kinda cool...

I don't know about anyone else, but bad news is my favourite news.

interesting idea, op.

i've come up with all sorts of 2012 ideas, some are so "out there" that i'm not even going to post about them.

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Maybe in 2012, we will all become lucid in our real lives :shock:. Or wake up and realize this was all just a dream.

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:panic: that would be insane!

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Maybe in 2012, we will all become lucid in our real lives :shock:. Or wake up and realize this was all just a dream.

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Isn't this kind of what many lecturers on mayans, who studied that calendar
and believe in a change in 2012, say? Something along the line of realizing
ones true nature - which in the mayan context would indeed mean something
like 'waking from the dream that is reality'? And 'waking from materialism'
aka the material world?

The entire 'the world will end' thing in my opinion is nothing more than pop
culture and a pretty clever viral marketing strategy. Basically just advertisement.

I find 2012 pretty interesting though. Even though the evidence that there
is something going to happen is rather slim - and I personally don't believe
it, it is still fun to ponder the, sometimes rather complexe, theories on it.
Especially considering that things on many aspects seem to be speeding up.
So where will all this eventually end? That's the interesting question, imo.

Luckily we'll see soon enough. :)

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Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

I really hope something happens in 2012, although my intuition tells me it's superstitious bullshit.

Maybe Yellowstone in Wyoming will erupt and cover 1/2 of America in burning hot pyroclastic debris. That would be kinda cool...

I don't know about anyone else, but bad news is my favourite news.

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Oh yeah, I would love to get covered in lava...

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Maybe in 2012, we will all become lucid in our real lives :shock:. Or wake up and realize this was all just a dream.

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It's probably true. It's basically an endless chain haha. Even if we wake up and we are lucid in our "real" life. That just brings on a BIGGER question. Is the life we are now lucid in even real? Or is it just like the last one? :panic:

Hah, why even think about it? We will probably never know. Not in this lifetime anyway.

Maybe after December 21st 2012 people will wake up and stop believing in supersticious bullshit, and concentrate on the world without a dressing of fantasy, and appreciate the beauty of the universe for what it is. Maybe they'll understand their fellow human being and see more reason to walk outside and find some genuine human connection than sit on the internet and think of bullshit conspiracy theories in a desperate ploy to make what they see as a boring world interesting.

But probably not.

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Maybe after December 21st 2012 people will wake up and stop believing in supersticious bullshit, and concentrate on the world without a dressing of fantasy, and appreciate the beauty of the universe for what it is. Maybe they'll understand their fellow human being and see more reason to walk outside and find some genuine human connection than sit on the internet and think of bullshit conspiracy theories in a desperate ploy to make what they see as a boring world interesting.

But probably not.

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Hahahah you know it won't be long after when another inevitable doomsday date surfaces and draws people in. Its the human condition.

Seriously though, either something happens or it doesn't. Nobody has any definitive way of knowing what's gonna happen, so why all the debate? Focus on 2010 for now, 2012 will get here when it gets here.

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Maybe they'll understand their fellow human being and see more reason to walk outside and find some genuine human connection than sit on the internet and think of bullshit conspiracy theories in a desperate ploy to make what they see as a boring world interesting.

But probably not.

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Ironic, you sit here on the internet and complain about people coming up with conspiracies while you sit on the internet and talk about the B.S. conspiracies.

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Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

Ironic, you sit here on the internet and complain about people coming up with conspiracies while you sit on the internet and talk about the B.S. conspiracies.

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This made me smile. :)

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Maybe after December 21st 2012 people will wake up and stop believing in supersticious bullshit, and concentrate on the world without a dressing of fantasy, and appreciate the beauty of the universe for what it is. Maybe they'll understand their fellow human being and see more reason to walk outside and find some genuine human connection than sit on the internet and think of bullshit conspiracy theories in a desperate ploy to make what they see as a boring world interesting.

But probably not.

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you're no fun.

If anything is going to happen, I think it would be solar flares (which are actually predicted to POSSIBLY happen around 2012 some times). This would destroy all our electrical equipment if it's big enough to do so. This would cause everyone to become more in touch with nature etc.
Otherwise, everyone will be scared as hell on December 21st and accept that they're going to die (ego-death). When nothing happens we will all be enlightened and the world will be a much better place.
But anyway, it's unlikely that anything will happen.

Besides, December 21st, 2012 WHERE? Where on the Earth is this date based off? December 21st in Australia will still be December 20th in America.

Another 2012 thread?

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Besides, December 21st, 2012 WHERE? Where on the Earth is this date based off? December 21st in Australia will still be December 20th in America.

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Haha! Great point!! :D

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Besides, December 21st, 2012 WHERE? Where on the Earth is this date based off? December 21st in Australia will still be December 20th in America.

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Ya but the world revolves around America so Australia can suck it because our calender is the universal calender designated by the pope, jesus and darth vador.

Funny thing is, most Americans would believe that.

Sad but true.

To quote someone on a blog:

"The world will end on 2010, because of all the people who will go crazy thinking the world really will end."

Yup, pretty much. Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.

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To quote someone on a blog:

"The world will end on 2010, because of all the people who will go crazy thinking the world really will end."

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HAHA yeah I've thought of that too lol.
Would be pretty funny really.

Actually there is scientific evidence to support something big will happen on 12/21/2012.

Well first, scientists agree that there will be the largest solar flare in history take place in 2012.

Another thing is the ancient Mayans ended their calender on 12/21/12 striking it as the "end of time". Not the end of the world. Linear time. It also strikes the last step in human evolution. Universal co-creation.

In 2012, we'll be able to see the transit of Venus across the sun. Which won't happen for another 100 years I believe. Then 200 days after that is the winter solstice, a total solar eclipse will take place and the earth sun and planets will be perfectly aligned, with the milky way galaxy and superblack hole. .

I think the supermassive black hole's (at the center of the galaxy ) gravitational pull will effect us and we'll be pulled in.

If you were to somehow witness this without being sucked in, you'll see everything being stretched and pulled into the black hole within a period seconds or so. While if you experience it, you'll be getting sucked into the black hole for eternity, where time and space begin to slow down ( or speed up? ) until it dissapears all together. .

Terrence Mckenna also agrees with this.

I think where human destiny is headed is beyond time and space. An eternity.

IF we survive. I believe we will though. If time and space dissapear...well, that's the same thing as a lucid dream. Free to do whatever you want with the power of thought and belief alone.

So yea, if things are obliterated when entering a black hole, yea earth will be obliterated. But we won't experience it. we'll experience no-time and no-space for eternity.

We are very lucky to be alive during this time to witness this. Some researchers strongly believe that the Mayans created the monument on eastern island because their "god's and king's" will return to view these events.

http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/BHfaq.html#q3

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At first, you don't feel any gravitational forces at all. Since you're in free fall, every part of your body and your spaceship is being pulled in the same way, and so you feel weightless. (This is exactly the same thing that happens to astronauts in Earth orbit: even though both astronauts and space shuttle are being pulled by the Earth's gravity, they don't feel any gravitational force because everything is being pulled in exactly the same way.) As you get closer and closer to the center of the hole, though, you start to feel "tidal" gravitational forces. Imagine that your feet are closer to the center than your head. The gravitational pull gets stronger as you get closer to the center of the hole, so your feet feel a stronger pull than your head does. As a result you feel "stretched." (This force is called a tidal force because it is exactly like the forces that cause tides on earth.) These tidal forces get more and more intense as you get closer to the center, and eventually they will rip you apart.

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Could you kindly explain how we would survive, good sir? Us, insignificant jellybags to the universe? How are we so special as to survive falling into a black hole? This is, of course, assuming everything you posted is true, and without some good sources, I find this hard to believe.

Well since no light can escape a black hole, it makes sense that anything that enters a black hole will reach or exceed the speed of light from the gravitational pull of the black hole.

They say it's impossible to reach the speed of light. But once you do time and space slow down to the point of no-time and no-space.

They say you would die as you reach the speed of light which is true in a sense. If you reach the speed of light, you turn into light, or pure energy. So yes, you did die, but you wouldn't know it and you exist outside of time and space.

Uh...wow, I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

If you've been converted into pure energy, you don't have a brain for processing information. You're dead, mate. You're no more alive than some poor fool that got shot in the head and didn't see it coming.

Also, I don't believe you actually end up traveling at the speed of light as you fall into a black hole...the big concern is the pure strength of gravity tearing you to shreds.

Well if you believe that without a brain you can't have any sensory input, than thats that. You die.

It's one thing to just be shot in the head and instantly die, but a whole other thing when you are approaching the speed of light and you die without knowing it, thinking you are still alive.

Science won't ever know what's beyond beyond death because it doesn't have the answers to things beyond time and space ( the physical )

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Well if you believe that without a brain you can't have any sensory input, than thats that. You die. Even though the opposite has been studied.

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You don't have a brain, you don't have eyes to see with, you haven't anything to relay sensory experiences to anything that can make sense of them; you die.

Also: note studied, not confirmed.

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It's one thing to just be shot in the head and instantly die, but a whole other thing when you are approaching the speed of light and you die without knowing it, thinking you are still alive.

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Yeah...no. You get shot, you die immediately. Same thing. Bro getting shot never saw it coming; I'm sure he still thought he was alive that split second before kicking the bucket.

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Science won't ever know what's beyond beyond death because it doesn't have the answers to things beyond time and space ( the physical )

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...and why should we have any reason to believe there is anything beyond the physical? Seems like quite the big assumption to make. "I saw a slimy track in the mud. It must have been the noodle of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! I shall believe this without any further evidence!"

Certainly seems ridiculous, but not that different from what you're proposing.

If you were converted to pure energy in such an environment, wouldn't it seem like an instant to an outside observer.

But to the person actually experiencing it, time would slow down exponentially ?

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You don't have a brain, you don't have eyes to see with, you haven't anything to relay sensory experiences to anything that can make sense of them; you die.

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You also don't use your eyes when you dream.

but man, I'm not going to go into this type of discussion with you and I won't push my beliefs onto you. So if you believe when you die, you just die, and that's it, then we'll just leave it at that.

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If you were converted to pure energy in such an environment, wouldn't it seem like an instant to an outside observer.

But to the person actually experiencing it, time would slow down exponentially ?

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yes. Look at the video I posted. The clock ( time ) is slowing down.

That's what he's saying? That makes more sense. However, my argument still stands:

Within a black hole, the laws of nature break down, so there is no guarantee that, even if you did somehow reach the speed of light, you would exist in no-space and no-time.

There is no guarantee that you reach the speed of light while falling into the singularity. Just because light does not escape does not mean that something must be traveling the speed of light to enter a black hole.

Really? The earth is going to fall into a black hole for no solid reason?

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you're no fun.

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Ironic, you sit here on the internet and complain about people coming up with conspiracies while you sit on the internet and talk about the B.S. conspiracies.

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This doesn't in any way devalue my point though.

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Then 200 days after that is the winter solstice, a total solar eclipse will take place and the earth sun and planets will be perfectly aligned, with the milky way galaxy and superblack hole. .

I think the supermassive black hole's (at the center of the galaxy ) gravitational pull will effect us and we'll be pulled in.

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I actually thought you were joking at first...
Looking at a black hole won't make you fall into it (astronomers would be doomed :cheeky:). So, no, the Earth isn't likely to rush halfway across the galaxy to get sucked in just because you're seeing the sun setting in that general direction or whatever. And just think of all the junk it would have to go through to get there. You'd be dead long before you could get ripped apart by the black hole's gravity.

Also, you can't "align" with the galaxy - you're part of it - and planet alignment has happened quite recently and it was going to be "the end of the world" - again - and yet here we are typing away.
If you're really into this stuff, you should check out astronomy sites instead of 2012 ones, imo.

There's so much misinformation/disinformation on the Internet, it's kind of hard to trust anything you read, especially something as big and controversial as 2012.

NASA says that there won't be ANY galactic alignment at all and that it's all a big scare.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Whatever the case, I guess we'll know the truth at 2012.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...ns-and-answers

Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

You know, as a matter of fact, it would even make sense if all this 2012 apocalyptic is a hoax. It's all
coming together. I can't believe I didn't see this before. I was too young to remember Y2k. But I can bet this 2012 is the same thing as that. I bet there is some serious cash being made from all this.

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There's so much misinformation/disinformation on the Internet, it's kind of hard to trust anything you read, especially something as big and controversial as 2012.

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That's what I meant.
There's no reliable information on something like 2012 to be found, only on the phenomenons people associate with it. It starts with the simple fact that it's the number on our calendar correspondent to the end of a mayan time cycle - so, one should check with archeologists for info, see where that came from.
If people start talking about cosmic events, check how those work with astronomers and so on. Simple.

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NASA says that there won't be ANY galactic alignment at all and that it's all a big scare.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Whatever the case, I guess we'll know the truth at 2012.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...ns-and-answers

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Yep, they pretty much covers the whole thing.

The problem with the "alignment" thing is that most people don't know or understand what is aligning and don't bother to learn, otherwise they wouldn't go around thinking it would make a big difference to the planet (well, not unless they believe in stuff like the zodiac, I suppose). And even the actual alignment is kind of relative, a matter of perpective.

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Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

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You'll have to hurry, the clock is ticking! ;)

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You know, as a matter of fact, it would even make sense if all this 2012 apocalyptic is a hoax. It's all
coming together. I can't believe I didn't see this before. I was too young to remember Y2k. But I can bet this 2012 is the same thing as that. I bet there is some serious cash being made from all this.

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And that's why you don't remember all the hoo-ha back in May 2000 because of the planet alignment. Then the day finally came and absolutely nothing happened. Not even some weird little tide or something. Boring! :D

You know about Atlantis, right? There are hoards of people claiming all kind of knowledge about it but the fact is that the only mention EVER to it is a brief descritpion in an unfinished story by Plato.
Same thing here. Mayans had a calendar. It's major cycle ends in our 2012. OMG!


Anyway, more info:
http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=..._the_equinoxes
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1304657107238#

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Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

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I've been thinking the same thing.

Wouldn't be too hard, just make everything up. Just LD about it and write it down lol Tell everyone you've seen the end.
I might do it. You're free to take the idea though lol

I don't know, this seems kind of fucked up though. Spreading more lies and more fear. Have you seen that south park episode of "Scientology". It's like wow, they really believe anything you tell them. But nah I won't do it, even though it sounds too easy. Make a blog or website writing articles on 2012 and direct traffic to it. Sell survival kits, etc. It definitely can be done, but I won't do it. It just seems wrong.

2012 is a cash-cow, and everyone is milking it dry.

The astronomer on that video I posted said that one person even came to him so in fear of 2012 he said he would commit suicide. That's when think this is being taken too far.

Still I think the alignment will be very cool to look at on 2012.

Archaeologists say that on 2012, the mayans "ancient king's and god's/men of wisdom" ( E.T.'s maybe? ) are returning to view the celestial events on the huge monument on eastern island. Mayan elders are saying the same thing, that is ALL the prophecy actually says and about shifting into a new age. Nothing about end of world, or pole shifting or Nibiru, world domination, etc.

Tommo, the venusproject looks interesting. But I doubt we will be alive to experience that. They'd have to first terraform venus which would take who knows how long.

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Tommo, the venusproject looks interesting. But I doubt we will be alive to experience that. They'd have to first terraform venus which would take who knows how long.

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Dude I'm pretty sure TVP has nothing to do with the planet Venus.

lol

Afaik there is no alignment happening in 2012.
I agree with the spreading more lies thing, but really people are going to find out in 2 years anyway so.... what's the harm you know?

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Tommo, the venusproject looks interesting. But I doubt we will be alive to experience that. They'd have to first terraform venus which would take who knows how long.

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Lol, random. It has nothing to do with Venus, that's just the name.
Plus it's my sig, why'd you bring that up now?
Or did I mention it in this thread somewhere?