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haha well i guess lucid dreaming is sort of my escape..
I haven't told anyone at school
I'm just normal at my school, but everyone else is close minded about everything and would never even think about lucid dreaming
and my social life is just average I guess
I think it's awesome.
I've talked to most of my friends about it and they always seem very fascinated and want to know as much as possible about lucid dreaming. A lot of my friends now come to me and talk to me about dreams they've been having, or ask me sleep advice, etc.
I think being interested in lucid dreams and have them make us way rad and cool. Besides, who wants to be normal? I'd take weird any day.
Everyone likes me at school, but there are always going to be the nastier people in my grade...
I've told a few select people about my lucid dreaming, obviously the ones that won't judge me based on my interests.
My social life is pretty good, I enjoy talking to people; I can't be around a bunch of people for too long though. I get a bit exhausted from that; I suppose that's part of being an introvert. :P
I would say hell yeah we're weird, it blows my mind that "normal" people tend to have no interest or appreciation whatsoever in their dreams!
My friends are fascinated with it. They don't believe me when I tell them I remember 2-4 dreams a night, they're always wanting how they can increase dream recall and start lucid dreaming.
We all are very regular people. Society makes us think that doing something unusual = little to no social life. But everyone here is normal. Would I talk to friends about it? No, although I admire those of you who do. Hell, even my parents dunno im keepin a DJ :D. And they wont until I attain a certain level of proness.
i was rather popular when i was in high school. people thought i was really cool and interesting because i was always talking about psychedelics, lucid dreaming, meditation and other mind opening topics. lets just say i blew a lot of minds and turned many people on to lucid dreaming.
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How could you have a career in those fields? Sounds cool man.
I guess I was pretty popular in school, in my huge class of 12 people :P But yeah, I go out a lot with my friends still, and talk to people whenever I can. I don't consider myself weird, and whenever the Conversation steers towards the direction of Lucid dreaming, then yeah, I tell them about it. If they think I'm weird for LD'ing then they can go to you know where.
once the average person learns about lucid dreaming, they ALWAYS want to know more
we have discovered an entire part of the universe that most people overlook for what it truly can be..this isnt controlled by any social or even physical barriers
yeah i told my friends, i even had paper about lucid dreaming @ school omg :D that was one of most awesome things iv ever done, everyone was asking me question about lucid dreaming for a month some people even tryed it :d
First of all, ask yourself if it really matters if you're socially weird or not. Then ask yourself if something the human body could before you were even born should even be considered weird in the first place.
i dont really understand your question. i dont have a career in those fields, its just what i do and who i amQuote:
Originally Posted by Codename
This forum is one of the only places I can talk about lucid dreaming and people are interested and reply back..
I tell my friends sometimes. Like once or twice I'd arrive at school and tell them I had a lucid dream and I would be totally excited but they are always quite uninterested. They're more into feminism and getting good grades and whatever. I can understand I spose why they think its stupid I get so hyped about my dreams (to them it'd just be images and stories they see when they sleep but forget in the morning), but I don't think they've ever experienced a lucid, so.
I reckon I am wierd! - considering my personality and interests and stuff - compared to those people I talk to! Lucid dreaming may be wierd to some (old people perhaps) but its awesome. Just because something is unpopular, does not nesecarily make it wierd. It may seem wierd cause the mainstream rejects it but its incredible to those who really love it you know. Like with all this music I listen to, I think its incredible and I see the good in it but other people think its wierd and don't understand it.
I love who we are. Lucid dreaming is so much fun.
I've always been an introvert, but I have a small and close group of friends who I talk to often. I don't care that I don't go out after school much - I'm comfortable being introvert, I do talk to friends though which I think is an important thing - to have regular contact with friends and to feel important to someone... yeah... me and my friends have little of the same interests in common. Like one friend and I recently decieded we were kindred spirits cause we always laughed at the same things, no matter how small they were we both laughed at them without any warning from the other. And that friend and I have like almost no common interests - we just enjoy eachothers company.
Why do you ask? Can you answer these questions yourself for us to know your own thoughts? I'm guessing the people at your school are rejecting the idea of lucid dreaming ?
First of all....You will find that once you leave the halls of "High School" ..all that popularity crap goes out the door. No longer will people be looking at you and making remarks about your clothing or whether you are popular or not. That all vanishes...and then you can relax and really be yourself, instead of the "yourself" that you create to make other people think something about you...that might not even be true. It's so much better after high school!
As far as being normal....I would say that maybe half of the people I have attempted to discuss this with, simply dismiss it and don't want to talk about it. It's probably equivalent to telling them that you saw a UFO. They think...sure...they believe it's true, but I know it's horseshit...so they dismiss you.
I had never lucid dreamed until the week that I discovered God. I was an atheist my entire life, and I'll turn 50 in December. Recently I was watching a show on TV where the host was talking about God. So while driving home from work....I decided to ask that question...you know...."Do you exist?".
Well I asked it....and in the process asked "IF you exist...give me a sign.....and if you really want to prove you exist.....help me with this malady I've had since childhood. Help me with this medical issue....God...please help me."
Well I've had that "issue" since childhood.....but the next day....it was gone. Totally...absolutely GONE.
Then the dreams started.....where I was aware and interacting with others. I could ask questions and get answers.....
After reading up on the subject....I found that allegedly we should be able to manipulate our dreams, and do whatever we wish...and possibly locate other people in our dreams. I just tried this last night....and it worked. I found my wife in my dream....and decided to hold a blue fish in my hand. I asked her to look at what was in my hand...and remember it for later. When she woke up....the first thing out of her mouth was that she dreamed that I had a fish in my hand.
So ...you tell me....is that weird? OR.....is that the coolest f'ing thing ever....that makes you look beyond your daily lives and wonder.
I've been wondering a LOT lately...and it feels damn good!
I've always been considered a bit weird, but I have enough close friends who I can talk with about this kind of stuff; I guess lucid dreaming is really 'me' though. It probably wasn't a shock to my friends that I had found something unusual like it again.
I'm an average in my current secondary school; not too popular not too nerdy/introvert. I don't really dare to be too sociable because I'm really self-conscious and I hate too much. In fact when I leave for my next school I'm gonna stop hating and start loving <3
However I kinda find it depressing when people gossip about stuff I know nothing about. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I feel so out of place when everyone talks about stuff I don't know. And when I casually butt in "Hey, what are you guys talking about?", they go "Oh sorry, we can't tell you."
@&*%!@#&*$&(%#&!
Besides I don't have any close friends from my current school.
As for lucid dreaming, I share them with my friends but yeah, they don't take note of the fascination and amazement of being able to control your dreams.
"HEY HEY HEY. Do you know what lucid dreaming is? 8) 8) 8)"
"Uh no."
"It's when you're aware and conscious of yourself dreaming! And you can even control your dreams. AIN'T THAT SUPER AWESOMEXZXZX"
"..Uh yeah. Interesting."
hmm, no i wouldnt say that we are weird. My friend told me of a dream he had that was VERY similer to another friends dream, so i got intreasted at the thoght of the possiblity to share a dream. So being the person i am i looked it up and studied it. then i came across the term lucid dreaming and after finding out what it was, my mouth literaly dropped to the floor. So after a few days i got an accont on this site and filled my friend in on some of the things i learned, he wanted me to tell them more, but i keep forgeting :( maybe ill goover it agian at the bus stop tomarow morning... So i only told him and my cuzen. lol, my cuzen said shes gunna be lazy and ill have to find her once i get good at lucid dreaming and come get her to tell her shes dreaming
My friend "Jake" was interested in lucid dreaming for like 2 days, didn't have one, and gave up. Now when ever I mention it he says "really, Austin?" Like it's lame. He just didn't have one yet and so far I know NOBODY who has tried lucid dreaming at my school. But I don't think I'm weird, I'm just not very social. What kind of 14 year old kid is going to be interested in lucid dreaming? Me, I tell ya', ME, and anybody who thinks lucid dreaming is gay are gay.
I believe lucid dreaming is a gift....not a right. Not everyone can do it...and not everyone appreciates the wonder of it. Perhaps the same reason that your friend acts like it's "lame" ... is the reason why he cannot do it. Perhaps he's not a positive person, and that is what's stopping him. Food for thought.
Im sorry, I did;t read some posts here, I am in a hurry but I would jsut like to point out the following. What the HELL is weird normal?
Discuss.
As for me, I am perfectly normal, but that is according to my own standards and rules. I don't give a damn what most people think. Let them hate. I dont care. As long as I have some good friends around me I don't care what everyone in high school thinks. It's meaningless, as someone said.
I'm probably older than you....I'm almost 50. Not trying to sound like an old sage here....but one thing that I've learned in my 49 years...is that the people who claim that they don't care what others think about them.....um....they care more than anyone. They demonstrate this by the fact that they wear clothes that DEMAND that you notice and react to them. This is one of many things that they do..that I call the "uniform". You've seen them...the kids who so desperately want to be different....and all end up looking the same. It's just a funny thing to me to hear people claim that they don't care what others think, as they wear tattoos and clothes that scream out...PLEASE NOTICE ME!!!!!
Sometimes I crack myself up.
this is not always true.. people who don't care what others think most of the time don't care what others think. its very simple. i do it every day.
Nothing about human beings is "always true"....but I try to search for commonalities. I'm 99% sure that anyone reading this message sees people in their daily lives who are so desperate for attention that they would do ANYTHING....including wearing bizarre clothing, getting piercings, or even having fake friends on their cell phones, to convince people that they have people who give a crap about them. This is so normal. It's always been this way, and it always will.
The truth is, (in my not so humble opinion) that if you or anyone else REALLY did not care what others think, you would spend zero effort worrying about your clothing, and just wear jeans and a t shirt every day because it's so simple. I think if you find yourself looking at the labels when you buy your jeans, then you most certainly DO care what others think about you. If you didn't, you'd go to the Salvation Army and buy some jeans for two bucks that say "toughskins" on them...and be perfectly happy. I'm saying this in the most "fun" way.....not being judgmental. I just think it's human nature to care what other people think about you. If you didn't.....you would be VERY unique, and probably very unhappy.
your second paragraph just depicted me. though, i do care what some people think.. such as my parents and friends and other family. i think it's important to take what they think sometimes because 1 it would be rude to tell them i dont care, and 2 it would bother me if my friends or family thought wrong of me. but for other people i don't know... i could give two shits less about what they say or think. period.
That was quite insightful, ... ahh I forgot your username because it's on the previous page. I want o say taht I don't care waht the general mass of people in my schoo think. I care a lot about what my trusted friends think.... I think it'spointless to be so preoccupied with others' oinions about you. Plus, I wear nice clothes for myself, not for others (mostly) heh. I mean I want to look good so I am pleasing to my own eyes. Maybe there are like five people who I want to look good for too but I don't htink I fall into your category that you listed.
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Cool! Oh my gosh is this what he was talkinga bout? How there are meny of us being individual and we all look the same? I think I get it. But I agree about that part. I notice in high school eveyone says they are all individual and all but they all look and act the same, some more trashy than others... I mean everyone shops in the same places and has the same hairstyle and shoes... I deffinitely agree. But I don't look like everyone else. I mean some of my clothes may be similar but for the most part, no. Ehh... This is something you really have to look closely at.
I dont care what other people think. Thats why my clothes are either based on my interests (I have a nintendo shirt and two marvel shirts) or just plain or what I think looks good if I am going to dress up. Dress up=shirt with a collar.
But are we weird for dreaming? Are we weird for being interested in something that everyone experiences? Is the fact that we think about a natural process and even have some degree of control over it make us weird? Was Isaac Newton weird? Everyone experienced gravity but he was one of the first actually interested in it. Or what about Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs? they were interested in computers and they created the basis for most operating systems used on computers today.
Again, what do you define as weird and what do you define as normal? You might as well ask if everyone is weird except for us since we are the only ones who do this. Or you may ask if forein people are weird since they arent like americans...
Haha foreign people are cool. I have a few foreign exchange students in my classes. They both know german as well as english and there own language. The czech girl (who i also eat lunch with everyday) was talking about spiders and snakes here in texas. She says that there are way bigger spiders here and some are poisonus and there arent poisonus snakes or spiders where shes from. She is completely normal but she hasnt experienced the same things as we have.
yes. we are wierd. you never hear people OUTSIDE the internet talking about lucid dreaming. at least i dont. it almost never comes up in regular conversation. so i'd say yeah i guess we are wierd. but honestly... i wouldn't have it any other way.
I am foreign and loving it lol! I have tasted both worlds. I have lived in my homecountry for about five years and lived in america for about ten years.
where are you from?
I think I'd rather be weird then normal, though I don't really talk about lucid dreaming or anything but I always ask weird questions like did ants ever gotten all over you or things like that.
Raetin, I completely agree. I think being "normal" is just boring and stupid. The individuals and the unique people are considered WEIRD by their society. Take Tolstoy, for example. He was a wealthy landowner with people working for him, yet instead of living in a mansion and dressing for the part, he walked barefoot and begged for food. We remember him. Do we remember other Russian aristocracy? NO
and proxide, I am originally from ukraine
really? thats pretty cool. whats it like over there? how is it different from America?
It's great over there. I cannot describ e how it's diffenrent, it would take too long. I like bo5th worlds, but they are pretty different
I don't think we're weird at all, although my sister thinks lucid dreaming is crazy and doesn't even like me talking about it around her. I personally was trying to get over an addiction to pain medicine and started to try out lucid dreaming again and has made my life so much easier. Just practicing and thinking about lucid dreaming has got my past problem out of my mind and on a better path. so in no way do I consider it weird. i consider it awsome.
I know I'm definitely not normal, but I'm not the weirdest either. I think its awesome to have an interest in lucid dreaming and the like, because its opening up our minds to things outside the box and getting creative. Sure we're not "normal" in the sense that we're not conforming with the rest of society with not believing in the possibility of conscious control of dreams, but that's ok with me lol. I actually havn't talked about lucid dreaming with anyone in a long time... I should do that. But seriously, you wouldn't be on this site unless you were somehow different in your interests or views than everybody else's. Then again, these are just words and the connotations you associate with them. Weird to me is (usually) a good thing, but that may just be because my interests are varied and because I've got a different perception of this world (like most on this forum) than "normal" people.
One person with a differing perception is the only way in which humans as a race advance. Are we weird? Or will we be considered the forefathers of an entire field of psychology?
exactly whaat i'm saying- wewird leads to good. you stand out from the crowd and are remembered for discovering something new. Do we remember any lawyer or any streetcleaner? NO. Do we remeber einstein, who was the weirdest of his day? YES. Because he was weird and separated from the flowQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Stop considering yourselves weird. I mean unless lucid dreaming controls 100% of your life, you are just a regular person. Really, just a regular person. Even the best LDer has a life. We are simply the lucky bunch of 1% of the population that happened to stumble on it. Are we pionneers? Certainly. Creepy, reject non-social freaks? Absolutely not.
All you people keep saying that you dont care what others think about you. Good for you. Personnaly, I am the exact opposite. I couldnt care more about what people think of me, and I feel extremely uncomfortable keeping only the 5 same friends. I always feel like I should be friends with everyone, but thats a matter of opinions. Dreaming has nothing to do with your person.
I used to worry about what other people thought of me, but now I don't care so much.I stick with the people i like and ignore the people i don't like. Some people wonder what goes on in my head, but it's just because I can be quite random sometimes.
I don't discuss LDing with anyone, not even my closest friends. I like keeping it as a part of me.
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To that I agree :goodjob:
I'm 15, and a freshman. I just started dating this amazingly hot sophomore. Feelsgoodman. and i'm certainly not going to tell her. I keep myself apart from the popular crowd by being a stoner, even though they attempt to suck me in all the time. I talk to my girl about meditation and other things, but i don't think she'd be interested in LDing. I've told a few of my friends, and they think its cool. I would say, in the depths of their private minds, everyone is weird. You wouldn't have a discussion with your teachers about what you thought about laying in bed last night would you? My mom knows, and i despise when she teases me about it. But some things are just sort of private, not really open to discuss with everyone.
I dont think were weird. Its a hobby. And probably one of the most rewarding hobbies you can have. If you like to draw does that make you weird? If you enjoy it than do it. If not than why are you here? lol
Good discussion. I'm of the opinion that IF you want to be yourself....and IF you really don't care what people think, then all the "stuff" should not matter. The real challenge here is....(wait for it...this is important)...
Can you be "popular" or liked if you do NOT follow all the conventions of your school or whoever your peers are? Example....if you wore jeans and a T shirt no piercings, no tattoos, no IPHONE, none of that crap.....the REAL challenge is to have people like you whether you use the "tools" or not. What bigger challenge is there than to be popular or "cool" in spite of the fact that you don't adhere to all the trappings of it like ....cool phone, texting, the right clothes, the right car, the right "circle of friends" and the right "look" on your face?
That is the real challenge. So I would guess that if you REALLY do not care what other people think, then you would just be yourself...and have the YOURSELF not involved in trendy stuff, or fashion, but rather based on your character...and your deeds....and the way you treat other people. I've never once in my life met anyone who was "popular" because they wore the right jeans...or had a cool hair style. Those things are just glitter on the surface, and in the long run they won't fool anyone for long.
I was talking to my friend about lucid dreaming in physics today and he said that he often loses lucidity half way through a dream so i told him to try spinning and just reminding himself that he is dreaming. I turned a little bit and the kids behind me asked what I was talking about. I just said lucid dreaming and was about to turn around when they asked what that was. I told them its where you know you are dreaming and I turned around to continue my conversation. I hear them behind me talking about what they would do if they ever realized that they were dreaming one of them said he would either rob a bank or shoot himself to see what would happen. A few seconds after that from behind me and a little to the side I hear "ITS SO AMAZING IT FEELS CRAZY" I just know hes talking about LDing I turn around and said "You actually know what it is?" He said that he is really interested in that kinda stuff and that he has been lucid many times. He told me that he tried flying once and he was able to do it but that it didnt feel very real for him. Later, in the hall, I asked him if he did reality checks and his friend that was walking beside him said "No, I just accept that it is always a dream and if something changes I know it is"
I realized today that there are 4 other people in my school that I know of that knew about LDs before I talked to them about it.
So because I was talking about something "weird" I realized that it is more common than i thought. In fact the friend I was talking to about it at the begining of class has had two LDs in the past 2 weeks and i havent had one in over 4 months now.
I love your post. It is very true and very inspirational. One part in particular :
This especially!! I have noticed how everyone in the halls as a look of a freakin dead cow or somethin on thier faces. Emotionless. I am starting to think it's cool to look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torriatte
By the way, I do wear the right jeans and do some trendy stuff. However, I wait with much excitement for people to see the true me, the quirky one. the reason for excitement is that then i see who are my real friends and who arent- the ones who stick with the weird kid or the ones who leave.
Lol! I think one of the hard parts about sites like this is interacting with people who are way younger. I have lots of old-man moments (I'm 29) where I'm just shaking my head at the "girl problems" or "I'm much deeper than the other people in my school because I LD" sorta stuff. On one hand you want to bonk them on the head, but on the other hand I remember that I used to be that way too.
Anyway, as Old Man Torr :cheeky: said, all of that will go away. The "who is weird," the popularity stuff, the cliques. You'll have a job and a place of your own. You'll pay your own bills and do what you like in your time off without worrying about what anyone else thinks. And if you're lucky, you'll have enough sense not to worry about what other people are doing with *their* time off. All the stuff that seemed really important when you are 17 is irrevelant at 27, and mayhaps you'll get to be the old man on a forum shaking your head. :)
well what is weird really ?
i guess not many people lucid dream, or even care about it,
and i just can't fathom why they are so uninterested ?!
being able to live out your wildest dreams.. i guess i've just always been a dreamer in all aspects of my life
i have a few close friends, a girlfriend, and i do dress a certain way.
my gf doesn't care what i wear, or how i look but that's the reason i do what i do
i just like looking my best for her :)
I think it depends on your definition of weird. If you define weird as: "Dissimilar from the zombie like crowd, not caring what others want you to be like, loving life, Earth, and the Universe with every fabric of your being, and learning to do anything you can imagine in a parallel consciousness while you're asleep."- then I am definitely weird. And proud of it.
Stupidity is mans greates crime and incredibly widespread in people my age (even I do it at times) It makes me so angry thats why I do kinda distance myself from other people. I will talk to someone if they talk to me first but mostly I just keep to my close friends
But i understand why someone made this thread though. I was reading "exploring the world of lucid dreaming" and someone came up to me. They asked what i was reading, i told them, then they said "thats gay". My reaction (in my head of course) "Your f****** gay you f****** b****!!"
Hahahaha no i dont cuss on a regular basis! :)
HAHAHAHAH thats hilariousQuote:
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sounds like something that'd happen in some superbad movie
hahahaha i hate people who piss me off!
I have a lot to say to the above posts, but i won't quote. Velzhaed, I agree. I am one of the younglings, but I agree about what you said. I notice you have been saying this a afew times now and this thread is going around in circles a little bit...
Matrix, that's what I've been saying. The general mass of people is like a branless crowd, all similar, all dressing the same, all listening to the same music, all thinking htey are unique and individual but they are not!! (here I go again, velzhaed) They are the same. Reread my previous posts in this thread and you will find a few examples of this. The point is, (again) that the weird ones are the notable ones and the normal ones don't do anything. I am getting a little angry at this stupidity that I face every day in my school with the cliques and the fashion and etc. It's POINTLESS. I cannot wait to get out of high school. I am not one of those people whose lives are miserable in hs, but I don't like it. I stick to my weird group of weird friends (who knows, maybe we are part of the crowd tooo) and am currently just waiting it out...
dako, my friend, i cannot agree more with you. I HATE IDIOTS. I can rant about this forever, but even thinking about how stupid people can be is getting me angry. I will abstain from taliking aobut them. Not worth it.
Oh, but one more note... "that's gay"- calling reading a book?!? WHAT THE HELL. IDIOTS.:mad::mad::mad::sniper::sniper::sniper::sni per::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:
I have a lot to say to the above posts, but i won't quote. Velzhaed, I agree. I am one of the younglings, but I agree about what you said. I notice you have been saying this a afew times now and this thread is going around in circles a little bit...
Matrix, that's what I've been saying. The general mass of people is like a branless crowd, all similar, all dressing the same, all listening to the same music, all thinking htey are unique and individual but they are not!! (here I go again, velzhaed) They are the same. Reread my previous posts in this thread and you will find a few examples of this. The point is, (again) that the weird ones are the notable ones and the normal ones don't do anything. I am getting a little angry at this stupidity that I face every day in my school with the cliques and the fashion and etc. It's POINTLESS. I cannot wait to get out of high school. I am not one of those people whose lives are miserable in hs, but I don't like it. I stick to my weird group of weird friends (who knows, maybe we are part of the crowd tooo) and am currently just waiting it out...
dako, my friend, i cannot agree more with you. I HATE IDIOTS. I can rant about this forever, but even thinking about how stupid people can be is getting me angry. I will abstain from taliking aobut them. Not worth it.
Oh, but one more note... "that's gay"- calling reading a book?!? WHAT THE HELL. IDIOTS.:mad::mad::mad::sniper::sniper::sniper::sni per::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:
So are we all being idiots and ending up just like eachother because we dont want to be like other people? Conforming to being non-conformist?
I like that ^^
Again, I say we are going around in circles hehe
All you guys, you dont need to have nice clothes, cool friends and all this crap. All you need is IT. The thing that makes a lot of people enjoy being around you. Some are just good at making others feel comfortable. As I said: Dont accept being weird. At least not in HS. You have to fit in, even if you dont want to, otherwise youle just be miserable. I feel like im talking to all the reject people from my school right now. Its not okay to wait it out, unless you enjoy it (which im sure you dont). Im not a popular guy, but I have a regular amount of friends, enough to be comfortable. And im a very decent LDer anyway. You know what I think? I think people that just keep their 3-4 best friends and hang around just with them are lazy. Yeah, lazy. I mean, you should at least know all your class. Stop finding excuses and socialize! Its not true that you cant get into a "gang" right in the middle. Hell, im sure a lot of people would be happy to welcome you in :D
Wake up guys!!
Well thank you for the compliment! Yeah....I can't stand that "emotionless" expression thing that the kids do. It's like the "too cool to care" face. Of course if they really didn't care they wouldn't take the time to put on a face at all, would they? The people who truly don't care, wouldn't even notice if you looked at them or not.
I think everyone cares what other people think, including myself. I just am old enough to know that you are NOT what you wear, or what you stick on your body. You are the sum of your deeds and you are measured not by how many people are impressed with the clothes that your parents paid for. I think the real challenge for young people is to use your personality and your outward actions to make people think you are cool. Everything else is just window dressing, and will only impress those whose opinions are pretty much worthless anyway.
I'm not sure that being "quirky" is the answer either. That's just another uniform isn't it? That's a question not a statement. I know that my stepson used to go out of his way to say dumb "random" things as he called them. All it did was make people think he was "weird" and that's not the same as being "GOOD" or even "COOL". Here's where my age shows....I'm not sure it's even possible for a teenager to be "COOL" by my definition since most (if not all) of them have not experienced enough in life to make them cool yet. Living in your parents house eating their food, and wearing the clothes they buy you is NOT cool by any standards that I know of. This isn't your fault...it's just true. So how cool could a teen possibly be...really? Ok, you can have a cool attitude I guess..and you can be cool in how you treat other people with respect. That's pretty much my definition of "COOL" anyway. Ok...so maybe teens can be cool. I stand corrected.
You are wise beyond your years Ray23!
When I was in HS I felt invisible at school, and it was only outside of HS where I met the girls I dated. I met them at work, and not at school. The girls in my HS were stuck up snobby wealthy kids, who cared more about fashion than about anything I could possibly say or do with them. The funniest thing is that later in life, I connected via Facebook with many of them....and they had not changed at all. Still arrogant, self centered. Some things never change I guess.
I find that Motley and Ray23 have hit the nail right on the head. I feel the exact same way.
I couldn't give a crack what other people think about me, so long as they're not in my face about it! Although I do make an effort to look nice and act friendly to everyone during the day (I have some sense of wanting to look good to other people), I still don't care that much.
I'm way too lazy to read the whole thread, so I just read this last page =P But yeah, as people before have mentioned, it depends on what you mean with "weird". I attend a high school with a varied mass of students, and so far I've yet to meet anyone "normal". The people who seem most normal are the ones who try the hardest to fit in, sort of the 'average' people that try to climb socially. The ones higher up couldn't give less of a damn if people think they're weird as they're the most popular ones in school anyway, the lower down couldn't care less because they accept their social status and the clique they're in.
As for me, I'm sort of average, I guess. I used to be higher up, but all the drama and rivalry between the girls in "Fab Four" and their cronies (I'm not kidding you, they actually call themselves 'Fab Four') was too damn tiring. After just a month in HS and hearing endless shit-talking days on end, I withdrew from their clique. Besides, I've realized they're much nicer to be with and less prone to backstabbing you when they aren't afraid you're going to steal their crown.
But were they 'normal'? Uh, hardly. We're talking about the social queens of the school, people. The only ones who were considered remotely 'normal' were their entourage, who were trying so hard to fit in you could tell they were only putting up a facade. As for me, I'm definitely considered weird. It either annoys people or amuses them, most often the latter than the former. My randomness is notorious among my friends.
As for the whole being-interested-in-LDs aspect of this whole debate, it depends on who you talk to. My school is sort of divided into four different 'programs': science, social science, international students and 'special business program'. (And don't let the last name trick you: it may have the nicest name, but it's the worst program -- the people there are known for being morons who barely passed junior high...)
Science students, regardless of their social status, are quite interested in the whole LD thing, same goes for international students (aka the geeks of the school). I once spent a lunch break debating with a science student who's considered the prince of the school (however much of a sleazy jackass he may be, he's still drop-dead gorgeous and a genius) about the psychological benefits of LD:ing being scientifically proven or not. Social science students have a more "huh, okay" reaction to LD:ing, and the 'special business' students... well, they just go, "LD? Dude, you mean STD." (True story...)
And oh, all my friends and family know all about my dreams :cheeky:
Wow, this turned out to be quite the rant. I guess this is what happens when a chatterbox gets sick, loses their voice and has to stay home for an entire day alone...
All i hear when reading this is. If there is a reason why you dont fit in, than... change it. Thats retarded. If im doing domething that is making people not wanting to be around me than whats wrong with that? If i enjoy it than im happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray23
And i am one of the people that really just hangs out with my 3 to four best friends. Do you want to know why? Its because there MY BEST FRIENDS. I dont want to to hang out with a bunch of people that i think are reatarded. I know everyone in my classes name. And i have tried to "socialise" but frankly people are stupid. All they do is complain, talk about how big there penises are, how "cool" they are, how much pot they smoke, or how "deep" people are.
Shit dako, you are so right there! ( I mean right as in correct, not place). I have also a group of close 3-4 friends, many aquaitances who i talk to, but I only spend time with friends outside of school. And that last sentence is all true man. I agree with all that.
To ray- I disagree with having to know my class. My class espacially is known for being thee way dako described in his last sentence so I have no need or desire to know them better.
Meh..
I only know one person that actually thinks about things that aren't as trivial as: "Hmmm... I wonder what trainers I'm gonna wear tommorow"
So yh, I told him... He was really interested, and so he's trying it out now.. I actually pointed him to this forum..
I hate being around people that force me to reduce my self to a emotionally ignorant idiot.. Just because I realise socialising with people is fundamental if you want to survive the type of Secondary school I go to..
..Why do most people have to be moronic boneheads.. :?
What a great debate! :cheeky:Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Its not about changing yourself. Its about adapting to the situation. You dont need to talk about your penis and smoke weed to fit in HS.
Listen to this: Im almost sure theres another LDer in my school. After all, we are 1000.Will I ever find him/her? No. Because I do not have the nuts to talk about lucid dreaming to anyone yet. If you would ask that very guy to guess who the other dreamer is (assuming he knows me), I can guarantee he would never get it. The same way, by not taking the time to meet others you are keeping yourself away from other human beings who are just as cultivated as you. Everyone is wearing a cover. Most people in HS are very ordinary, which you must not confound with stupidity. But once you talk 1 on 1 and take out the "group" aspect, you can discover a lot about a person. Being an introvert, to me, is a person that is comfortable being alone. Does that mean he likes being alone? No, because thats impossible. Once again, you must not confound things. What an introvert enjoys is not loneliness, but stability. And sometimes, breaking that stability can be a very good thing. There's another guy just like you right now dying to know you :D
i myself have only talked to 2 people about lucid dreaming.Quote:
What a great debate!
Its not about changing yourself. Its about adapting to the situation. You dont need to talk about your penis and smoke weed to fit in HS.
Listen to this: Im almost sure theres another LDer in my school. After all, we are 1000.Will I ever find him/her? No. Because I do not have the nuts to talk about lucid dreaming to anyone yet. If you would ask that very guy to guess who the other dreamer is (assuming he knows me), I can guarantee he would never get it. The same way, by not taking the time to meet others you are keeping yourself away from other human beings who are just as cultivated as you. Everyone is wearing a cover. Most people in HS are very ordinary, which you must not confound with stupidity. But once you talk 1 on 1 and take out the "group" aspect, you can discover a lot about a person. Being an introvert, to me, is a person that is comfortable being alone. Does that mean he likes being alone? No, because thats impossible. Once again, you must not confound things. What an introvert enjoys is not loneliness, but stability. And sometimes, breaking that stability can be a very good thing. There's another guy just like you right now dying to know you.
I agree with most of what you said. BUT. Why should i adapt? Im alot like mot. I have many people who i talk to. But only like 3 that i hang with. An i think thats okay. What i really like about what you said was taking the group aspect away from the individual. I talked a little to this guy. One that i normally wouldnt like. (big pot smoker. And im not talking about that person who smokes pot, im talking about the person going around bragging about it) After a couple weeks of talking to him i learned that his mom was a big drunk and takes all of his earnings to go out and party. Now i look at him like a person that is actually kind of cool. I dont look at people as differient clics. I honestly dont think that we even have cliqs. wannabies of course but not really any hardcore jock prep emo thing.
Call me rude but generally i hate people that are around my age, there all immature. (im not saying that im not immature,) I like adults. Thats who i always try and hang with. The three or four people that i hang with (my age) are people who i actually think are amazing people. I never stop laughing and having fun when im around them. And im not going to hide my "hobbie" just so people think i fit in.
I have first lunch and there are literally like 5 people in my grade that go to first lunch as well. of which only one i actualy hang out with. When there not there i generally freak out. I dont like the thought that im going to sit alone. So i normally sit with aquantices. Which i really dont like doing.
Many times, I admire people like you. Those that can ignore the imminent pressure around us. I honestly dont understand how you do it.
For an instance, I have been having difficulty making friends in my school bus. After a week, I was going FREAKIN CRAZY. Hearing tons of conversations around me and not being a part of them just made me feel so uncomfortable and worthless. Its like noone cares about your presence, and you are forced to hear them ignore you. When I went to eat with my usual gang from last year, I sat with them once. I was suddenly crushed by a huge wave of disgust. I just couldnt sit with them anymore. It was a mixed feeling of guilt and sheer humiliation. I knew I needed a change so I left, and now I sit and hang around with another big group of guys I didnt really know from before. The others went on and did the same. But who did this to me? Why did I suddenly feel like sitting with the same friends was a crime? Judgement from others. Im afraid people will walk by and say: Look at Ray, sitting with his same old friends. Ultimately, the only person actually thinking that was me.
Then again, I am lucky. My school is private, and the presence of stereotypes is virtually inexistent. Girlfriends? Forget it. No one has girlfriends at my school. Its amazing. Its not just me, everyone, boys and girls alike. My best friend, whos at the public school I would be going, says that seeing people making out is common. Were only two years into HS and about two guys I know had very short and pointless relationships with no kisses of course. Thus, the pressure is very low.
Anyway, the hockey game is starting (go les canadiens!)
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This is exactly what i think and how I feel. Except for more than 5 people in my grade also have first lunch. I only sit with 2 people though and one of them I dont really like but the other is a foreign exchange student who I wouldnt call a close friend but I enjoy being around her at school. I wouldnt have even talked to her at first though if she didnt come up to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
I have 3 people who I consider my best friends. Fred and George (that is their real names I swear) and then my girlfriend but she lives in another town.
I guess I am weird I hang out with Fred and George?
Omg waterknight are you from "of mice and men"?
Anyways, back to the point. I agree with dako once again, as always :P
I would like to describe my experience of how I came to not be bothered by my image and pointless cliques and stitting alone at lunch. It all starts a while back perbably in elementary school.. no even before... when I was around 4 and a half. My family and I moved to america from ukraine. Ukraine is known for the fact that we dislike other countries and other people. My parents always commented about how these americans do this and that wrong. This rubbed off on me majorly and I started putting myself above my peers, and thus isolating myself from them. I was hated. I WAS HATED. My life was in a dark place, because I had no real close friends to rely on and not much social contact. one beautiful day in seventh grade, I started noticing this problem and it had gotten to me and started to really hurt. I had been unhappy for years but it started really hurting. I sought advice from my family, internet, school counsellors about how to reverse my situation. It didn't get to me until about ninth grade or freshman year. I started trying to be more respectfl to people and to be a nicer person. It worked for like a week or two but never really took root. Around here, I may add, was where I figured out this whole problem had to do with my confidence too. I was never really confident. Anyways, I read a russian book that really influenced me in that it talked about confidence, healing, etc alternative stuff but that's a whole different story. Anyways, I started acting more confident and acting more outgoing. Then, I met a very important person to me, who taught me about confidence and self opinion. I started following his example of how he told me about it all and voila, now I am more outgoing and talkable to. I have made more friends, good friends as well. And the best part is, I don't care what people think. I can sit alone at lunch no problem. I am alone at the table and no one else. No problem! And an even better part is, when one of my new friends notices me sitting there, they always come and talk to me.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I thought it may be necessary. So, I am like dako in that I can just sit alone and not care. I have shared LD ing with a few friends. It has reached one. The rest thought it was bs. But still, they are my friends because I can talk to them. And not the superfuous talks.
One friend noted that there are three levels of conversation. The low level is talking about people. The middle level is talking about things. The highest level is about ideas. I think he is right. Try to apply those classifications in your everyday lives, guys and you will see it's true. I will admit. Rarely, but it does happen that I stoop to the lowest level. But oftentimes, I stay at the middle or even top level and that is the way it is with all of the people I hang out with. No exception. I think that is a good description of the type of people we are as opposed to our peers.
I also want to say that I am more mature than my peers, as is dako and I too prefer an older crowd. Maybe not adults all the time (sometimes though) but older people. It's more mature conversation.
and by the way, CANADIENS SUCK!! Blackhawks is where it's at. And not just because of the cup, They are my fav team and have been for a few years.
Omg waterknight are you from "of mice and men"?
Anyways, back to the point. I agree with dako once again, as always :P
I would like to describe my experience of how I came to not be bothered by my image and pointless cliques and stitting alone at lunch. It all starts a while back perbably in elementary school.. no even before... when I was around 4 and a half. My family and I moved to america from ukraine. Ukraine is known for the fact that we dislike other countries and other people. My parents always commented about how these americans do this and that wrong. This rubbed off on me majorly and I started putting myself above my peers, and thus isolating myself from them. I was hated. I WAS HATED. My life was in a dark place, because I had no real close friends to rely on and not much social contact. one beautiful day in seventh grade, I started noticing this problem and it had gotten to me and started to really hurt. I had been unhappy for years but it started really hurting. I sought advice from my family, internet, school counsellors about how to reverse my situation. It didn't get to me until about ninth grade or freshman year. I started trying to be more respectfl to people and to be a nicer person. It worked for like a week or two but never really took root. Around here, I may add, was where I figured out this whole problem had to do with my confidence too. I was never really confident. Anyways, I read a russian book that really influenced me in that it talked about confidence, healing, etc alternative stuff but that's a whole different story. Anyways, I started acting more confident and acting more outgoing. Then, I met a very important person to me, who taught me about confidence and self opinion. I started following his example of how he told me about it all and voila, now I am more outgoing and talkable to. I have made more friends, good friends as well. And the best part is, I don't care what people think. I can sit alone at lunch no problem. I am alone at the table and no one else. No problem! And an even better part is, when one of my new friends notices me sitting there, they always come and talk to me.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I thought it may be necessary. So, I am like dako in that I can just sit alone and not care. I have shared LD ing with a few friends. It has reached one. The rest thought it was bs. But still, they are my friends because I can talk to them. And not the superfuous talks.
One friend noted that there are three levels of conversation. The low level is talking about people. The middle level is talking about things. The highest level is about ideas. I think he is right. Try to apply those classifications in your everyday lives, guys and you will see it's true. I will admit. Rarely, but it does happen that I stoop to the lowest level. But oftentimes, I stay at the middle or even top level and that is the way it is with all of the people I hang out with. No exception. I think that is a good description of the type of people we are as opposed to our peers.
I also want to say that I am more mature than my peers, as is dako and I too prefer an older crowd. Maybe not adults all the time (sometimes though) but older people. It's more mature conversation.
and by the way, CANADIENS SUCK!! Blackhawks is where it's at. And not just because of the cup, They are my fav team and have been for a few years.
Not much time before leaving for school and I havnt wrote in my journal yet :P
I agree with Motley (not the Blackhawks though). Confidence is the key, just like in LDs.
Another story:
One of the guys that used to be part of my gang is what you could call lacking of confidence. A lot. He's a person that literally considers himself lower then others. And when you think that, it shows. Like, he would say a funny joke, but no one would laugh in class because of the energy he sends. He told me he was bullied a lot in primary school, and was also bullied by one of my friends. He talked to psychiatrists, doctors, the principal, his mother. Once, he told the gang: You guys are my only friends. We all had a weird face at that point, because for the rest of us it wasnt the case. We went to the amusement park, and he didnt ride the rollercoasters. We kinda left him out, and the next day we had a message on our Facebook saying were not his friends anymore. He talked to me about the Subconscious, and I kinda ingnored it. Now that I LD, I might just ask him where he was going :D
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Originally Posted by Motley
Of mice and men, just read that book about 2 days ago at school!
Isn't it amazing? I read it in eight grade. I thought it would be crap, but it was one of the best books I've ever read. I loved it!
Lol i wouldnt say amazing but it was mediocre haha where do you live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motley
I didnt care much for the book actually. Like others of you I like to spemd time with older people too. Any age going up is cool but going down more than a year gets kinda annoying.
Wow medicore book? I don't think so. One of the great classics of american literature. It moved me.
I make people come to me. I tell everyone how great i am (weather i think so or not) I try to be the funny person that cant stop talking. The cluts. Im completely fake. Only a couple people know me. And honostly its because im affraid of not fitting in. So i dont think i should be the one being admired.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray23
Ohh way t tel the dtruth, dako! I had no idea you were being fake around people. I don't act fake. What you see is what you get, unless I am closer to someone and in that case they just know me better, but I still act the same
Well i wouldnt say everything is fake. But yeah. I think i like it like that though. Having a few good friends amd a lot of people who think im there friend. It makes it easier to stab people in the back (just kidding :))
you....evil....GENIUS
Lol what i posted before doeant sound right. Dont get the wrong impressions of me. Lol im not "fake" i just dont get mad unless im supposed to. I dont laugh unless im supposed to. But my personallity is not fake, make sense?
BTW i think this is going to get locked, its gone a little off topic.
It isnt off topic is it? The question is are we weird? This isnt off topic it is just a deeper level of the topic already stated. Do we present ourselves in a way to make us not weird to the public?
No. I try not to present in any way. I used to do it all the time but then I realized it just doesn't matter tthat much.
I told my parents the very first time I had a lucid dream, they say cool but they think its very weird. I convinced my dad its cool because I remember one day he told me about how awesome it was when he flew in a dream so I was like what if you could do that every night?
I told my best friend about it but he never seemed to have much interest in it then today he comes up to me and tells me that lucid dreaming is fun and that he did the task of the month that I told him about. He wasnt able to get any elevator music to play though and he couldnt see once the doors closed
Do you guys have alot of friends at school
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I have a lot of "acquaitances". I cannot call them friends. ONly my cloosest people are really friends.
Backto the topic, I would like to know what the hell homecoming/prom kings and queens are for?? I mean it's a huge popularity contest and it means completely nothing. These kinds of shallow meaningless people piss me off quite badly lately. I don't understand how you can be so meaningless
yeah I agree its stupid, In that way Im glad Im into collage and not high school, but I still miss it in ways...
Same with school prefect elections. We have a head girl, arts prefect, sports prefect, and other titles for people in grade 12. Massive popularity contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motley
You have a social life? Where did you get that from? I have been to every store I can think of and have not found one anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by erible
idk, now Im confused, lol
I love philosopher's posts. They make me think... but I don't get this one.
yes thats exactly how I feelQuote:
Originally Posted by Motley
We are not, it is only because we have a different interest apart from the waking life...
I was the sort of guy who was, most of the time, found alone in his corner daydreaming. I found it useless to force conversations in most of the cases I've had, it would be either being rejected, or to finally dislike to be with em.
I've let people come to be, and if they found any interest in me (common likings and such) they would try to befriend me, and if not, ignore me.
LOL,Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
Is that humour philosopher, I didn't think it possible.. :P
What kind of grades do you guys get in school?
No lower than A-
I just got kicked out of my community college for a semester for having a low gpa and dropping to many classes:(. But luckely I'm still taking an online class and have an A so far. I need to start buckeling down when it comes to school.
I get A's and B's.
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Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
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Originally Posted by Motley
I think he means that the way he addressed his social life he sounds like its a thing that he got not something he made.Quote:
Originally Posted by moongrass
Also it could just be funny.
Maybe he is telling the other guy to get a life.
HmmMM
ah ha, that makes since, I was just a little confused...
I wasn't going to reply to this thread until I wanted to comment about this. I don't really care what people think of me, and I don't have an opinion on most people. I don't want tatoos or any of what you said. I get B's, so I'm not an over-acheiver or under-acheiver, and I wear gym shorts and a tee shirt most days, so yeah, bad stereotype XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torriatte
And I know the person who posted that won't read this, I just wanted to get it out of my head because the idea would be in there forever.
As for the topic, we are different. We're not weird if you mean weird as in social freaks, but we have different interests than most people. So yes, we are different than most people.
Hello there. I'm respecting you so much right now i think i'm about to explodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Motley
with your views and opinions exactly how they should be and the fact that your name is Motley (it's it's a reference to Crue) and RHCP! RHCPRHCPRHCP! Ever read Anthony Kiedis' autobio?
Best book ever.
Actually he could have been refering to the word motles meaning having a variety of colors or having diverse elements. Could be a reference to whatever that is but whatever.Quote:
your name is Motley (it's it's a reference to Crue) and RHCP! RHCPRHCPRHCP!
Sorry I had to :p
Hah thanks for the compliment, Metallica. I love RHCP and the bio is on my to read list, just no time right now.
And AscendedSleeper is right about my nickname, I didn't mean Crue, though they are not bad.
I usually get B+'s or A's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename
I don't consider myself weird. Lucid dreaming is a good way to get my mind of things, and have experiences that I will probably never have. At school I make pretty good grades and I have a lot of friends. So nothing is going wrong right now.
I have 4 a's and 2 b's. I have a great social life, everyone knows me, but i just kick back with my good friends