Do you like LD'ing being unique? Would you like LD'ing to be just as big like Video Games are? Leave your opinion ;)
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Do you like LD'ing being unique? Would you like LD'ing to be just as big like Video Games are? Leave your opinion ;)
I still want LDing to be known to the whole world, just waiting for it <.<
I think lucid dreaming should remain part of a small minority. Things who get spread, get distorted. the world is full of cases like that.
Yes, but I think more people should know about it.
FOX NEWS AT 10:Pretty much what would happen if LDing went mainstream.Quote:
Do you know what YOUR kids are dreaming about? Expert says Lucid Dreaming may cause more violent behavior than video games!
Agree, but only by the Lucid Dreamer - Newbie mode... Explaining:Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
Someone, someday hears a guy talking about a lucid dream he had, and then, after searching the subject on the net, the next day that dude comes up and ask the lucid dreamer if can explain to him, better, how to become a lucid dreamer....agree?
Thank you for providing some illustration to my post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vertebrate
No, I think movies are good too, but I agree that when it's on the news and whatnot people get the wrong impression sometimes. But there should be more stuff about LDing, like on discovery channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surukien
On DC? For spreading information, or to reach borader audiences?Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
A little of both, I think.
I can envision a day where we merge videogames and LD together. LDeogames. Multiplayer, too. Machines would provide physics and a stable environment.
Mostly for spreading info, but for reaching more people to. I think that only people inclined toward dreaming would watch it anyway.
A little of both I would like my friends to know about lucid dreaming because then it would be something we could talk about. When I usually talk about lucid dreaming people just think it's weird.
Yes and no. I would like more people to know about it, but at the same time that would probably corrupt it a little. There would be so many "more" scams with supplements and lessons. Plus people would just get annoying with it. I remember when Inception came out. I told someone about lucid dreaming after they saw it, I told them that it's possible to do whatever they want in their dreams. Next thing I know they bring a totem to school and think they're going to master it in one night. I told them it takes a bit more work than spinning a top ever couple hours. They completely lost interest and as far as I know haven't given LDing a thought since. I think that's where the general public is with lucid dreaming, most people would want to but couldn't be bothered. So it probably could never truly be mainstream.
Speaking of scams...anyone remembers the "stop drop and roll" bulls**t? What´s the name of the guy who was spreading misinformation? I cant remember it.... I saw his video once on youtube, and i laugh my a** of whe he said "you will have LOTS and LOTS of OBE´s each night"Quote:
Originally Posted by kevojy
I immediatly imagine myself trying to get to the fridge for a glass of milk in the middle of the night, and keep falling on the floor due to the "LOTS and LOTS of OBE´s"
:doh: :boogie:
That only works if you stop and drop on your head and then roll.
Yeah, when i tell my friends about it they don't really care. They are really going to miss something awesome ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by iFatal
no no no, you´re missing something, you have to drop on your head from a 12 story building... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawracookie
That's it! Silly me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surukien
When I say I am a lucid dreamer, people are looking at me in a strange way...:shock:
Like wtf dreaming is for dude! Don't even bother keep track of them!?!
I'd like more people to know about lucid dreaming.
I like lucid dreaming being a rather unknown topic, it allows us to go on without the usual idiots that pop up in anything that's popular. once an internet thing is popular, it's only a matter of time until the creeps,sluts,idiots, and general butt holes flood in.
I 'want' different things on different levels. Some selfish part of me wants it to be abnormal so that I can feel special (unique is the wrong word, because unique technically means 'only one of'). On another, I care about the well-being of other people and would like others to know about lucid dreaming.
I don't think the world mentality is ready for vast lucid dreaming. The "population at large" might slander those who LD as pretenders and weaklings who don't face reality.
I don't have a problem with LD becoming wide spread. Worst case scenario, people brand LDing as another form of drug or addiction... and it's really not something anyone can stop you from doing anyway. Best case scenario, it becomes popular, the LD community grows and more LD techniques and advancements are made.
This is also a good point. I'd hate to see this place turn into the next Gaia or 4chan.Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick45
*shudder* I sincerely hope that never happens. It would be like that brief time that we got the flood of new people because of inception. It was question after question about totems, shared dreaming etc. But I don't think it'll ever happen. I've been visiting this site for years and it seems to more or less stay the same. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabraham
Haha, at the very least, staying secretive gives us something to gloat about. Like we're in a member's only club :P.
Well I told a few people today about my most recent lucid dream (which will be posted on my dj here later today) in which I told a DC that I was dreaming and they only existed because of me. One person that I told said that it was cool and unique that I was able to be consciously aware that I was dreaming and she asked me if I had seen inception. Another person said that it reminded her of tron with me being aware of the fact that I am in a world of my own creation and that everyone in that world is made by me.
So I guess to the masses LDing would appear as something like Tron or Inception. Both wonderful movies with good LD concepts.
More like a work your ass off club. The population at large is lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabraham
Majority of people (at least in the US, especially in the south*) are either too stupid, ignorant or close-minded to be open to LDing. Which is fine with me, I don't want Bill O'Reily worrying what I'm doing in my head. But I do wish that there were more people I could talk to about the phenomenon. That's why I'm glad I found you guys! :-P
*I grew up in the south, so I know first hand that most people there fall in these categories...mostly the stupid
Intelligence and Lucid Dreaming have no relation to each other.
But you need an open mind to lucid dream at first. :roll:
I don't think its as much about how capable an idiot is about LDing as much as it is about how much an idiot could poison the community. Or rather, a cluster of them. I think we'd all prefer a community devoid of those kinds of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Nick newport or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surukien
Yes WaterKnight a below intelligence person should be able to LD as well as anyone...HOWEVER, someone who is generally stupid and close-minded is probably not going going to be open to learning it...
I strongly agree with this. After I started having LD's it was an extraordinary feat and I didn't know who to talk to about it. The one close friend I told found it very appealing, but expects it to happen for him so easily. I've studied LDing casually off and on for a few years before I finally had my first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drandrewsarchus
I hope it never goes main stream personally, and feel like it should be something that is earned through patience.
I've only got one friend who doesn't think it's really weird that I devote time to practicing Lucid Dreaming and we have a quite a similar mindset. I'm pretty sure if we did a personality test for every person on here and compared it with the general population we'd see a few differences.
But that's why I like the way it is, everybody on this forum is here for a common purpose and I rarely encounter any conflict. If it started to attract more people then a whole load of arseholes and idiots would come flooding in.
I told a friend about it, but they've said nothing about it since. Makes me mad 'cause I'm like "I just told you about something that can change your life and you FUCKING IGNORE IT?!?"
Nah, I wouldn't want it to become well known. I mean, as for new methods and stuff yeah, but I think that at the moment we're pretty well off. I would hate to go to school and everyone be like "OMG like that lucid dreaming thingy blah blah blah".
And yeah, I'm being selfish in the fact it makes me feel special :P
Well I consider myself pretty smart but when I first told the smartest person I know about lucid dreaming he said it was impossible. The most recent time he said that it may be possible but hes never experienced it. Then Ive seen complete idiots who are proficient lucid dreamers. But they are also naturals. An idiot whos not a natural probably wouldnt work to have a LD.
But yeah out of the 2500 students in my school I have confirmed that at least 6, including myself, are lucid dreamers. I havent done any surveyes to know for sure how many but just talking with people Ive found out about them.
btw...since im a noob will someone explain "stop, drop and roll"? lol
It's a way to stop yourself from being on fire. It is also a scam from lucidology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drandrewsarchus
Most of my views have already been said. As Cracked once wrote, about 95% of the population would use it as a 3D Jessica Alba sex generator. Fact is, it's just too hard to get into for most people.
Which is great, although sometimes frustrating as I'm sure many of you know.
lucid dreaming will be unique whether a small group of people can do it or everyone can do it. Everyone will have their own unique dreams and goals to achieve in their dreams so i don't think it would matter how many people could do it.
Not at all. When I bring this up with people, some say they don't dream and some usually talk about a LD they had without knowing it was a real studied thing. I turned a kid onto just dreaming because I was talking about how I remembered 6 dreams one night. I told him to write his dreams down and the next day he said he remembered one which made me happy. He later got to remember 3-5 a night but than stopped because it's a tedious job if you're not shooting to LD. I also did a speech on it in public speaking class and I know some think I'm a whack job but my teacher told me about how she had a crazy dream when she was pregnant and a old friend said he had one when he was young.
Long time lurker, first time poster here.
I know that a lot of people that I speak to LD'ing about look at me like I'm crazy. I really don't mind it that much, though. I don't think that LD'ing will ever truly become completely mainstream. If ever there was a time that that could have happened, it would have been this last summer with the release of Inception. I think that the movie may have (slightly) raised awareness about the topic, and it has definitely made it easier to explain LD'ing to those who are not familiar with it. But again, I think that the LD community will always remain fairly small.
saying that dreaming would go into the mainstream with inception is to me like saying gaming would go into the mainstream with the sega genesis. It was an amazing console but only the people who already played games were really interested in it. The Wii however has brought gaming into the mainstream (at the expense of many gamers) So I think it is only a matter of time until lucid dreaming goes mainstream. And im sure it will hurt us just like the gaming industry has hurt a lot of us gamers.
I dont want that to happen but I do want there to be more lucid dreamers and for the topic to become more acceptable. Talking about lucid dreaming is like talking about religion in northern states. Its not really wrong its just not done much.
I think lucid dreaming could become about as popular and well known as meditation, but that's about it. I can't see it having a negative effect on the already existing LDing community, actually it would be nice to have more people to talk to about it. Maybe then I could get one of my buddies to try and dream share with me :)
With everything it would have its pros and its cons. The most likely thing I think would happen is it would turn into a short lived fad. "Your just not cool unless you do it." Then "oh that ya that was fun months ago."
Everyone would come up with new and more involved schemes, and ability to find quality information would go WAY down. "Ya just by this book and sleep mask, and secret plant extract and you can incept 4 layers deep!!"
Of course there would also be people sensationalizing things. Like what was said, "Can your dreams turn you into a killer?"
On the other hand as popularity spreads I would hope at least some people would have a respect for it and properly utilize lucid dreaming. This would give the chance for new innovations. New applications for lucid dreaming, increase its use in legitimate psychological situations (curing phobias, etc.).
An increase on popularity could also lead to advances in the ability to produce them and remember dreams. It may be a little difficult to sort out real advances from scams but it could create value to the community.
Woah, man. Gaming was way past mainstream by the time the Wii came along. Everybody knew about it in the '80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Whereas with LD, nobody knows until you explain it to them. You say Pac-Man and everybody knows what's up. Even back in the day.
But it wasnt something that you hear people talking about every day. Since well both the xbox 360 and the wii you cant deny that a HUGE swell of new "gamers" came in. And people that never played games at all before suddenly started going around talking about nothing but games and saying things like "you arent a gamer unless you play _____" Ill admit mainstream was wrong word but it got pushed into over popular. What Im saying is that Inception was a good boost to get lucid dreaming known (I didnt join the forum before Inception came out so I dont know what things were like here but I was a lucid dreamer before inception), eventually there will be something else to come along that will make lucid dreaming and dreaming in general something that will be talked about all over the world on a large scale. It will just take a drug or something to instantly induce a lucid dream but im sure it will happen one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawracookie
I've tryed to tell other people about lucid dreaming, but they really just ignore it. It seems most people aren't interested in lucid dreaming. Go figure. Altough I've managed to get my brother and a friend of mine into lucid dreaming. My brother also got some of his friends into LDing too. I would like more people to share my lucid draeming stories with, but as some people have said in this topic, I fear that if it became too popular people would begin to distort it.
Interesting topic indeed. I would never withhold information about lucid dreaming to anyone who wanted to listen, but it seems most people just don't understand what its like and the possibilities. I certainly don't see it becoming mainstream any time soon, but I wouldn't be against it. If people distort it, so be it. It doesn't bother me...I shall continue to lucid dream no matter how many anti-lucidity groups/protesters formed. Its not like they can ban dreaming :P. I really just wish I could get one of my friends to get into it as well, but they either don't believe me or they are just too lazy to really try, lol.
I do love how people call us crazy for lucid dreaming and then we call people crazy for not having an interest in it.
I think it would be beneficial for us all if LDing was more well known... perhaps more research, experiments would be done and more knowledge of it gained... people would be more open to share their experiences and in turn, if more people talked about it on a regular basis, it would help those who struggle with having LDs to have them on a more regular basis if they could be exposed and engaged in discussion of LDing daily.
But there will always be nonners and naysayers... I used to work with a very intelligent and educated physician's assistant who once said "Dreams are stupid, they're just silly, they don't make any sense and don't mean anything!".... this proved a point to me that some people allow their religions to hinder the possibility of open mindedness, has nothing to do with intelligence..... lmao, or it was just a mormon thing :cackle: (no offense)
...so that's my two cents
I want it to stay like it is right now. For example, gamers used to be only a small group of people, and were considered "Nerds" now everybody plays video games (I'm looking at you call of duty). I hate it when people at school are like "Are you going to buy that new game [insert game name here]" "Naaaw bro, I havn't heard anybody talking about it so it must not be good..." "so what prestige are you at in Em Doubleyou Too? (MW2)" No offense to people who play call of duty, but that is a literal conversation I heard in class once.
One time a guy asked me if lucid dreaming was "some kind of vegetarian shit?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
"Yes it is. And masturbation causes blindness" - you should have replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
I like that it is unique in that there's no chance for negativity to be associated with it (at least as much). Some may feel threatened with a virtual world that allows you to do literally anything you want.
At the same time, information is not bad. People learning about who they are, what they're capable of experiencing and seeing the world in a totally new way could have a ton of different benefits! It could allow people to be more open with each other when they experience something deep and moving.
It's tough to say what would happen in society if anything if everyone could lucid dream. But for myself, I love the uniqueness. Still, it'd be fun to see where it can go from here. :)
LDing is awesome and I try not to keep it a secret or anything, but I doubt it will be as popular as video games or anything like that because it takes a lot of motivation and most people are not willing to try that hard for something they may or may not believe. Most of my friends that say that they have had lucid dreams before and say that their not that interesting isn't trying to have one. If you keep a dream journal, write in it every morning, and do reality checks daily, you can have great lucid dreaming adventures. It took me almost a month and a half to have my first real lucid and I'm glad I stuck with it. But most people don't take it seriously.
Yeah, it doesn't really matter whether we're open about it or not, I think most people just couldn't handle working towards it every single night. I know its been tough on me, I've trieding milding, wilding, and dilding, using reality checks during the day and attempting every night to induce a lucid dream, as well as recording my dreams with a voice recorder (although I admit sometimes I forget or don't do it in time). My dream recall seems to have improved only slightly and the only lucid I actually had was because I listened to a hypnotic mild-like track on youtube throughout the night and dilded, probably because I was so excited about it. That lucid lasted about 5 seconds, then I woke up. I've been trying for weeks ever since and no luck, not a single lucid.
It's tough, but I'm remaining as vigilant as possible to achieve a state where I can LD once a month at least, and I doubt ill stop there. I don't think most people would be willing to fail so many times to get there like I have, for something they probably know little about.
Most of my friends know about lucid dreaming and have had at least one themselves since I have started talking to them about lucid dreams. I let a friend today read my most recent lucid dream and after reading it she told me that when I die she wants all of my dream journals.
Around my school I have met quite a few lucid dreamers. Im the only dreamviews member that I know of here but still many people are lucid dreamers.
I voted yes. I wouldn't want everybody doing it as there would be certain people attempting to capitalize on the situation - for example, you'd have hundreds of crappy books coming out promising 'instant lucids' or something. People would buy into them but the only people that would be better off would be the authors, seeing as they get to make a quick buck.
I think it's something that takes effort and only those who put that effort in deserve to enjoy it. :)
I kind of like that it's rare but still... If more people would be interested in it, maybe they would try to create some kind of machine or something that would give you LD's all the time. So, mixed feelings.
However cool it may be to have research put into lucid dreams, it is one rare thing nowadays that is passed almost only by word of mouth. One of my friends told me he knows how to do it, but he didn't look into it much, so I did, and I told him about different techniques etc...it was a win-win.
It's sort of cool to have something that someone tells you that is so impossibly mystical, but true if you can get it to happen.